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2:29 AM
@SEJPM Well the Xeons with FPGAs are neat, but they probably just expose the FPGA as a virtual device on the PCIe root hub or something.
@bdegnan Whirlpool is a Miyaguchi-Preneel hash with a block cipher based on Rijndael. If you're building from silicon, you can use the same hardware for it.
@bdegnan Ew, how nasty. Go get funding from a less evil community.
Perhaps from a group like the Zetas. They're a fair bit less evil.
 
 
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4:08 AM
Anyone have any tips as to why my answer here may have been downvoted? If there's something wrong with it, I don't recognize what it is. The downvoter declined to say why
 
I have no idea. The answer looks fine to me.
 
 
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5:40 AM
No issues
 
 
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7:01 AM
No issues for me. But, I've seen in StackOverflow when high reputation users answered a simple question some other high reputation users gave -1 and warn. Maybe similar?
 
7:20 AM
And warn?
 
I don't know. It is not me.
 
I know I mean, what does "and warn" mean?
Like "you better not answer this again, I'm warning you!" lol
 
maybe warning is not the correct word there.
 
How dare they answer questions on a Q&A site.
 
how DARE they
 
 
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10:40 AM
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A: Largest integer factored by Shor's algorithm?

Rajeev MisraThe Largest Arbitrary RSA Modulo Cracked using a Pure/Undiluted/Reference Implementation of Shor's Algorithm as of 13th Dec 2018 is 2048 bits. RSA-2048 stands cracked. Please see the demo of the implementation which was used in cracking RSA - 2048 https://vimeo.com/306770425

lol
From the video:
> All Existing Cryptography 'is hereby' cracked. It 'can' and 'will' be cracked by Automatski's Customers of this Solution.
I have a feeling they don't understand that quantum computer simulators on classical computers are actually not that fast. :D
Purchase RSA 2048 bit cracking software. For US$ 10bn/license/year email us on info@automatski.com we need the money, you need what you need, for reasons which we don't want to know. we won't judge you ;-) no questions asked none answered. #cryptocurrency #campaign #funding
Ahahaha
 
11:03 AM
"There are only 15 to 20 people who are good at quantum computing." Interesting, didn't know there were people with builtin quantum computers.
 
lol
What you're saying you haven't gotten a quantum coprocessor brain implant?
 
I'm not one of those 15 to 20 people, no. Not enough funding I guess.
 
They're begging for funding. :D
I love how they straight up say that their quantum simulator can break RSA 2048 in mere days on a couple low-end machines. They don't even pretend to have a QC.
 
 
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12:13 PM
That "company"is hilarious
 
I love those stock photos. :D
> One of the earliest breakthroughs at Automatski Fundamental Research has been to (i) discover the working of the Human Mind and Brain, Consciousness and Soul, and explain Heaven, Hell, Rebirth, Consciousness etc.
lol
> to explain the Begining, Evolution and End of the Universe also explaining everything like Blackholes, Worm Holes, Space-Time, The Creation of Time, Particle-Wave Duality, Matter-Antimatter, Dark Matter, Dark Energy etc. without any contradictions in a single theory.
My sides are in space.
 
12:49 PM
@forest Well, I have to go where the money is. I was doing ICs on 14nm in 2013/2014, and that's not cheap. I tend to run the largest research groups by money around, and it's just me. I'm sort of out of the bleeding edge IC design world. I'm back to 130nm just because I can pay for it out of pocket. My multipliers are just as power efficient at 130nm as their 32nm counterparts, so I think that I might have a good path here too.
Btw, both Hasler and Sarpeshkar have 18-cubit equivalent machines that are just analog solvers for Schroedinger's equation. It probably doesn't count as "quantum" because they run at room temperature, but the math is the same.
 
@bdegnan I sure hope you don't work for the... less ethical areas of IC.
(murderers, kidnappers, spies, traitors, etc)
hm
The one thing I don't like that much about crypto and EE is how many psychopaths are attracted to a community of near-infinite malevolence like the IC. It repulses me.
I've done some extremely unethical things for money in the past as a blackhat but even I would never stoop so low as to work with the them or their ilk.
But hey, that's just me.
 
1:11 PM
@fgrieu I comment-answered as I had only about 3min time when commenting and no proper computer / keyboard available.
(it's now a full answer and all but the last comments are deleted)
 
lol still going through that automatski website... It's a gold mine.
 
lool, they actually claim that their simulator isn't even in C++
but in Java
 
@forest I work for myself, and I get the money from whomever has a problem. There is no such thing as a responsible government entity. When you need 30M a year to do your research, you get it from the only place that has the money. I am solidly "chaotic neutral". Also, working with the NSA's SIMON team was really interesting. They are just mathematicians who saw a problem. Also, none of them used AES to encrypt anything, so that was an interesting take away. Curve25519 was a fav too.
 
> "At Automatski, we have Revolutionized Deep Learning by creating the 'Universal' 'Turing Complete' Deep Learning Algorithm based on An Universal Approximation Function. (The - One Human Brain One Universal Algorithm For Everything Hypothesis)." - Founders, Automatski
 
1:27 PM
@forest That's why my hardware uses Curve25519, SIMON and random number generator based on physics. I've been trying to make a good hash function out of SIMON with mixed success because it needs to all fit on a passively-powered RFID chip.
 
The did a good phd,
 
> We ‘Fix’ Blockchains and bring this technology out of The Chasm, and put it into Production to solve Real World Problems." — Founders, Automatski
ahahaha
I love the completely irrelevant icons they use.
 
9. NO SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE
 
Which page says that?
 
Bitcoin
blockchain
 
1:31 PM
OMG This is amazing! automatski.com/cyberwarfare.html
> Simply Put We Make Cyber Weapons Of Global Scale Cyber Warfare. The Term Offensive Security Does Not Do Justice In Describing What We Do. [...] There Are No Hackers Or Any Individuals In What We Offer To Do. We Are Not Script Kiddies And We Do Not Use Tools To Execute Attacks.
The best part?
> "Cyberwarfare is a war that needs to be fought like an integrated war in 5 dimensions" - Founders, Automatski
@kelalaka These are the guys claiming to be able to simulate Shor's algorithm on a classic computer to break RSA 2048 with only a few gigs of RAM! :D
 
I saw it :)
They solved everything
 
Even cancer!
 
nice
the locations are literally just pictures
 
pffft
> "We are dealing with 'Impossible Missions' and Going Where No Man Has Gone Before in the last 32,000 years. There is no other better way to do this than The Automatski Way." - Founders, Automatski
> Nobody should have any knowledge of the internals of The Firm. There will never be any Patents Filed, Papers Published, or Public Disclosures of our Inventions. Everything will remain Propreitary for the next 1000+ years.
Under a section about "anonymity and privacy"
 
@forest is there any record of the name of said "founders"?
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1:42 PM
@SEJPM I haven't looked but I'm sure it would be possible to tell with some sleuthing.
> All our theories and models should fit in the brain. And then we simulate them there, sleep, meditate and go into a trance. We solve a problem in our minds using our superior mental models, and only when convinced we put in the effort of doing it the conventional way.
Wow Proxima Centauri!
> "Our Mission Is Not To Goto The Moon Or Mars. Our Mission Is A Millennium Space Mission To Goto Proxima Centuari And Deep Into Space. The Former Will Be A Low Hanging Fruit Side Product Of Our Efforts." - Founders, Automatski
> Our Gravity based energy generators will power our Crafts in Deep Space.
> We Were Done For In The Late 90's. We Battled Infinite Odds To Make A Come Back In 2014 CE" - Founders, Automatski
And these guys somehow convinced some poor sap that RSA 2048 is broken.
 
@forest honestly, their marketing material isn't the worst...
it's just way over the top
(obviously)
so I can totally see someone falling for this
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Well it's some sort of scam.
I mean 100% of their claims are false and it's a fake website.
 
Look at their positions :)
 
With a Twitter account that spams the same thing every day asking for 10 billion dollars to break RSA.
Yeah I saw, all director of sales :D
 
They are Indian it seems. Run by Chetan Kumar out of Karnataka, India. Wherever that is.
 
1:48 PM
Yeah the YouTube video explaining Shor's algorithm had a thick Indian accent.
Explaining how they broke RSA 2048 with Shor's on an old AMD computer!
 
With enough sales people, you can find enough suckers.
 
But... $10,000,000,000 for a year subscription?
Do they actually expect that?
> Perhaps this is the reason why 'they' left our planet ~32,000 years ago to never return. But 32K years is nothing in terms of The Universal Clock.
haha what
@SEJPM Oh I would never flag that for deletion. More people need to see this beauty!
 
Well, with that $10bn you don't need any scientists anymore, as they already solved all the problems.
 
@forest somebody else flagged
 
Yeah why don't they just sell their cure for cancer?
 
1:59 PM
I hate these things such as the "side effects" pictures by the way. They seem ever so informing, but are they really? Or are they just a symmetrically written down lists? Why would every leaf have exactly 3 items in it? Between annoyance and interest there is agrEEssiveness? Yep, they are Indian, that's an Indian grammar mistake if I ever saw one.
 
hahaha
 
@forest Too much competition. Every quack and his dog are already selling that.
 
lmfao
Every one of their posts has random hashtags! :D
The Millennium 'N Queens Completion' Puzzle Solved ( P = NP ) http://bit.ly/2wUU4yA #virginiabeach #softbank #cleveland #charlotte #deals #tucson #Russia #boston #PrivateEquity #neworleans #entrepreneurship #atlanta #argentina #nashville #kickstarter #cryptocurrency #dubai #vc
I love how some of them are tagged #cannabis.
 
I'm glad they supply their dates with CE all the time; we might otherwise mistake them for BCE quacks.
 
Darn, there are cymbals behind their youtube video about PQC, darn teenagers.
 
How can they make multiple 40 minute lecture videos??
I mean what is their business model?
 
@forest baiting unsuspecting victims into giving them millions of dollars?
(one should be enough for now)
 
Holy shit almost 200k Tweets of the same exact thing.
@SEJPM Yeah but there's no way that's gonna happen.
And if it was the case, why would they even make such long videos?
I mean it's not like anyone that dumb would actually watch 40 minutes.
 
@forest to transport their "professionalism"
 
2:09 PM
Madness doesn't need a business model.
 
and how they're "serious" about this
 
Is it possible that they aren't scammers and are just insane?
 
oh, that's totally a possibility
 
The world is big enough for it. If you've got a large body of people, expect interesting things at the fringes :)
 
I think I might email them and find out...
 
2:11 PM
And we're all kind of mad, I just hope that I'm the right kind of mad.
 
@forest oh, please do, it would be probably be most amusing
and please don't forget to post the results here ;)
 
Oh I will!
"Hey I'm a billionaire and have this RSA key I want to crack pls halp"
Is that what they expect people to do? :D
 
@forest "Hi I'm a billionaire, but I'm not quite convinced of your product yet, can you please demo it by cracking this RSA-2048 key: <pastes DNSSEC root private key>? Thanks!"
 
loool
>mfw they actually break it
>mfw no one ever finds out it actually works because they're just bad at marketing
 
and then to "confirm your identity" post a link to some public profile of an actual billionaire and claim you're "emailing under disguise to not be traced back by malicious ESPs"
 
2:14 PM
By the gods from 32k years ago that made us and left us.
Just like they made new general purpose AI.
 
inb4 the AI is just a direct link to a call center
 
pfft
> "Successfully Creating Artificial General Intelligence and Designing and Creating other Living Organisms, will make us Demi God's closers to the Real Gods. Sadly they might be our last inventions." - Founders, Automatski
I love when they quote themselves.
So deep and profound!
LOL
> Emotions, IQ, Creativity, Experience, Heuristics, and perhaps Turing Completeness !!!.
 
> ... has been Solved. 7 NP-Complete & 4 NP-Hard Problems have been solved by us in Polynomial Time and some in Logarithmic Time." - Founders, Automatski
 
Wow, perhaps Turing Completeness??? Amazing!
 
why do they need a quatum computer anyway? They're solving NP-complete problems in logarithmic time!
 
2:18 PM
@Maeher They don't even need one. They broke RSA 2048 using a simulation of Shor's algorithm on a crappy consumer AMD machine!
 
To get started on their funding they could at least claim that million bucks from the Clay Mathematics Institute
well.. yeah I suppose. But why run Shor?
 
...they could just get all the money from Bitcoin
So why do they crave funding so bad?
 
"but they're good people"
 
Or do they have an optimized version of Shor AND figured out that period finding is actually NP complete?
@forest That's tricky. undermining the currency you're stealing isn't very productive.
 
To make thinks believable you have to ask for lots of money, especially if your solution is so hard to imagine. We expect high prices for high end solutions, so if we are asked to pay a high price then we assume it is for a high end solution. But 100M or over is just madness.
 
2:24 PM
@MaartenBodewes well, there are things that cost 100M+...
 
" 7 NP-Complete & 4 NP-Hard Problems" They somehow found 3 NP-complete problems that are not NP-hard. That is impressive.
 
but those usually are really complex
eg aircraft carriers or spaceships or new airplanes
 
Even Core Impact (exploit kit) is not 100M.
 
@forest is that like a high-end exploit kit?
 
Yeah.
It's something like 1M/yearly (never used it, only used CANVAS before).
I might be thinking of a different one though. I'm too high to remember.
g2g
 
 
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4:09 PM
Signal team's response to Australia's Clipper
> Malcolm Turnbull, the 29th Prime Minister of Australia, is a Signal user.
> Foreign engineers may choose to watch the Australia episode of Planet Earth in 4K rather than spending $4K at an Australian programming conference.
 
4:33 PM
@SEJPM is there any automatic message when marked for migration as in for duplicate?
I don't have any such experience.
 
@kelalaka I'm not sure what your question is
there's no explicit mod flag when migrations happen nor when dupe-votes happen
 
When marked for duplicate, a comment appears under the question.
Possible duplicate of Why is RSA decryption the inverse of encryption?
If flagged for migration, does an automatic comment appears under the question?
 
@kelalaka no
 
5:19 PM
@sejpm I'm not sure this silliness fits under the scope of the cited meta thread. Citing (thoroughly wrong) work by cranks/snake oil salesmen is not "conspiracy theory" from what I can gather
 
@EllaRose well, the conspiracy in this case being that the company in question actually can deliver what they claim
(which is not unlike the claim "the NSA can break AES because they're smart")
but then I won't stop any of our 20k users from VtD'ing the A themselves...
 
That's not really a "conspiracy", e.g. people aren't planning in secret for nefarious purposes. Unless you count the snake oil salesmen angle as conspiring in secret to rip people off. But then "conspiracy theory" would apply to all snake oil salesmen, which really doesn't seem accurate
@sejpm umm except you explicitly stated that any such flags will be declined and it will not be deleted?
So in a sense you are telling people not to do so
 
@EllaRose "It will thus not be removed by moderators."
20k users can actually vote to delete answers themselves
(needs 3 votes to remove an answer)
 
> Any flags asking for this will be declined
so if I flag as very low quality, it will be declined?
well, I went ahead and did so
 
5:40 PM
Does he also supports Automatski ?
 
@kelalaka he may also have just fallen for the marketing
@EllaRose I'm still very much unclear on how to properly handle VLQ flags. I'll seek further guidance and come back to you.
 
5:55 PM
@EllaRose I have consulted some other mods and they helped me out in pointing out that the community can delete it themselves
ie by flagging VLQ the A will be placed in the low-quality review queue
(which is accessible to 2k+ rep users)
and if 6 of them "recommend deletion" (with not too many say it "looks OK") then it will be deleted
alternatively if 3 of our 20k+ users, eg @MaartenBodewes @fgrieu and Ilmari come together and VtD the A also gets deleted.
I will also clarify the comment under the A
 
@sejpm +1, thanks
 
6:13 PM
Already voted to delete it indeed.
Although letting it sit at -7 would also clearly show disapproval... I was tempted.
Worst case: somebody could repost the same.
@kelalaka Beware that a nick is just that. It may be somebody trying to spam us under a well trusted name. Actually, I think that is very likely, all the more reason to delete.
Let's put it at 50/50. Apologies to Rajeem if it is really him :)
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@MaartenBodewes I'm aware. Just wondered. 1.2 million in India. Even the real names can have collision
 
You miswrote "b" :)
Unless you mean that there are 1m Rajeems of course.
 
yes "b", and it is 1.339 billion. :)
There are 160.680.000 Rajeev in India
incorrect
1606800
 
6:50 PM
A simple real demo would be, give us a 1024 bit RSA modulus, we will give you p and q in x hours.
 
@kelalaka a simple real-world demo would be to simply factor the RSA challenges
 
7:41 PM
Don't forget voting..
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also a nice feature of being a mod: one can pin stars in all SE chat rooms ;)
 
I was wondering this kind of star.
 
It is absolutely wild how much nonsense people believe and justify under three things: Spirit channeling, remote viewing (or astral projection), and quantum "consciousness".
For example, now that we're in the era of cameras always being in our pockets and know just how far away other stars are, people will say that aliens have minds "in a higher dimension" and warp into lower dimensions when they want to contact random people.
 
meta-physics
 
It might be a trend away from "UFO" space craft claims. People believe they are receiving visions. And it's real convenient that visions don't appear on camera.
I like to think I could explain to people if this type of magic disguised as physics actually worked then computer scientists would be the first people to try to put it to practical use. And of course academics in general would study it to learn more, even if it uprooted a whole bunch of scientific fields.
If prayer worked? Then we would have a new O(1) algorithm to solve the traveling salesman problem. If free markets worked? You could build a super computer that solves all optimization problems instantly with communication between cores and every single core trying to maximize their performance by their own maximizing power use.
It sounds like those people want you to think they can factor semiprimes by using some kind of channeling or meditation to retrieve knowledge from The Universe.
 
8:04 PM
From the Multi-Verse
 
That implies other universes have similar physics. Maybe "super-verse", as in super set.
Oops. Typo. "Without communication between cores". There shall be no collectivism in our Algorithms.
 
Not necessarily, Have you seen this arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9904050.pdf
 
Nope. I'm not saying computer scientists are immune to magic believing. Just that at least one of us would have gotten pseudo-science stuff to work for us if impossible things were really that simple.
Actually, I think I'm straw-manning religion. Prayer doesn't have to be O(1). You might need to sacrifice more goats if the number of cities in TSP increases.
 
8:50 PM
...................................................... I'm on page 5 @kelalaka. Is this just a long setup for making a pun on "string theory"?
 
You know it better than me now. From which point?
 
Well it's all about Kolmogorov complexity. The description of an algorithm is a string. A Turing machine's description is a string.
 
Well, never thought the connection until you say, But the string theory is completely different right?
 

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