Fate chat and game room

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

00:23

@BESW also fate point exchange

trogdor

01:34

man

that was some long session

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

02:36

@BESW comoncomoncomon... dragon

BESW

[blilnk]

Novian

@trogdor If i might say it was also a great session to spectate

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW dragondragondragon

BESW

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Are you asking for another session?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW maaaybe

BESW

02:49

I might be able to do something for you late tonight, but today's pretty busy.

Glad you liked it, though.

Problematic

Get a scale from the dragon to cook in

It's like the best-seasoned cast iron skillet ever

trogdor

lol

I am wondering if I can think of reasons to actually stick with the group

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor don't force it

BESW

That's one of the beauties of the Forest.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

let plot throw us together

trogdor

02:55

lol

mk

BESW

If the Forest thinks two people should meet, they will.

@BrianBallsun-Stanton I would like to get your impressions of the session. Comments/thoughts/compliments/complaints.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW urgbh

Problematic

@BrianBallsun-Stanton scone-induced indigestion?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

brain not in that mode. Let's see..

We need to be better about actually narrating what happens after we drop fate

given how slow chat is, we need to observe the narrative gambit, the mechanical exchange, then the narrative description

cause the 12/9 thing we had never... resolved.

which is why I was sometimes in the air or not

We need better turn-tokens

And esepcially in chat, we need to use marvelous initiative.

I'm a bit confused about how aid another works, too.

Our working doc really sohuld have had all public aspects on it.

And you and I were getting lazy with our approaches.

BESW

It would have been nice if I hadn't been trying to learn a significantly altered version of the system mid-combat.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

03:04

@BESW yes, that.

BESW

03:58

@Problematic, @JonathanHobbs, You've both mentioned designing some kind of web application to help track FATE games.

C. Ross has asked if TableTopForge might not be sufficient. I don't have any experience with it, so I can't say.

doppelgreener

@BESW I don't either, and it requires me to install junk on my PC and use Google Hangouts, whereas I was envisaging just a page you can visit that does junk

BESW

Sounds good to me.

doppelgreener

Using modern JavaScript / HTML / CSS stuff, too, so you won't have to have Flash like power2ool needs

Also, tailored specifically to FATE

Problematic

That's similar to what I was picturing.

doppelgreener

04:29

I'm going to dump my mental image into words: A card, like power2ool's cards. On a work area, with multiple work areas available, like power2ools. You can fill out various details like the high concept and aspects and so on.

Unlike power2ools it can also be used to track characters in mid-combat (well, power2ools does this, but not easily): you have stress pips you can click on or adjust, you can add in mention of your Consequences, and doing so doesn't necessarily involve diving into the giant card editor.

In addition, I understand FATE lets you place aspects on other people, and there might be other stuff like that (I think FATE has the concept of tags too)

BESW

Based on the Bronze Rule, it would be not only good but responsible for each card to have slots for all of the PC features (aspects, stress, stunts, skills/approaches). If a slot isn't filled in, it might fade when the card is in use.

doppelgreener

So in this editor you can also add in an aspect and add a little tab to show who owns it, or show whoever gets a free Compel on it, or whatever

BESW

@JonathanHobbs Yes. An aspect that is placed mid-conflict should be able to be put on any card, and it should have a way to track who placed it, attach a numerical value to it, and increment tags up and down.

doppelgreener

This may also call for being able to have a collaborative view, where people in a game can dump their cards in the open? That way Ms Rosso can see right there - or possibly remember/realise - that Mr McGuire still has an aspect on him that she has a free compel of.

BESW

Yes.

Aspects (and possibly little else) should have a show/hide option.

doppelgreener

04:49

@BESW Would you want cards for anything else? Are there any other things that mechanically exist other than People (or Characters)? I don't know if Items need a card or a presence other than a thing you can write in a box.

BESW

The Bronze Rule, or the Fate Fractal, is thus:

Problematic

I would imagine that cards can contain cards, and anything can be a card

BESW

> In Fate, you can treat anything in the game world like it’s a character. Anything can have aspects, skills, stunts, stress tracks, and consequences if you need it to.

doppelgreener

If Items can flow between people, it might be more useful to be able to write them into your character sheet, but not so simply: it would resemble adding tags to a SO question. Once you type your item in, it gets its own little box. You can then click & drag it out of your character, dump it on another character, or dump it in the middle of the collaboration area.

BESW

If an item is best represented as an aspect, or a stunt, then it is so.

But the more narratively important and complex something is --whether it's an item, a place, an animal, or even a concept-- the more PC-like it should become.

If you're running a game where "Every Action Has A Consequence" is such a powerful theme that it influences every moment of the story, then it should be a character able to influence the world with fate points and skills and stunts.

In a Firefly game, the ship itself should have stress, aspects, and so forth.

Problematic

04:53

@BESW I would play that so hard

BESW

Trouble: Crappy Compression Coil

Problematic

Shot In The Lung

I invoke I Won't Get Et to get away from the reavers

Gorrammit, now you got me thinkin' about Firefly

BESW

So, I think that the Bronze Rule actually makes this webapp easier.

Because you just have to make PC cards.

Problematic

@BESW oh yeah, loads. There's pretty much just one data model

BESW

If you want to get fancy, have the play-mode version hide unfilled sections.

Problematic

05:01

If you didn't care about data ownership and whomever was in the room could modify anything, it gets even simpler

BESW

I think that's actually very much in keeping with the FATE concept.

Problematic

Yeh

BESW

Passing tags, altering or removing aspects...

Problematic

I would want baked-in chat and a list of actions taken

BESW

That would be nice, for it to all be self-contained.

Oooh.

doppelgreener

05:07

@BESW Yeah, and everything is a part of a PC card. But how is Wil's staff handled for instance?

Mechanically speaking, or in terms of what would go on such a card or sit inside such a workspace, is that A Thing?

BESW

@JonathanHobbs Wil's staff has no mechanical existence at the moment; it is a not-thing.

doppelgreener

Also ding @Problematic

BESW

If/when he finds it, the manner of finding would determine its role.

He might be able to Create Advantage to give himself an aspect like "Got My Staff!" and then at the end of the session he alters his core aspects accordingly.

If you mean his intelligent stick...

doppelgreener

Oh, no, the one he would've had before he stumbled out into a clearing nekkid.

@Problematic Well, BESW mentioned that Aspects should have a show/hide option, which probably implies someone should be able to see the hidden aspects, and nobody else should. I think. That would create some sense of ownership over cards.

BESW

@JonathanHobbs That's true.

Problematic

05:12

Well, I suppose there's a room owner/ GM

BESW

@Problematic That should be sufficient.

doppelgreener

@Problematic Do regular player characters get to hide aspects?

BESW

Show/hide is necessary to accomodate the "discover aspect" action.

Problematic

I vote yes until it becomes a problem. Keep it simple

doppelgreener

Okay.

trogdor

05:13

it doesn't seem like something that exists in the normal rules

doppelgreener

@Problematic Actually, that complicates things because it means each character has ownership within a room, whereas it would be simpler to say the GM owns everything in the room.

I think?

trogdor

hidden aspects are normally the GM"S purview

BESW

Freedom of information is the default state.

doppelgreener

Maybe not

Brb! I need brain food

Problematic

@trogdor simple enough to enforce from the front-end. Won't stop really snoopy players, but will suffice in a pinch

Anyway, I really need to go to bed. I'm hacking on it, though, I'll see what I can come up with tomorrow.

BESW

05:16

@Problematic I know nothing about the logistics, but Hobbs' assertion that it would be simpler to give ownership to a single person (GM) seems reasonable.

Problematic

@BESW requires authentication, or at least some knowledge about a user beyond "what's my nickname?"... I'm trying to avoid that if I can.

But I'll play around with it.

BESW

Ah.

trogdor

mm

BESW

I was thinking a registered account might be involved to track info between sessions.

Problematic

I guess auth should probably be baked in from the start, actually. Kind of irritating to... yeah, that.

BESW

05:18

(Instead of having to re-enter everyone's PC every time.)

However...

Exporting a .txt file of the info or something like that might substitute.

Problematic

Nah, I can do "sign in with your Google account" simple enough.

BESW

Okay, now go to bed.

I really do think that ownership should be the GM's alone, but that it should be fairly limited in terms of what it keeps others from doing.

Problematic

Agreed.

BESW

That is, universal ability to manipulate, with minor limitations like "The GM can show/hide."

Problematic

At some point past the MVP, there could be a "permission matrix" that could let GMs throttle control if they wanted

BESW

05:32

Yeah, but not a super-high priority.

Problematic

Right.

BESW

Oh! One thing that could be high or low complexity is the transfer of FP.

MVP, obviously, will just have counters on each card.

doppelgreener

What's MVP?

BESW

But later iterations might want to track the flow.

Problematic

@JonathanHobbs Minimum Viable Product

BESW

05:33

Minimum viable product

In product development, the Minimum Viable Product or MVP is a strategy used for fast and quantitative market testing of a product or product feature, popularized by Eric Ries for web applications. Description A Minimum Viable Product has just those features that allow the product to be deployed, and no more. The product is typically deployed to a subset of possible customers, such as early adopters that are thought to be more forgiving, more likely to give feedback, and able to grasp a product vision from an early prototype or marketing information. It is a strategy targeted at avoiding...

Problematic

@BESW showoff

BESW

(I didn't know either.)

However, I do think that the simpler and less finicky the product is, the better suited to FATE it will be.

So maybe tracking the flow of FP is actually bad, because it could make it hard for the Silver Rule to come into play.

doppelgreener

Right. A step above that would be, say, having a circle on your card with, say, an 8 in it. That's your fate point pile. You click and drag off that to pluck a fate point token off your pile and can dump it on the field or on someone else's card.

Interactions like that are probably nicer than clicking here and reducing the number, and clicking here and upping the number. It means you also cannot possibly do one but forget to do the other.

BESW

...I want a pile of poker chips. [grin]

doppelgreener

The GM would have their own unlimited fate point pile which works the same way, except it doesn't have a number on top since it's unlimited.

BESW

05:35

Aye.

I think that'd be good, so long as there's an easy+fast way to just add/subtract FP anywhere without worrying about where it comes from or goes to also.

doppelgreener

What else do you do with Fate points? You receive them from the GM and other characters, and pass them to the GM and other characters, right?

BESW

Pretty much.

So I guess dragging a point back into the GM's unlimited pile would work.

You don't need to rig an NPC Pool option if the GM wants to do that, because he can just make a card for it.

doppelgreener

Do players (including the GM) own fate points or do characters own fate points?

BESW

FP are associated with characters.

(Aside from the bottomless GM Pool.)

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@Problematic it... works better to have anyone hide? I don't think auth is necessary here.

doppelgreener

05:40

Well, I can imagine one circumstance where FP aren't constrained to merely swapping between piles: setting up your character initially. Or your GM suddenly saying "I want you all to have more fate points." I guess it'd be handy to be able to just arbitrarily edit your FP without having to go through click & drag.

Problematic

@BrianBallsun-Stanton not necessary, but convenient

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@Problematic mmm, true. Just not neccessary to the MVP

BESW

@BrianBallsun-Stanton I'm having trouble imagining a scenario where it would be desirable for a player to hide something from a GM.

Or even where it would be "not bad."

Problematic

When we say "hide" do we mean "get this out of the way because it's not important right now" or actually "conceal"?

BESW

The GM will need to actually conceal information.

doppelgreener

05:43

Like hiding that the man who runs the candy shop is a goddamn vampire

(maybe)

BESW

I'm sending Hobbs the most recent Core and FAE docs so he can be more informed.

doppelgreener

... I keep seeing those Kickstarter emails on my work laptop, then marking them as unread so I'll get them when I'm back on my regular PC, then not doing so

BESW

@JonathanHobbs Right. A clever GM can give him aspects that imply it to those in the know but don't give it away to those in the dark, but we don't want to expect GMs to reach that level of cunning in order to use this application.

Problematic

I'm calling the model that a card will represent a Fractal, because it makes me smile

BESW

Fair enough.

Problematic

05:48

Needs: FP, aspects, stress (potentially multiple tracks), skills, stunts

What am I missing

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@Problematic liveish?

Problematic

@BrianBallsun-Stanton ?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@Problematic live editing, to some degree

BESW

# of tags on an aspect and who owns them, whether aspects are boosts, temporary, consequences, or permanent?

Problematic

@BrianBallsun-Stanton planning websockets. Haven't delved into gevent-socketio, but it looks promising

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

05:50

@Problematic ::nod::

Problematic

@BESW can you define tags for me again?

BESW

@Problematic Free (FP-less) invocations granted to the creator/discoverer of an aspect, usable on that aspect.

Problematic

What's the difference between tag and boost?

BESW

@Problematic "Boost" is a kind of aspect.

Problematic

Oh, boost fades when you invoke it, yes?

BESW

05:51

It means that the aspect will vanish after the tag on it is used.

Problematic

And a temporary aspect is less transient than that?

BESW

"Temporary" describes any aspect that isn't a permanent part of the character.

Problematic

Ah, yes.

BESW

Your High Concept, Trouble, and Other Aspect are permanent. Anything else is temporary.

Most temporary aspects are boosts, or fade at the end of the scene. But consequences are temporary aspects with custom durations.

(I thought you were going to bed.)

Problematic

I got distracted by code

Can multiple players have tags on a single aspect?

BESW

05:56

Usually (can't think of any exceptions right now) tags are only granted when an aspect is discovered or created, so... no? Because only one person will discover or create a given aspect?

I guess you could create a hidden aspect that someone else then discovers, though?

Problematic

"In other Fate games, free invo- cations were called “tagging”. We thought this was one bit of jargon too many. You can still call it that if you want—what- ever helps you and your table understand the rule." This is why the term was confusing me.

BESW

Ah, sorry.

"tag" is faster to type and I learned FATE from DFRPG, which tags.

Problematic

Aye

Now I'm clear.

BESW

EF 003: In Which Jenny Befriends A Dragon

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW neat

BESW

06:09

The combat... someone else wanna put that one together? I don't have time until tomorrow at the earliest.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW notit!

Problematic

06:31

Okay, nodding off in the code. See you tomorrow.

And slash or later today.

BESW

08:35

EF 004: In Which a Lady Asks Kirby a Question

trogdor

lol

Questions are always a bad idea

BESW

The next part of the session will be a lot harder to put together.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

yes

BESW

09:11

I'm heading out. Back in ~3 hours?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

mmmm

maybe something short then, g'luck

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

10:51

okay, we have got to make sure we actually narrate what we do after every exchange

trogdor

huh?

how do you mean?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

okay, when construcitng a narrative, it's... nice to just be able to pull sentences.

instead, that huge exchange that @BESW and I did? There's no formal resolutoin.

there's no paragraph of text explaining how each aspect was invoked and contributing to the narrative

so I'm writing that.

Also! Can we start including stuff like "Want a cookie?" Sanguine said?

It makes the narrative flow better.

trogdor

as in

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

I'm currently editing line 43 of... 500

BESW

Thank you.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

10:59

so, for example

the last line you wrote... I turned into

"Ok, I definitely smell smoke" again grumbles Kirby, "Who is the wise guy who set the forest on fire? Some wizard in the trees?" He concentrates, and sees a path through the fire, quickly shouted to the insane girl.

trogdor

adding in "character x said" when we are saying something in character?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

cause you never narrated your successful aid another

trogdor

mm

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

(I wish we could do this in wave or something, but... it's coming along.

trogdor

I was lacking sleep

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:00

oh, hey, you're back an hour early

no worries. Mine isn't any better :)

trogdor

lol

yeah

BESW

Mmm. Took about as long as I expected, but much less time than I budgeted and much more time than the NSA had hoped.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW nsa?

err

BESW

National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the Mariana Islands.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

so that whole 12/9 thing is now condensed into

As Sanguine runs pass the princess, she drops a small scone onto the princess's hands. Zemenar twitches the staff and the fire springs up more fiercely, but guided by the Oracle's mutterings, she outruns it up the side of a tree. She's studied his grip, and knows its weakness, which does nothing for the shimmering wall of energy protecting it.

Sanguine falters, but then realizes that she's, for the first time in her life, fighting for something, for a princess, and grips the staff through the crackling engery field. The shock is enough for her to lose her footing, banging into the dense canopy of the forest. Her training saves her, and she leans into her fall, keeping her grip on the staff in the process. She falls and rolls, letting the forest floor soak up the momentum. Panting, her eyes shine as she hefts the wizard's staff!

BESW

11:06

Very nice.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

thanks. Trying to turn it into a narrative cause... why not?

so, can do stuffs now.

BESW

(By the way, I was glad to see you caught on to my intent in applying the "Mossy Ground" aspect to the clearing, in that it could be both soft and slippery.)

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW :)

so yeah, tell me when.

BESW

Okay, let me settle and reference my source...

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Yeah, we don't get to invoke a fate point unless it gets its own clause (at the very least) in the narrative.

BESW

11:13

Bah. I've got some hot water heater stuff going on.

If we start now, I may have to vanish suddenly for an unknown but hopefully short amount of time.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW works

BESW

Soo. Shall we skip over the interminably tedious process of shepherding an overly dramatic princess, and cut straight to when Sanguine and the princess arrive back on the hill?

trogdor

no

lol

yeah that sounds good

honestly

BESW

Is Kirby going to be part of this session too?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW yep

trogdor

11:16

I wouldn't mind joining

especially since I can just go to bed immediately when we are done, if we go anywhere as long as lat time

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

we cannot go that long

BESW

Sanguine leads Kirby and the Princess Keredwel of the Kingdom of Raxwel back to the dragon's sunlit hill.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

I've got 2 hours, max.

BESW

Apparently the dragon has slaughtered some animal while Sanguine was gone, and is rubbing the blood into its scales.

trogdor

lol

this will certainly not entice the Princess to run the hell away

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:19

@BESW She eeps, "Need a washcloth? I think we're out of scones. ... " pauses, "Oh, and meet Princess..."

BESW

This seems to be part of its beauty regimen.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Sanguine pauses, never having a good memory for names.

BESW

The princess faints dead away.

trogdor

"what now?"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Sanguine shrugs and drags her over to "Jenny"

"Here you are."

trogdor

11:20

"we are just meeting,... a smelly person"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

"My friend. Please don't insult... her..."

"She helped me make scones."

BESW

"My, you do work fast! She's certainly beautiful, but is she enchanted? Spells make things so complicated."

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Sanguine blinks. "That's no fair. You said princess, I found princess. I don't know anything about spells."

trogdor

"what praytell"

"do you need her for?"

BESW

The dragon turns to Kirby. "That wasn't very nice. I don't usually smell like this. I'm in the middle of my scale regimen!"

trogdor

11:21

"well I can't help it if I can't see what you mean when you say that"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

And yes, Sanguine has never mentioned the dragon bit of her friend. It's just not important to her.

trogdor

"it the only descriptive term I have for people I have just met, who happen to smell at the time"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Sanguine grumbles, makes sure the princess is next to the dragon, and asks "Fine, shall we discuss this over... cake?"

trogdor

"you must have killed something and bathed in it, I can't think why you think I wouldn't notice that"

BESW

@BrianBallsun-Stanton The dragon whips its head back to Sanguine to say, "Then what's wrong with her? I assumed you'd find me a normal princess," before turning back to Kirby. "She's a princess. I'm a dragon. What do you think I need her for, rude person who asks personal questions before introducing himself?"

brb

trogdor

11:24

"I get to be rude. I have earned it by now"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW "What's wrong with her? I think she's fine... maybe she's fainted? Normally people go unconscious when you apply the three finger grip to their neck, but... maybe she did it accidentally? She's very annoying."

trogdor

",... if your friend here is really a dragon,.... you are a clueless sap"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor "And why are you insulting us both now?" retorts Sanguine.

trogdor

"she is most likely a very normal princess, fainting at the sight of a dragon that has just murdered some animal"

"well, maybe because you dragged a helpless princess off to a dragon"

"not to mention a blind man"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor "Dragged? You did nothing but whine at me the whole way here. I didn't force you to come." A certain whine is coming out in Sanguine's voice.

trogdor

11:27

"what am I supposed to do? you must have seen how lost I was here"

"you may not have noticed yet, but I assure you, I am quite blind"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor "And that's my fault? You're blind. You've lived with it all your life. And you decide to come out to the forest to 'Be Alone'. What did you expect would happen, some silent seeing eye fairy to pop up and grant you sight without talking?" Sanguine pauses. "Look, just make some tea."

trogdor

"no......"

"of course not, who do you think I am? a lucky person?"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor "Fine. Like, whatever. After Jenny here helps me, what will it take to get you to shut up? Find you some sort of house?"

BESW

...okay, this isn't working. I can't keep up the conversation.

trogdor

"that would work, as long as it was actually relatively close to other houses"

mk

BESW

11:30

By the time I've typed out a response, you guys are far too far ahead for the things you're saying now to make sense with what I was trying to say.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW say pause

and we'll stop.

trogdor

we should slow down a little anyway though

as a rule

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Then edit that pause into whatever you'd say.

@trogdor eeh :)

trogdor

it doen't have to be by too much

BESW

brb again

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:31

@trogdor "right, we'll find you a hut or something. Just stop complaining."

BESW

I shouldn't have agreed to start this, I'm sorry, I'm not done with household distractions yet. afk for a bit.

trogdor

lol

that's ok

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

(so, in reading over the log, the trio of 1 aspect generator, 1 ranged person, 1 main... works really well)

the aspect generator generally pops an aspect a turn, the ranged... either uses with style and attacks or supports, and the main uses the other two to land real blows.

BESW

Okay, I think I'm able to pay attention now. If we're going to do a conversation-heavy, turnless session with me trying to run a dragon having two conversations at once, I need some kind of structure to be in place.

I'm entirely new to chat-based RPGs, so I don't know what to do.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW when you're typing, say Pause.

No one else can continue with actual narrative when there's a pause on the screen.

BESW

11:43

Sigh. Okay, let me get back into this.

We'll see how it goes.

trogdor

mk

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

EF 005: In which a wizard is fought, a staff is found, and a princess rescued for the dragon

trogdor

lol

that's so wrong

BESW

"You're both being rather rude!" The dragon is appalled. It looks at the princess on the ground. "Are you sure she's a princess?"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW "Yes! That's how she introduced herself to me!"

BESW

11:46

It bends its head down to inspect her more closely, and the princess opens her eyes. She gives a small scream, and the dragon frowns.

trogdor

"is that not normal?"

BESW

"You don't have to be frightened," it says.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

(Also, cue me when you want me to respond)

trogdor

"well that depends"

BESW

"Really. You're my princess now, and I'm going to take proper care of you, and you can clean my scales and cook for me. I believe that's the standard arrangement."

trogdor

11:47

"what do you need a princess for? what do you dragons do with them?"

BESW

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Go ahead.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Sanguine is satisfied, and continues working on a cake batter. Mr. Grumby is bothering the dragon, and the princess and the dragon are talking.

BESW

The princess bursts into tears, and the dragon pulls its head back suddenly. "Did I say something wrong?"

trogdor

"yes you did"

"she was looking for someone before you 2 interrupted"

BESW

The princess cries harder. "Alas! Oh, woe is me! So recently was I happy, awaiting the coming of my love to rescue me from this dismal forest!"

trogdor

11:49

"see?"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Sanguine frowns, trying to figure out what the problem is.

BESW

"And now am I a prisoner of a monster! And when my love arrives he will be eaten by this awful beast, and I abandoned to my fate! Alas, that I should come to this!"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

"You know, if we were ever that whiny, we were beaten. But still, one princess."

trogdor

"heh"

"so was I"

BESW

The dragon looks at Sanguine, taken aback. "This is a princess?"

trogdor

11:50

"but she was born to a higher station"

"or at least apparently"

"as far as I can tell"

BESW

The princess sobs even louder, but raises her head.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor (Point of order, can you try to edit your lines so that they're all one line? instead of ...multiple lines? Stitching them together is annoying.)

trogdor

mk

sorry

BESW

"Indeed, I am a princess, and the daughter of a king, and see to what MISERY I have been brought! Alas, the day I left my father's house!"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor no worries, it also slows us down.

@BESW "Look, I'm trying my best. Soon you'll have a cake and be friends with Jenny." Responds Sanguine, annoyed at everyone. "I fought to get you away from that Evil Wizard, and now you're safe here with my friend."

trogdor

11:52

"friends" means something different from "slave" you know"

BESW

"Yet would I flee again, and endure with patience all the trials and woes which have come upon me, only to be with my love once more!" The princess blinks and pauses mid-cry.

"Cake? I am rather famished, for my dismal plight has left me unnourished!"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor Sanguine looks at the oracle, honestly confused. "What? I don't understand."

BESW

The dragon looks at the princess, and back at Sanguine. "If this is a princess, I'm not sure I want one anymore. Maybe I could eat her instead."

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW "Sorry Princess, it's only going to be a simple one. I didn't bring enough stuff for the icing. You'll want to stand behind the dragon as he lights the oven."

@BESW "Well, light the oven, we'll eat cake, then you'll bring her to king whatsits, and then... stuff happens, and then you help me." Sanguine turns her head to talk to the Dragon.

BESW

The princess begins wailing about being cooked and eaten, but by now it's mostly background noise.

trogdor

11:54

"eating her will not fix your problems"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

"Hey, blind man, get us some firewood?"

BESW

"Nobody told me princesses were like this," the dragon confesses to Sanguine. "And who is this love she keeps talking about?"

trogdor

"are you serious? get you some firewood?"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW "Me either. She's a horrible person." She responds, quietly to the dragon, before turning her head and shouting at the blind man.

"Look, oracle. Foresee where wood is, or you don't get cake."

trogdor

"I don't want your murder cake"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:56

Sanguine's head is spinning of all the conversations. "Oooh, murder cake. I wonder how blood... no wait, that's not allowed. Blood is for the goddess, not for us."

trogdor

"you are obviously insane, being friends with something that talks so idly about eating people"

BESW

"My love is mighty among men!" the princess exclaims, having heard someone mention her second-favorite topic. "Most brave and fearsome in battle, and of a fair and pleasing appearance in all things, and he would not leave me thus, did he but know my fate!" Which brings her back to her favorite topic, and more histrionic lamentation.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Turning her head to the Dragon. "Well? We had a deal. You take her to the king, then we get on with things. Maybe give her to the king? Oh... and since Mr useless is useless, watch all of them while I get us some wood?"

BESW

"I think King Kazul would eat me if I did that." The dragon shudders. "Okay, I can do that. Your baking is very good!"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Sanguine beams, sets her bowl down, and looks for some fallen wood to put under the oven that's still there.

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