morning @Zoe. Hiya @Shadow

Hey @Derpy and @Zoe

Hiya @Derpy and @ShadowThePrincessWizard

Hola @Zoe and @Shadow

Seems the latest incident have died out completely now.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I have seen much talk about licenses or Monica in the last few days.

@Derpy no, because they're taking legal action instead

228 backers and over 15k dollars last I checked

yep.... and in the meantime....

people on the site aren't really talking about that anymore.

mods who stepped down asked for their diamond back

and some user are even in "can we please talk no more about this" phase

Furthermore, in a week or so there will be a new thing to attract users concerns

(some may even say that this is quite convenient timing but I wouldn't go as far as that)

6 days

exactly.

And since users aren't beholders, they can keep they eyes on just one or two things at time

Usually, the more recent ones.

Btw, the fundraiser has greatly slowed down after reaching 10k

And the youtube video podcast.... has about 1k views.

This reminds me of something @Derpy is very familiar with.

Now it's Monica in that suit of armor.

I'm afraid she has no chance. :/

The windmill will just keep turning around like nothing happened.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard more like this

the giants are there but the city folks prefer to see windmills

hmm

@ShadowThePrincessWizard and in the meantime Sancho Panza is writing down a fake version of the story that portraits Quixote as a crazy old man that fights windmills.

... and now that I mention it, I think there was a short comics with just that premise.

Quixote was actually a competent knight who fought actual giants, but Sancho rewrote the story to make him look like a fool.

Yep, found that on google search. Was actually dragons but the concept is the same.

Well this can happen in SE too, I guess. :/

@ShadowThePrincessWizard She does have a decent case

And if a license lawsuit hits as well, SE is in trouble

@Zoethetransgirl yep. IF.

The thing is, SE is now experiencing what I call the "All hell breaks loose"-effect. It's effectively the same as the #MeToo movement - some people start, others affected realize they don't have to be quiet, and join. Monica opened the lawsuit door - it's now a matter of time before someone takes action on the license change

also, even if you accept that she is right in her lawsuit for defamation, right now she is a single user against a corporation.

If she wins, that might be the triggering effect for another one

@Derpy Backed by over 230 people in monetary matters alone

and in those scenario the corporation can just "outmoney" the single.

@Zoethetransgirl yep, and right now they have 15k to spend.

Technically 7.5k, 7.5k has already been used

which on other hand is probably kid allowance level for a corporate business.

One would just have to try and stall out until the money ends.

So? The other party doesn't have to affect the price of the other party's legal council.

The only way she can hope to win this is to get more momentum.

unless some powerful media source gets involved, I fear this will be ignored by the masses.

A media source got involved, for what that's worth

you mean the youtube podcast?

yeah.

Hence a without "powerful"

yep, I fear that one will get mostly ignored. Has only about 1k views like I say.

Too few to represent a serious "public image menace"

iDunno, there were 4 new donors since this morning

the register also picked up the SE drama. This involves legal action, which is likely to not only attract the attention of tech-related media. But we'll see I guess

Someone like April can make a change, but looks like she doesn't care enough this time.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I doubt she even is fully informed about the recent facts.

I think she DID wrote something time ago along the lines of "Much talks, little changes"

@Derpy think you mean this one, but she posted another one later: twitter.com/aprilwensel/status/1186661516772179968

All in all, looks like she doesn't care a tiny bit for Monica, and her only goal is taking down SO.

She doesn't want to make it better.

ohohohohoho wait wait wait...... She DID read the recent mess and then commented on some of the post that were made against the change?

then I guess that sending her a link to the foundraiser could actually cause a lot of noise.

@Derpy yes

@Derpy want me to try? I can mention it in a neutral way as comment to her tweet.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard As I said before, that is your choice, not mine to take. Right now, I am pretty split on this.

One side, I don't want to cause further war.

on the other, it seems that the only way to give the Monica incident closure is thru war.

Yup

I told you before, I won't delve in discussion about who I think is wrong and who is right in the argument that allegedly caused the firing.

But I will say that the online disclosure was undeserved

have to go for now

See you later.

cya!

@Derpy I don't think that works. I mean, they can ask, but they probably can't get the diamond back.

@Derpy You'd think they are chameleons, from the amount of people who use two monitors at the same time. I suggested perlmonks.com/?node_id=1191826 at my previous job, but it still totally applies here.

I'm the only one who asked to get the second monitor removed from my desk, so that I don't have to sit rotated towards one of the monitors or stare at a fricking gap between two monitors in front of me all the time.

@b_jonas there are actually mods getting their diamonds back, with the exception of Monica. I get that she might've done something that execludes her from a future position as a mod, but tbf, there's a lot of worse mods out there. Anyway, the reinstatement process does work for mods who stepped down

Correction, that's not a poll I suggested.

We've had at least 2 reinstatements with the new process, as well as 2 before the process was released

(For the record, Journeyman on MSE and the other was a suspended activity mod, not a resignee :] )

So we'll have a revolving doors of mods hiding their diamond to make a point? I don't like that.

@Zoethetransgirl That's different.

By MSE, do you still mean Meta Stack Exchange like how Derpy uses that abbreviation?

Or do you more sensibly use it for Math StackExchange, which is much bigger?

I mean, it's larger than Server Fault and Super User by now, although I don't claim that its questions are of particularly high quality.

@b_jonas I mean meta

Math Stack Exchange is Math.SE to me

Then there's SF, SO, SU, AU

[au]

Stack Overflow

AU isn't an official abbreviation then