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12:00 AM
'evening
 
I can only imagine what that site's chatrooms are going to be like
hey @Phrancis
 
What... did I just walk into... lol.
 
oh that's nothing
hold on
here
Mar 25 at 1:27, by Doorknob
What an interesting message to walk in on.
 
@Jamal That's definitely gong to fail.... It will have one question/answer.
 
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Trolling

Proposed Q&A site for this site is for any part of Trolling. For those who want to prevent trolling, design systems that discourage trolling, or for people who want to successfully troll others.

Currently in definition.

 
12:02 AM
Is he straight? Yes.
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Computers are so much easier to seduce... SELECT 'You.' AS [I love]; GO
 
it's amazing some of the things people want sites for
 
@DanLyons One SE troll happened to propose a derogatory site (for the sake of trolling, of course).
 
perhaps we can just roll the seduction site into the trolling site
they seem to have the same purpose
 
Maybe we need to make a site about how to effectively ask to make a site on SE...? </sarcasm>
 
12:08 AM
Or a sarcasm site!
 
hmm
I searched for sarcasm and area51 came up with Chinese Language
not sure why that would be a match
with something like trolling, I actually expected there would be one, though
 
oh, a sarcasm site, that's a really useful idea /s
 
^^ maybe we should try to write @Yuushi 's message in as many languages as possible and post it in Trolling
(programming languages)
 
actually, one thing I noticed is that there are a fair number of suggested sites that are just "SE site (in language X)"
 
12:14 AM
@Jamal that sounds like it is from The Onion...
Wish it were TBH
 
@Phrancis サルカスムサイト、本当に便利な思いつきだな
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Yeah @Yuushi I was thinking programming languages lol. But nice Sulcus system site, it's a really useful idea according to Google lol.
SELECT * FROM dbo.Sarcasm WHERE Useful_Idea = TRUE;
(0) rows affected.
 
template <typename Idea> struct is_useful : public std::false_type { };
better? :)
 
Yeah, use backticks though, looks more legit!
template <typename Idea> struct is_useful : public std::false_type { };
 
I always forget to use backticks in chat for some reason
 
12:24 AM
@Phrancis - actually, I think 4-spaces is better:
template <typename Idea> struct is_useful : public std::false_type { };
 
@rolfl looks about the same in chat, but yeah generally
@rolfl you could probably write this in dozens of languages couldn't you lol
 
> You can create 1 more question for this proposal.
hmm...
 
(that sounded weird...)
 
those were all mine <.<
 
12:27 AM
W..t..f..
 
@DaggNabbit Eh, whatever. I think it's just a joke proposal anyway.
 
@Jamal I hope so. If it wasn't, hopefully it's been steered in the right direction.
 
"I keep getting older, but do highschool girls really stay the same age?"
WOW nice.
 
i'll be here all week
 
> I thought this girl liked me but she turned out to be a hooker
 
12:29 AM
@DaggNabbit are you user Yeah?
 
Yeah ;)
 
(that had to be the only possible answer)
 
idk if i can top that first question though
that one's priceless
 
ROFL Has the pickup line "does this rag smell like chloroform" ever been proven to work?
 
obvious trolling
 
12:31 AM
There we go, I thrw in my 2-cents
 
Under the tag ?
 
> Why do nice guys finish last?
 
Ladies first?
 
@rolfl define "something else entirely"... nah, nevermind. – retailcoder 0 secs ago
 
I do, but in this context I didn't think anyone would care. I think your over analyzing it - what does it matter what that date represents, it is a date. — OneFineDay 6 mins ago
Am I over analyzing it?
 
12:34 AM
Clearly.
And also *you're
 
lol
 
oh that's actually on-topic!
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@ckuhn203 given the generic-ness of the method, I'd lean towards a yes ;)
+1 for naming being a bitch and a half in VB.NET
 
It is man.
I might have gone overboard with "Why do we have a stargate and an operating system?"......
 
No, not overboard. Nice answer, defensive asker.
 
TTTOTTAOAB
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(time to take out the trash and open a beer)
 
12:40 AM
I like the stargate and operating system remark, it makes a clear point
 
I was trying to be funny about it. I guess it got lost in translation. shrugs Oh well.
I kind of want to see Trolling go into beta. It'd be fun while it lasted.
 
what's a Field in VB.NET?
 
I'm assuming it's an ado field.
 
I only get results for fields vs properties -type of "vb.net field" google results...
ah, yes, "nullField is a String that = 0:00:00 an empty TimeSpan found in DB."
found in DB points to that, indeed
maybe
 
Like I said, this is just an example I need to optimize if poss. not here to fix the naming convention - that comes later. — OneFineDay 6 mins ago
 
12:55 AM
yeah saw that one, ...I held back.
I copied his code into my IDE, using Ctrl+R,R furiously
 
@ckuhn203 Well what comes later might be forgot. I hate that excuse, there is a lot of things I say myself I will do it later, those are still waiting to be done.
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I've gotta go. I'll let you guys decide if it's off topic or not.
 
later!
 
How do you guys deal with expletive ly bad data? I'm looking at a SQL table where IDs are derived from a seeding table (super bad idea), IDENTITY values are VARCHAR, creation_date may or may not be NULL, sales may be present regardless of creation_date being NULL or not, and multiple duplicate accounts... sigh I need a better job.
 
@Marc-Andre If I had a nickel for everything I was supposed to go back and do later......
@Phrancis I was going to suggest a new job, but I see you've figured that out.
Seriously this time. I've gotta go. Cya guys.
 
1:00 AM
Bye @ckuhn203
 
@OneFineDay According to the rules of this site, answers can review any aspect of the code, not just the ones you ask about. One reviewer thinks that your naming can be improved, and judging from the votes, five others agree. I'd suggest that you consider that as valuable feedback. Whether you end up implementing the suggested changes is a private matter for you to decide. — 200_success ♦ 1 min ago
@Phrancis Try slapping a bunch of constraints on the data, and see what fails. Create a test database with a sane schema, see if the old data can be transformed into the sane schema using a INSERTs and UPDATEs. Refactor. (Also get a new job anyway.)
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Good advice. Temp tables OK for this type of purpose, at least temporarily? I kind of wish I could create a temp schema, don't think there is such a thing though. @200_success
 
sure there is
create a schema and delete it later
 
Yeah, that far exceeds my access permissions though :(
But good to know
I can just barely access a Reporting server, and only dbo schema (as far as I know)
 
1:17 AM
can you just hook it up to a sqlite schema or something for testing?
 
On the average computer, yes I could. But our work computers are locked down worse than bank vaults, it seems.
I tried to install Notepad++ and I got blocked. Gives you an idea.
 
don't you have a home directory where you can store files though?
 
Maybe...? How do I check?
 
is it a windows box?
 
Is "what" a Windows box?
 
1:20 AM
your dev machine
maybe i'm not understanding your setup
you do have a dev box and some kind of deployment routine don't you?
 
Maybe that's the case, I'm not even using a dev machine.
 
Yeah welcome to my world.
Anyways, I'm not too worried about it (for reasons stated earlier)
 
is this a web app?
 
Running SSRS as web app (no other way)
 
1:23 AM
oh, SSRS, missed that
yeah can't help you there
 
On... IE8 I think. Only approved browser where I'm at. Sucks.
 
now i'm confused
 
hey at least it's not IE6!
 
i mean the actual thing you're working on, not whatever you use to manipulate the database
 
The good side of the bad side, eh?
 
1:26 AM
> This proposal has been deleted.
:(
 
@Mat'sMug No, but it's still IE and it's still three major versions out of date...
 
@DaggNabbit it's SQL Server. The execution seems heavily weighed down by SSRS ran as a web app, let alone IE8, but yes the data itself is deplorable and barely usable, and I'm trying to clean it up.
 
@JerryCoffin point ;)
 
@Mat'sMug the company just upgraded from XP to 7 about a year ago. Goes to show you.
 
IT is an expense right?
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1:32 AM
I would like to think it as an investment but some people disagree... ;)
Also @Mat'sMug you need to write a sarcasm line of code now.
 
a sarcasm line of code now
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</sarcasm>
 
Works for me
INSERT INTO Phrancis (time,location) VALUES (CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, 'bed'); GO
Bye
 
'night!
 
later!
nigth in fact
 
@Phrancis They're not letting you have a development database? Not even a new database on the same server? That's insane.
 
1:59 AM
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2:39 AM
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3:41 AM
@ckuhn203 I hope I get the naming point across: codereview.stackexchange.com/a/55407/23788 ;)
 
@Jamal reopen-worthy?
 
Better than before.
 
yeah just looked at the history.
reopen vote cast
hehe
your fun! I owe you a beer. — OneFineDay 33 secs ago
 
4:01 AM
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TTGTB - 'night @all (and thanks @Santa!)
 
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4:40 AM
morning @all
 
hey @Donald.McLean
 
hi
 
@chillworld How are things over in the Low Countries?
 
Very good, w are doing great at the WK
next match is versus your country
 
4:50 AM
May you lose with style and grace.
 
We will see. USA has grown also over the years
I hope Kompagny is recovered from his injury
 
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6:15 AM
someone here?
 
More or less
 
you know something of JPA?
 
No :/
 
k, I have a stupid problem and wanted to check if mine suspicion is correct
 
What are you building?
 
6:20 AM
On the DB there are triggers for setting the user who created or altered the fields.
We give user ID in enrichment of the request.
On dev => all oke. (http)
On acc => trigger fails : user not found. (https)
So I wanted to know if client-server is https, is server-DB also https?
 
Slightly out of my domain!
 
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no problem :) like I said stupid problem and for someone who knows prob stupid question
 
6:45 AM
Monking#
what we already have 10 questions??
damned meta-tags
 
wait until we make a zk tag :p
if you make that tag, I make a discussion in the zk forum for CR
 
7:01 AM
lol DIY ;)
 
:D
what time I should leave work today 11AM or 12AM
 
@chillworld what about that approve?
 
it was review
I approved it also
but wanted to show here so more people could approve (didn't know you already did)
 
@chillworld most ppl here are also on CR simultaneously ;)
 
I know, in case you didn't saw it :p
vogel, do you know the answer of mine question (just before you came)
 
7:15 AM
I can't make much of the description you gave..
what exactly is the problem??
"on dev => all k ; on acc => trigger fails" doesn't say much..
 
question is actually do JPA go over https if client - server is https?
 
no clue...
 
bah, leave it, just saw that there must be a problem with the enriching the connection
 
my hibernate stuff runs i on the same server via tcp...
 
put extra logging on it
on dev : lot's of "enriching connection with id : ...."
on acc I see that only on a server shutdown :s
 
7:22 AM
2 mins ago, by Vogel612
no clue...
;)
 
Monking @all
 
I'll figure it out, prob I will be the first to discover the problem and the prototype project must be updated
 
8:16 AM
Hi it's ok to post question here not by question on site?
 
@Dudi: Can you ask that more clearly?
 
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8:32 AM
you can ask around here yes
 
8:47 AM
@Nobody Yea I ask by ask on site :)
 
@Dudi: That was not what I meant. I meant that I did not understand your question ("Hi it's ok ...")
 
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@Nobody Oh.. :) So I ask if it's ok if I ask about best practices here rather than by "ask question" on site. Hope that is more clear :)
 
@Dudi: I don't see anyting about best practices in your initial chat post. IIRC best practice questions are borderline off topic on CR
 
@Nobody if @dudi provide his whole code and ask review with the best practice question it would be on topic
 
8:58 AM
@chillworld: yeah, hence borderline
I feel that the words best practice don't match up well with a specific code in question
 
but I can't figure out why he need a pojo and another pojo that extends a pojo. (or it must be DB specific)
 
IMHO best practices are geared towards general applicability
 
time to go to home ;)
 
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@CaptainObvious: Is this offtopic? It is asking for C to C++ translation (so like gimme the codez)
 
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Finished that FindMiddleStack<T> answer.
 
10:19 AM
anyone here??
 
Nope, nobody is around here :P
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@Vogel612: Since when?
 
well not from me... since always..
 
@Nobody Here, have a star.
 
10:25 AM
Hello and welcome to Code Review! Unfortunately, the behavior you describe is part of the library you use, thus this is not your own code, and thus yor question is IMO off-topic as of our help center. You may find help in user-forums... — Vogel612 56 secs ago
meh.. Y U NO Onebox comment shortlinks?=?
 
Note to self: Do never, ever, again, click on random IP addresses mentioned on a forum in a seemingly legit post.
 
It luckily doesn't seem to have been a virus... But something you wouldn't want others to see, and neither yourself.
Oh, may have been in luck, just checked history to see what it actually opened...
 
I remember some time ago when some pranksters "hacked" blaupunkt.de
 
It's just redtube, most likely no viruses from there.
 
10:29 AM
at first the opened up their internal ftp server to the internet
some minutes later they made the site popup another window with lemonparty content that you could not click away (if you tried to click close the window would jump some 20 pixels)
 
Oh... the old lemonparty trolls, they were known on my middle school like 4-5 years ago... You would go to the bathroom, come back, and have this wonderful thing opened up.
Luckily I was smart and saved documents, etc. (was too stupid to lock the PC though?), so would just do a hard reboot if that happened
 
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Naming is important; writing code is hardly 20% of the job. The other 80% is spent reading code. Might as well make it readable.
^^ yes. Yes yes yes.
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@ckuhn203 if you fix the reply then I can possibly upvote..
 
7 hours ago, by Mat's Mug
@ckuhn203 I hope I get the naming point across: http://codereview.stackexchange.com/a/55407/23788 ;)
 
thanks @Nobody
 
11:14 AM
Hmmmm that's weird.
Stupid mobile browser.
 
11:52 AM
Mobking all.... It's Friday!
 
morning
 
@rolfl Mobking @rolfl!
 
12:05 PM
@rolfl don't you dare...
and Monking...
 
Don't you even dare to do what you want to do!
These Statistics formulas are going way beyond me... And it's just the slides of the second week
I hate to do it, but possibly my only chance to pass the exam is to learn the exam format.
It won't teach me anything, it will get me the paper.
 
@skiwi unfortunately it's that way way too often.
 
"Suppose you are in charge of designing a navigation system for a unmanned aerial vehicle (i.e. a drone)."
Well... I don't think that would be a good idea if it's going to depend on Statistics ;-)
 
@ckuhn203 markdown does not work in tag-wiki excerpts.
 
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12:29 PM
@Vogel612 Sad face.
Sorry about that.
 
12:47 PM
Wondering why loading in a game was so slow... Turns out the virus scan was using 100% of my hard drive :D
 
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Morning everyone!
 
Morning @Marc-Andre
 
1:05 PM
@CaptainObvious still off-topic..
 
I'm going to find the person who decided that this was a good idea. Dim s as ADODB.Recordset.
That's it, just "s".
 
aww yea...
 
Does everyone have a code file where the whole purpose is to just get in and out as fast as possible without breaking it?
 
Not sure I understand that question
 
Oh, you know. That legacy piece of code that you inherited. It's terribly designed. Complete spaghetti. It's so bad that any change at all may topple the whole house of cards.
Or is that just me?
 
1:21 PM
@ckuhn203 Not just you.
Just ask @Mat'sMug ;-)
 
lol. That makes me feel better. Misery loves company.
I've been iteratively improving it as I have an excuse to, but.. Let's just say I wish I could post it here.
 
It is all about priorities. As much as it is nice, and principled, and satisfying to have brilliant, elegant, and structured code that is easily readable.... the actual process of getting htere is time consuming, and challenging.
In the world of $$$, the truth is that you live by the 80/20 rule.
It is more important to get some other functionality to the point where it is 80% working, than to get 20% of the functionality 100% beautiful.
So, in a place where someone dictates what you work on (you have a boss), and you have competing requirements, it is inevitable that your code will never be complete.
You will also move on to other things, and not be able to come back and fix things.
So, it's the next person's job to fix your incompleteness.
 
Absolutely true, but sometimes a mess is just a mess.
 
As much as we like to blame the previous person for writing crap code, the truth is often that, at the time, and the pressures, just etting something working was a significant accomplishement
 
I can't argue with that.
 
1:28 PM
Also, times move on. What was not quite crap code back then, is now crap code.
 
Working is sometimes a bit of a subjective statement though. If you have to go back and fix something once a month, is it really "working".
 
Well, depends who you ask.
Anyway, I have dealt wit a lot of legacy code...... code that, at the time, was brilliant.
I have dealt with code that, at the time was just OK.
I have had those things which you don't touch out of fear that they will never work again.
 
This was one of those for a long time.
 
I know of some products where libraries in those products have not been recompiled in 10 or more years, and the source code may not even exist.
 
Until I had no choice.
Wow.
 
1:31 PM
You cannot touch the code.
and, many of those things are things I wrote.
 
How long have you been programming @rofl?
 
Head's up to everyone. This post has been auto-flagged for having too many comments (so I am going to add another one). Comments are not intended to be a tool for conversations. How about heading off to The 2nd monitor chat room for further dialog. — rolfl ♦ 23 secs ago
@ckuhn203 Since 1992
 
Ha! @rolfl is just a kid. I've been programming since he was too young to even know what a computer is.
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I was 7 years old in 1992. I think that was about the time I got my VTech and was introduced to BASIC.
 
1988 if you count since I was a kid at home with my dad's 640KB double-full-hight-floppy IBM pc,
 
1:37 PM
I took my first programming class in 1976.
 
Y'all make me feel like a pup.
 
lol @ckuhn203 and what am I supposed to say??
I wasn't even born in 1992...
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^^^ something that looked about like that.
 
@ckuhn203 We are as old as we are. It's one of those things that is outside our control.
 
@Donald.McLean - I did play LOGO on an Apple IIe in ...... 1984 or so.
 
1:40 PM
Ohhhhh Oregon Trail. I played a ton of Oregon Trail in grade school.
 
@rolfl Our first home computer was an Apple II+, circa 1978 or 1979. No floppies. Tape storage.
Though my parents did get floppies a couple years later, and even, IIRC, a 15 MB hard drive.
 
My dad was a 'cutting-edge type guy in a large multi-national accountancy/auditing company.
 
Tapes! Wow. That's cool.
 
@ckuhn203 - ^^^ that would have been audio cassettes with data stored on them.
 
lol. Yes. I know.
 
1:42 PM
Though my first programming was FORTRAN 4 on punched cards.
 
There was nothing quite like loading BASIC on a ZX Spectrum, and turning the volume up.
 
@rolfl Now that I know more about how that works, I wonder what modulation scheme they used.
 
@Donald.McLean That's legendary. I've never even seen a real life punch card.
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I just missed the punch-card lifestyle.
whew
 
@ckuhn203 That's not even the oldest tech I've ever used. Worked in an office where we had a real-time plug board computer. The program was on a board, about 2feet by 3feet with a grid of holes and the arrangement of the wires on the board was the program.
@rolfl It was painful.
 
1:46 PM
One of the guys I work with is officially retiring, but contracting back part time.
Retiring after 45 years at IBM.
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@Donald.McLean But I bet it was exciting too. I mean, in 1976 not just anyone even had the opportunity.
 
@rolfl That's a man who has seen some change.
 
Hello, world.
 
It is interesting talking to him.... yeah.
 
s/Hello, world./Monking
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1:49 PM
@ckuhn203 True, but back then, there weren't nothing cool about being a geek.
 
@200_success Re: having access to a DB - Yes it is insane, the red tape in this place is unbelievable.
@200_success in fact even small updates changes to the production DB have to be approved by like 3 departments
 
Hey @Phrancis.
 
@Phrancis That's why I use embedded Derby for development. It's invisible outside your machine.
 
I'll be back in a little bit. It was really cool chatting with you @Donald.McLean.
 
@ckuhn203 Take care. I'll be here all day. :-)
 
1:54 PM
@Donald.McLean I've never heard of that, what is it?
 
Anyone want some SO rep?
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Q: Windows Bitmap encoder only writing bottom few thousand pixels

CaseyThe ReadBmpFromFile/Stream functions work fine. (Still a little slow but they otherwise work). The WriteBmpToFile/Stream functions work in that they successfully create a valid .bmp file but only the bottom few thousands of pixels, the rest of the file is black. It shouldn't be that hard to see ...

(Migrated from Code Review ..... answered as a comment.
 
@Phrancis Derby is a light weight, pure Java relational DB. It was originally developed by a small company, bought by IBM and then donated to the Apache project. db.apache.org/derby
 
You can add a real answer, flag the comment as obsolete, and ..... Profit!
IBM donates a lot..... it's crazy
 
@rolfl this is nasty
 
No, it is not.
If people can't be bothered to answer, as an answer, then what's the point.
Comments are ephemeral.
 
1:59 PM
Well IMO I would feel like stealing ! :P I'll pass !
 

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