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03:00
a few weeks ago, there was one minute before history elective ended, so i was challenged by my mate to write a fun game in a minute in any language i like
i chose batch because opening any IDE would take a minute
and i can do batch in notepad
you can write C# in notepad
and compile it with a command-line
like java
except its stupid that way
totally
03:01
javac "myclass"
javac my ass, mate
anyways, this fun game was a horse racing game where you bet on horses and then they race across the screen
2 for 1 odds every time
im rewriting all the player logic and betting and shit
replacing them with for loops, so that any number of players can play
you still have the code?
of course you do
it was only a few weeks ago, and i have a (cleverly named) folder on my desktop called "Big File of Shit"
everything is in there
if i could put the desktop in there, i would
@blaizor Mm.. that sounds totally organized.
03:05
How long does it take to find something?
um
a while
theres seven main folders in there called Stuff, Stuff (2), Stuff (3), Shit, Shit (2), Shit (3) and Shit (4)
and then some scattered folders containing IDE's i dont use anymore, libraries i never installed
and random files and stuff
That sounds a little like my desktop: foo.c bar.c spam.c eggs.c test.c test2.c testt.c testt2.c etc...
its hard to remember what folder something is in
I keep only my class stuff on my desktop.
yes, theres plenty of test.bat, test.java, test.bas, test.f95, test.html, test.css
03:08
I find that using Git and Github force me to be organized.
I organize it into clusters by class with good, detailed names, the core stuff in the middle, the individual assignments around the edges...
I can open almost any file I'd want to open inside of a couple seconds.
And that counts the time opening VS.
ok. fine, hosch. you're a hero
just because some of us cant be bothered
;)
mmm gonna need a refresher on variable substrings
@Hosch250 my VSC takes forever to open. And Rubberduck loads in minutes...
I might need a new laptop though
If anyone has time to answer a question, check this one out: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/87322/a-virtual-piano
@Mat'sMug My VS Pro opens in seconds, and Rubberduck loads in seconds too.
I have a Quad-core 8GB RAM computer.
03:12
that's double my RAM
thats like 8 times my ram
i have 12 lenovo s10e's
the highschool my stepdad teaches at was throwing them out
My sister just got a Toshiba with about 12 GB for about 1.5k.
toshiba... ha
She wants to do video editing, and my computer isn't so hot at the really intensive part.
In fact, every open application on the system crashed.
yeah another problem is remembering which of my 3 active lenovos has android studio on it, which has eclipse and which has the JDK properly installed (instead of just shoved in my android studio project folder)
03:15
I love my system.
@SirPython is that written in assembly?
im not going to be much help there haha
@blaizor Did you get that fishy thing Lenovo had installed out?
Superfish.
what thing?
these are s10e's. from 2009
They put a bug called Superfish in their computers.
why?
03:17
because monkeys work at IBM. #WhenInDoubtBlameTheMonkey
Ads.
Ads, and they are a Chinese State company, so they want to spy on everybody (like the NSA).
the name of this chat room is giving me an idea
you're getting a 2nd monitor? that's a good idea!
do you think i could hook my lenovos together to give myself 12 monitors?
you have 12 laptops?
03:20
yes
they were getting thrown out at the highschool that my stepdad teaches at last year, so i took them
Why would you do that?
You can only work at 1-2 at once anyway.
you'll need one hell of a mousepad
In fact, with 12, you won't even be able to see them all at once.
03:21
@Hosch250 because then i could build a laptop circle and never leave it
I have a laser mouse, so I don't need a mousepad.
What would you do that for?
yes, 360 degrees of stack exchange
ok
1 for SO
1 for CR
1 for WB
I wouldn't if I could.
1 for here
@skiwi could have one for every 20 browser tab he has opened.
@blaizor that gives a new meaning to Office 360
(or is it 365?)
03:23
1 for skype, 1 for android studio, 1 for VS if it ever opens
and 5 for fun
one for notepad
365.
Dishes time.
nah, better make it 3 for notepad
@blaizor you know SQL?
@Hosch250 later!
cya hosch
do i know SQL?
03:24
@Mat'sMug Let me know when you get it changed.
@blaizor It doesn't work until you know it.
Don't try to learn it unless you want to practice failing until you succeed.
but i do know a language designed for a specific statistics program
Well, the same goes for all programming.
'cause that's one language that's very useful to know, and it's knowledge that follows you regardless of the programming language you're dealing with
03:26
because my dad cant be fucked doing his own work for the hospital so he pays me to do it. its called Stata or something
SQL just handles databases and stuff, right?
or is it more than that?
it's a standardized (more or less) language for querying data.
there's a subset for creating/architecting data structures (tables, views, etc.)
but yeah I meant more the querying part
what use does it have to me?
pretty much every single useful program you'll ever write (and earn money for) will involve data. often, data is stored in a database.
all i do is make games, hack my school website to get everyones timetables and make viruses to piss people off
games need data
03:30
its funny how many times they move those timetables
im not allowed to connect to the internet at school anymore - they scratched my login from the system
can you login as robert');DROP TABLE STUDENTS?
little bobby tables
ah, he doesn't know SQL, but knows about SQL injection... interesting!
so how are SQL databases stored?
03:33
...?
like, can you look at them?
SQL databases are storage.
k
makes more sense
usually in files on a database server. you look at them using a management system, like SSMS
But they are stored on normal servers/drives/whatever, just like everything else
03:34
ok
is it written then compiled then run?
not quite
or is it written initially, run, then given commands like DROP TABLE STUDENTS?
or something even stupider?
not quite either
it's data, not code.
does code work like this?
ah. it does
03:36
[tag:tags-work-too]
i never knew how to do tags
is it [tag:this?]
no punctuation is allowed
in comments on the main site, that links to the tag's page
SQL is mostly the access layer, the language that allows access to the data structure. Underneath SQL it's a bunch of tables containing a lot of data points.
Data records are linked to each other in multiple tables using keys/indexes, hence Relational.
03:40
you can experiment with T-SQL (SQL Server's flavor) over at SEDE, and explore SO's data and monitor CR's activity if you write good queries.
and if you write bad ones you'll grow beard before you get your results ;)
LOL, ain't that the truth
saying that i'll grow a beard isnt that daunting. i have to shave every day or i do grow a beard in three to four days
but i get what you mean ;)
www.data.stackexchange.com is not available
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
i can give you a screenshot of how it was before if ya like
its loaded now
there's a bunch of interesting queries here:
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Q: Stack Exchange Data Explorer is up. What now, Wonderland?

Mat's MugIf you didn't know already, the Stack Exchange Data Explorer (SEDE) now includes Code Review and all public StackExchange beta sites. Bookmark: http://data.stackexchange.com/codereview/queries This is our most powerful available tool to tap into our site's data and fetch everything we need ...

03:47
whats the number beneath your name
39.8k
what does that mean
it isnt your rep
total SE rep score
hey look, ive got one too. 584
oh. that is depressing for me
Bask
in my light
mortal
And another line
03:48
If you answer 3-5 questions/day you should easily beat 20K in under a year.
i cant answer 3-5 questions a day
there aren't questions that i can answer
i know ill fuck up and get downvoted for saying the wrong shit
or you can learn.. a lot
this isn't SO
i know
its a weird place that not enough people know about and that half of the questions that should be asked here go to SO
@blaizor Yes.
03:53
@blaizor Actually, you'd be surprised at how many questions SO get that eventually get posted/migrated here. SO don't like working code, doesn't sit well with them.
and we questions with broken code
Or just close them in a nice & kind manner ;)
that's what I meant, of course
yeah ive told people quite a few times to go over to CR
and today i thought eh ill go over there myself
CR is known to be [one of] the friendliest places on SE. And The 2nd Monitor is known to be the happiest (star-happy) chatroom around
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03:57
Stars...? What's that?
did CR coin the word "starcap" or other chats had it before?
doesn't matter. CR has the most users that star-cap at least once a week.
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what is star-cap?
when you use all your stars?
yup
you only get 20/day
aw what
04:02
i should flag that as inappropriate
<RoomOwnerHat> careful with that flag button. it's a nice way to earn a kick-mute for bringing half SE's moderators over here without a valid reason. </RoomOwnerHat>
just sayin' ;)
i didnt flag it
yet
:O
and did you mean that about the "lol"?
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'cause "lol" has its very own meme here:
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A: What's a Zombie? And what are the many other memes of Code Review?

rolflMeme: LOL - AutoStar Originator: Mat's Mug / Jamal Cultural Height: The 2nd Monitor Background: "lol" somehow got targeted at this point here (the first starred lol): retailcoder: lol (darn, again) Followed shortly by: Jamal: lol (don't star that) And then the tradition was cement...

no i meant it about "you only get 20/day"
oh
mwahaha
04:08
Jan 26 at 15:04, by Mat's Mug
Ugh. Trying to star stuff.... just remembered I ran out 2 hours after reload yesterday :(
so its tradition to star something whenever they say lol?
sort of
It'd ruin it if we tried to explain it.
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Instead we just "lol" and star stuff.
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A: What's a Zombie? And what are the many other memes of Code Review?

Mat's Mug This meme has been retired by community decision on Nov 25 2014. It is thus considered a veteran meme. Usages may still occur, but the meme has largely vanished from our site. Meme: We could really use your ammo Originator: syb0rg Cultural Height: Side-effects of The Mission? Related: ou...

DVLR
04:09
is DSLR also a meme?
daily star limit reached
no but it would fit in pretty nicely
Only a few people here manage to run out of stars regularly... cough Malachi & Mug cough
haha
Dec 12 '13 at 19:26, by retailcoder
Arg. Pulled another @Malachi - out of stars already!
Oh and I think ducky too
what is rubberduck, mat?
04:14
it's a COM add-in that makes unit testing possible in VBA. and soooo much more.
whats unit testing?
you're ..kidding, right?
nope
oh
haha
i never had a name for it
it's code that tests other code automatically. in small "units".
yeah
how much do you pay for hosting on that website
04:18
not much. I got a bare-bones package with GoDaddy
how many people visit your site a day?
also get a favicon would ya? i hate seeing that blank page with a corner folded for no reason
not a lot, I'd have to pay to get better search rankings for the keywords I'd want to show up for, ..and a favicon
is your domain name independent or bundled in?
what do you mean?
@blaizor got 43 visits yesterday
well, did you register rubberduck-vba.com before you got hosting?
04:21
yes
or did you do them at the same time on the same site for a bundle deal?
I don't have a hosting plan, I bought a WebsiteBuilder package
ah ok
I just needed something quick & basic
(hopefully doesn't look too bleh)
woah that's surprising.. yesterday's stats:
> No referrers
All visitors access your website by entering your domain name.
oh and between 75% and 80% of my visits come from StackExchange/CodeReview/SO
www.000webhost.com/order.php completely free hosting and website building. FTP, MySQL, phpMyAdmin, SEO, and heaps more features
and favicons :D
not loading for me atm but
ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
04:26
@blaizor yeah well meanwhile my site is up ;)
free stuff is free for a reason
yeah, wanna know the reason for 000webhost being free?
they spill spyware and fill half your screen with ads?
two weeks of inactivity results in banner ads that can be removed with two clicks, and you are often encouraged on your websites control panel (where you can set up email addresses, phpMyAdmin, and the like), via a small ad on the right hand side, to upgrade to their mother site, hosting24.com
why is stackexchange completely free?
because their goal is to eliminate paywalls for knowledge
SO started out of frustration with ExpertsExchange
then perhaps that is the goal of 000webhost
to eliminate paywalls for hosting
04:30
I'd actually need to get paid to use phpmyadmin
haha
why?
because it sucks beyond words
i have no idea what it is haha
it's a shitty front-end for MySQL, a shitty back-end database
i know MySQL is shitty
04:32
@Donald.McLean I just heard on the BBC Science Hour podcast that the Hubble has passed a significant milestone, so...
@blaizor see, you do know something useful about databases!
Happy 25th anniversary Hubble!
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members.000webhost.com is working fine yet the main site is not
the fun world of domain name servers
You had me at PHP... not
TTGTB here
'night folks!
04:37
'night Mug!
@Mat'sMug i know a lot of useful things about databases. im doing my information processes and technology year 11/12 course two years early and thats all we did for three lessons. talk about databases
what i dont know anything useful about is SQL
and good night
Night, @Mat'sMug
MySQL is, technically, SQL. It's just rather inferior, compared to SQL-standard-compliant DBMS, like TSQL or pgSQL
Oh, 1 answer and 5 votes away from a bronze HTML badge.
well, go and answer an zombie, and earn yourself a [badge:necromancer] on the way then!
04:39
MySQL would probably have been good, if Oracle didn't neglect it after acquiring it.
Sure!
Actually, if I got 4 more votes on my last one, I'd have a necromancer:
@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ nope. MySQL is hopeless.
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A: Photo gallery layout

Hosch250First, I will start with the good: <figure> <img src="photo1.jpg" /> <figcaption>Photo 1</figcaption> </figure> It is excellent that you use the HTML5 tag figure instead of a plain old div. You may just have removed this for brevity (many people do), but when you write HTML, you shoul...

@Mat'sMug I feel pretty sure Oracle acquired MySQL to "eliminate competition" in favor of Oracle SQL
Q is almost 1 year old!
04:41
talk about a zombie!
Thanks, just got Revival!
I saw that!
AFAIK MySQL has not had anything new added for many years
it's the VBA of RDBMS's
allright, shutting down.
04:44
Night.
Actually, looks MySQL has been releasing some updates, but they look like mostly bug fixes, and mostly in regards to InnoDB
Word to the wise: If you're looking for a free, open-source DB, go to PostgreSQL instead.
If you're on Windows and looking for a free db, get SQL Server Express 2014
(That ChatSEy app has to be the top-used app on my phone)
PostgreSQL is good too, you'd be surprised Mug ;p
04:59
Got the answer in:
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A: JavaScript Dropdown Selector

Hosch250To help ensure your site displays well across browsers, you should validate your HTML at the W3C validator. It is actually very good, but there are two problems. <span value="null"> and <span value="#"> are invalid - you should remove the value attribute. You can validate your CSS at a W3C val...

3 more votes!
2 more on the zombie kill to get necromancer.
@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ Launch was 20 April, deployment was 24 April.
Today is April 19th.
But otherwise, yes.
Close enough!
We're having a big party at my office.
05:06
Sounds fun, if it isn't drunk.
Drinking and coding do not mix.
Nope, not even with the mythical Ballmer Peak.
@Donald.McLean Ah, very cool! It's amazing the telescope has been going on and being useful for so long!
I should set my desktop to a picture from it for the week.
Got any recommendations?
i was going to make a joke about how coding and drinking might mix when you're using php. or something. but i missed out
05:10
I think the PHP designers are on a permanent binge (JK).
Not real (I don't think):
@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ And it keeps me employed.
@Hosch250 those are all artist renditions
05:11
Oh.
@Hosch250 Perhaps this?
Some of those are from the Hubble page.
These are from the Spitzer telescope: windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/…
I thought this looked real:
It is from the Hubble site.
@Hosch250 Yep, that's real.
05:17
Still an artist's work, AFAIK; but nonetheless, it's freaking cool to observe a star being created
@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ See.
That looks like a nebula to me.
@Donald.McLean Wait... is that an actual capture from Hubble? I thought it'd look a lot less pretty and a lot more scientific
They look like that.
Gosh, I'm tired.
@sᴉɔuɐɹɥԀ The way they create these: they take the actual data in various bands, assign a false color to each band to make the various features stand out, and then combine them. So they are real in that they're at the correct scale, and made with actual data - only the colors are false.
Ah, humph.
05:20
Ahh, OK.
Well, they are still pretty.
@Donald.McLean isn't a lot of the light that these space telescopes collect non-visible light?
Without the false colors, the relevant features wouldn't really be visible, it would just be big blobs of light.
So to the human eye, they could every bit as well be invisible? As in, spectrums could be infra- or ultra-light
And yes, sometimes they include IR, UV, X-Ray, and radio data, none of which would normally be visible.
05:23
That's beautiful. Thanks for educating the poor lot of us, @Donald.McLean :D
TTGTB
i knew about infra red, ultra violet and x ray, but not about radio waves. i thought that because of the long wavelength (sometimes hundreds of meters AFAIK) a lot of the radio waves that we wish to collect get missed, leaving collecting radio waves an incomplete and inefficient way of collecting light information
@blaizor Well, radio astronomy is very different. Raw data has to be extensively processed to produce a "picture". On the other hand, interferometry is relatively easy with radio.
what country are you in @Hosch250
 
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06:38
all alone
@blaizor Well I just showed up.
Your answer is definitely the best first post I've seen. :P
nice
Welcome again.
the update took like three hours to write. but then again more than 75% of that time was spent here instead of typing it
and i just updated it again because i forgot about the NEQ comparator, which tests for a mathematical inequivalence
It's beautiful. I wish I could up-vote it again.
06:43
just got another upvote. coincidence or is someone watching us?
Well, @JaDogg appeared. Could be him, but again, great answer so, could be anyone.
You seem really knowledgeable, I'll probably have a bunch of questions for you next time we meet here. It's 2:40 am for me, and something possessed me to check CR before going to bed, haha.

Good night.
 
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08:27
hey @amon
09:15
just smashed out another long answer
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A: Android Compass

blaizorWe'll tackle this one file at a time. Your XML Not many things wrong here. Your indentation is wrong on the first line (should have no whitespace) but that doesn't do anything to the code at all and hardly improves readability so don't fret. One issue of concern, although, is your use of and...

I would say this question is more suited for codereview.stackexchange.comblack 37 secs ago
what question?
helpful
 
1 hour later…
10:26
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is about working code and would be better suited on codereview.stackexchange.com — Ingo Bürk 11 secs ago
10:50
Monking

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