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00:18
@J_B892 rings larger than size 8 can show geometrical isomerism about any pi bond. If you notice carefully, the right ring has all bonds cis, while the left ring has two bonds trans /three cis. Hence option C is correct
 
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03:41
Anonymous
I can't see plane of symmetry in any options, though there is a centre of symmetry in (c)
04:59
@DivyankaChaudhari None of them, what's the answer?
@Abcd (c) has a CoS
@GaurangTandon I know that, question asks for POS
oh right
05:16
@DivyankaChaudhari What does the answer key say?
05:30
Can diastereomers be homomers?
@J_B892 never heard that term before, but it seems "homomers" are compounds that are just written differently. in reality, they are identical.
(source - "There are times when same compound is represented in two different forms that might lead to believing that the representations are of two different compounds; these two different representations are called homomers.")
Anonymous
This question was on my test, and we haven't received the answer key yet :/
@J_B892 homomer = identical compounds so No
Anonymous
"Two structures that have the same atom-to-atom connections may be configurational diastereomers, configurational enantiomers, or homomers. (Two homomers may differ in their conformation, of course.) Two compounds that have the same configuration at all of their stereocenters are homomers." Got this somewhere on net
Okayy..So stereoisomers are classified as enantiomers, diastereomers, and homomers?
05:36
Homomers are NOT stereoisomers
Are homomers even stereoisomers?
its the same compound
@J_B892 Its just a useless term
Yeah..That's what I thought XD
Anonymous
I have never heard of this term
we were told
05:41
2,3-butanediol has only one optically active stereoisomer right?
Anonymous
Yes @J_B892
But the answer key in this book says its 2...
Anonymous
05:57
@J_B892 Oh yes, like thid example
Anonymous
@J_B892 Oh yes, like this example
for Q22 isn't the answer 4?
@J_B892 it should be 3, because that's a symmetric compound, read chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/91546/5026
@GaurangTandon it's not there in the options
06:05
sorry, you're right, it's 4
@GaurangTandon But according to the given answer key it is 6
well then I don't know :(
should be 4 imo, can anyone confirm?
Anonymous
It would be 4
4
Q: Number of stereoisomers and symmetry of pentane-2,3,4-triol

phi2k The answer is apparently 4, but the solution does not make sense. I can only identify 2 chirality centers (the central carbon cannot be a chirality center) so I thought 2^2 = 4 stereoisomer possibilities, but because of the existence of a plane of symmetry, there is a meso compound: thus there...

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Q: Mismatch of plane of symmetry vs Gold Book's definition for a pseudochiral carbon

Gaurang TandonHere is pentane-2,3,4-triol: At first glance, without deciding the configurations at each chiral carbon, we can clearly see that this molecule has a plane of symmetry, perpendicular to the plane of paper and passing through the $\ce{-OH}$ and $\ce{-H}$ on the 3rd carbon atom. However, if we t...

06:23
My answer is (d) 3 and 6
hmm, how'd you get the 6? (i too get 3 stereo centers)
6 stereoisomers
no i meant why 6 stereoisomers? there's three chiral centers and all distinct, so answer should be $2^3=8$ instead
Oh yess! the terminal groups are different. How dumb of me. Thanks
 
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Anonymous
10:31
@Abcd It says (D) I'm surprised
Anonymous
cc: @J_B892 @GaurangTandon
Anonymous
7 hours ago, by Divyanka Chaudhari
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oh well, I didn't really pay attention at the last one
D is right
the PoS is perpendicular to the plane of the ring, and passing through Ph and H
Anonymous
I thought that
Anonymous
Wait, we don't see H atoms in symmetry, right?
Anonymous
10:34
I mean
Anonymous
If there was C instead of that H, it wouldn't be symmetrical, right?
it would still be still be symm, as the PoS cuts through both Ph and H in half
Anonymous
Yes, I get it
Anonymous
But, if there was C instead of H, it wouldn't be, right?
Anonymous
I treated H like C facepalms
10:36
nope, it would still be symm; then it would cut through the methyl (CH3) group in half (I assume by your "C" you mean methyl)
Anonymous
Umm @GaurangTandon
Anonymous
Like:
Anonymous
Anonymous
Which is symmetric?
the 2nd one. first one is allene actually
Anonymous
10:43
Yeah, I get that. What I mean to ask is, in the first one if you try to make a PoS, it passes through the centre C and thus there is no PoS
Anonymous
I was thinking the same about (D) if there was methyl instead of H?
Anonymous
Maybe I'm wrong
actually that allene is optically active because both its left and right sides are perpendicular to each other
that's not the case in methyl
Anonymous
I know that, I'm talking about Symmetry
Anonymous
Okay
10:47
i don't think I get your question, perhaps, try to visualize a bit more
you'll get it i think
Anonymous
11:09
11:41
@DivyankaChaudhari wow, what's this?
(can you post a link to the particular editor where I can rotate and play with it)
Anonymous
Haha, just a representation that the molecule I was talking about isn't symmetrical
Anonymous
@GaurangTandon Can't seem to find it. I made it in 2D and then optimised to 3D
Anonymous
I'm so weak at nomenclature
Anonymous
Type cyclobutylbenzene in the box at right bottom side of page
Anonymous
11:48
And add methyl group where I had said
when I add the methyl group at that end, the cyclobutane ring collaspses
odd
actually type "(1-Methylcyclobutyl)benzene"
wow, thanks @DivyankaChaudhari, I learned something new today :-)
now that I see it, even cyclohexyl doesn't have a PoS o.O
@AvnishKabaj were you the one with a PoS question the other day on cyclohexyl?
okay it was me
well, nvm, hope you don't mind @DivyankaChaudhari
TIL: 1-cyclohexyl-4-methylbenzene has a PoS, but (1-Methylcyclobutyl)benzene doesn't
@AvnishKabaj did you have a look at this? ---v
20 hours ago, by Gaurang Tandon
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Anonymous
12:04
@GaurangTandon Haha, why would I. My question was something else(maybe I'll ask my teacher about that), but from that, I got this. Useful for everyone.
@GaurangTandon I haven't done all this
As of now
@DivyankaChaudhari (4)
Slice it diagonally
Anonymous
@AvnishKabaj Yep, got that
Anonymous
Still, thanks for giving it a look
Anonymous
12:15
I had got confused because of the H :P
13:07
@GaurangTandon Jee Mains results are out
oof
when I looked up 'JEE' it seemed like the internet was going crazy over JEE Mains
also why does bolivia have high search interest in JEE?
34 for JEE main, 17 for JEE advanced
@JavaScriptCoder result was to be declared so... ;)
@JavaScriptCoder hehe
they're probably redirecting some calls via some VPNs
any idea?
oh
why would VPN point to Bolivia though?
also, how'd you do?
13:20
> also, how'd you do?
do what...?
my result?
it was nice
good enough :D exact ranks/marks confidential
13:20
yeah :P
 
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17:14
@GaurangTandon @AvnishKabaj Whats your answer to this
@samjoe that ^^ question which i have asked Avatar Shiny and GT
this organic one @abcd
@samjoe yes that one
@Abcd hmm why you think IV > III ?
I mean don't we see hyperconjugation hydrogens
@samjoe Inductive effect of IV> III
I dont know hyperconjugation is kindoff superior to inductive right
@Abcd dude anyway inductive effect dies out quickly with distance
2-3 carbons and its gone
17:27
@samjoe Not necessary
And this one @GaurangTandon @AvatarShinyYak @samjoe
@Abcd to first question is answer A?
@samjoe yes
@Abcd in second question is answer A?
@samjoe yes
kool kemistri
18:18
@GT @AS I understood that we have to consider hyperconjugation in first case ... Please let me know about the second answer.
Are you going to perform a "deuteride shift" after 6 membered ring formation?
18:58
@Blue do you still remember anything about the coordination compounds ?
Anonymous
No, sorry
Anonymous
It's been over an year

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