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04:17
so let's compute $H^2(C_n,\Bbb Z)$
$f:C_n \times C_n \to \Bbb Z$, $f(g^i g^j, g^k) + f(g^i, g^j) = g^i f(g^j, g^k) + f(g^i, g^j g^k)$
according to theory we can have $f(1,g^j) = f(g^i,1) = 0$ WLOG
$f(g^{i+1}, g) + f(g^i, g) = f(g, g) + f(g^i, g^2)$
$f(g,g^k) + f(g,1) = f(1, g^k) + f(g,g^k)$
maybe I should really do it via the projective resolution thing
$\cdots \to \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow N \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow{g-1} \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow N \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow{g-1} \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow \varepsilon \Bbb Z \to 0$
$\cdots \to \Bbb Z[G^5] \to \Bbb Z[G^4] \to \Bbb Z[G^3] \to \Bbb Z[G^2] \to \Bbb Z[G^1] \to \Bbb Z \to 0$
need to specify what $1$ goes to
$1 \in \Bbb Z$, $1 \in \Bbb Z[G]$, $(g,1) \in \Bbb Z[G^2]$
need $x \in \Bbb Z[G^3]$ with $dx = (1+g+\cdots+g^{n-1})(g,1) = (N,N)$
$x = (N,N,N)$, $dx = -(N,N) + (N,N) - (N,N) = -(N,N)$
so up to signs it works
I don't like this sign anyway, I like $d(g_0, g_1, \cdots, g_n) = \sum_{i=0}^n (-1)^i (\widehat{g_i})$
wait then I need $(1,g)$ instead of $(g,1)$
so now $1 \in \Bbb Z$, $1 \in \Bbb Z[G]$, $(1,g) \in \Bbb Z[G^2]$, $(N,N,N) \in \Bbb Z[G^3]$
why do I get $0$ next
this is the wrong direction anyway
aha there's something wrong with me
$N(g,1) \ne (N,N)$
it doesn't even make sense
$N(g,1) = (g,1) + (g^2,g) + (g^3,g^2) + \cdots + (1,g^{n-1})$
oops I forgot it's $(1,g)$
$d(1,g) = g-1$
$dN(g,1) = Nd(g,1) = N(g-1) = 0$
$N(1,g) = (1,g) + (g,g^2) + \cdots + (g^{n-1},1)$
$d(1,g,g^2) = (g,g^2) - (1,g^2) + (1,g)$
yeah why is this exact
ah they prove that this is contractible
this is not very constructive
ok we have $ds+sd=1$
if $dx = 0$ then $dsx = x$
wait this is very constructive
ok they constructed $s$ by $s(g_0, \cdots, g_n) := (1, g_0, \cdots, g_n)$
$d(1,1,g) = (1,g) - (1,g) +(1,1)$ wait this doesn't work
05:15
wait maybe this works
$d(1,g^i,g^{i+1}) = (g^i,g^{i+1}) - (1,g^{i+1}) + (1,g^i)$
yeah this works
let's do the opposite direction
$\cdots \to \Bbb Z[G^5] \to \Bbb Z[G^4] \to \Bbb Z[G^3] \to \Bbb Z[G^2] \to \Bbb Z[G^1] \to \Bbb Z \to 0$
$\cdots \to \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow N \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow{g-1} \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow N \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow{g-1} \Bbb Z[G] \xrightarrow \varepsilon \Bbb Z \to 0$
0: $1 \mapsto 1$
1: $(1,g^i) \mapsto x$ such that $(g-1)x = d(1,g^i)$, so $x = \frac{g^i-1}{g-1}$
2: $(1,g^i,g^{i+j}) \mapsto x$: $d(1,g^i,g^{i+j}) = g^i(1,g^j) - (1,g^{i+j}) + (1,g^i)$
so we need $Nx = g^i \frac{g^j-1}{g-1} - \frac{g^{i+j}-1}{g-1} + \frac{g^i-1}{g-1}$
check that $(g-1)(\cdots) = g^i(g^j-1) - (g^{i+j}-1) + (g^i-1) = 0$
ah this makes a difference when $i+j \ge n$
so for $i+j \ge n$ we should have $x=1$ up to sign, and otherwise $x=0$
and this is the 2-cocycle right
$f(g^i,g^j) = \begin{cases} 1 & i+j \ge n \\ 0 & i+j<n \end{cases}$
now $H^2(C_n,M) = M/N(M)$
10 hours ago, by MatheinBoulomenos
$\cup:C^n(G,A) \times C^k(G,B) \to C^{n+k}(G,A \otimes B)$
$(f \cup f')(g_1, \dots, g_n,g_{n+1}, \dots, g_{n+k})=f(g_1, \dots, g_n) \otimes g_1g_2 \dots g_n f'(g_{n+1}, \dots, g_{n+k})$
10 hours ago, by MatheinBoulomenos
as a special case of Tate-Nakayama, if you fix a generator of $\alpha \in H^2(C_n,\Bbb Z)$ (which is just cyclic of order $n$ again), then for all $C_n$-modules $M$ and all $k \in \Bbb Z$, the map $\beta \mapsto \beta \cup \alpha:\widehat{H}^k(C_n,M) \to \widehat{H}^{k+2}(C_n,M)$ is an isomorphism
no, $H^2(C_n,M) = M^G/NM$
so given $\beta \in M^G$ we want to define $f:C_n\times C_n\to M$
$f(g^i,g^j) = \begin{cases} \beta & i+j \ge n \\ 0 & i+j<n \end{cases}$
we need to check that $f(g^i g^j, g^k) + f(g^i, g^j) = g^i f(g^j, g^k) + f(g^i, g^j g^k)$
which should work
 
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09:28
@LeakyNun how does that contradict anything I said?
$\Bbb Z$ carries the trivial action here
09:51
If you want to compute $H^2(C_n,Z)$, consider the SES $0 \to \Bbb Z \to \Bbb Z \to \Bbb Z/n\Bbb Z \to 0$ of trivial $G$-modules. This induces a LES on cohomology groups and using that $H^1(G, A) =\operatorname{Hom}(G, A) $ if the action is trivial you can easily compute $ H^2(C_n,\Bbb Z) $
 
5 hours later…
14:45
@MatheinBoulomenos no I was correcting myself
9 hours ago, by Leaky Nun
now $H^2(C_n,M) = M/N(M)$
9 hours ago, by Leaky Nun
no, $H^2(C_n,M) = M^G/NM$
$G/[G,G] \to I_G/I_G^2$
$s \mapsto s-1$
@MatheinBoulomenos is there a conceptual proof that $H^1\operatorname{Hom}_G(\Bbb Z,-^G) \cong \operatorname{Hom}(G,-^G)$?
and what I'm saying is $H^1\operatorname{Hom}_G(\Bbb Z,\operatorname{Hom}_G(\Bbb Z,-)) \cong \operatorname{Hom}(G,\operatorname{Hom}_G(\Bbb Z,-))$
and I'm not sure how tensor works
at least I can't convert the right hand side into a tensor since $G$ is non-abelian
in the meantime let's revisit how Galois descent is Morita equivalence
we have two categories: $L[G,1]$-Mod and $K$-Mod
$V \mapsto V^G$, $W \mapsto L \otimes_K W$
$L$ is an ($L[G,1]$, $L$)-bimodule
now we claim that $L[G,1] \cong \operatorname{End}_K(L)$ where the forward map is tautological
maybe $V^G = L \otimes_{L[G,1]} V$
that makes no sense
by Watts theorem, if it is a tensor, it would be $L[G,1]^G \otimes_{L[G,1]} V$
I don't think even $L[G,1]^G$ makes sense but let's see
actually it might make sense
$G$ acts on $L[G,1]$ by composition: $\sigma \cdot f = \sigma \circ f$
so in terms of $\operatorname{Hom}(L,L)$ that's acting on the right factor only
this is troublesome
wait, then we can use the trivial action on $L$
so it's $\operatorname{Hom}(L_t, L)$
and we can use the famous equation $\operatorname{Hom}(L_t,L)^G = \operatorname{Hom}_G(L_t,L)$
by choosing a basis we have $\operatorname{Hom}(L_t,L)^G = \operatorname{Hom}_G(K,L)^n$
so $(L^G)^n$, so $K^n$
18 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
maybe $V^G = L \otimes_{L[G,1]} V$
so we're back to this, where $G$ acts trivially on $L$
I should be more careful with the non-canonical basis choosing
$\operatorname{Hom}(L_t,L)^G = \operatorname{Hom}_G(L_t,L) = \operatorname{Hom}(L_t,L^G) = \operatorname{Hom}(L,K)$
yeah it's $L^\ast$ instead
so $V^G = L^\ast \otimes_{L[G,1]} V$?
you know what, $V^G = \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L,V)$
right?
$v \mapsto (b \mapsto bv)$
$\varphi \mapsto \varphi(1)$
$\varphi((\sum a_\sigma \sigma) b) = (\sum a_\sigma \sigma) \varphi(b)$
maybe I should take the invariant quotient
how do I do that
I need to quotient by the ideal generated by $\sigma - 1$
does this even make sense
$\sum a_\sigma \sigma \mapsto \sum a_\sigma$
congratulations all you get is $L$
let $\varphi_v(b) = bv$
we need $\varphi_v(\sigma b) = \sigma \varphi_v(b)$
this seems false
$\sum a_\sigma \sigma \mapsto \sum a_\sigma$ isn't $L[G,1]$-linear
if you quotient by a left ideal you don't get a ring right
do we even have $V = \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L[G,1], V)$
so the rule is that if $M$ is an $(R,S)$-bimodule and $N$ is an $(R,T)$-bimodule then $\operatorname{Hom}_R(M,N)$ is an $(S,T)$-bimodule?
$s\varphi t: m \mapsto \varphi(ms)t$
$((s_1 s_2)\varphi)(m) = \varphi(m s_1 s_2) = (s_1(s_2 \varphi))(m)$
looks right
$(\sigma - 1)b = \sigma(b) \sigma - b$
$\varphi(\sum a_g g) = \sum a_g g(v) = \sum a_g v$
let's check $V = \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L[G,1], V)$
this might be troublesome
$\varphi_v(\sum a_g g) = \sum a_g g(v)$
ok this works
we need $(\sum a_g g)(b) = \sum a_g g(b)$
that's where I went wrong
$L[G,1]$ don't act trivially on $L$
so indeed $V^G = \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L,V)$
now what does this look like in terms of $\operatorname{End}_K(L)$
$L$ is a left $\operatorname{End}_K(L)$-module
$V^G = \operatorname{Hom}_{\operatorname{End}_K(L)}(L,V)$
$v \mapsto (b \mapsto bv)$
4 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
so indeed $V^G = \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L,V)$
I haven't checked the opposite direction
$g\varphi(1) = \varphi(g(1)) = \varphi(1)$
ok checked
$v \mapsto \varphi_v$ where $\varphi_v(b) := bv$
then $\varphi_v (\sum a_g g(b)) = \sum a_g g(b) v = \sum a_g g(b) g(v) = \sum a_g g(bv) = (\sum a_g g) \varphi_v(b)$
but that's not enough
we need to be able to project from $V$ to $V^G$
so we need a map $\operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L[G,1],V) \to \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L,V)$
by Yoneda this means we need $f: L \to L[G,1]$
such that $f((\sum a_g g) b) = (\sum a_g g) f(b)$
i.e. we need $f(g(b)) = g \cdot f(b) = g(f(b)) \cdot g$ and $f(b_1 b_2) = b_1 \cdot f(b_2)$
this looks impossible
how is this done in the char 0 case where we can just take $v \mapsto \frac1n \sum gv$
take $\varphi \in \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L[G,1],V)$
then $\varphi' \in \operatorname{Hom}_{L[G,1]}(L,V)$ is given by $\varphi'(b) = b \frac1n \sum g\varphi(1) = b \varphi(\frac1n \sum g)$
so for $V=L[G,1]$ and $\varphi = 1$ we have $\varphi'(1) = \frac1n \sum g$
oh ok this isn't impossible
17:01
quam multa fieri non posse prius quam sunt facta iudicantur -- Naturalis Historia, Pliny the Elder
suppose $f(1) = \sum b_h h$
then we need $f(g) = g \sum b_h h = \sum g(b_h) (g \circ h)$
projection means $\varepsilon f(1) = 1$
so $\sum b_h = 1$
wait that's not the end of it
so $f(\sum a_g g) = \sum a_g g(b_h) (g \circ h)$
I don't see what goes wrong yet
oh what is $L[G,1]^G$ again
$g\sum b_h h = \sum g(b_h) (g \circ h) = \sum g(b_{g^{-1}h}) h$
so we need $b_h = g(b_{g^{-1}h})$
so $b_h = h(b_1)$
so $\sum h(b) h$ for any $b \in L$
@LeakyNun there might be, but I don't know it
it's really easy to do explicitly with cochains though
that's the opposite of conceptual
okay
but at least it's not tiresome
boom roasted
the only proof for Hilbert 90 is by explicit computation with cocycles as well ...
17:15
I suppose
you use Dirichlet's theorem on independecne of characters yeah
additive Hilbert 90 is more conceptual than multiplicative Hilbert 90
because of this guy:
Ben Shapiro??
just kidding
we need Shapiro's lemma
17:18
ok
Arnold Samuel Shapiro (1921, Boston, Massachusetts – 1962, Newton, Massachusetts) was an American mathematician known for his eversion of the sphere. He also was the author of an article on Clifford algebras and periodicity with Raoul Bott, later redone by Michael Atiyah and Bott.
so we need $b \in L$ with $\sum_\sigma \sigma(b) = 1$
guess what
for $\Bbb C/\Bbb R$ this becomes $(a+bi)+(a-bi) = 1$ so $a = \frac12$
this doesn't look good
so for $\Bbb F_4/\Bbb F_2$ we have $0+0=0$, $1+1=0$, $a+(a+1)=1$, hey $a$ exists
@MatheinBoulomenos do you know the answer?
If $f:R \to S$ is a ring homomorphism and suppose that this makes $S$ into a projective right $S$-module, then $\mathrm{Ext}^i_R(M, \mathrm{Res}_S^RN)=\mathrm{Ext}^i_S(\mathrm{Ind}_R^SM,N)$
so it's a derived version of the adjunction between extension and restriction of scalars
do you see how this implies additive Hilbert 90?
@LeakyNun answer to what?
@MatheinBoulomenos whether there is always b with sum g(b) = 1
if you have a finite separable extension, then the trace is surjective
oh no
how do you prove it?
I think you use injectivity
which makes it non constructive
17:29
the trace pairing L -> L* is injective
so it is surjective
after that you still need a basis to pick a surjective element of L*
no there's a very explicit proof
oh what
@LeakyNun ?
I just meant that the trace L->K is surjective
I know
but you can also show that the trace pairing is not denegerate
17:31
what’s your explicit proof?
you just write down a matrix for the bilinear form and compute the determinant
stares at the word matrix
Let $a_1, \dots, a_n$ be a basis for $L$ over $K$. Let $\sigma_1, \dots, \sigma_n$ be the embeddings $L \to \overline{K}$.
Then we have the matrix $(\mathrm{Tr}(a_ia_j))$
thats $\sum_{k=1}^n \sigma_k(a_ia_j)=\sum_{k=1}^n \sigma_k(a_i)\sigma_k(a_j)$
which implies that if we let $A=(\sigma_i(a_j))$, then $A^TA=(\mathrm{Tr}(a_ia_j))$
d e d e k i n d
you can do that
you could also note that if $a_i$ is a normal basis, then $A$ is a permutation matrix
17:40
normal basis theorem is also non constructive right
no wait, that's not correct
yeah just use Dedekind
or do V A N D E R M O N DE
let $\alpha$ be a primitive element and choose the basis $1,\alpha, \alpha^2, \dots, \alpha^{n-1}$
H1(G,L) = H1(G,Hom(Z[G],K)) = H1(1,K) = 0?
@MatheinBoulomenos what’s wrong?
if $a_i$ is a normal basis, then $A$ won't be a permutation matrix
oh right
any primitive element + Vandermonde works
@LeakyNun uhm, I'd write $K \otimes_{\Bbb Z} \Bbb Z[G]$ but sure
I wrote $\mathrm{Ind}_R^SM$ for $S \otimes_R M$
probably bad choice
not sure what a good notation for extension of scalars is
17:47
yeah Ind is ok
@LeakyNun note that this implies that $H^i(G,L)=0$ for all $i>0$
that's stronger than in the multiplicative casse
oh nice
it's just Shapiro+Normal basis you don't have to actually do any computations
I’ll just note that there are no nice proofs that tr(b)=1
why
I like the proof I gave
17:50
you chose a basis
I even choose a primitive element
so what?
I dont like choice
sometimes you have no choice but to choose
don't be so indecisive
lol
char 0 is clear, char 2 is Artin—Schreier
hmm
what
how is char 2 Artin-Schreier? the statement is not just true for degree 2 extensions
17:54
if the degree is odd then tr(1)=1
if it is degee 4?
then factor it into 2 degree 2
Sylow theory yay
what
what next, S3 dont have an index 3 normal subgroup?
Let $L/K$ be a Galois extension with Galois group $A_4$ (you can always construct this in any characteristic, for any finite group). Then $L/L^{A_3}$ is a degree 4 extension with no intermediate extension, because $A_3 \subset A_4$ is a maximal subgroup
and it's separable, so the trace is non-degenerate
17:57
wait what
whats Gal(L/L^A3)
it's not Galois
$A_3$ is not normal in $A_4$
I thought L/E is always galois
Gal(L/L^A3) = A3
i win
okay you're right I'm dumb
now look at $L^{A_3} /K $
all my extensions are galois
why?
you don't need it for the statement to hold
18:00
g a l o i s descent
idk
I mean, the non-denegenary of the trace pairing is interesting and useful indepedently from that
but okay
now char 3?
no clue
anyway
I guess there isn’t an explicit formula that gives 1/2 for C/R and a for F4/F2
so I’m happy with your choice
c h o i c e
so suppose $tr(b) = 1$
(yay I'm back to my computer)
then $V \to V^G: v \mapsto \sum_\sigma \sigma(b v)$ is a projection
post this on the main chat
@LeakyNun why do you need a projection $V \to V^G$? What exactly are you trying to do
@MatheinBoulomenos because that's the Morita equivalence $\operatorname{End}_K(L)-\mathsf{Mod} \implies K-\mathsf{Mod}$
you find an appropriate basis and project to the first coordinate
?
just take $\mathrm{Hom}_{L(G,1)}(L,-)$
the standard Morita equivalence $\operatorname{Mat}(n,K)\mathsf{-Mod} \implies K\mathsf{-Mod}$ is $V \mapsto E_{11} V$ right
where $E_{11}$ is the matrix with only 1 at the top left hand corner
18:23
is it?
do you have another equivalence?
$K^n$ is a $M_n(K),K$-bimodule
just take $\mathrm{Hom}_{M_n(K)}(K^n,-)$
oh is this how you do it?
interesting
I mean surely our functors are naturally isomorphic
but your functor is more conceptual
so you're claiming that $\mathrm{Hom}_{M_n(K)}(K^n,-^n) = -$
it's also way easier to see why under $\mathrm{End}_K(L) \cong L(G,1)$ we have $\mathrm{Hom}_{L(G,1)}(L,-)=(-)^G)$
18:28
$L \subset L(G,1)$ is a subring
so $\mathrm{Hom}_{L(G,1)}(L,V) \subset \mathrm{Hom}_{L}(L,V)$
the latter is canonically isomorphic to $V$ via $f \mapsto f(1)$
now you can easily check that $f \in \mathrm{Hom}_L(L,V)$ is contained in $\mathrm{Hom}_{L(G,1)}(L,V)$ iff $f(1) \in V^G$
yeah that works
@MatheinBoulomenos and now what's your functor $K\mathsf{-Vec} \implies M_n(K)\mathsf{-Mod}$?
$K^n\otimes_K -$
so $-^n$
:P
so now why $\mathrm{Hom}_{M_n(K)}(K^n,K^n \otimes_K -) = -$?
that's like the wrong direction of the tensor-Hom adjunction
there's a wrong-direction tensor-Hom adjunction if you assume that a certain one of the modules is f.g. projective
18:43
what
how
what's the adjunction?
Let $A$ and $B$ be rings. let $M$ be a $(A,B)$-bimodule that is projective and finitely generated as a $A$-module. Obviously projective+finitely generated implies finitely presented. This means that $\mathrm{Hom}_A(M,-):A\text{-Mod} \to B\text{-Mod}$ commutes with finite colimits (as $M$ is projective) and filtered colimits (as $M$ is f.p.), thus it commutes with all colimits as every colimit is the filtered colimit over all subcolimits.
Now apply the Eilenberg-Watts theorem to the functor $\mathrm{Hom}_A(M,-)$
this implies that if we put $M^*=\mathrm{Hom}_A(M,A)$ (which is a $B,A$-bimodule), then $\mathrm{Hom}_A(M,-) \cong M^* \otimes -$
now in our situation we can just say that $\mathrm{Hom}_{M_n(K)}(K^n,K^n \otimes_K -) \cong \mathrm{Hom}_{M_n(K)}(K^n,K^n) \otimes_K -$
but $\mathrm{Hom}_{M_n(K)}(K^n,K^n)=K$
oh no
really elementary and explicit, I know
that's exactly what I'm thinking
Eilenberg-Watts is a cool theorem, though
18:55
might you have a cool equivalence $M_n(K)\mathsf{-Mod} \implies M_m(K)\mathsf{-Mod}$?
take $M_{n \times m}(K)$ which is a $M_n(K),M_m(K)$-bimodule
it works just like it does for $m=1$
oh what
@LeakyNun do you want to see my favorite proof that $K$ and $M_n(K)$ are Morita equivalent? It works even without mentioning the word "bimodule"
go right ahead
okay, so we start by generalizing things, obviously
you know the group algebra $K[G]$, it also works if $G$ is just a monoid
18:59
sure
but a monoid is just a one-object category
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