Strupremum

Deusovi

20:00

once again, beaten to it

Post Left Garf Hunter

yeah needs to be 9 letters

Deusovi

(whoops, forgot how regexes work)

ugh I feel awful for doing this but

caracaras (9)

ManyPinkHats

:P

Post Left Garf Hunter

Oh shit that actually works.

ManyPinkHats

That was the word I had if people wanted me to confirm it was possible

GentlePurpleRain

20:03

interpretaters (14)

not sure if that's a real word

Post Left Garf Hunter

I don't think it is

0 '

hmmmm...

Deusovi

that seems fishy

but I might be biased here

Post Left Garf Hunter

interpreters works though right?

ManyPinkHats

yup

GentlePurpleRain

20:04

right.

I was looking at retater for the palindrome

Cows quack

although that does yield search results

Deusovi

as does interpretations (15)

GentlePurpleRain

reinterpretations (17)

Deusovi

(and so was I, GPR - got confused at first)

Post Left Garf Hunter

misinterpretations (18)

GentlePurpleRain

20:07

nice

I think time is up

Post Left Garf Hunter

yeah

GentlePurpleRain

The walking dictionary arrives! Welcome, @GarethMcCaughan!

Deusovi

gonna throw that in qat to see if anything better pops up

ManyPinkHats

Alright, congrats Post Left

I just threw it in my wordlist too

GentlePurpleRain

I just looked. Nothing better.

ManyPinkHats

20:09

FLOCCINAUCINIH(ILIPILI)FICATIONS

GentlePurpleRain

EXPLOITATION, MONOTONOUS, POSSESSOR...

Cows quack

counterinterpretations

GentlePurpleRain

Apparently my word list is severely lacking...

ManyPinkHats

lots of things showed up with -SENSITIVITIES, like HYPER- and PHOTO-

Post Left Garf Hunter

Rule: ^[aeiou]*([^aeiou])(\1|[aeiou])*$

only one type of consonant

ManyPinkHats

20:11

assesses (8)

ASCII-only

@ManyPinkHats wait this has a subpalindrome

O_o

ManyPinkHats

only of size 5 though

oh, wait no 6

GentlePurpleRain

non-union (8)

ManyPinkHats

but the six is at the end

Deusovi

are hyphens allowed? thought they weren't

Post Left Garf Hunter

20:14

i don't know, but if they are counted as part of the word it doen't match the regext

GentlePurpleRain

It's not clear to me if they are ignored, or have to match the regex.

Post Left Garf Hunter

yeah I don't think there is a rule yet

GentlePurpleRain

I would be inclined to say that all punctuation should be stripped before the word is evaluated.

Deusovi

(some interesting phrases from Qat on the previous round: JUVEN[ILE DELI]NQUENT, VOTE O[F NO CONF]IDENCE, and D[IRTY TRI]CKS)

if so, then: tete-a-tete (9)

GentlePurpleRain

Either that, or disallow all punctuation, ala Scrabble.

Gareth McCaughan

20:16

@GentlePurpleRain Thanks for the welcome. Not really here :-)

quartata

my intent was to allow hyphens, because if you dont want them its easy to exclude them from the regex. but im not sure if they should count to the length or not

Post Left Garf Hunter

time

I was thinking of aurorae (8)

Deusovi

ooh that's a nice one

ManyPinkHats

Nice

Wordlist finds that the only one longer than those three is ALLOLALIA (9)

Cows quack

or assessees

ManyPinkHats

20:20

...weirdly, ASSESSEE is in my list, but not ASSESSEES

Post Left Garf Hunter

what list are you using

Cows quack

neither is it in mine, I simply added the s :P

Post Left Garf Hunter

might not include word forms

Cows quack

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assessees "This is the longest common English word containing only one consonant repeated throughout" huh

ManyPinkHats

combined SCOWL lists; it does contain plural forms, but 'assessee' only shows up in the .95 list, so presumably 'assessees' was even rarer and didn't merit a placement

GentlePurpleRain

20:22

That wiktionary link also mentions coucicouci.

Cows quack

I simply grepped and head'ed the top 10, on which assessee at 8 was listed

GentlePurpleRain

@Deusovi is up next?

Post Left Garf Hunter

ok well maybe deusovi should go? Since mph already whent?

Deusovi

sure, working on it now

ManyPinkHats

I got ASSESSES so quickly because a (very very) long time ago, I was doing a puzzle magazine which included a word pyramid. It was topped by an unknown three-letter word, and then words of length 4 through 8 were below with each instance of those three letters removed. There was also a rule that each of the 4-8 length words had to contain at least one instance of each letter

and I remembered making one on my own for SEA, which ended with a blank row for ASSESSES

Deusovi

20:27

Rule: ^([a-z]{2,}-){2,}[a-z]{2,}$

if I've done it right, that's "at least two hyphens, with each hyphen-delimited substring having at least two letters"

Post Left Garf Hunter

oh no

quartata

hyphenmania

Post Left Garf Hunter

coup-de-grâce (13)?

GentlePurpleRain

Is that hyphenated?

Deusovi

I don't believe it is?

Post Left Garf Hunter

20:28

I don't know

Deusovi

I've always seen it with spaces

ETHproductions

back-and-forth (14)?

that's probably not hyphenated either, is it

Deusovi

that one is

GentlePurpleRain

Would adjectival forms of phrases be allowed? Like, "That up-to-no-good scoundrel was causing trouble..."

Post Left Garf Hunter

What is a hyphen for exactly?

GentlePurpleRain

20:29

As a noun, I think "back-and-forth" is hyphenated. "They engaged in a furious back-and-forth."

ManyPinkHats

brothers-in-law (15)

Deusovi

Hm, I don't particularly like adjectival forms of phrases, since those might be able to get arbitrarily long.

GentlePurpleRain

Makes sense.

Post Left Garf Hunter

@ManyPinkHats Why not grandmothers?

caird coinheringaahing

ladies-in-waiting (17)

GentlePurpleRain

20:31

or great-grandmothers-in-law...

Cows quack

@cairdcoinheringaahing what is that?

GentlePurpleRain

great-great-great-...

Post Left Garf Hunter

oh no

ManyPinkHats

I didn't think of grandmothers-in-law I suppose; I chose one I at least had used in conversation before

caird coinheringaahing

@Cowsquack This

I googled after I thought of it/posted, just to clarify

GentlePurpleRain

20:33

Not longer than the current contender, but made-to-order is another.

ManyPinkHats

I just got mother-of-pearl, but again it's not long enough now

Post Left Garf Hunter

grandmother-in-law-of-pearl

4

caird coinheringaahing

Would ""soon-to-be-ladies-in-waiting" be allowed? If so, dibs

ASCII-only

@cairdcoinheringaahing 15 excluding hyphens

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only It's including hyphens, no?

Deusovi

20:35

people appear to have been scoring including hyphens

ManyPinkHats

Given that the hyphens are in the regex explicitly, I think they should count this time

GentlePurpleRain

If that's allowed, you could allow "soon-to-be-" anything.

Post Left Garf Hunter

hyphens were a mistake

GentlePurpleRain

soon-to-be-antidisestablishmentarianist

Post Left Garf Hunter

soon-to-be-grandmother-in-law-of-pearl

ASCII-only

20:35

@PostLeftGarfHunter of pearl

ManyPinkHats

The Grand Council of Chat Games must convene soon to make a formal proclamation on hyphens in general.

caird coinheringaahing

@GentlePurpleRain Granted, but I have heard "soon-to-be-ladies-in-waiting" used in a sentence a few months back

ManyPinkHats

soon-to-be-ladies-in-waiting = ladies waiting to be ladies-in-waiting

ASCII-only

@cairdcoinheringaahing most likely in informal language

ManyPinkHats

Time's probably up by now, yes?

I think caird has it

caird coinheringaahing

20:37

@ASCII-only Probably. I didn't really get any context

ASCII-only

If I counted right, 8 minutes. So it ended 2 minutes ago

ManyPinkHats

My SCOWL searcher will be of no use here in finding longer ones; I think it disallows hyphens completely, which is why it never found TETE-A-TETE in the previous round as well

caird coinheringaahing

So all I do is post a regex to which I already have one solution?

Pavel

Yee

Deusovi

(my word was originally "cul-de-sac", and then I came up with "mother-in-law" before posting)

Cows quack

20:39

and your hat is almost the same colour as the yee dinosaur

Pavel

Is this time still 5(+1) minutes

ManyPinkHats

That's the intent but it's more "whenever someone remembers to say time's up"

Pavel

I think it should be less

caird coinheringaahing

Can I use a regex checker to test my regex?

Pavel

Yes

I've been using perl

caird coinheringaahing

20:45

.*([aeiou]).*\1.*\1.*

ETHproductions

so any word containing the same vowel three times?

Deusovi

really? this is basically just "longest word"

Pavel

BTW, other than look(ahea|behin)ds, what else is banned? Can I use recursive groups? Balancing groups? Evaluated expressions?

ManyPinkHats

FLOCCINAUCINIHILIPILIFICATIONS (30)

quartata

antidisestablishmentarianism

Deusovi

20:46

[chemical name for titin] (189,819)

caird coinheringaahing

:/

Pavel

@Deusovi We've already banned proteins

quartata

@Pavel absolutely not.

caird coinheringaahing

Didn't think that through

Deusovi

oh, then I would've gone with manypinkhats' answer

Pavel

20:47

Only simple compounds are allowed

quartata

balancing groups are you out of your mind

Pavel

No

I just .NET

ETHproductions

@cairdcoinheringaahing do you want the rest to be consonants or something?

quartata

we are not playing the halting problem game

Pavel

Although same thing really

Deusovi

20:47

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (45)

DJMcMayhem

Pneumonoultramicroscopisilicovolcanoconiosis...

Dang

caird coinheringaahing

@ETHproductions Yeah, something like that

Can I change it?

Deusovi

that would probably be best, yeah

quartata

i do not want to add to the rules "your regex must be guaranteed to terminate"

Pavel

@quartata You can have balancing groups that always terminate

quartata

20:49

you can also have ones that dont

Pavel

/me runs perldoc perlre

caird coinheringaahing

[^aeiou]*([aeiou]+)[^aeiou]*\1[^aeiou]*\1[^aeiou]*

Deusovi

(that's "exactly one vowel, exactly three times", correct?)

caird coinheringaahing

It's super repetitive, but its better than the last one

@Deusovi If I've done it right, yes

quartata

yeah that works

Deusovi

20:50

strengthlessness (16)

quartata

aardvarks (9)

wait a minute

wasnt strengthlessness a contact clue you did once

Deusovi

was it?

quartata

it seems familiar

GentlePurpleRain

It looks like "any number of consecutive vowels" repeated exactly 3 times among consonants.

Deusovi

ah yeah, it can be a longer string of vowels

caird coinheringaahing

20:51

@quartata It's not coming up on the search for Contact room

@GentlePurpleRain ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not what I intended, but seems to work just fine

GentlePurpleRain

I wonder if there's anything of the form "out____ous"...

Pavel

outrageous?

That's not longer

GentlePurpleRain

It would need an "ou" in the middle...

Pavel

oh dur

GentlePurpleRain

I think we should just give it to Deusovi. I doubt anyone will improve on that...

Pavel

20:57

also time anyway

ETHproductions

a brief grep of english-words finds chondrodystrophy, synchrocyclotron, and strengthlessness as the longest possible (16 each)

ManyPinkHats

except synchrocyclotrons

ETHproductions

there's also "synchro-cyclotron", so technically you could do synchro-cyclotrons for 18

GentlePurpleRain

But we've generally been going with the convention that hyphens don't count toward word length, unless they are explicitly included in the regex.

Pavel

@Deusovi Are you going to give a rule

Deusovi

21:01

yeah, just making sure the regex is right

ETHproductions

@GentlePurpleRain ah, I was a bit confused by that when I joined

Deusovi

Rule: [^aeiouy]?([aeiouy][^aeiouy])*[aeiouy]? (alternate consonants and vowels, where y is a vowel)

Pavel

politico-economical

We did a challenge like this earlier in TNB

Deusovi

aw, I'll come up with a new one then

ETHproductions

I have a feeling the y wouldn't contribute much

quartata

21:03

that was the original CMC that made me do this, minus the treatment of semivowels

Deusovi

yeah probably not, but it might give slightly more freedom

anyway, will come up with a new one

ETHproductions

if only there were regex classes for vowels and consonants

\v for vowels, \V for anything else, \c for consonants, etc.

(no idea if these are already existing classes in e.g. perl)

Pavel

You can define your own classes iirc

GentlePurpleRain

We could certainly adopt those for use here.

ManyPinkHats

Honorificabilitudinitatibus

Honorificabilitudinitatibus (honōrificābilitūdinitātibus Latin pronunciation: [ɔ.noː.rɪf.ɪk.āb.ɪl.ɪt.uːd.ɪn.ɪt.aː.tɪ.bʊs]) is the dative and ablative plural of the medieval Latin word honōrificābilitūdinitās, which can be translated as "the state of being able to achieve honours". It is mentioned by the character Costard in Act V, Scene I of William Shakespeare's Love's Labour's Lost. As it appears only once in Shakespeare's works, it is a hapax legomenon in the Shakespeare canon. It is also the longest word in the English language featuring only alternating consonants and vowels. == Use in... ==

Deusovi

21:09

hm, I'm having trouble thinking of a good one at the moment - if anyone else has one, feel free to propose it instead

Pavel

Can I suggest a regex

Rule: ^[^stuvwxyz\-]+$

Any word without dashes or letters that come after s in the alphabet

Deusovi

shouldn't there be .* at the beginning and end then?

Pavel

Nope

Deusovi

oh wait never mind

GentlePurpleRain

calamine (8)

to start the ball rolling

ETHproductions

21:11

gallbladder (11)

(source)

GentlePurpleRain

allomorphic (11)

ManyPinkHats

parallelogram (13)

wait

shoot, I can't remember the spelling

GentlePurpleRain

That's ok.

ManyPinkHats

parallelepiped (14)

I can't remember what vowel goes there, but it's certainly not U

Deusovi

e

ManyPinkHats

21:16

thank you

quartata

echocardiographic (17)

probably could put dumber suffixes on that

GentlePurpleRain

Funny. I was just looking at encephalogrammic, but I don't think it's a word.

quartata

i have a feeling theres a monster word for this one

ManyPinkHats

no, but ~~echoencephalogram (17)~~ ties it

Pavel

@quartata I intentionally included s to prevent cheap pluralization and -ness

ManyPinkHats

21:18

and if EKG is one word, then I'm pretty sure EEG is too

GentlePurpleRain

But EEG is electroencephalogram.

ManyPinkHats

oh nvm then

Is EKG echo- or electro-?

GentlePurpleRain

I think it's echo-.

Deusovi

I thought it was electro-.

ETHproductions

Google says electro-

ManyPinkHats

21:20

Huh. I always thought the first E's were the same

Ah

GentlePurpleRain

NVM, then.

Pavel

EKG is Electrocardiography, which doesn't even have a K in it

GentlePurpleRain

The German word is spelled with a K.

That's where EKG comes from.

ETHproductions

Is time up? it's been 12 minutes

Pavel

Yeah

GentlePurpleRain

21:21

I'm sure there are better words.

Pavel

Grep says: preinferredpreinferring

ETHproductions

wait what?

Pavel

> cineangiocardiographic
chemicomineralogical
encephalomeningocele
meningoencephalocele
blepharoblennorrhea

ETHproductions

Mine gives cineangiocardiographic (22)

quartata

oh i was close then

ManyPinkHats

21:23

along with some of those, SCOWL also has PALEOBIOGEOGRAPHICAL

ETHproductions

I can't find anything about "preinferredpreinferring" that isn't just a word list

ManyPinkHats

same, I think that's a misentry that's been copied from wordlist to wordlist

ETHproductions

Example: github.com/dwyl/english-words/pull/16/files

ManyPinkHats

dictionary misentries are hilarious, like dord

ETHproductions

There are about a dozen missing newlines in some generic word list that have been copied around

micsthepick

21:24

so, IIRC, it's quartata's turn?

Pavel

yes

quartata

thinking

ManyPinkHats

I've removed PREINFERREDPREINFERRING from my copy of SCOWL

Pavel

@ManyPinkHats SCOWL?

ETHproductions

Do you also have REGENERATORYREGENERATRESS?

ManyPinkHats

21:25

wordlist.aspell.net

@ETHproductions Yes, I do. And now, no, I don't.

ETHproductions

There are a few more random concatenations to look for: github.com/dwyl/english-words/pull/16/files

ManyPinkHats

though, I had to add REGENERATORY back in, since it seems like that was missing on its own

quartata

([acegikmoqsuwy][bdfhjlnprtvxz])+

even/odd

ETHproductions

I wonder if english-words is just a cleaned-up version of the SCOWL list?

micsthepick

this will be hard

Pavel

21:27

ability (7)

quartata

hmm one second let me edit it

Pavel

D:

I came up with that myself

micsthepick

@quartata this better not invalidate Pavel's guess :P

quartata

its to make yours valid

Pavel

I'm proud of it

Ohhh I see now

ManyPinkHats

21:29

Thanks for the link; I'm cleaning mine now

Pavel

You're right

micsthepick

it has to be even right now

a group with strictly two characters is repeated

ETHproductions

It's always struck me as odd that all the vowels are at odd indices in the alphabet

micsthepick

hilarity (8)

quartata

[bdfhjlnprtvxz]?([acegikmoqsuwy][bdfhjlnprtvxz])*[acegikmoqsuwy]?

Pavel

21:31

Unclenched (10)

quartata

that should be right

Pavel

^^ Even follows the original

micsthepick

(that was short lived)

no match...

ETHproductions

Would unclenching work for 11?

micsthepick

actually

ManyPinkHats

21:32

Seems like it

Pavel

aww

micsthepick

I had a stray newline in my regex tester

Pavel

inevitability (13)

GentlePurpleRain

uninstituted (12)

ETHproductions

time's up I believe

Pavel

21:40

\o/

ManyPinkHats

SCOWL gets NONINSTINCTIVELY (16)

Pavel

Rule: .*q.*q.*

ETHproductions

Yup, same here

I feel like there's a very limited amount of words possible here

Pavel

Probably

ManyPinkHats

I know what substring I want; I'm figuring out the prefix/suffixes

actually, let's start basic just to get it out of the way

Pavel

21:42

I'll change \w to .

And allow dashes

ManyPinkHats

QUINQUENNIALLY (14)

GentlePurpleRain

quasi-arabesque (14)

quasi-equanimity (15)

micsthepick

quasi-oblique (13) is the best I can find myself

GentlePurpleRain

quasi-equatorially (17)

micsthepick

(based off of Gen's answers though)

GentlePurpleRain

21:46

I don't know if any of these are actually valid. They sound like reasonable words to me...

ManyPinkHats

I'm struggling to find any other quinque- words that aren't really just quin- words but made more annoying

micsthepick

@GentlePurpleRain are you counting the hyphens?

GentlePurpleRain

Wouldn't quinquinquennially be valid?

I was not counting the hyphens.

micsthepick

I remember that someone said to count them

ManyPinkHats

? quinque- is a prefix on its own meaning 5

It's not a combined prefix that can keep building, to my knowledge

GentlePurpleRain

21:47

Right. Sorry.

John Dvorak

How about icosaquinque- ?

micsthepick

time?

ManyPinkHats

SCOWL has QUINQUETUBERCULATE as its longest, followed by a lot of other QUINQUE- words

GentlePurpleRain

Any that don't start with Q?

ManyPinkHats

also there is QUADRATOSQUAMOSAL and (a nice one) HARLEQUINESQUE

For non-Q-starts, it has HARLEQUINESQUE (14) has COLLOQUIQUIUMS (14) but I think the latter might be a typo?

Ah, also some SESQUI- words with -QUADRATE, -QUARTILE, -QUINTILE

GentlePurpleRain

21:53

Rule: ^[a-m]+[n-z]+$

Volatility

ambiguous (9)

ETHproductions

@ManyPinkHats If hyphens were allowed (but not counted), my list has "quasi-consequentially" for 19

@GentlePurpleRain We did this one last night, FWIW

ManyPinkHats

That would be 20 without the hyphen, but still nice

micsthepick

I know one that has not been done

GentlePurpleRain

OK, let's move on, then.

ManyPinkHats

21:57

ambidextrous (12)

GentlePurpleRain

(To clarify, I meant, "Screw this round; micsthepick, go ahead and post a clue")

micsthepick

oh, sorry

.*foo.*

GentlePurpleRain

football (8)

footballers (11)

ManyPinkHats

underfoot (9)

ETHproductions

foolhardiness (13)

GentlePurpleRain

22:01

unfoolishness (13)

ManyPinkHats

foot-and-mouth (12, or 14 with hyphens), as in foot-and-mouth disease

Not bolding, since it's not longest

ETHproductions

@ManyPinkHats This was an especially good one, btw

quartata

maybe i do need to allow lookaheads

concerned we are going to run out of interesting patterns against all odds

GentlePurpleRain

Or maybe we just need people to think up better patterns.

There are almost infinitely many patterns similar to the current one that provide for an interesting game.

food-production (14)

what about half-oophorectomy? :P

or chief-oompa-loompa

(I know; the hyphens aren't allowed there...)

ETHproductions

Highly doubt that last one would be allowed anyway ;)

GentlePurpleRain

22:09

ufo-observatory

micsthepick

time up

GentlePurpleRain

What was your word?

ETHproductions

Interestingly, Google won't let me search for "food-production" with only the hyphen, it finds results with a space instead

micsthepick

I think I forgot

buffoon

GentlePurpleRain

Two Fs.

micsthepick

22:11

right

GentlePurpleRain

How about "Ipitydafoo" :P

micsthepick

ouch :P

GentlePurpleRain

Anyone still playing?

ETHproductions

Ipitydawhatnow

ohhh

GentlePurpleRain

overthinkingit.com/2010/05/04/i-pity-the-fool-origin

I'll take that as a "no".

ETHproductions

22:15

I'm still up to play, but it won't be much fun if there's only 2 or 3 of us

micsthepick

I have to go anyways

ETHproductions

Perhaps I'll get started on a bot?

It'll be a JS console-bot though, I don't know how to write one in Python using whatever API there is

GentlePurpleRain

You can always just copy Shiro or Lens and modify it, if you want a Python-bot.

quartata

i have about half of a bot done

the main thing i was working on was isolating the regex evaluation and putting a timeout on it

i didnt want someone to take it down by feeding it a backtrack bomb as it were

ETHproductions

Backtrack bomb?

Riker

23:22

I'm here if y'all still are

Post Left Garf Hunter

I am

0 '

23:55

me as well

xnor

i'd play a game

(i haven't played before)

Riker

anybody else available? we can try playing with this and hope somebody joins tho (the beta tests indicated 3 +cluer is ok)

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