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03:31
Can anyone help me with getting the resonance structures of Allyl alcohol?
@Jasmine can you help??
This is "Allyl Alcohol"
I need its resonance structures
04:17
@RaviPrakash i don't think there are any RS of this compound. can you share the complete question you got in your book/test?
(you may draw the hyperconjugative structures (no bond resonance) though with the pi bond)
 
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05:44
DNE
 
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@abcd much appreciated
@GaurangTandon dude please see my question,
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A: Acidity order of nitrophenols

AbcdYou have correctly identified that m-nitrophenol should be the weakest acid among the isomers as the resulting anion cannot be stabilised by the $\text{-M}$ effect of nitro group owing to its meta location. The acidity order of the remaining two nitrophenols can be explained in this way: Hydr...

Cool let's check that out
@abcd not satisfied because your answer starts with my doubt.
@samjoe will you please tell your "doubt"?
How can we compare ortho and meta
08:03
@samjoe I have covered that in my answer
@abcd please be patient I'm on phone! Typing is a job
-M effect is not shown in meta position
I know that but hydrogen bonding in ortho dude
How you can compare hydrogen bonding chelate with the -R effect without any ambiguity
@samjoe Hydrogen bonds are so weak... much weaker than covalent bonds
@samjoe happy now?
Yeah "so weak" but how weak exactly, I mean to me this doesn't look theoretically predictable
08:08
@samjoe too weak to be compared with R effect which results in delocalisation
I think I can learn that as a general statement @abcd thanks! I'm not going into its details now
Just saw the pka values, so much difference in m and o.
@samjoe Much more difference in I's which has pKa 3.69
@samjoe I hope you understood why p>o
 
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10:22
But the answer is given as 3
How ?
 
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13:04
@Abcd ok, I had got 1>2>4>3 but that isn't even in the options. What's the right answer?
@Koolman rings of size eight or more can show stereoisomerism about an internal pi bond; that pi bond you see up top, it can be in cis and trans both forms ;)
Anonymous
@GaurangTandon 1>4>2>3 Maybe
@IceInkberry ortho position has more negative inductive effect in IInd compound
Anonymous
@GaurangTandon But there is intramolecular H-bonding as well ;)
Anonymous
The oxygen loves the hydrogen and won't let it go.
@IceInkberry i always forget that :( thanks for the reminder
@IceInkberry but then compound 1 has two H-bonds, so it should be even less acidic. then in that case answer should be option 4?
Anonymous
@GaurangTandon 2 H-bonds?
Anonymous
The upper oxygen has only one hydrogen.
@IceInkberry ok no you're right...
 
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14:40
@GaurangTandon Thanks
15:28
@Gaurang Yes same as @ice given answer is (C).
@GaurangTandon Its chemistry so we don't argue much :p
A question in organic carbonyls, @Avnish @Gaurang, @Koolman @Ice and all
@samjoe haha
Abcd will certainly not be amused by that
@samjoe diketone shouldn't certainly be possible, as aldol gives only beta hydroxy ketones
chain opening, @Gaurang
15:37
I mean thats what my friend said, chain gets opened due to strain
I marked the second one but answer is given as first
then I don't know. someone else may tell
I got so many chemistry questions wrong in my test :( this and the acidity one and some more OC ones
Organic gets me everytime
 
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16:42
@samjoe Yeah maybe ring get opened due to strain
17:04
@GaurangTandon I 4 2 3 ... Please check out my answer.
9 hours ago, by Abcd
@samjoe too weak to be compared with R effect which results in delocalisation
@GaurangTandon Btw two H bonds? (unless you are referring to ephemeral intramolecular bonds)
@GaurangTandon I don't know why you are giving so much importance to a group who has so strong $\ce{-I}$ and $\ce{-M}$ effects.
@samjoe right
[Fact] : Ammonia is more basic than hydrazine

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