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RELOAD! There are 2509 unanswered questions (92.9274% answered)
 
12:12 AM
If you have nil where you expect a Hash, that's a bug, and the correct response is to fix the bug so you don't get nil in the first place, not to work around the nil! And if you "find yourself having to do this all the time", then you have a lot of bugs, and you should tighten up your design, development, testing, code review, and QA processes (and, ultimately, your hiring processes, so you don't hire programmers that write such silly bugs in the first place)! — Jörg W Mittag 6 secs ago
 
12:26 AM
@Phrancis lol
 
@Mat'sMug seriously though, about your VBA post, are you looking for a code review from an "OOP VBA" expert, or from someone who doesn't know much VBA?
That in itself will lead to very different answers
 
The former... the idea was to write some OOP code to demonstrate OOP in VBA for a RD News blog post
I phone-selfied anyway lol
 
OK
'@Interface
'@Folder("Abstract")
Are those RD-specific tags?
 
12:42 AM
Yup :-)
annotations actually
The @Interface marker will soon be used to switch off some inspections in a given class module
And the @Folder annotation determines the folder structure in the Code Explorer
 
@Mat'sMug r u a wizerd?
 
Huh?
@Quill I'm a mug...
 
I'm very tempted to photoshop your mug on gandalf's face
 
lol
What makes you want to do that?
 
because gandalf does magic similar to that vba magic
 
12:50 AM
meh... it's C# magic more than anything else ;-)
 
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Q: Broken keyboard challenge

LeonInspired by Reddit r/dailyprogrammer Help! My keyboard is broken, only a few keys work any more. If I tell you what keys work, can you tell me what words I can write? The program works fine, not really any additions I wish to make to it. Was just wanting some general feed back on the layo...

 
possible answer invalidation by mdfst13, chicks on question by user2838984: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/133855/revisions
 
2:21 AM
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Q: How can I make this Java spring controller class more re-usable?

James111I've got a spring controller class which handles the user logins. I've got two enpoints: /user/facebook /user/email You can probably guess what these do, they each create an account (user or facebook). But they do use some of the same logic, which I'm wondering, is it worth trying to make a...

 
This question would appear to be a better fit for the Code Review stack. — Elliott Frisch just now
 
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Q: Beginner rock, paper, scissors in Java

PtSageI was curious on what if anything I could be doing better. I have been spending the last few days working with Java and learning some basics and wanted to try this challenge and making it two classes. I found the scanner is sometimes strange and doesnt take input the first time? This is my first ...

 
3:14 AM
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Q: Seeking improvement of code quality using oo design principle

user4726279i am designing and writing the following code. Are there any way to improve this kind of scenario? I have a "ClassFactory" that instantiate object at runtime. void Main(string param) { var c= ClassFactory.getClass(param); c.Method1(param.type); } This class has a C as parent class an...

 
3:51 AM
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Q: In a sentence, find the word with a character repeated most number of time

UnbreakableI am learning PHP I have found a question where I need write a PHP program, to be executed from the CLI, which accepts a file path as an argument. The program should only output the chosen word. Example: Input: “O Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?” Output: “wherefore” Explanation: The lett...

 
OMG I CAN MARKDOWN IN WORDPRESS AT FRAKKIN' LAST!!
I mean, that's new right?
 
Not as far as I know.
At least, I think I've been able to do it in the web editor since they redesigned it.
 
huh, that's possible
 
Just got back from our neighbors fireworks show. They were awesome.
 
I might have given up on them before that
nice
 
3:59 AM
We were there for about an hour and a half, and they were the kind the professionals use.
The huge ones, not the measly little ones.
Illegally of course, but who cares? I certainly don't as long as he is reasonably careful.
 
insurance companies probably do care ;-)
 
Bah, I don't like insurance companies.
Apparently he was going big bomb ones during the day, and got the cops called on him.
They said he'd better stop or they'd take the rest of them away.
His brother said he'd post bail if he got arrested, and he said his brother said he'd post bail.
His brother commented it wouldn't be the first time, and probably not the last.
 
Our neighbour lets off fireworks in our street sometimes
 
They were joking, of course--they joke all the time.
 
Scares the crap out of my dogs
 
4:03 AM
@Quill The kind that go 200-300 feet in the air?
@Quill :/
 
I can't do a conversion and an estimation in my head at the same time
The worst part is that they do it for unimportant events
 
Think about a big oak tree--oh wait, do you have any over there?
 
like if their team wins some generic sport
 
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Q: Concurrent for loop in C++

coderoddeI have this easy to use facility that maps input elements to output elements concurrently by the means of a thread pool: concurrent.h: #ifndef FORP_H #define FORP_H #include <functional> #include <initializer_list> #include <iostream> #include <thread> #include <vector> namespace net { n...

 
@Quill Eh, you can still enjoy them.
 
4:04 AM
@Hosch250 no oak trees in suburbia
 
We live in a place that used to be heavily forested. We have some that we estimate date back to the Revolutionary war.
We had to cut some down that dated back to the Civil war because they were leaning over our house and were rotting from a branch that was taken off to build the house.
 
 
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6:14 AM
Don't inherit from Sprite. But thats a code review discussion. Ask it on the code review stack exchange. — Ivan Rubinson 16 secs ago
 
@Quill nice song ^^
 
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Q: xkcd comics data provider

David GuanPlease help me this code more golang, thanks! Why I need built a API for xkcd Can't get the data provided by xkcd directly in front-end(CORS). So we can package the data to 10 comics per request. Instead of 1 request match one comic. main.go package main import ( "encoding/js...

 
I'm flying to Dublin today.
 
6:43 AM
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Q: Error Help for Google App Scripts- TypeError: Cannot read property "1" from undefined. (line 12, file "Code"

user110592I am a novice user and was having problems with my code compiling. I am getting the error "TypeError: Cannot read property "1" from undefined. (line 12, file "Code")." The problem is occurring on the line that is " var address = values[i][1];" Thanks for the help. Code: function EmailSender() ...

 
7:12 AM
Better fit for code reviewX.L.Ant 28 secs ago
 
7:32 AM
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Q: API class to connect with web php

Liam Hardytoday I coded a simple API class in C# with just a WebClient instance in each void and just simple voids to do simple things, can anyone give me any support in how I can improove it? Thanks. using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.Linq; using System.Net; using System.Text; ...

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Q: Good coding suggestion

Hisham MaudarbocusI have a ColorFormat class that contains a string format for a color and its format name. In the software, I will define multiple instances of this class and regroup all of them in the class ColorFormats: [XmlRoot("ColorFormats")] public class ColorFormats : List<ColorFormat> // <-- Notice Color...

 
Monking
 
yo
so I realised the point of React server: render the initial state and then let the client render the states after that
 
Yep
That's it
 
which means I now have to redesign my project ;-;
 
Lol.
 
7:38 AM
</facepalm>
 
Ideally what should happen is that you should just route your express/whatever routes to react-router and then render react
the benefit of this is that your server can render the pages for react even if javascript is disabled on the front end
as long as you use buttons sparingly, that's progress enhancement for free
 
all the tutorials I read start talking about redux and then I start falling asleep <_<"
 
because redux is fricking awesome
There are two "big" state container libs right now, mobx and redux
I haven't looked into mobx much but from what I've seen, mobx is a lot more invasive in your code base (need to use annotations etc) and also has more surface area
redux is just a couple of reducers
 
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Q: [Very basic PHP session handling]

BizzyBobI’ve got my first real PHP web application up and running. It is working as expected, but being my first time, I’m sure there is plenty of room for improvement. Right now, there is one particular aspect that I’d like some Code Review love on: my session handling class. I haven’t used any frame...

 
@CaptainObvious [Why did you use square brackets?]
 
8:00 AM
Naruto answer; accepted non-selfie answer with 0 score: improvement of a database register function
 
Monking
 
If you're interested in learning about frontend validations, there's this very nice project on Github called Parsley. In this file they came up with a (very large) email validation regex that may be worth a look for you. — Marcus Vinícius Monteiro Jun 2 '15 at 14:21
I really hate when people self advertise their projects without leaving a disclaimer
 
8:23 AM
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Q: C++ finalizer template

Serge RoussakConsider, please, my code of the finalizer template: #include <functional> template<typename F, typename... Args> class finally { public: finally(F action, const Args&... args) : _action(std::bind(action, args...)) {} ~finally() { if(enabled) _action(); } bool ena...

 
@DanPantry It's got 7000 stars and he's not in the contributor list
 
what are the chances that the commenter and the latest committer share a similar name
deleted my comment, it was wrong
 
@DanPantry in le france anything is possible
 
> Take a gander at this 6.2kb monster for validating RFC822 email addresses:
> [this] somewhat pushes the limits of what it is sensible to do with regular expressions
"somewhat" lmfao
 
I wrote the formal language syntax for my language in Regex
 
8:26 AM
/^(why|wtf|you have no soul)$/
 
I didn't use the regex as a tokenizer, but regex is nice for making formal language notation
 
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because you're really asking for a codereview.stackexchange.com. — deceze 49 secs ago
 
very brave
@Duga oh lordy lord
 
StackOverflow really isn't the place for this sort of thing - rather than code review, it seems like you're really after basic coding skills. My personal recommendation would be to check out e.g. the learnprogramming subreddit on Reddit. — Karl Knechtel 30 secs ago
 
hey @DanPantry do you know any good tutorials for Redux and/or React router?
 
8:28 AM
@Quill The creator of Redux, Dan Abramov, has a good series on egghead.io.
That's for Redux
I don't have any for react-router, but IMO react-router is pretty simple anyway that you can work it out just by reading the docs.
 
I can't even figure out cron and we got friggen NASA over here inserting things into orbits and shit +/- 1 second I'm a failure
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@Quill lol
 
8:49 AM
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Q: Shortening Large Python Script (Help)

jasotufy2Im making a python program. It is basically a Questionnaire and I was just wondering if there is s shorter way of doing this as at the moment i am writing out all of the questions in separate functions. I was wondering if there is an alternative way of doing this in almost a single function where...

 
9:10 AM
consider moving this question to Code Review — danjonescidtrix 10 secs ago
 
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Q: Django 1.9: Compare two different approaches of creating 2 types of User

MilanoI'm trying to figure out which would be more efficient way to create 2 types of Users in Django (v 9). I've add a question on StackOverflow. User Sardorberk answered with one interesting approach and I'm considering which of the two approaches would be better. The two User types will have multi...

 
I'm not sure this would be on-topic for code review either. — Wai Ha Lee 59 secs ago
 
<?php
$a="foo";
var_dump($a instanceof stdClass);
var_dump("foo" instanceof stdClass);
?>
bool(false)
PHP Fatal error:  instanceof expects an object instance, constant given in Command line code on line 1
 
It's not. Please consider reading our help center before making false suggestions. It's Code Review, not Directory Review. — Dan Pantry 35 secs ago
 
Scroll down for an amazing analogy
> Now imagine you meet millions of carpenters using this toolbox who tell you “well hey what’s the problem with these tools? They’re all I’ve ever used and they work fine!” And the carpenters show you the houses they’ve built, where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside-down. And you knock on the front door and it just collapses inwards and they all yell at you for breaking their door.
^ PHP
 
9:25 AM
@DanPantry Why are you PHP'ing anyway?
The error makes sense though. Why are you trying to dump the value of "foo"? It is a value itself, it's not a variable.
 
@Mast I'm not, I fell down a rabbit hole from security.SE
 
Keep in mind the function you're calling is named var_dump, not value_dump. No var, no dump.
 
@Mast Yes, but the fact that there's a difference between the two IMO doesn't make much sense
 
It's PHP, not JavaScript.
 
That means PHP treats variable bindings as fundamentally different to values
I don't know any other languages that do that...
C# doesn't do it...
and C# isn't JavaScript
 
9:28 AM
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Q: Disk Partition type lookup table

Edwin van MierloThe following code I am using to lookup the description based on a "Partition Type" in either a string, an integer or hex value. By calling parttype(parttype) in the below code. Is there a more pythonic way for this? __PARTTYPE_TO_DESCRIPTION__ = { "00": "Empty", "01": "DOS 12-bit FAT",...

 
With $a you're pointing to a value. It looks up the value and tells you what type it is.
With "foo", it expects to be pointed to something and fails.
Which makes sense.
 
I would agree, but there's nothing visible that says $a is a pointer
Especially when you do $a = 'string';
 
It's not a pointer, it's a variable.
 
I think treating variable bindings as fundamentally different from teh values they represent in that manner is a bit silly
but that's my opinion, compared to what languages I've used (not just javascript, but c#, ruby, c++, etc)
 
I'm just wondering why you'd ever want to do something like that in the first place.
 
9:31 AM
I mean, sure, variable bindings in JavaScript can be different (a binding may be const which means the compiler treats it differently to let)
but you can still use any value in place of a variable
I mean.. that's what an algebraic variable is, right?
 
But there's no point.
You could even say it's a safety measure against bad practises, but since we're talking about PHP...
Don't put magic numbers in your code. Don't put magic words in them either.
 
Speaking of binding and shit code: codereview.stackexchange.com/q/133846/62429
 
Everything should be a variable for maintainability sake.
 
@Mast I agree, but it's the fact that behaviour exists that is surprising
@Quill as much as I like cursing, I don't think you should be cursing in chat while blue
 
var boundDirect = this.direct.bind(this);
read(options,boundDirect);
@DanPantry meh, some of the top flagged users are mods ;-)
 
9:37 AM
@Quill That might be reasonable if they don't support ES6 bind operators
 
IMO that ain't cursing.
 
@Quill I mean Simon posted a warning in nth about our language
Though admittedly that mostly pertained to the starwall
 
It's excrement, not a disease or anything religious.
 
Monking
 
Monking
 
9:39 AM
Is it still a bad idea to use your phones on planes?
I'd imagine the 4g signal would be much worse. lol
 
@DanPantry it's at best meh. The problem is mostly that during takeoff and landing you ping too many cell towers, IIUC
 
@Quill Yeah, looking at read I think this usage is actually perfectly fine
 
@DanPantry They got an internal antenna IIRC.
 
and in the air it's probably useless anywways
 
@Vogel612 I guess I'll just get an ebook then
 
9:40 AM
or go into "plane mode"
 
plane mode disables my headphones :(
 
Odd.
 
Bluetooth, not very odd ^^
 
@DanPantry bt?
 
Ah, figures.
 
9:41 AM
@Vogel612 are a rubbish internet provider :D
 
So get old-school headphones for the plane.
@DanPantry He wasn't talking about British Telecom :P
 
i just bought this headset yesterday
because my old one was red.... and my hair is blue
@Mast I know, it was as rubbish pun
 
@DanPantry yeah, cursing on the starwall usually gets edited
 
@Quill Can blues edit past the 2 minute limit?
 
@Vogel612 the latest podcast is live on GitHub
@DanPantry yeah
 
9:43 AM
=.=
That ping really confused me for a second
Until I realised you edited your post
 
@Quill +1, imma take a look
 
I'm an old man @Quill, I'm easy to confuse. pls stop
 
@DanPantry lol IIRC you're as old as me, if not younger
 
@DanPantry just a demo, using the edits like that is a bit mean ;-)
 
@Vogel612 what are you on about whippersnapper
 
9:44 AM
@DanPantry s/old/inpatient/
 
I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it and what's it seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you.
I totally didnt copy paste that
 
sounds like my experience learning JavaScript
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LOL
@Vogel612 I'm 21. I can't find an age on your profile
 
ditto
so there's that
 
I just like to remind Quill how young he is :^)
speaking of, when's your 18th quill?
 
9:46 AM
First it was jQuery, then it was vanilla, then it was Angular, then it was ES6 and now it's React and ES7/ES2015 transpilation
 
although I know you don't like revealing personal info on the web despite having your mug plastered over it
 
Not that I like to give out PII, but closer towards the end of the year
 
ah right, not too long then
maybe secret santa will be extra kind this year
maybe you'll get two rocks of coal in your stocking instead of one. :D
 
Being 18 just means I can buy alcohol
 
@Quill how does that work Down Under?
In Germany I van buy (and drink) beer or wine (as well as some kinds of champagne) from age 16
 
9:51 AM
@Vogel612 it's the same as buying alcohol in europe, but with more kangaroos and swearing
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and everything else from 18
 
well I turn 18, then I walk to the BottleO and then I buy some bloody beeeeeeeeaaaaa
 
I've just realised that up until @Quill wrote "bea" I've always read what he writes in a pan-global accent
and yeah now I'm reading everything like that simpsons sketch
> caw-fee
> beee-ah
 
Come to think of it, only footballer type people have "stereotypical australian" accents, mine's pretty normal, I guess
 
This is getting very off topic BTW, we should probably move this dowNth under once we're done.
 
9:56 AM
Heading back to site related conversation..... I wouldn't mind fleshing out some kinda plan for that "community event" I was talking about with Phrancis before
 
What event? Link to transcript?
 
Yea, throw us a link.
 
I also did a nice rant about site health:

Site Health rant

Jun 24 at 1:10, 51 minutes total – 114 messages, 6 users, 7 stars

Bookmarked Jun 24 at 2:11 by Quill

 
I agree, I've been speaking with @Phrancis on skype about how low that answer rate is getting
 
I think we all agree it's becoming a problem and should be fixed.
The obvious question is: How?
 
10:15 AM
Jun 24 at 0:02, by Quill
we should do some bounty community challenges for zombie killing
 
a second call of duty
I don't think swag is the right answer, though
(based on transcript)
 
Monking
 
@arda that will never happen
 
Zak
Trying to motivate with monetary rewards (whether swag or rep) is not, IMO, an effective idea.
 
I think the main issue is as others have highlighted: top answerers are "outgrowing" the site
 
10:22 AM
Funny how yesterday I spent hours on my data entry program to format things nicely, and today I realize that people who enter data would not like something messing with their input
 
There's little incentive to stick around and I feel we spend more time educating SO on what our site is used for than educating questioners
I also think that this goes beyond the 2nd monitor - while the 2nd monitor certainly contains a lot of regulars, this is something that should be discussed on meta.
One part to gain an idea of what the "problem" is, and then another meta post later on how we can resolve the problem
Right now it seems no one knows the root causes, we're just seeing the effects: less traffic, less answering
Getting an insight into non-2nd regulars ideas of the site may help with that.
just my 2c
On the upside there's more discussion in 2nd and nth these days, so maybe that means that there will be a resurgence in answers
I think we just need another goal to work towards. Everyone pulled together to get the 95% for graduation (on the flip side, the site was much smaller back then because it had to be smaller to make room for @Mat'sMug's longer name)
 
Correct me if wrong, but I think that a significantly smaller fraction of the regulars (and perhaps the total amount of answerers) actually care about rep these days, back in the past it was common for reviewers to be excited when they could max out their rep, nowadays I honestly don't see it anymore
 
Yeah, I mean, I don't care about rep. I wanted to help the community. Most of the time that was through CVs. Having those taken away from me hurt quite a bit.
And yes, I could just answer reviews to get that, but that's hard to find the time to do
 
voting is a low, rep is at a low, there's no "goal" to work towards
 
> There's little incentive to stick around
Basically
What incentive is there to help on CR anymore aside from The Joy of Painting Code Reviewing?
And you could argue that should be reason enough, but I have other stuff that I need to do
 
10:28 AM
Does CR differ a lot from SO though, looking at incentive to stick around?
 
@DanPantry personally... none
 
@skiwi SO questions aren't as involved as CR ones.
It's much easier to write a SO answer than a CR one.
 
^^ that
 
both in terms of difficulty and time
Every CR answer is tailored to the person it is being directed at. It is truly a craft of love and it takes a lot of time and resources.
With SO it's simply a case of being right or wrong.
 
Right, that makes sense
 
10:29 AM
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Q: Fetch: how to deal with a json payload in an error response?

TiemeTrying to get https://github.com/github/fetch working with an API that almost always returns a json payload, even when the response is an error: { "message": "User not logged in", "code": 401 } So I came up with this, adopting their status check example function checkStatus(response) { ...

 
@CaptainObvious fetch('/downvotes-pls')
actually
nvm
title is a bit off
premise looks.. okay ish?
I need 2nd opinions here, looks more like he wants a hypothetical answered, not a code review
 
title's off. But it looks like a standard question about proper error-handling for a working library function
 
I'd agree, but it "feels" hypothetical to me
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
that's because the scope is so extremely narrow, I'd say. Also because the question isn't so open-ended
 
Fix the title and read again. If it still feels off it might need a closer look.
 
10:32 AM
christ, I can't english
 
Back to discussion: As a regular I'm starting to do way more "janitorial" work.
 
yeah, I use up my review queue quota daily but I haven't got rep in months
 
Posting Comments, VTC, Flagging and downvoting crap. Also guiding new users here in chat and sometimes educating SO people
 
Sounds familiar.
 
I do like doing it, because it means I can keep the site clean, but it takes away from my reviewing time (which has been reduced by external factors anyways)
The problem seems to be that there's too much work necessary to effectively churn out reviews and fulfill the "trusted user"-role
 
10:35 AM
Hai
 
There is new users that write reviews, but they don't seem to be voting extremely much, which results in a lack of engagement
 
@Vogel612 is right that moderation stuff takes a good bit of time
 
^^ that's all voters this week that voted more than 10 times :/
 
Oh wow, I didn't realize voting dropped so much
 
much isn't even remotely describing it :/
 
Zak
10:39 AM
Problem with CR is, often, that reviews are not obviously useful to other people's specific problems. and Specific problems is often why people are on google/SO at any given time.
 
What about the changes SE made to registering for sites a while ago? I forgot exactly what the changes were, but they should decrease the time it takes for users (coming via the HNQ bar) to register for our site, right?
 
I think that basically nobody is running out of votes anymore
 
I also realized that I don't know half of these users
 
^^ top x voters for this year
and I'm in there with less than 700 votes, after half a year
that's about a tenth of the possible votes
that said even our top voter has only about half the possible votes for this year spent
30 days / mo * 6 mo * 40 votes = 7.2k votes
 
Talking about votes, and since I don't vote much. Is there like a vote queue I can do once a day?
 
10:42 AM
@JoeWallis that would be awesome.
the problem is, it also has a big share or problems and it won't work for about any other site than CR
soo... unfortunately no there isn't
on that note: there used to be much more pimping for votes
 
Zak
Q: SQL Server instance names, PascalCase or Snake_Case?
 
@Zak irrelevant. Your choice
 
Damn, ): Time to learn SQL I guess then...
 
Zak
Also, vote queue would be awesome, but in the absence, I just pick the tags I feel confident to vote on and go through all recent questions upvoting things that are decent
 
@Zak by activity or by newest?
 
10:44 AM
@Vogel612 Basically my dilemma as well.
It also really annoys me that, again, my CVs were taken away from me. It's just one less thing I can contribute.
 
mind you the rep-level changes were exactly what we wanted SE to do
 
Zak
@Vogel612 Generally newest. The sooner after posting you get upvotes, the stronger the association.
Next Q: "VibraniumDuck", "BrightsteelDuck", "UnobtaniumDuck", PlutoniumDuck", or some other "[Material]Duck"?
 
that means new answer to old questions go unseen, though
 
@Zak I've seen snake case used more often than pascal case, probably because it's easier to copy-paste into Excel and just find-replace underscores
 
@Zak why a Material?
 
Zak
10:48 AM
@Vogel612 Personal Preference. I was going to call the first one "RubberDuck" but that could lead to confusion down the line.
 
@Zak I stick to PascalCase unless I'm sure Snake_Case is better for the occasion. So I'd go with the former.
HandwaviumDuck?
@JoeWallis We could do something like that with a SEDE query...
 
those are outdated by a week though...
 
This is the change in gerrit: codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/94460/3Uflex 1 min ago
 
@Mast IIRC Holroy done something like it, time to rummage about meta then
 
@Vogel612 If I'm fifth, the rest of you are slacking.
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10:51 AM
I brought up with @Quill that it would maybe help to have an "answer queue" type of thing, but the effects would likely be short lived and more likely become just another chat room to moderate
 
@JoeWallis Nothing personal, but I think the sentiment of his query was off.
But yes, something similar to that.
 
@Phrancis we did already have that idea. it turned into RoboSanta, IIRC
 
In all fairness, with answer queues and such, aren't we just gaming our own system? What are even the benefits of doing that?
 
@skiwi exposure to answers
the point is not to upvote other regulars (though it may happen), the point is to enable and strenghten involvement with CR for "regulars-to-be"
 
Zak
Ah frack it. It's an internal server name. I like RubberDuck. I'll be able to keep things separate.
 
10:53 AM
because there's nothing more frustrating than spending 1.5 hours on a review and then getting an upvote and a comment from OP
 
Providing a "list" or "queue" of answers to vote on will either be seen as A) gaming the system B) an easy way to enjoy the benefits of favouritism or C) rep inflate the users
 
@Vogel612 So the goal is for non-regulars to get more upvotes = make them more happy = hope on more involvement? If so, then I can understand that
 
@skiwi right, it's just an artificial solution when we really need to define the problem first, if there is even one
 
@Quill we're targeting direction C
but you shouldn't see it as rep-inflating users. the point is to give recognition for the work they put into reviews
 
Sorry chatting on mobile right now, please excuse errors
 
10:55 AM
Voting is a culture, trying to forcibly change or instate a culture is generally always gonna end in tears, heartbreak and apologies
 
@Quill true that. The mission worked fine though..
 
Zak
I try and pimp all the new reviewers/askers in VBA when I see them for this very reason. First impressions are by far the most impactful in getting people to stick around.
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that was a call to voting
 
@StewieGriffin Don't go too fast with the edits. Leave something for tomorrow as well.
 
@Vogel612 because we had a goal, that wasn't "we want more love for our work"
 
10:56 AM
@Quill don't you also want more love for your work?
 
Everyone was like "our site isn't doing great.. :( let's improve our stats so we can join the big kids table"
 
because I know I at least like getting upvotes
 
@Vogel612 It's better than nothing.
 
now we're at the big kids table and as much as the view is great, we don't have anything to drive anyone to vote, or bother organising review efforts
 
I think the best we can do is call out to check the newest questions more often and that should lead to more views and more votes by itself
 
10:57 AM
And that's mainly because reviewing is hard and there's not a large incentive for doing so other than feeling good.
 
we're relying on the unconditional love of the regulars and the hopeful first impressions to push the site forward
 
I really do think this discussion needs to spawn a meta BTW.
 
Relying on love is easy, getting the love and maintaining the love is the hard part
 
@DanPantry Yes, once there's something more of a question.
 
I like the idea of a new mission, if the problem is voting, there i precedent that it worked before, but if that's what wewant go do it needs to get on meta
 
10:59 AM
If we went to meta now, we'd either end up with multiple questions revolving around the same topic or with a vague question.
 
^ that is the main problem
 
@Quill Sorry if asking about a vote queue spawned this. I just want to vote more, but don't look around too much...
 
it's something we all seem to be spinning our gears on though..
because that's the third time that this has come up lately
 
> mission: an important assignment given to a person or group of people
 

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