The 2nd Monitor

Captain Obvious

01:39

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After some thought I decided to vote to close http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27085540/seekable-http-range-stream because it's essentially a code review question. I read around for a while and surprisingly didn't find a fitting solution. I need a .NET Stream that internally issues HTTP Range ...

Jeroen Vannevel

02:35

Sometimes an algorithm is found after 2 generations

sometimes it takes 5468

I'd want to consider it a success but I'm not quite convinced

Captain Obvious

03:54

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Q: Multiples of 3 and 5

If we list all the natural numbers below 10 that are multiples of 3 or 5, we get 3, 5, 6 and 9. The sum of these multiples is 23. Find the sum of all the multiples of 3 or 5 below N. My code correct, but I don't know how I can optimize and make that faster N = gets.to_i N.times do ...

ruby

Heslacher

05:58

Monking @all

chillworld

07:25

monking @all

Heslacher

07:42

Monking @chillworld

Captain Obvious

08:35

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Q: Creating vector of primes using Sieve of Eratosthenes

Please review my Sieve of Eratosthenes implementation. std::vector<int> generate(const int& n) { std::vector<bool> input(n+1, true); for (int i = 2; i <= n; ++i) { for (int j = i+1; j <= n ; ++j) { if (j % i == 0 && input[j] == true) { input[j] = fa...

c++ c++11

Captain Obvious

09:28

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Q: Creating vector of primes using Sieve of Eratosthenes

Please review my Sieve of Eratosthenes implementation. std::vector<int> generate(const int& n) { std::vector<bool> input(n+1, true); for (int i = 2; i * i<= n; ++i) { for (int j = i; i*j <= n ; ++j) { input[i*j] = false; } } std::vector<int> primes{...

c++ c++11

Morwenn

Morning everybody.

Captain Obvious

09:43

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Q: Nearest point using 2d-tree, static variable for the closest point so far

This is a problem from a Coursera class: Write a data type to represent a set of points in the unit square (all points have x- and y-coordinates between 0 and 1) using a 2d-tree to support efficient .. nearest neighbor search (find a closest point to a query point). I implemented the class ...

java beginner algorithm coordinate-system

Vogel612

@Morwenn Monking

Morwenn

Anything new around here? :)

morbidCode

09:59

Hi

Captain Obvious

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Q: Simplify IQueryable Linq to SQL query

Below I present to you an IQueryable LINQ to SQL query (used with NHibernate). I have tried to simplify this query but I could not do it. I want to run a query for searching information. Options: 1) search on source or target 2) search with match case or not 3) search match exact or not The ...

c# linq-to-sql

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Q: How to find a specific data point in a vector

In python: if word not in list: list.append(word) I want to replicate a this effect in C++ with a vector. I think a while loop would work but I don't know how to set the parameters to stop when I have the word I want. Anyone know a way to iterate this?

python c++ vectors

Vogel612

@Morwenn aside from my c++ answer? no..

OBTW, you mind doing a quick sanity check against it`?

Morwenn

You're trying to harvest rep again :D

Anyway, give me the link :p

Vogel612

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A: Creating vector of primes using Sieve of Eratosthenes

Nitpickish stuff: You have no input validation, negative n results in an empty result set. When generating the primes I think using the post-increment would be more obvious for (auto i = 2; i <= n; i++) { I take that you want to benefit from the minimal performance increase, but that's more ...

on that question you just edited, and yes

After all I did bounty 100 rep to the now no more highest voted Zombie on site

because it's not a zombie anymore ;)

Morwenn

:p

Vogel612

10:09

Hiya @morbidCode

Morwenn

Ho is either pre- or post-increment more obvious than the other one?

Vogel612

@Morwenn I wonder ;) I personally find post-increment more obvious..

am I contradicting myself again?

Morwenn

The only rationale I ever found was "we were taught post-increment first".

But I find them strictly equivalent with regards to style.

Vogel612

hmm.. it's something along these lines.. It looks more standard.

I personally prefer post-increment, since the operand is known before the operator when reading..

and that's easier for me to process..

Morwenn

Well, post-increment and post-decrement are even the only postfix iterators in many languages (because they exist in C). Even when calling a regular function, the function's name is written before the arguments names.

morbidCode

10:14

@Vogel612 haha I just got used to using ++i because c++ examples I searched always do this XD

Vogel612

... I don't really think so..

@morbidCode then feel free to disregard that point ;)

calling a method on objects is a postfix operation

 thing.doSomething(with, other, stuff);

morbidCode

@Vogel612 nope your review is fine

Morwenn

That's true for methods, I forgot that.

Vogel612

Operand.operator(arguments);

that's what I mostly do. It's rather seldom that I call methods without object-reference.

and if I do I like to explicitly have this. prepended...

morbidCode

@Vogel612 when you say "benefit from the minimal performance increase", do you mean pre-increment is faster?

Morwenn

10:17

@Vogel612 Overall it is among things that I would have deemed to be strictly a style issue. It isn't worth mentioning, and other people might advocate ++i instead with equivalent arguments.

@morbidCode Pre-increment might be faster for user-defined types, but it is generally just as fast as post-increment for built-in types.

Vogel612

I read on SO there's a minimal performance increase for pre-increment, since post-increment involves maintaining an additional state to assign..

assuming j = i++;

you have j = i; ++i;

or that's how I understood the SO anser.

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Q: Is there a performance difference between i++ and ++i in C++?

We looked at this answer for C in this question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24886/is-there-a-performance-difference-between-i-and-i-in-c What's the answer for C++?

c++ optimization performance post-increment pre-increment

> [Executive Summary: Use ++i if you don't have a specific reason to use i++.]

Morwenn

In a for loop, the result ot he increment isn't used anyway. Compilers will be smart enough to make both pre-increment and post-increment fast when the result isn't used.

Vogel612

hmm.. looks reasonable..

another edit then

ohh dear english jumping into my documentation again..

"What? 'equivalent' is not a german word?"

obtw @morbidCode

Comments like the one on that python question...

Morwenn

Well, it's almost a French word :p

Vogel612

aren't really well recieved when found...

"Anyone know a way to" - you do not have a working code for review. please post this in stackoverflow instead. — morbidCode 20 mins ago

"Please post in stackoverflow" is not the correct thing to say here.. SO is not the place for blatant "Write my code for me" questions

they belong in the trash-bin ;)

morbidCode

10:30

@Vogel612 ok comment rewritten XD

Vogel612

wonderful, thanks ;)

morbidCode

@Vogel612 yey let's make a trash-bin tag :)))

Vogel612

why? we already got php

Yuushi

@skiwi Should have linked to the actual cube drone comic page - cube-drone.com/2014_11_16-99_Ingenuity.html

Captain Obvious

11:02

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Q: Web service client - Problems invoking method

I am having problems invoking web service methods on the client-side. One example method, viewStock() has been provided. The following error occurs when I attempt to invoke this method. Problems were encountered when trying to view records from the database. (Ref. to SQL statements) error cont...

java sql web-services

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Q: Revised Simple Bash Backup Script

As a follow up to a previous question, linked here, I have revised the code and developed what I believe to be a better solution. In summary, the script should backup all files in a particular directory, and assign them to a particular zip file based on their modification dates. This should only ...

bash shell

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Q: Topcoder SRM 602 - Code not working for 1 system test case

I was practicing this problem. I created a solution but it is failing for a particular test case only. Can somebody help me in finding the mistake in my solution? class PilingRectsDiv2: def getmax(self, X, Y, limit): maxX = 200 maxY = 200 count = 0 for i in ra...

python

Pimgd

HaxCallable ftw

Vogel612

@Pimgd ehh??

Pimgd

I've created a wrapper for Callable to allow access to objects

allowing me to convert those huge methods I was posting friday

    @Override
    public FutureTask<Byte> requestGetStreamCount()
    {
        final StreamComponentImpl component = this;
        String requestURL = "streamCount.json";
        Map parameters = null;
        return requestGet(requestURL, parameters, new HaxCallableImpl<Byte>()
        {
            @Override
            public Byte call() throws Exception
            {
                JSONObject result = getResult();
                if (result.has("response"))
                {
                    JSONObject response = result.getJSONObject("response");

to things like this

Vogel612

11:17

final StreamComponentImpl component = this;

Pimgd

... =D

Vogel612

Hax is an understatement.,.

Pimgd

You need a final reference to something to be able to access it in a callable

The alternative is 15 lines extra per function

This is great

Vogel612

I know..

but final this...

eurght

Pimgd

Yeah but this is the alternative

@Override
public FutureTask<Byte> requestGetStreamCount()
{
    final StreamComponentImpl component = this;
    FutureTask<Byte> future = new FutureTask<>(new Callable<Byte>()
    {
        @Override
        public Byte call()
        {
            Future<JSONObject> responseTask = component.sendRequest("streamCount.json", null);
            do
            {
                try
                {
                    JSONObject result = responseTask.get();
                    if (result.has("response"))

Vogel612

11:19

//Theoretically unreachable

+1 for that ;)

Pimgd

To reach it, response task would need to be not done

yet the first line blocks for response task to be done

I suppose I should throw an exception there?

Instead of returning null.

Vogel612

no clue..

Pimgd

If it's really unreachable, rig it to explode in the most violent manner

that way you'll know for sure when the impossible has happened

Vogel612

depends on whether you need to handle it if things go awry, or you can say: "Things broke worse than that, I'm fine without shooting everything to hell"

Pimgd

return null is the correct response ("something went wrong with the async request")

but I feel it's theoretically impossible to reach the code, so I should rig it to explode in case my assertions are flawed

oh well, the 'theoretically unreachable' return null is now centralized

instead of everywhere

Vogel612

11:24

hmm.. It seems we're getting more and more questions, but a large fraction of these is closed as non-working code..

anyways: ~food

Pimgd

ooh, there's places where I'm 3 levels deep in try-catches

I think I've just gone mad and I'm making the best of it

but that's not a bad attitude to life in general

Pimgd

11:46

I need a better name, though

HaxCallable and HaxCallableImpl are likely to get commented on in code review

and it's not very representative of what it is

maybe "JSONResponse"?

"JSONResponseCallback"?

Vogel612

That sound so JS..

back to writing doc,...

Pimgd

yeah but "HaxCallable" could be anything

Additionally...

@Override
    public FutureTask<Byte> requestGetDemoValue()
    {
        final DemoComponentImpl component = this;
        final String requestURL = "readExample.json";
        Map parameters = null;
        return requestGet(requestURL, parameters, new JSONResponseCallback<Byte>()
        {

            @Override
            public Byte call() throws Exception
            {
                JSONObject result = getResult();
                if (result.has("response"))
                {
                    JSONObject response = result.getJSONObject("response");

it looks nice.

I can even refactor it some more...

Now it's like this

@Override
    public FutureTask<Byte> requestGetDemoValue()
    {
        final DemoComponentImpl component = this;
        final String requestURL = "readExample.json";
        Map parameters = null;
        return requestGet(requestURL, parameters, new JSONResponseCallback<Byte>()
        {

            @Override
            public Byte callback(JSONObject result)
            {
                if (result.has("response"))
                {
                    JSONObject response = result.getJSONObject("response");

Vogel612

dem codez...

Wall of text.

Pimgd

... maybe I should take out the result.has("response") if too

yeah I can do that

@Override
public FutureTask<Byte> requestGetDemoValue()
{
    final DemoComponentImpl component = this;
    final String requestURL = "readExample.json";
    Map parameters = null;
    return requestGet(requestURL, parameters, new JSONResponseCallback<Byte>()
    {
        @Override
        public Byte callback(JSONObject response)
        {
            System.out.println(response);
            component.demoValue = (Byte) (byte) response.getInt("demoValue");
            return demoValue;
        }

Look how cleeeean

Cleeeean

Vogel612

12:01

shiny

Dan Pantry

Called into work this morning because my eye is inflamed and irritated (no idea why). Just got a call from my boss asking me "when should I expect you in today". Erk

Yes I know this is better suited in workplace but I don't really want to post a question about it and no one is in their chat >.>

Vogel612

hmm..

Dan Pantry

Indeed

Im currently waiting to go to my doctor, so

Vogel612

Well then you should probably tell him that..

--> I don't know yet, since ...

Dan Pantry

He phrased it in such a way that "I don't know" was not an answer

To give you an idea, he rang me 4 times and then texted me after I had already called into work saying I would not be able to come in..

@RubberDuck hi! I actually use mocks regularly in my test

For C# I use Moq (mo-queue)

Vogel612

12:15

@DanPantry I'd call that harrassment...

Heslacher

You should tell him that he needs to wait until you had been at the doctor. If that isn't satisfying for him, tell him that working in front of a monitor won't make it better but will maybe lead to a longer time sick

Dan Pantry

You definitely don't want to set them up by hand. Moq will only allow you to mock a) virtual methods and b) interfaces and c) abstract classes. As Jeroen pointed out, you definitely don't want to mock too much, but I would say that that has little to do with mocking and more to do with class composition.. if you find yourself needing more than 4 dependencies for a class, it's time to refactor, mocking or not. Moq is fairly simple to use... see below for example of usage

@Heslacher I've already been hen-pecked into saying I'll be in at 3.30

@Vogel612 call it what you want, it won't help me. Upper management has his back

Vogel612

as I know you are planning to resign anyways...

I haven't got anything else to offer :(

Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 I know, it sucks. I didn't want to resign just yet as it's my payday this week and I was looking forward to our christmas pay in december.

but then again I don't quite know the rules on how thtat's handled in our country.

I've asked multiple times for a copy of my contract and it hasn't been refused just.. swept under the rug

Vogel612

neither would I ;)

... that's ... problematic

Dan Pantry

12:19

(I lost my old one in my recent move)

Vogel612

oh carp.

Dan Pantry

Same thing happened with my mental health issues back in june-july

I asked for some time off to go to a mental health counselling session once a week for an hour. It would only be an hour off every monday for 6 weeks

I asked my boss initially and he said he would ask his seniors... a week later and I've heard nothing back so I asked the seniors manually and they say yes. Go figure

Vogel612

how did you ask?

Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 not ideal, I know, I have no idea how I could have lost it as I keep everything in a blue box (think tardis)

Donald.McLean

Greetings, Programs.

Dan Pantry

12:21

@Vogel612 "Hi Steve, I've been recommended by my GP to get some counselling for my depression and anxiety issues that I struggle with (he is aware of these as they HAVE impacted my work before). Would it be alright if I used some of my holiday time to take one hour off every monday at 11am until 12am to go to a counselling session?"

Vogel612

@Donald.McLean Greetings, user

Dan Pantry

@Donald.McLean monking

Vogel612

@DanPantry written?

Dan Pantry

Verbal, but sessions tracked in calendar

Vogel612

I mean asking your bos..

Dan Pantry

12:22

I know.

Vogel612

the first thing I learned is...

Dan Pantry

Yeah, write everything down. I've learned that too.

Vogel612

It's always not quite optimal if you have verbal agreements..

anyways IMO you should've asked your boss before "escalating" it to the seniors

at least once in an email: "Hi Steve, could you please tell me the current 'state of affairs' concerning the issues we discussed in the email from ... ? ... "

Dan Pantry

Well, it was a pressing matter

Pimgd

You can have a counseling session in a single hour?

Dan Pantry

12:27

They turned out be crap, so, no

@Vogel612 I got the feeling he wasn't going to actually ask. I don't use verbal agreements any more but at the time i was under the illusion he wasn't an asshat

Vogel612

@Pimgd hmm.. It turned out nicely with an hour when I was at counselling..

Dan Pantry

They gave me 3 sessions then told me to bugger off because I my state was declining

Pimgd

@Vogel612 Please explain how you intend to get there on time =D

Vogel612

ohh dear the "not an asshat"...

@Pimgd point taken..

well it was at my time in school and I didn't have stuff to do then..

Dan Pantry

@Pimgd The counselling place is within 15 minutes walk of my work. We have lunch at 12, so I would take 11:15 off to get there and then 11:15 to 12:00 for the session, taking away 15 minutes of my lunch break

Vogel612

12:28

so I was mostly killing time until it was ..

Dan Pantry

@RubberDuck Moq example, they have examples on their wiki too

Pimgd

code polish polish polish

it's becoming shiny

Dan Pantry

shiny code is the best code

working code comes as a close second /s

Pimgd

I'm turning 10 lines into 2 lines

@Override
            public Boolean call() throws Exception
            {
                JSONObject result = getResult();
                if (result.has("response"))
                {
                    JSONObject response = result.getJSONObject("response");
                    component.supportsWPSPushButton = (Boolean) (response.getInt("supported") == 1);
                    return supportsWPSPushButton;
                }
                else
                {
                    return null;

@Override
            public Boolean callback(JSONObject response)
            {
                component.supportsWPSPushButton = (Boolean) (response.getInt("supported") == 1);
                return supportsWPSPushButton;
            }

Shiiiiiny~

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RubberDuck

Ahhh. Good @DanPantry. I installed Moq. If I have questions, now I know who to ask. =)

Dan Pantry

12:32

@RubberDuck :-) It's a clever use of expressions, I love Moq. So easy to use

@Vogel612 with regards to the work thing, if I wasn't worried about nov/dec pay I would honestly straight up quit now lol

Now that I've had a weekend to think about what my boss said on the firday I can say in my heart that that is the best decision for me at this point

I need to start coming back onto CR more as well..

Vogel612

12:51

@DanPantry Then I'll be looking forward to that ;)

Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 hah. my focus has mainly siwitch to node now I am afraid

Yuushi

@DanPantry funny, my boss is also called Steve, and is also an asshat

Dan Pantry

@yuushi Does he also have small man syndrome?

Yuushi

@DanPantry nope, opposite in that respect. He thinks he knows everything.

Dan Pantry

Bosses are like that

well, everyone is

Yuushi

12:57

last project he contributed ~700 lines over 9 months

Dan Pantry

For those interested, my eye that I called in sick about

Yuushi

while doing nothing management wise

Dan Pantry

@Yuushi I wrote 3000 lines of code in 3 days after being accused of doing no work

That's a guesstimate as it's calculated from git diff and a lot of the files were binary files and or suo files

not that LoC is a good metric at all

Yuushi

it isn't

but at extreme ends of the spectrum, it can tell you quite a bit

Dan Pantry

true, that

Yuushi

12:59

I pretty much wanted to stab him to death after that contract

Dan Pantry

in the git diff I did it was around 50k additions + deletions, but that was because I removed an unneeded project. it rounded out to be around 3k lines and 67 files added that were useful.. in about 3 days.. but I "do not work" apparently

Pimgd

@Yuushi I'd like to take this time to remind you that chat messages in chatrooms on chat.stackexchange.com are recorded and that these records are publicly accessible and probably admissible in court if combined with browser history and ISP traffic.

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=)

Dan Pantry

I am aware of that, but chat logs have less of a chance of getting it to hot network questions.. :p as for Yuushi.. gl mate lel

Pimgd

It's not the hot network question that gets you, it's divulging your plans online in some chatroom before taking action that does

Dan Pantry

Fun fact, the last 3 answers I wrote on S/O in work during a watercooler break all made it to hot network questions

I know, I missed the @Yuushi bit

Yuushi

13:05

@Pimgd I...don't care :P

Vogel612

as long as nobody kills ~~Scumbag~~ Steve....

Yuushi

I only said I wanted to :P

Pimgd

Oh, thought criminal, are we?

Vogel612

@Pimgd sure... who isn't?

And one day, someone/something will kill Steve. And if it's just the old age

Yuushi

@DanPantry You're likely right to quit. I probably should have

instead I'm working 6 to 6 1/2 hour days. It'll probably bite me in the ass eventually.

Pimgd

13:14

Quit with grace and formulate your reasons for leaving in a manner an future employer can treat as acceptable

You will get the question "why did you leave your last job" at your next interviews

and having a solid answer will help

"My boss was an idiot" is a bad answer =D

Vogel612

"My boss was an absolute prick", too? </sarcasm>

Morwenn

Unless you can prove your point with solid reasons.

Pimgd

I've worked somewhere where I left in the trial period

Yuushi

I usually pick something like "looking for new challenges and new technologies, work wasn't challenging me enough and I was stagnating" or somesuch

Vogel612

and what did you tell them? @Pimgd

Pimgd

13:19

and my reason for it was trifold: 1) They wanted me to learn for 6 months before starting to make any worthwhile contributions. I prefer to spend the first week(s) to just learn the environment, but after that, I do best when learning whilst doing.

2) I have been taught to work in a modern way by my education. This includes the use of version control tools. Not having version control available makes me feel insecure and reduces my work performance.

Yuushi

@Pimgd not having version control available would make me head straight for the door

Pimgd

3) They used Delphi, and I have seen and experienced enough of Delphi programming in that month to see that it doesn't fit my workstyle. Working in Delphi makes me unhappy and unproductive.

They did offer to change, but it was my last day of the trial period, and not quitting on that day meant a 2-month contract cancellation period

Vogel612

aaand you got more than enough reasons...

konijn

Delphi.. I have not used that in ages.. It's been more than a decade

Vogel612

I had ... maybe 3 lessons delphi in HighSchool

after we went through assembler basics and TurboPASCAL

Pimgd

13:23

seriously though, making someone study company policy and Delphi for 6 months

Captain Obvious

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Q: TapeEquilibrium implementation, performance issue

So, I took a test at Codility called TapeEquilibrium. The task description that I recieved can be seen here. I came up with a solution that worked, and I was pretty happy with. However, the performance was apparently awful. The expected time complexity is apparently supposed to be O(N), but I go...

c# performance

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Q: Recommended DAO package structure

When creating a package structure for DAO in spring/hibernate project, what is the recommended approach? Should Interface and Implementing class be on same package or different package? Or What will be advantages/disadvantages of being in same package or different package? Example: com.company.p...

java design-patterns

Pimgd

before expecting them to work on a huge codebase with classes that can't have more than 8 characters

Without version control?

Is insaaane.

Vogel612

jawdrop ...

Yuushi

yeah...yeah...that's just....yeah.

backs away slowly

Vogel612

why slowly?

Pimgd

13:25

I knew something was wrong when mom said "go to work" and I started crying "I don't want to"

Vogel612

begins running as if the devil was on his heels

Pimgd

though I have to add that's in a period without any programming at all

The actual story is slightly different;

On the last day of my trial period, I was still indecisive

I had a couple demands:

I wanted to see version control, I wanted to feel productive, and I wanted to get involved more.

I felt guilty that all I had done in a single month was write a colorpicker class

their response was that "It's okay, we don't expect you to produce anything for the first 6 months anyway. It takes time to integrate with our way of working."

About version control: "We can't rush these kind of things. Next door to you, there's a team working on a new project, and they're using mercurial. If it works out, we will start using it for our other projects. But you have to understand, right now we don't have the resources to migrate the project you're working on into an untested version control system."

Well when do you know if it works?

"After the initial release we should know enough. The release is scheduled to be in about 6 months."

Dan Pantry

@Pimgd I'm going to lie about it but I am going to be professional about it. I'll simply state that it was not a good ideological/cultural fit (it isn't) and let that be the end of it

Vogel612

That sounds like a good idea..

Pimgd

@DanPantry then be prepared to describe your preferred ideologies/culture because you've just raised a red flag

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Vogel612

13:33

Btw could I request some more CV's on the "Recommended DAO package structure" question?

Dan Pantry

@Pimgd Something that doesn't view manual testing as the be-all-end-all, and somewhere that respects my professional opinion - or at least takes it into account

Vogel612

that's definitely a reasonable ideology

Pimgd

"somewhere that respects my professional opinion - or at least takes it into account" is laced with venom

Dan Pantry

For the purposes of this chat, yes

I am going to recite this chat word for word when appplying for my next position :P

Pimgd

I think that's a bad idea =D

Dan Pantry

13:34

lol

Vogel612

hmm how about "Constructive Discussion"

Dan Pantry

definitely a more succinct term for it

Pimgd

You've said before how your preferred workstyle is TDD, right?

Useeeeee it.

Dan Pantry

@Pimgd I will. Yeah, my workstyle is TDD.

Unfortunately my boss does not want me to use TDD/write automated tests. Therein lies the issue. To the point where he got upper management involved when I wrote a few unit tests just to test functionality that otherwise would be difficult to test otherwise (i.e, manual debugger)

Pimgd

"I prefer to use TDD, - you know, test driven development, write tests first, then code - because it ensures that what I build is solid. At my last job, they wanted me to manually test everything. Now, I don't have a problem with manually verifying the code - tests aren't everything, sure, but to abolish automated testing altogether, like what happened at my last job... well..."

Dan Pantry

13:39

Precisely

Thanks, btw. I do sometimes have problems putting thoughts into words

Vogel612

That's a thing you're learning with experience anyways..

Pimgd

"That just makes me feel insecure. I take pride in my work. I built it, and it's on me if it breaks. To not have a set of automated tests to verify that what I just built works... to not have those tests makes me unhappy and unproductive."

Dan Pantry

> unproductive

this

I hate this chat formatting so much

Pimgd

Guess why it's at the end of the sentence

Unproductive -> less money.

Businesses know money.

Yuushi

@DanPantry that is pants on head retarded.

Dan Pantry

13:41

@Yuushi His rationale was that it would take longer to test by doing it in an automated fashion

@Pimgd Aye

Yuushi

@DanPantry wut.

Pimgd

If you prepare your reasons for leaving a previous job you'll do better in an interview

Dan Pantry

Well, you do have the overhead of writing tests, which is fair enough... but it takes longer to spin up a debugger in a program of this scale

Pimgd

If I leave responses in that area to my impulsive self, well...

Dan Pantry

@Pimgd I've had these reasons down for months now, and have attended a few job interviews already. It has just gotten to a tipping point.

Pimgd

13:42

You get answers that have sarcasm or hate embedded in them

Yuushi

@DanPantry well, sure, until you change the program and then need to do the debugging all over again

Dan Pantry

Though admittedly, not worded as I would like

@Yuushi: Exactly.. or the database connection flakes out or the blue moon rises.. we had 50 test cases that I wrote an automated test to test at least half o fthem in a day (they were all variants of one another so I just used xunit's data-driven attributes)

konijn

@DanPantry What's the split between tests/actual code in % of output for you ?

Dan Pantry

@konijon I don't really have a metric but I can pull up a sample project if you would like to see for yousrelf

Usually I write a test for anything that needs testing within reason.. before I start a new class? yup, test. Before I start a new feature? automated acceptance test

konijn

in high order, like 50/50 or more like 75/25 ?

Dan Pantry

13:44

60/40, maybe a little higher - I definitely write more tests than business code

I don't go for 100% coverage as that takes too long but certainly 90 - 95%

Vogel612

Which is actually fairly low..

Dan Pantry

It's an empirical guesstimate

I have never thought of that statistic before

Vogel612

Currently in my project we got... 70/30 Test /productive..

Dan Pantry

to put it another way I have at least 1 test for every method of every class in my project

Vogel612

and we're at about 25% coverage

Pimgd

13:45

I don't have any tests in my current project...

Dan Pantry

(that isn't a wrapper around a 3rd party project, like an ISocket interface for Socket for example)

Pimgd

because it's mainly a communication library

Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 this is a man that doesn't want me to write any automated tests at al

Pimgd

it's a bit hard to test the code when most of it is gluing two libraries together

Vogel612

hey you set it in stone: Write it down: "I recommended against manual testing, because my experience suggests it's prone to bugs."

Captain Obvious

13:47

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Vogel612

and then do what he said. If the thing blows up, you're out of it...

Dan Pantry

@Vogel612 This is where the professional opinion part comes into it.

My boss simply doesn't care for mine.

Vogel612

But you got black on white: I recommended against it.

Dan Pantry

on friday it was a literally - my way or the high way - sort of thing.

Yeah, I will do that. However the way I see it is that it won't help me in the long run;

Vogel612

then he's a retard and deserves losing a valuable employee like you are one

Pimgd

13:48

highways are fun, you get to drive fast

Dan Pantry

Either the project we are on gets finished on the 8th doing his method and it ends up being ludicriously buggy which I know it will

Or we do it my way and I get fired for not listening to him - but it gets delivered on time in a decent quality

I suppose if I'm intending on resigning I have nothing to lose anyway

Pimgd

Do the manual test.

Yes, it sucks.

Dan Pantry

its not really a case of "it sucking". I've done TDD for so long now manual testing feels quite alien to me

I mean, yeah, it does suck, but that's not what is preventing me from doing it

Pimgd

But "I need to do things my way" is not a healthy attitude

Dan Pantry

I understand that. :P

Pimgd

13:52

and can be viewed as undesirable employee attributes by future employers

Dan Pantry

I don't see it as needing to do things my way, but if I have to deliver something in just over 2 weeks in a tested and quality standard as expected by a £1mil contract customer

I would prefer to use a method I already employ than have to use something I haven't used in a long whlie

I will do it his way, of course

Pimgd

Additionally, try and see if you can get someone to help you

supporting argument is "two pairs of eyes are better than one"

Dan Pantry

Unfortunately there's only 3 of us in the IT team, including him. And both of them have their own work to get on with in the next 2 weeks, so there's no resource

Pimgd

if you're gonna manually test things a buddy might help

hmmh bah

Dan Pantry

I have a matrix of things that need to be tested

a kind of high level functionality test spec as itwere

Pimgd

13:54

Okay.... if possible, save the results

Dan Pantry

aye aye cpt

Pimgd

then you at least can show that it did X with inputs Y

and maybe you'll look at it enough to spot any mistakes

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