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REFRESH! There are 7306 unanswered questions (90.5126 answered)

2:14 AM

there's actually another site for reviewing working code: codereview.stackexchange.com — jhnc 59 secs ago

Hi @pacmaninbw! Thanks for contributing. Indeed, there are cases where iterative implementation works better than recursion. I remember that factorials are a good example even though there are not a data structure, wish I had an example with data structures now. BTW I tried to read your code review question but I didn't understand it, so I'll keep going working on my skills to be able to read code like that — Juan Jáuregui 12 secs ago

Captain Obvious

3:02 AM

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Q: For loop to download files once and verify them on each invocation

The complete script works as expected. I am able to download and verify the files. If the file is all ready present verification is retested and downloads if necessary. I'm in the process of teaching myself bash/sh scripting. Is there a cleaner way I can implement the following section of sh scri...

linux sh

Duga

I’m voting to close this question because there is another site for reviewing working code: codereview.stackexchange.com — Nic3500 30 secs ago

This may be more on topic for code review SE. Be sure to take their tour if you're new to the site. — ggorlen 21 secs ago

Duga

3:52 AM

possible answer invalidation by saxbophone on question by The Compile-Time Comedian: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/285218/revisions

Mast

4:59 AM

I was the first question that I asked. Can you explain what I am asking here? — Mansour Dalir 3 hours ago

Language barrier.

If anyone can fix that up, I'll be back later today.

Captain Obvious

5:35 AM

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Q: Extracting area of the clusters of specific coordinates

I am working in GEE and I am trying to extract areas of clusters for some specific coordinates. I have a clustered map of the area and a list of coordinates. I am trying to extract values of those clusters whose coordinates are available. I have tried this approach but it isn't giving me the area...

python clustering geospatial google-earth-engine

Duga

7:21 AM

This question might be more suitable for code review.se — mousetail 16 secs ago

Duga

7:36 AM

Is this more a question for Stack Code Review rather then overflow? Here we tackle problems, where in review they can help you with something like this a little better without people getting a little (lot) narky — Simon Price 15 secs ago

Duga

9:11 AM

I’m voting to close this question because it belongs to codereview.stackexchange.com — Michael Butscher 34 secs ago

Captain Obvious

9:48 AM

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Q: Computation of average speed in Python

someone can help me with this code? I'm trying to compute the average speed every 100 m, starting from a list of spans that contains [distance, time, avg speed]. This is what I've tried to do, and seems to work pretty well (can you confirm?). The problem is that the code is a little bit bulky, an...

python performance

pacmaninbw

12:49 PM

@Duga Does not invalidate either of the answers.

Duga

1:27 PM

@Mast I have read CR's What topics can I ask about here? (again) and I don't see why it wouldn't fit there. — Michael Butscher 42 secs ago

Duga

2:04 PM

@SimonPrice This question would be closed on Code Review as being too hypothetical. It is not real code from a real working project based on the type names. — pacmaninbw 23 secs ago

Duga

2:39 PM

...if what you want is just general-purpose code review, instead of a solution to a narrow, specific technical problem, we have a separate site for that: Code Review. — Charles Duffy just now

Duga

3:59 PM

@MichaelButscher You might as well review it then, it's posted on CR now — Mast 57 secs ago

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Mast

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skiwi

4:15 PM

Monking

Captain Obvious

4:34 PM

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Q: Julia Set Animation

I am new here as well as new to python and I was looking for a little help with this animation. Currently, my code outputs 10 graphs instead of an html5 video with 10 frames. Ultimately, I would like to be able to specify the number of frames and watch this julia map evolve over that time period....

python graph animation fractals

Mast

The Code of Conduct has been updated as of today (May 31)

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Mast

4:50 PM

@CaptainObvious RBA

Simon Forsberg

5:16 PM

Why didn't anyone tell me there was a brainfuck zombie waiting to be slayed?

Sᴀᴍ Onᴇᴌᴀ

@SimonForsberg there are 3 others

do you care about kotlin ? there are 69 of those

pacmaninbw

@SimonForsberg Slayed another zombie.

Simon Forsberg

5:32 PM

@SᴀᴍOnᴇᴌᴀ The others are brainfuck interpreters, not brainfuck code.

@SᴀᴍOnᴇᴌᴀ I'm monitoring all the incoming Kotlin questions, might go through some of the zombies over time.

@Mast What changed?

Mast

@SimonForsberg Hah, first thing I asked them is whether they were going to make a changelog.

Simon Forsberg

@Mast It would for sure make the reading investment so much shorter.

git diff is underrated.

Mast

There are a lot of sub-page now.

The version of 4 days ago can be found on the Wayback Machine

skiwi

@SimonForsberg Because code takes two levels of crazy!

Mast

TL;DR: Things got longer. More examples have been provided and if you found the previous one restrictive, you're going to love (/s) this one.

Most of the links you'll see in the new CoC were not subpages before.

Simon Forsberg

5:41 PM

@Mast eh, I'll keep doing the same as before and adapt if anyone gives me a warning or informs me about what I'm doing wrong.

Mast

Especially pages like sensitive content, self harm and inauthentic usage are either new or used to be unlinked.

@SimonForsberg You'll be fine. There's a lot of rule lawyering afoot, but that shouldn't concern the average upstanding citizen.

For the bigger sites, there were some concerns about suspensions being handed out for no obvious reason (there were still good reasons, they simply weren't obvious for some people) and situations that technically weren't against the CoC yet that should've been.

Considering we've always used the unofficial rule that at some point, you're not breaking a rule but the community, this wasn't a problem for smaller sites yet.

SE is adamant that some things should be more strictly codified.

Which is a bit of a hassle for moderators, but on average shouldn't impact the users much.

However, there's also a strike incoming.

Not necessarily about this, but more about the recent upheaval about how the CEO and Team talk about AI participation.

And the disrespect to the community.

This could be '19 all over again.

So, fun.

For some values of fun.

pacmaninbw

5:57 PM

@Mast How do they balance the AI stuff with the inauthentic usage?

Mast

They do not.

pacmaninbw

Kindling dumpster fires.

Mast

Oh, this is beyond kindling already.

pacmaninbw

How can you have a rule about inauthentic usage and allow AI input?

Mast

6:15 PM

You think logic has anything to do with this.

I can understand the confusion.

But if you're ever foolish enough to get a diamond to your name, you'll find out SE and logic don't always go hand in hand.

RMunroe

We were able to replicate and confirm prior authors' detection of a moon orbiting the Earth with high confidence.

Mast

We removed the automatic postings of the blog because it was a load of horse pucky lately, but consider the following posted today:

CEO Update: Paving the road forward with AI and community at the center

Prashanth Chandrasekar on May 31, 2023

With all the significant changes in the industry, one thing has remained the same: companies are committed to driving productivity and efficiency throughout their organizations, and we continue to help our customers and community deliver both.

Once you filter out the buzzwords, there's nothing of value left.

@RMunroe Earthlike stars and exoplanets in our solar system? Yea, that would be weird...

The dictionary would like a word with you.

Simon Forsberg

@Mast yeah, I read all the comments on the "AI moderation policy update". I definitely got the feeling that "Oh, it's drama happening on SE again"

Mast

@SimonForsberg And that's the public drama.

Simon Forsberg

@Mast I'm pretty sure that's published for the shareholders and the press, not the community.

Mast

6:25 PM

It is.

And as long as it's just buzzword bullsh** bingo that has no bearing on what we do, nobody cares.

But this time, it's all related.

There are more changes incoming.

skiwi

Winter is coming.

Mast

Academics already lost a mod over the upheaval.

Others are presumably writing their letter of resignation.

Aria Harper

Someone needs to put a stop to calling generative models "AI"

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Mast

Others want to be fired over this.

@AriaHarper It's a lot of A and not enough I.

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I know.

We used to call every 'machine' that did something pseudo-intelligent AI.

Names change.

Aria Harper

"AI" A computer or program that tries to do something you thought only you could do

Mast

6:30 PM

Used to be that every computer player in a game, even as simple as tic-tac-toe, was considered AI.

Simon Forsberg

@Mast I still call them AI and I will continue to do so.

Aria Harper

Genetic algorithms too are like... "That's not intelligent tho, it doesn't "learn", it just... brute forces... somewhat efficiently"

Simon Forsberg

(even though I know they're not "real" AI)

Mast

Even the current LLM are not 'real' AI.

Simon Forsberg

@AriaHarper And doesn't the neural networks do the same thing? All they do is optimize a function to minimize the loss function.

@Mast Especially not when they do this:

You would think that a language model would know spelling, but nope...

Aria Harper

6:34 PM

That's the neat part, it doesn't know. It just guesses the next token, really, really, really well.

Except for when it doesn't guess really well.

Mast

@SimonForsberg Ask it for 5 examples of anything at all. Count them.

It usually defaults to 6.

skiwi

Meanwhile I can use ChatGPT efficiently to reformat some stuff for me, it mostly saves some time

Mast

Last week I asked it to vectorize a couple of nested for-loops for me and it came up with dataframes that didn't exist.

Aria Harper

The ironic part is that since it was trained on data from the internet, the types of content it's really good at generating is the type of content they don't want it to generate.

Meanwhile the industry is split between making models to make believable answers, and making other models to distinguish fake answers from real ones.

Mast

The general consensus is that if you want good data to be trained on SE, you shouldn't allow AI on SE.

Otherwise the AI will just train itself on AI.

@CaptainObvious @pacmaninbw Maybe you'll like this one.

skiwi

6:43 PM

@Mast I know C++, but this.. screams internally

Mast

Yea, but pac knows a bit more C++ than you do :-)

skiwi

I'm not that familiar with modern C++

I realized today that unit tests are pretty dang useful if you want to be able to review efficiently

Thinking that you know that the code does what it says and verifying that the code does what it says are two different things

Aria Harper

@skiwi It can get really bad with low level languages too, because sometimes they let you do some really cursed stuff.

Mast

@skiwi I used to be a hardware test engineer. I know the feeling :-)

skiwi

In the past it usually wasn't an issue because there was no formal review process

Aria Harper

6:49 PM

When they do finally figure out AI, it's just going to be a simulation of a brain (a true neural network) on a computer...

From a coding perspective, I'd think that'd be pretty easy to do (We already know how neurons in animals work). But I know the scaling is horrible.

skiwi

It wouldn't surprise me if the brain works similar to the AI we see these days but then on a vastly superior level

Maybe the brain also guesses the next token very very well ;)

Aria Harper

The language processing part of your brain is only one piece of the puzzle :3

I mean, current AI models are layered. They have no state (minimal state, reset after every run).

The brain is just a mess of neurons connected to each other, with some general guidelines for connections across different sections to allow communication.

Mast

As long as there is this concept of a soul we don't understand, we have no idea about how a human brain actually functions.

Aria Harper

Emergent behavior

We know the mechanisms of individual neurons, and how they interact with each other

Stick a couple billion of them together and it controls a flesh mech

Add some more, you might just get the ability to develop unique languages

The human species as a whole isn't really ready for a true AI yet, tbh. We have too many disagreements.

skiwi

I hadn't thought about yet... think of the human brain, but a thousand times more powerful

Mast

7:04 PM

@AriaHarper I think it took another world war before we reached Star Trek levels of agreement.

Aria Harper

@skiwi Think of a human brain, that survives multiple generations.

Mast

Currently politics is too much focussed on borders.

Aria Harper

Hundreds or thousands of years.

Mast

Get rid of borders and you got a whole lot of unfocussed energy to put on something else.

Captain Obvious

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Q: Identifying trees in text using python nltk

The goal was to identify trees in segmented text conforming to a context-free grammar (CFG) using the python package nltk. The CFG has rules like "DosageP -> substance num amount_unit", and "text1_tokenized" has sublists like ['substance', 'num', 'amount_unit'], which correspond to sublists in “c...

python

skiwi

7:08 PM

@Mast The easiest way to have universal agreement is to have nobody left that can disagree with you

Aria Harper

That's a zero-sum game.

Captain Obvious

9:13 PM

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Q: go: cli app to spin up a cluster

This is my first go project. I've written a cli app to provision a database cluster on docker containers. Below are the flags currently used (to give an idea of its capabilities): version := flag.StringP("version", "v", "", "CBS version") noinit := flag.Bool("noinit", false, "Do not initialize...

go docker

Captain Obvious

10:29 PM

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Q: Coffee Machine practice project

This was simply practice to touch on somethings I have learned. I have also tried to take into account Pep 8 formatting practices to my best ability and applicable advice from my previous posts. It was difficult to keep the indents to 2 levels in. Constructive criticism much appreciated. main.py ...

python beginner

Duga

10:51 PM

Your second question is off-topic here. Questions asking for peer review to improve working code belong on Code Review, which was created specifically for that purpose. — Ken White 27 secs ago

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