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09:10
Ok so a simplicial set is a functor $\Delta^{op}\to\mathsf{Set}$ where $\Delta$ is the category whose objects are finite sets $[n]=\{1,\ldots,n\}$ and whose morphisms are orderer preserving maps
In $\Delta$ we have $n-1$ injective coface maps $d^i\colon[n-1]\to[n]$ with $d^i(k)=k$ for $k<i$ and $d^i(k)=k+1$ for $k\geq i$
And we have $n+1$ surjective codegeneracy maps $s^i\colon [n+1]\to[n]$ with $s^i(k)=k$ for $k\leq i$ and $s^i(k)=k-1$ for $k>i$
And their compositions satisfy a bunch of identities
$\Delta^n$, the $n$-simplex is the embedding of $[n]$ in $\mathrm{Func}(\Delta^{op},\mathsf{Set})$ given by Yoneda
So $\Delta^n=\mathrm{Hom}_{\Delta}(-,[n])$
And I know how the nerve of a category is defined
That summarizes my knowledge of simplicial sets quite accurately
09:38
@Alessandro Nice, yeah, the functorial definition is the cleanest but obfuscates what the geometry is. I'd define it using the face and degeneracy maps as follows
Take $X : \Delta^{op} \to Set$ a functor, and let $X_n = X([n])$. I'll call $\{X_n\}$ the collection of $n$-simplices of the simplicial set, to be thought as the $n$-dimensional faces of a simplicial complex
The coface and codegeneracy maps give rise to face and degeneracy maps $d_n : X_n \to X_{n-1}$ and $s_n : X_n \to X_{n+1}$.
You can verify these relations: um
$d_i d_j = d_{j-1} d_i$ if $i < j$
$s_i s_j = s_{j+1} s_i$ if $i \leq j$
Oh, right, I've seen this as well
$d_is_j$ has a more complicated expression with $3$ cases
Ya lol I can't be arsed to figure this out
So basically a simplicial set is a collection $\{X_n\}$ of sets equipped with $d_{n, i}$'s and $s_{n, i}$'s for each $n \geq 1$ and $1 \leq i \leq n$.
Such that a bunch of formal relations are satisfied
The face maps $d_{n, i} : X_n \to X_{n-1}$ should be thought as assigning to each $n$-simplex in $X_n$ it's $i$-th face.
The degeneracy map $s_{n, i} : X_n \to X_{n+1}$... is trickier
I'll give you an example
Think of $\Delta^1 = [0, 1]$ as a $1$-simplex and $\Delta^2 = [0, 1, 2]$ as a $2$-simplex, ordered in a canonical fashion.
I have labelled the vertices with numbers and arrows on edges go from lower number to higher number
If I think of $\Delta_n\subseteq\Bbb R^{n+1}$ as $(x_0,\ldots,x_n)$ such that $\sum x_i=1$ then $d^i:\Delta_n\to\Delta_{n+1}$ has as image $(x_0,\ldots,x_{n+1})$ such that $\sum x_j=1$ and $x_i=0$ I think
@BalarkaSen ok
09:46
Yikes, I wouldn't use that convex combination definition. Just label the vertices so that you can talk about the faces as being "opposite" to the i-th vertex
Then the faces have a natural numbering as well
Namely, the $i$-th face of $[0, 1, \cdots, n]$ is $[0, 1, \cdots, \hat{i}, \cdots, n]$.
The face of $\Delta^n$ which sits opposite to the vertex $[i]$
(Therefore doesn't contain it in it's vertex set)
Makes sense?
Yes
So the face map $s^i$ is removing the $i$ from $[0,1,\ldots,n]$
@Alessandro So the "collapse map" $\Delta^2 \to \Delta^1$ which sends $0$ to $0$, $1$ to $1$ and $2$ to $1$ is an order-non-decreasing map. This is sort of what $s_1 : X_2 \to X_1$ should do.
Removing the $i$ means shifting everything after it down by $1$, yes
Right.
This is the crucial difference between a simplicial complex and a simplicial set
Namely, $X_n$ not only consists of $n$-simplexes, but all degenerate $n$-simplices as well, and which $(n-1)$-simplex they degenerate to is kept track by $s_n : X_n \to X_{n-1}$.
Ok, makes sense
09:52
Degenerate $n$-simplices are to be envisioned as $n$-simplices but hiding inside an $(n-1)$-simplex. They do not appear when you take geometric realization. It loses information.
I'll give you a crucial example of a simplicial set which should make this idea apparent
Perfect, this is all rather abstract so far
Take any topological space $Z$. Define $\text{Sing}_\bullet$ to be the simplicial set such that $\text{Sing}_n$ is the set of all continuous maps $\Delta^n \to Z$.
The face map $\text{Sing}_n \to \text{Sing}_{n-1}$ comes from composing with the inclusion of the $i$-th face $\Delta^{n-1}_i \hookrightarrow \Delta^n$
The degeneracy map $\text{Sing}_n \to \text{Sing}_{n+1}$ comes from composing with the $i$-th degeneracy $\Delta_i^{n+1} \twoheadrightarrow \Delta^n$
Meh how do I epi
dunno
But I'm with you so far
09:59
So this is the singular simplicial set obtained from $Z$. Kinda like the singular chain complex, but that doesn't carry information about the degeneracies, again, so there's some loss of information in thinking like that
Namely, consider two paths $\gamma_1, \gamma_2$ in $Z$. These can be thought as elements of $\text{Sing}_1$.
$\gamma_1 * \gamma_2$ is also an element of $\text{Sing}_1$
What does the $\ast$ denote?
Path-composition
There's a degenerate element of $\text{Sing}_2$ which you can think of as a triangle whose three edges maps to $\gamma_1, \gamma_2$ and $\gamma_1 * \gamma_2$
And the whole triangle gets collapsed to something 1-dimensional
This is a weird analogy maybe
Nah, this is a bad analogy.
Oh ok try $\gamma_2$ to be a constant path at the endpoint of $\gamma_1$. Then there's a degenerate element in $\text{Sing}_2$ you can think of as being represented by the triple $(\gamma_1, \text{const}, \gamma_1 * \text{const})$
It's like $[0, 1, 2] \to [0, 1, 1]$
My previous analogy was bad because you should preserve vertices while collapsing.
This actually represents the homotopy between $\gamma_1$ and $\gamma_1 * \text{const}$.
@Alessandro Is this OK?
Uhm wait I'm not sure what was wrong with the previous example
10:09
My previous example was describing collapsing a 2-simplex $[0, 1, 2]$ to $[0, 1]$ say by mapping $2$ to the interior of the edge $[0, 1]$
That makes no sense
Oh ok I see now
why do I feel like you didn't respect ^op
Trying to be outrageously geometric
21 mins ago, by Balarka Sen
@Alessandro So the "collapse map" $\Delta^2 \to \Delta^1$ which sends $0$ to $0$, $1$ to $1$ and $2$ to $1$ is an order-non-decreasing map. This is sort of what $s_1 : X_2 \to X_1$ should do.
10:10
@LeakyNun Coface and codegeneracy maps became face and degeneracy. All is good.
Those $\Delta^2$ etc are simplices not elements of $\Delta^{op}$. You should think of them as elements of $X_n = X([n])$.
I am ordering them, that's all. Don't identify too many noncanonically identical things otherwise you'll end up with a Mochizuki hexagon
oh no the hexgaon
@Alessandro So, to be precise, if $\gamma$ is a path in $Z$ between $x$ and $y$, $c$ is the constant path at $y$, then the homotopy $\gamma * c \sim \gamma$ is represented by a degenerate 2-simplex in $\text{Sing}_2$.
This is alright? It's quite important to understand how the homotopical business seeps in
This is fine, but it feels weird, like some homotopies between elements of $\mathrm{Sing}_1$ can be represented by elements of $\mathrm{Sing}_2$, but not all of them
That's because you're doing "simplicial" homtopies, and these need not compose to maps from a unified simplex.
Say $\gamma_1 \sim \gamma_2$ be two paths in $Z$
You can represent $\gamma_1 \sim \gamma_1 * c$ by an element of $\text{Sing}_2$. In fact, a degenerate element. You can also represent $\gamma_1 * c \sim \gamma_2$ by an element of $\text{Sing}_2$.
So you can always break a homotopy so that they are maps from 2-simplices in this fashion
This is why degenerate simplices are so important for the formalism
This should become clear when we discuss geometric realization.
Ok this makes sense
I need to leave for a while, it's lunchtime here
10:26
A'ight, we can continue afterwards
 
3 hours later…
13:15
in Mathematics, 3 hours ago, by Balarka Sen
It's an isomorphism in degree 2 because... uh.
@BalarkaSen so why is it an isomorphism?
13:48
@LeakyNun Compute what the chain map obtained from change of coefficients at the cellular chain complex is.
The $\Bbb Z$ valued cellular cochain complex is like a bunch of $\Bbb Z$'s with multiplication by 2 alternating in odd and even degrees
The $\Bbb Z_2$-valued complex is just a bunch of $\Bbb Z_2$'s with zero maps between them
That's alternatingly an isomorphism and the zero map on cohomology
 
3 hours later…
16:47
That's basically the morally correct answer and how one might do this in general
But there is an extension answer here
The nontrivial central extension $0 \to \Bbb Z \to \Bbb Z \to \Bbb Z/2 \to 0$ reduces to the nontrivial central extension $0 \to \Bbb Z/2 \to \Bbb Z/4 \to \Bbb Z/2 \to 0$
Therefore the classifying class of the extension in $H^2(\Bbb Z/2;\Bbb Z)$ reduces to the classifying class of the second extension in $H^2(\Bbb Z/2; \Bbb Z/2)$
I like that!
Very nice
because they are both non-trivial, this must be the nonzero elt to the nonzero elt
@BalarkaSen alternatively: $c_1$ mod 2 is $w_2$
lol
It actually suffices to compute $H^0(\Bbb Z/2; \Bbb Z)$ and $H^1(\Bbb Z/2; \Bbb Z)$ to compute $H^*(\Bbb Z/2; \Bbb Z)$ because of the Gysin sequence. You recover the full ring structure as well I think.
I was about to pick on you
@MikeMiller Ah I see.
And then you can argue $H^1(\Bbb Z/2; \Bbb Z) = 0$ because the trivial product $\Bbb Z/2 \times \Bbb Z$ admits only one section... lol
($H^1$ counts number of sections upto conjugacy)
16:53
Aha gotcha.
Nice.
I learned recently there is a cohomological way of studying arbitrary group extensions
I think there's some interpretation of $H^3$ but never understood exactly what it is
Tell me
I did not learn the way
I learned that there is a way
But it is in this
Aha ok. I'll have to read this
Yeah the major thing is that if $A$ is abelian the "action" $G \to \text{Aut}(A)$, which is only defined as a map to $\text{Out}(A)$, becomes an honest action
So $A$ is a $G$-module and you can do the schtick with $H^2$
I see
It seems like once you have existence you have a full classification
But then you have to check existence
Ah
I wonder what all this means in terms of obstruction theory of $BA \to BE \to BG$. I vaguely understand existence of section being determined by $H^1$ and $H^2$ as the fact that we only need a section at the level of the presentation complex or whatever it's called, the 2-skeleton of $BG$.
17:03
So a homomorphism $\omega: G \to \text{Out}(A)$ induces a map $Z(\omega): G \to \text{Aut}(Z(A))$, right?
Because $Z(A)$ is central all inner automorphisms fix it by definition, but outer automorphisms needn't
So when they say $H^*(G;Z(A))$ they mean with this induced action
Right, it's a characteristic subgroup. I see, that's a good point.
When $A$ is abelian this is exactly what we expect to classify $A$-extensions with fixed action by $G$

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