Is reencoding a recording of a game game related enough? - 2010-11-06 (page 1 of 3)

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Q: What is the simplest way to re-encode Fraps recordings to something more sensible?

I took a quick FRAPS recording showing this clever answer at work. The output was a 54 seconds long 424×240 video for a mere 138 MBs, or 45 minutes of upload on my link. Now, as long as the video takes a reasonable amount of time to upload, I'm fine with just getting the process done in backgro...

windows recording

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5:29 PM

But isn't yours too?

Not really -- I'm asking about FRAPS.

No, you're asking about video, encoded in the fraps codec.

In that case, every question regarding videos in Bink video would go to game-dev

So? The expertise I seek is a gamers'.

No, it's an encoder's.

Unless you want someone to frag your videofile.

somebody who encodes his game recordings.

5:35 PM

No, someone who transcodes his videos.

That they're game recordings is irrelevant.

My use case is relevant.

A FRAPS video made of my user desktop is the very same format as one made of a game.

I think both issues should be solved on the same site, since they're the same issue.

Except the former would never be on-topic on gaming, while both of them are on-topic at Super User.

Which is why SuperUser shuns anything even remotely gaming related?

That would be stupid. It's a video made in FRAPS, not a 'game' video.

A question "how do I get FRAPS to record this game" would be off-topic at Super User. The question "How do I transcode this video FRAPS made" would not be.

Okay, so it may belong on SU

So, hmm, let's see

Gaming - Stack Exchange is for passionate videogamers from all platforms, including consoles and computers. If your question generally covers …

* PC video gaming

oh lookie! It covers gaming.

5:39 PM

It doesn't.

It pertains to video codecs, not to gaming.

In the context of gaming.

Your question cannot be answered by an expert on gaming only.

Gamers make video of their playing all the time.

It has nothing to do with gaming, other than what is displayed.

So I suppose a question on how to transcode a chef program would fit on Cooking.SE then?

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Q: Encoding Uncompressed video

I'd like to encode uncompressed video into compressed avi or mpeg4. Was wondering what program I should look at getting to do such a task. Videos are between 3 and 20 minutes long, and range anywhere from 1.3 to 10 GBs in uncompressed .avi form (fraps).

video convert encoding mpeg4

Your question is even answered on Super User.

FRAPS isn't uncompressed.

5:41 PM

Yeah it is.

The question is actually about Fraps.

No it is not. Fraps compresses more than 50%

> Videos are between 3 and 20 minutes long, and range anywhere from 1.3 to 10 GBs in uncompressed .avi form (fraps).

Then he's talking shit, FRAPS compresses.

Again, our topic isn't defined by what other sites cover.

No, I'm just illustrating my point. A video is a video, regardless of what its contents are

You were the one who said: "Which is why SuperUser shuns anything even remotely gaming related?"

Contents make some encoding technique more relevant than others.

5:44 PM

The question should be judged as "How do I transcode this video?" as such it's off-topic.

Deinterlacement? Useless.

But a general question would cover it.

I said "judged", not "asked".

The answer I linked pertains to Fraps output, as such, it answers your question.

> @badp - Actually, the fact that it happens to be able to record games is the side effect, as such, it belongs on SuperUser.

A keyboard happens to be very useful in Gaming. Would I ask a question here if mine was acting up?

@ArdaXi If I had problem that only exhibits during gaming -- hell yes.

No, a general problem.

Which gamers happen to have very frequently.

5:52 PM

Fraps does not pertain only to Gaming.

This is the line of reasoning that brought to Programmers.SE

And anyway

FRAPS by design pertains to Gaming.

Regardless of whether or not it fits, it's a duplicate.

Really, there are step by step guides elsewhere on the site?

5:53 PM

@badp It doesn't pertain, not even by design, only to Gaming.

Not just useless lists of applications I may try?

@badp You weren't asking for a step by step guide.

Right, you were, sorry.

@ArdaXi I specified it.

I was going by your original question, which is what I voted on.

I asked Bora for a step by step guide btw -- before you closed.

5:54 PM

It's still just a video in the FPS1 codec, and SuperUser people are better at it.

Hardly. SuperUser isn't a SU about video processing.

SU can give me the useless list of apps.

Gamers in general know less about technical details such as transcoding video.

@badp Erm, hello? This site did too.

If you ask for a step-by-step guide you'd get one there same as here.

People who spend their whole days tinkering with Windows don't have these problems as much as we Gamers do.

By the way, FYI, DirectX and OpenGL are hardly gaming-specific.

If anything we should have more topic expertise than just "anything with a question mark that happens to pertain computers and is not about programming or networks or games"

5:56 PM

@badp Actually, they do.

And use other tools for that, because as I said Fraps only really does gaming.

I am one of those people, and I transcode non-gaming related videos frequently.

The process is the same for any video really, so long as the app uses the installed codecs.

Compositing is really only a side effect.

@badp It covering any kind of app that renders stuff isn't.

But again, I wasn't arguing in terms of the author's intentions.

I was saying that pertaining to this particular issue, it covering Gaming is a side-effect.

The main issue, ie. video transcoding, is irrelevant to Gaming.

<general-thought>It really is funny how people spend more time discussing whether or not they should solve a problem, rather than solving the problem.</general-thought>

6:00 PM

I've given you your answer in the form of the question of which it is a duplicate.

Let me state it in no uncertain terms: the answers there fucking suck.

The answers here are of the same form

Your question is really nothing other than "How do I transcode video?".

What can I do about it? Close the question as many times as it takes to get a decent answers?

I'm asking people to improve their answers.

That's all I can do.

I don't want to have to spend bounties all over the darn place.

Yes. That's all you can do. It's all you can do on Super User too.

You're making it sound like on Super User people cannot give quality answers.

@ArdaXi <sarcasm>uh, what makes you think so?</sarcasm>

The asker was fine with that link as an answer.

6:03 PM

So ask another question, this time for step-by-step guides.

You seem to have no problem with your question being a duplicate.

Different answers, different question.

People seem to forget that the close reason is "exact duplicate", not just "duplicate."

2 mins ago, by Arda Xi

So ask another question, this time for step-by-step guides.

I've edited it.

No need to ask another.

On SuperUser...

I could ask it on SuperUser, but my question specifically pertains Gaming.

6:07 PM

This was in response to you saying that the asker on SuperUser wanted something else, remember?

No. It does not.

Yeah, SuperUser is fine with list questions

If you ask for one.

Your question, "How do I transcode videos?", is not Gaming specific.

Which is why I'm not asking "How do I transcode videos?"

You are.

You just don't realise it.

By your reasoning, this question also is off topic.

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The formula for calculating damage reduction from armor in League of Legends is Damage Reduction = Total Armor / (100 + Total Armor) It seems clear to me that this formula dictates that adding more armor has diminishing returns. For example, let's say my champion has 50 armor, which gives dam...

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6:09 PM

Well, no.

It's asking for a property of a mathematical formula.

Maths.

The fact that the formula happens to be used by a game is irrelevant, right?

It's asking about the way it pertains to a game.

You're not asking "How do I transcode this video so I can view it in this game?"

He's not asking "How do I understand this formulas so I can view it in this game?"

After you have made the video, the post-procession (which you are asking about) has nothing to do with gaming.

@badp No, he isn't. But it still pertains to the game itself. The answer applies to the game.

Oh, so you want me to put it on WebApps because I'm uploading to YouTube?

6:10 PM

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Please stop the reductio ad absurdum.

At least let me explain.

I just think it's an issue that a lot of gamers have.

Then it deserves to be asked here.

As is the keyboard problem I mentioned before. As is installing Windows.

As is a broken CPU.

What keyboard problem?

Your keyboard breaking down in general.

Also a problem a lot of gamers can get.

The moment you have made the video

The fact that it was made of a game has no influence on how you transcode it.

The question "How do I record video in <game>" is on-topic.

What to do with the output isn't. (Although, it could be in the answer)

You're telling me that I can take the exact same procedure, the exact same codecs and exact same settings and take the videos of Minecraft, a wedding and a tv recording and get great results all over the board.

6:13 PM

No. But you could take the videos of Notepad, Minecraft and Mathematica all the same.

as a side effect of compositing, again.

Nope.

Without compositing, FRAPS only works on Minecraft.

Mathematica uses OpenGL.

On all of its windows? Its main window anyway?

6:14 PM

Aye. The Windows GUI anyway.

Even if it only showed the graphs, that's irrelevant. It's still not a game.

And how is Mathematica relevant?

It isn't.

It was just an example.

A barely working example.

Transcoding a video isn't.

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48 secs ago, by Arda Xi

Even if it only showed the graphs, that's irrelevant. It's still not a game.

bbl one min

6:16 PM

If someone has the same question about recording their desktop, they could not ask the question on Gaming.

But this question can be asked on Super User.

Desktop recording and game recording are far different.

A proper desktop recording video needs to be pixel perfect

Game recordings have much less problem with that.

A desktop recorder would never offer to record at half size.

A game recorder would never offer to zoom in on a portion of the screen.

For reasonable values of "never"

6:32 PM

I said, the same question.

So, "How do I transcode this video I just made with Fraps" but the contents are different.

Different answers, different question.

It would have the exact same answers, because it's the exact same question.

And thus wouldn't be an exact duplicate.

Anyway, since apparently I can't explain to you that a video transcoder doesn't actually care about the contents of the video, I can't make this any clearer.

Bye.

Same software + Different settings = Different answers = Different questions.

and Different merits to vote on

On a general question, Handbrake wouldn't sit at -1

6:38 PM

Ugh. You just don't understand. Same software, same settings, same answers, same questions.

Same settings?

Like, um, interlacing?

That's irrelevant to transcoding.

That's really only relevant if you have an interlaced source, which even normally is an exceptional case.

Like the "cooking TV program recording" one you mentioned.

Yes, but it's still irrelevant to the question "How do I transcode this video"

Transcoding in general doesn't de-interlace.

If you tell a transcoder to, it does.

6:42 PM

Nope.

You can't tell "transcoding" what to do.

It's just a verb, after all.

Software that transcodes might happen to de-interlace, but that's not transcoding.

Also, please stop editing your questions after I answered them.

It so happen my question pertains software, not the theory of transcoding.

So?

You're acting like your examples are relevant. I'm countering your examples.

De-interlacing is just something software happens to do.

I'm asking about that software, in the context of gaming.

No, you're not. You just think you are.

Different context, different issues, different settings to give a transcod-er.

6:44 PM

No.

Not different settings to give.

That way you'll have hundreds of questions

one per use-case

I've already made an example where a different use case requires different settings

"How do I convert this video I made on my Sony camera"

Recording general desktop software vs Recording games.

"How do I convert this video I made on my Panasonic camera"

They're all the same question.

These cameras output the same format by the way.

The context of those questions is unspecified.

6:46 PM

No, they're not

The answers will be generic.

"**sony** camera, panasonic camera"

That's the same context as Gaming video and desktop video.

They could be recordings of weddings or recordings of video games from a tv or recordings of formula 1 cars

Which is irrelevant for the answer.

It's irrelevant to the answer if you don't care about quality.

6:47 PM

That's a whole different question.

"What quality settings does <video> require"

Quality happens to be a setting to pass to an encoder when transcoding.

I sure hope you don't expect an answer with the settings you need

because that's subjective as hell.

@badp As is the export filename

...

Are you going to want an answer to "what should I name my video file" too?

We were talking about quality settings.

6:49 PM

No, you were.

I never discussed quality settings, nor do I think they are relevant.

They are relevant to the user, yes.

Not to the question.

Elaborate.

The user decides what kind of quality they want.

The user happens to be me, then.

I might want a recording of a game downsampled to 480p to share with friends

@badp Oh, so I should answer "What kind of quality does @badp want for his videos?"

That's ridiculous.

The fact that it's a gaming question does not affect the quality you want, to get back on-topic abit.

You're the one having ridiculous ideas, like asking "How to name things" or "What settings does tzenes need" as part of your attempt of bringing my point to an absurd

6:51 PM

I'm just extrapolating your arguments.

You said that the fact that it's a game question affects the quality settings you need. I disagree.

@badp You're not the one to complain about reductio ad absurdum.

Disagreeing is an answer.

Disagreeing is not a close reason.

No.

I disagree with your argument for keeping it open.

Alright, wrong word choice.

You said that the fact that it's a game question affects the quality settings you need. You're wrong.

That's an answer, not a close reason.

The close reason is that it's off-topic.

The reason it's off-topic is because it doesn't pertain specifically to gaming.

We have just agreed that people can disagree on whether or not transcoding settings are relevant when the content is gaming.

6:54 PM

No.

We just agreed that people can disagree on transcoding settings.

Which is why they are not relevant.

So you agree with me that transcoding settings are relevant when the content is gaming.

No.

Then you disagree.

I agree that people can disagree on transcoding settings.

Regardless of context.

So you neither agree or disagree that content may affect transcoding settings?

Why are there settings to begin with, then.

6:56 PM

I disagree.

Content does not affect transcoding settings.

User preference does.

Good, we have an answer. "Use any transcoder with the stock settings you dumbass"

No.

You're twisting my words now

You're arguing that content affects transcoding settings. So if it's gaming, you use this setting.

That's the only way the answer can be different on Gaming.

Twisting my words was your main way to bring my arguments to absurdum, so I guess we're fair.

Sometimes, I may want to downsample a video to 480p to show it to friends. Sometimes I may want to store a 1080p video.

That's no different for a desktop recording or a game.

Or a wedding.

Resolution is then the only setting an encoder has?

I wouldn't have asked to begin with if it was.

7:01 PM

No, but it's one of the settings.

One of the settings you say is affected by the fact that it's gaming.

Well, obviously. If you're attempting to demo how to, say, use a VS Plugin, downscaling to 480p will give an horrible result.

The fact that the question is about Gaming does not change this fact.

Hence, the question is not Gaming-specific.

That problem would need to be covered on a generic question about desktop recording

Except, you know, this isn't generic desktop recording, this is gaming recording.

Why?

Because it's what I'm asking.

7:04 PM

It's not a problem in the question "How do I transcode this game video"

Yes. Different answer. Different question.

It's a problem in the question "How do I transcode this game video to this quality"

But that's not what you're asking

The answer would be "it varies"

The answer would be "it varies" on both a desktop and a gaming recording

Same answer, same question.

So I'm never going to get an answer to these questions is what you say.

I can only ever get "it varies".

Where would you get that idea?

To the question "What quality do I want" yes.

Except that's not what I'm asking.

7:08 PM

You're not asking about quality, so the answer needn't contain it.

So your whole point about quality is irrelevant.

I'm also asking about quality.

No, you're not.

In so far its choice can reasonably determined by the context of a gaming video to be uploaded to youtube or similar.

Yay, another close reason! Subjective & argumentative.

Anyway, I don't really care for this argument. It's taking up too much time, I'm never going to convince you and it won't change anything until someone else shows up.

Anyway, in three hours there's just one close vote.

7:10 PM

Because there's nobody else around, apparently

At any rate I proved my point. It's often faster to just not care and throw the darn thing straight to youtube.

What, the Fraps output?

Yes.

No it isn't. You waste quite a lot of time for a video that YouTube won't play.

YouTube does support the FRAPS codec.

7:16 PM

Unless YouTube added FPS1 support recently, which I.. what, reallY?

Yes.

The video information area says "Codec: FRAPS"

Not any long video though

Well, for videos larger than 2 GBs there's the Java uploader.

It even supports pausing.

Later.

7:46 PM

@ArdaXi I updated the transcript without breaking the link, feel free to remove your comment.

Nah, thanks. I don't like editing what I said and potentially breaking responses.

@ArdaXi There are no responses. In the meantime you get to pass me off as a liar.

It was a snide remark towards you..

You do it all the time, I get annoyed.

Editing is there for a reason. If I find out I didn't write what I wanted to write, I edit.

I see no problem with it.

What's more important, what I mean or how I write it?

The coherence of the conversation.

You say something, I respond, you edit what you said to something completely different.

7:49 PM

If you're going to go on a tangent on a word misuse, I'm going to go back and edit it and kill the discussion where it started.

Feel free to remove the related comments afterwards.

You didn't edit a word. You edited the entire thing.

Link, please.

Everything has a history

Nope.

The comments above chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/130104#130104

His comments are gone in that link you just posted.

Not sure if that ruins your point or not

7:51 PM

@StrixVaria I know, I'm still linking to removed messages. HAX!

But I think it does.

@badp You're not, actually.

Did I point out when or where that happened? Yes.

Huh?

If I understand you correctly, no.

See you tomorrow, Arda.

Enough time has been wasted today.

7:53 PM

At least we agreed on one thing.

Why do I always let myself get dragged into these silly debates.

Honestly I can't even begin to comprehend badp's argument for allowing this question. It clearly doesn't belong on this site.
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/10346/what-is-the-simplest-way-to-re-encode-fraps-recordings-to-something-more-sensible

I knew there were people who agreed with me.

:)

I'm not even sure how someone couldn't agree with you. It has nothing to do with gaming.

They called me crazy, but I showed them! Oh, yes I did!

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