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12:00 AM
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yeah..none of those revenu streams sound amazing to me
need to read the accounts
 
the revenue itself isn't actually that bad
 
This, from your link above,...sounds like what it feel like
"The CMs have been actively told (read: commanded) that they cannot empathise with the community, a wedge is being driven between us, the community and our points of contact with the company, the CM team."
 
it's just ... not something the VCs behind a company like to see
@OliverSchonrock yea, that's been a smouldering issue behind the curtains for quite some while now
 
sorry, you mean : revenue= OKish...but not hockey stick => unhappy VC ... ?
 
12:04 AM
yea, basically
 
if that's the case, that makes lots of sense, and that might be driven some of the weird anti community decision from central
 
SO didn't used to aim for hockey stick type revenue graphs, which was a good starting idea
and it allowed multiple strong and cohesive communities to form
 
when did they get VC funding?
not at the beginning?
 
years and years back
not directly at the beginning, no, but reasonably quickly after
 
right...so the "we don't aim for hockey sticks", was a philosophy...not a fact
philosophy always gets overtaken by facts...of the financial variety
 
12:07 AM
actually... I checked back and there were four VC funding rounds
 
bascially they know they are hosed and are in the last twicthing throws & making a bunch of bad decisionsa
 
the first was two years after founding (in 2010), and then in 2011, 2013 and the last in 2015
 
right..and nothing for 5yrs
and the money has now run out
 
nah.
 
so the mgmt team is under huge pressure and they are trying to "crisis manage"..and making a bunch of mistakes
 
12:09 AM
the company is highly likely to be profitable, actually
From the public comments of the former CEO it seems that they're aiming for an IPO
 
it has to be more than profitable..it has to produce hckey sticks
 
and they changed CEO three months ago to work towards that IPO
 
wonder what the user graph looks like for SO
yeah I thought that guy was new
anyway...code review..is a totally niche corner, so you guys can basically do what yo want..non one wilkl care
you will be first to get shut down too
if you have flat user graphs..then defiitely
 
the public data dump suggests that SO signups are somewhat plateaued out at 1.5m / yr
 
and the "net"?
 
12:13 AM
I think the cost of shutting small sites down exceeds the cost savings
 
depends if there is manager
a
site costs nothing to run
 
it's not like the company pays a lot to keep the site running, it's basically a single webserver
 
well at 10 questions per week I shouild hope so
 
@OliverSchonrock I mean for all of the sites on Stack Exchange aside from Stack Overflow, you know?
 
but the real cost is in SW. How much does it cost to merge in the updates etc
 
12:14 AM
the cost is probably virtually nonexistent, because the software has been unified.
 
From my experience it doesn't quite work that way, unless they are more clever than me
 
there used to be a lot more cost associated with running the network, but they've unified the codebase there
 
but still the cost will be low
 
Stack Overflow runs on the same code as Code Review
basically, that is
 
yeah it's the "basically" which makes it "non-zero"
anyway..all mute
 
12:16 AM
there's some special cases for Stack Overflow around the SaaS thing as well as the Job platform
everything else is running off of runtime-configurable feature switches
 
my prediction..the IPO will never happen. The whole thing will go tits up. The VCs will be angry, but the community will be sold for a song and then it's a vaiable company. It should never have received VC funding....It's just a fancy forum..
 
I think you're vastly underestimating what the enterprise versions bring in as revenue
The company doesn't make the money based on users
but eh
 
That might be...but that's a "separate business" really....it might get spun out...still not worth the VC money which must be in the 10s of millions after 4 rounds...the public community os not moneytisable
 
@OliverSchonrock 68M
 
ouch
and they want 10x
righto
 
12:20 AM
Actually the public community is monetizable through ads
Ads alone pull in close to 30M pa in revenue
 
love to know what the ad rev is
never seen one
 
Apparently the current revenue is close to 70M$
 
oh wait ... i run uBlock origin
it's a dev community
 
you have an overconfident inference there...
 
what does that mean?
 
12:22 AM
there's millions of devs out there that don't use uBlock or similar tools
just because you (and probably most people you know) use something like that, it's not reasonable to infer that this applies to the visitor base of Stack Overflow at large
 
do they pay the moderators at the top?
sure, I agree
 
"moderators at the top"?
 
i dunno..there is probably someone (or 10) who works for SO and "manages the colunteer moderator community"
 
yea... 5 people
 
you know the person that fired Monica..or whoever that was
 
12:25 AM
~twitch
 
Anyway, it's been nice chatting. I think the idea of CR is great. I think the fomat is challenging, because it's hard to put "relevant amount of real code" in the space/time available, but it just about works...ish.
I think because it's hard, it is and probably will remain niche
and the "huge range of rules" and their enthusiastic enforcement (where it is feels like many of them were written because one question went wrong 5 years ago)...is an obstacle to growth. That's my oipnion based on my personal experience over the last 2 months. Sometimes it takes a "semi outsider to say that. So I am . Do with it what you will.

I would put it to you. At 10 questions per week and 20 modeators. it's a not site.
 
we're at ... 4 moderators.
 
I have personally interacted with more than that
at least they acted like moderators
 
everyone else is just normal users that were around for a while and got the ability to do some cleanup
 
from my POV
same difference
from a users POV
moderators set the culture
"active users" act as an amplifier
So anyway, It's late here. Thanks for listening. Maybe some of what I said makes sense to you. Maybe you will even discuss or do some of it.

If not, it's no skin off my nose.

I can write my own questions and the answers for them in a local file with emacs. Then I can invite a mate over for coffee.. Same traffic? ;-)

Have a good one.
 
1:15 AM
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3:23 AM
"Is there a way to make this better."—that's not what Stack Overflow is for. Consider posting on Code Review, after taking their tour and reading their "How to Ask" page. — Chris 18 secs ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it belongs on Code ReviewChris 56 secs ago
 
 
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5:41 AM
Monking
 
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7:25 AM
@OliverSchonrock What you could do, is compare the "A year on moderation" posts posted on most metas to compare some measure of site-activity, should you be really interested in that.
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Q: 2019: a year in moderation

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Q: 2019: a year in moderation

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CR, Writing and Avation, as pseudo-random examples.
@Duga Another poor migration. Not touching that.
 
7:40 AM
possible answer invalidation by oscarfrederiksen on question by oscarfrederiksen: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/236097/revisions
possible answer invalidation by Martin R on question by Utkarsh Sharma: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/236190/revisions
 
7:56 AM
@Mast @Mast
@Mast @mast Haven't understood your numbers. But this morning the "policy" of putting off new users continues: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/236212/… 2 "incorrect" and "hostile" comments, by an experienced user/.moderator....another one bites the dust? I see this every day.
 
As this is basically working code, you might find better answers on CodeReviewgermi 41 secs ago
 
8:18 AM
@OliverSchonrock They aren't my numbers, I just provide the link to them.
 
@Mast sure. I meant "the numbers you provided". More importantly: "the other point"...?
 
As for your classification of the comments, if you disagree with the overall tone of comments on this site and have a bunch of examples, please take them to meta. On meta, policy is discussed and at times even modified.
Over here, a couple of people will read your concerns. On meta, a much bigger portion of the community will.
I'd urge you to keep the question constructive.
 
I am not on a crusade. If people are not interested in having "no users", then I am not going to convince anyone. TBH the reactions I have had so far are that " no we don't care about having no users, because we are implementing the policy". I have tried many "styles" of presenting this "argument". None have drawn a receptive response. If there is no fundamental interest in growing the community from a low base, then I am wasting my breath.
 
I understand how the SE network can feel hard to fit-in as a new user. It's not a forum. It's Q&A. And that means having guidelines and a policy that's more strict. Even if that has unintended consequences, since the alternative may as well be worse. Of-course, if you know a good middle-road, please share. We might learn something.
 
The question is: "are you open to learning"?
 
8:25 AM
That, of-course, completely depends on what you're offering. If none of it is constructive, I'd be wasting my effort just like you feel you're wasting your breath.
 
Take that specific link above. The question is from a brand spanking new account. The code is competent, it compiles and works from what I can see. And the first comment is a) negative b) wrong. The "constructive" feedback I am giving is that "You should look to encourage new users", not "bark at them with poorly informed" comments. Is that constructive enough?
 
Which 'specific link above'?
 
The exchange on that question is very typical of what I have a) experienced myself and b) seen other new users experience.
 
There are a lot of links on my screen.
 
8:29 AM
@OliverSchonrock To properly review that question, we need additional information. For example, it's tagged both C++ and C, while it definitely looks it's C from a C++ background. So only should survive. The first comment indicates something along those lines. That's not negative, that's willing to help.
Not wrong either.
So no, I don't think your remarks about that comment are constructive. From my point of view, they're borderline harassment.
 
Wrong is the stdio.h comment...it's both negative and wrong
and yes there a question of clarity with C and C++
see my comment
where I try to demonstrate that I have a) made some effort to compile the code and the n ask for clarification
 
All that first comment by L.F. is requesting clarification, to improve the incoming answers.
 
whereas LF (and you) are concerned with the "policy of tagging", which is franbkly immaterial and can be addressed later?>
The stdio comment just a cheap point scoring shot
 
No, tags are not immaterial. They're used by the reviewers to shape their answers.
 
and you have failed to address it
 
8:31 AM
@OliverSchonrock No, it's an honest source of confusion.
 
reviewers will see it's C
it's so fundamental
if that user is confused about stdio and the OP's intent they should refrain from commenting
 
It should be clarified to make sure, otherwise the user may get wrong answers and nobody's happy.
 
I find this a lot: lots of knowledge about policy and (apparently) none about the subject matter
did you see my other comment
the question has been edited twice already
 
I have written more reviews than you, been around here longer than you, so the one without knowledge of what's going on is you. Can you stop with the accusations?
 
no-one has read the code yet
 
8:33 AM
I got work to do. Good day.
 
"i have been here longer than you": That reply is exactly the the issue. You have been modearting a site with no users longer than me, correct. That's the attitude which comes across. No acknowledgemeht that what is happening on that question is very poor. It's negative and wrong.
 
8:51 AM
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This is a question for codereviewCid 25 secs ago
 
10:25 AM
possible answer invalidation by Leonleon1 on question by Leonleon1: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/236188/revisions
IMO, it's better to ask this question on codereview.stackexchange.comPavel Anikhouski 13 secs ago
 
@Duga rolled back
 
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@Heslacher Did you remove one or more comments on the answer as well?
 
nope
 
@Heslacher OK, I guess I'm glad the commentator rethought the comment.
 
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Why is it so much harder to write good code than crap.
 
possible answer invalidation by Ignacio Vergara Kausel on question by Marieke Pasker: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/236198/revisions
 
@Mast Is there really any good code?
 
@Duga Not a great edit, but no invalidation either.
@pacmaninbw Every code you don't have to write.
That's good code.
 
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@Feeds this might actually be interesting
 
possible answer invalidation by Eslam Ali on question by Eslam Ali: codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/236238/revisions
 
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5:20 PM
@Duga looks like response to comments requesting code that benchmarks the performance
 
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