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06:19
Just dropping in to say hello. This is my first time poking around the chat feature on any SE site.
 
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07:23
Hi @pyo Still here?
Yep, I'm here.
Ah. Welcome to chat.
I am heading home from work on the subway in Taipei!
Thanks. Cool. I'm procrastinating at work in Seoul. Same side of the world. :)
O.O
Are you Korean? Earthling?
Earthling. American with 40% honorary Korean status. It goes up the better I get at speaking the language.
(Among other cultural assimilations.)
07:30
I think I'm an undeservedly high level of Taiwanese without having learned Chinese (I have good excuses though).
My partner and too many Taiwanese friends speak English well, for one thing.
Chinese seems quite daunting to me (the written characters and the tonal nature of the spoken language). Are the locals generally positive toward foreign residents there?
It's hard to pick it up when you're insulated. That's part of the reason for my slow progress. My coworkers all speak English pretty well.
Sometimes better than I do. :D
Very positive.
I enrolled in an intensive program in written and spoken Chinese when I first got here. I tried and I tried!!
Broke my brain and never recovered.
The tonal part is fine, I think, but the writing . . . (play horror film music)
07:49
It's the other way around with Korean. Their alphabet is quite simple and regular, so reading/writing is pretty easy to pick up. Speaking and listening, on the other hand...
 
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08:58
@snailboat If you didn't tell me before, I would think that the lizard was as big as a stadium!
@pyobum Hello!
Welcome to the chat room!
I can relate to all of the above in Chinese and Korean. :P
09:18
@DamkerngT. Hello! Nice to be here. It'll be nice to start getting to know some of my fellow English light-shedders.
Hello again! How is life in Korea?
(By the way, I was a rather big fan of Running Man. :-)
Life in Korea is lovely. I like that show, too. It's like vicarious wish-fulfillment from when I was a kid--running around with friends playing manhunt in massive public buildings after hours.
Hehe!
I remember in one episode they played chasing in and around the building (or buildings?) that lots of foreigners live in. I can't remember the building's name. I wonder if you live there, too. :-)
09:44
yeas
A lot of foreigners live in a neighborhood (district?) called Itaewon, but that's not where I'm at. My neighbors are almost all Korean.
Hello, @Pankaj786! Welcome to the chat room!
hey hi all
how are you guys?
@pyobum Ah, yes. It was Itaewon. Having (almost) all Korean neighbors, you sure must speak Korean very well!
Hello! I'm actually taking off for home. I wish everyone a good night, morning, or afternoon (whichever applies to you at the moment) and a good weekend.
09:45
@Pankaj786 I'm okay! Thanks! How are you?
I should speak Korean well, but I'm a lazy learner. I do have the basics down, though.
I remember someone said writing is an act of mind reading. Sometimes I'm not sure if I can read the OP's mind very well. But I try my best to help!
I think it may be simpler to just say that that someone reported the thing they had prepared in the report at that discussion. For example, if it's about a scientific research, you could say that that someone reported their findings at the discussion. — Damkerng T. 4 mins ago
@Pankaj786 Oh, you're from our Tridion stack. That's interesting. I've never used Tridion myself, though.
Good evening, @Freddy!
Good evening
I drank 2 bottles of water sitting on chair! It's too hot over here
Hee
It rained the day before yesterday, so it's not super hot here, but it's hot enough. (It's 31 C outside.)
That reminds me... that I should put my chocolates back in the fridge!
09:54
39 C here
Wow!
I think I had that kind of hot only a few times in my whole life!
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Q: if you don't forget all about her -- does "all" mean "everything" or "forget completely"?

Cookie MonsterExample with a context (YouTube link): I drove slowly back to the office. The telephone was ringing when I arrived at the office. I went in quickly and answered it. "Samuel speaking." "Listen, Samuel," replied a voice. "Forget about Elaine Garfield. We hurt you a little in her apartment. If y...

That's actually a very interesting grammar question.
> If you don't forget all about Elaine Garfield, we'll hurt you a lot more.
Should we take forget about as a phrasal verb?
And is it If you don't forget [all about] Elaine Garfield, or If you don't forget [all about Elaine Garfield], or If you don't [forget all about] Elaine Garfield?
I don't see a difference between the two options. The end result is that you're "forgetting" her... not that that's possible. — Catija 10 hours ago
Sure. But how would linguists explain it?
Grammatically in sentence - if you don't forget all about her... - all is an adverb, modifying the verb - forget. So both the meaning you mentioned in the title is possible. Essentially that leads to one thing. Both are same here, as @Catija suggested. — Man_From_India 8 hours ago
That's one reasonable way to explain it, I think.
i was typing same thing
Hehe!
You can watch any popular film or TV show that is not geared toward formal language (news, documentaries, formal speeches) and you will encounter slang. Some slang everybody uses. Some slang is used by different groups. Given that you probably want to learn slang used most widely, just turn on the TV and start watching. You'll run into it in about five sentences. — δοῦλος 2 hours ago
That makes me think... What is slang?
10:12
I think OP mean informal language
10:35
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Q: "A sight for sore eyes": with sounds?

AmphiteóthYou have this somewhat informal idiom: "a sight for sore eyes": : a person or thing that you are very glad to see - After being away from home for so long, my friends and family were a sight for sore eyes. (Merriam-Webster Learner's) There are examples which don't involve human bei...

Ah, I will admit that I always understand that idiom as its exact opposite!
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Q: They are both equal to each other? or They both equal to each other?

Dory What is the appropriate sentence? (maybe something else?) They are both equal to each other. They both equal to each other. n.b. I'm not English native speaker. Thank you!

Hmm... All answers seem to aim at breeding out redundancy!
What's wrong with redundancy? We need it sometimes!
One could argue that everything the Chesire cat says is redundancy!
> Alice: Excuse me, where do I go from here?
The Cheshire cat: It all depends on where you want to get to.
Alice: I don't much care where.
The Cheshire cat: Then it doesn't much matter which way you go.
A paraphrase: "If you don't know where you're going, any road'll take you there" (Any Road)
10:53
Hullo world!
@DamkerngT. Or whatever master Yoda says.
Hehe!
Hallo!
I'm gonna eat lunch. Be back in twenty minutes (or less).
I'm gonna tend my garden as well.
11:18
I'm back! (oh no)
(18 minutes)
(Perfect lunch time)
11:37
I'm back as well. :-)
Alright, well, is there anything we can talk about?
How about the latest question:
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Q: Do I need a "had" in the following sentence?

alexchenco We watched the sea for a while. Time flew, and before we realized it, we reached harbor. We watched the sea for a while. Time flew, and before we realized it, we had reached harbor. Which version is the correct one? And why?

Hold on a second. Reviewing close and reopen votes on ELL.
I wonder why native speakers seem not to say "..., and before we had realized it, we (had) reached harbor."
Oh, I think I voted to close one question today. Maybe two.
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Q: Best way to learn speaking and writing english(making it fluent)

santoshI am a English learner from past 4 years. I have not seen any improvement in it. I found that while speaking i always be out of confidence. I always push myself to make it better but something went wrong, i do not know what it is. Please help me out,and suggest me best resource , tips trick t...

Shall I invite them to chat?
11:44
Sure, but it was from February.
I wonder if the OP is still around.
Spoke too rashly. Even if the OP's around, we can't grant them access.
About the had question, I assume we need to have a had.
I think it's probably different in AmE and BrE.
Why?
It's just a matter of choice between simple past and past perfect.
AmE speakers seem to prefer the perfect aspect less than BrE speakers.
Tell me more.
Haha! Now I can access ngrams!
11:49
Like, hmm..., maybe "I've met Lindsay at school today."
vs "I met Lindsay at school today" which is more likely in AmE, I guess.
So, you have to have lesser than five characters in ngrams?
What do you mean?
To check the preferences of the two dialects?
The error. Sorry. I'm new to ngrams.
Oh, 5-gram is the limit.
Like, 5 words?
11:53
In plain words, you can't try a string longer than 5 words.
Yes.
OK, I think only @snailboat can answer this.
Inserting ate, had eaten shows that BrE people use ate lesser.
nods -- I remember I came across that in some books, but I can't remember exactly the details.
Oh I'm so excited I'm gonna freak out!
:P
Also, keep in mind that languages change. As far as I know, BrE speakers seem to adopt AmE usage more and more recently.
@MARamezani :D
@DamkerngT. Wait a sec, I thought Americans soak up British more.
Anyways,
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Q: Adjective after "to be" verb

Charmi SapariyaI have observed in some of sentences where past particle like "to be delivered" or "to be given" used after "to be" verb, however, today I have observed in sentence given below where sentence maker have not used past particle form of verb instead of used normal word like "out". Rajnath gets stu...

11:58
Interesting!
I'm thinking the phrase they faced was a newspaper headline.
What's even more interesting is where exactly the OP got that sentence!
> Rajnath gets stuck in lift, scales wall to be out.
Seems too newpapery!
MUST. COMMENT.
Between scales wall to be out and scales wall to get out, I think the latter is more natural.
Oh, it happened 13 hours ago somewhere in India.
+1 This is an interesting question. IMO, it's not about the tense differences only, but about dialectical differences too. — MARamezani 10 secs ago
That Q got a -1, Aaargh!
12:02
Wait, I can't see that -1!
Oh, I see. It's another question.
I assumed this was a news headline, and yes it is: google.com/… The important thing to consider here is that newspaper headlines use a different theme of English than standard English does. Non-standard grammar I mean. More info here. — MARamezani 23 secs ago
Hah! That's over.
Or maybe I should write an answer?
But we can discuss the pattern "v. to be X" in general.
That pattern is found in the newspaper headlines!
English copula verbs are very flexible!
I remember a Q was closed because it asked about them.
@DamkerngT. Oh, wait. That pattern isn't restricted to newspapers.
12:08
That's true, but I think the OP's more interested in "v. to be adj." because it's new to them.
The OP seems to know "v. to be v+ed" already.
> I want to be good!
I think that's found in many children stories.
Or even, "v. to be n.", I want to be a winner.
For a minute there, I read that a whiner
12:10
:D
> Rajnath gets stuck in lift, scales wall to be out.
Can anyone clarify, are these all (delivered, given, out) Adjective? means it is mandatory to use Adjective after "to be".
My guess: the OP was wondering, why not 'scales wall out'?
I'm not very good at mind reading, though.
Try adding wall out to that Ngram.
Let me read the Q a bit. My mind reading works a bit better: Using 5462 GHz CPU.
:D
To the OP, is your question about why it wasn't "scales wall out" instead? — Damkerng T. 15 secs ago
So I asked.
I think you simply can avoid writing to the OP. This isn't a love letter!
12:18
@MARamezani I tried typing @Ch but the system didn't show any username options for me, so I guessed there must be something wrong. I tagged "To the OP" because I'm sure the system will notify you that message.
No, it won't notify me if you don't write to the OP or @ch.
Nameste @Man_From_India!
@DamkerngT. In that question I think scales the wall out is also possible. Is that wrong?
That's wrong, cuz it's right.
@Man_From_India I think that's a better choice!
(The can be dropped, because it's a headline.)
Hello @MARamezani @DamkerngT.
12:20
Good evening! How is your back today?
Good day to you Indianling!
Well the way the original sentence is written is also correct and grammatical, and equally common.
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Q: Differences between Verb + to be + adjectives and Verb + adjective

ThornIf you have a more illustrative title, feel free to change it. I searched but I couldn't find one. This may be an easy and trivial question; if so, I am sorry. What are the differences between these two sentences? These two guys seem to be inseparable. These two guys seem inseparable....

Oh never mind....pain killer is doing its job :-)
About seem they seem seemingly of the same meaning.
12:21
@Man_From_India I see. :-)
In a few more days I am sure I will be running again...
playing :-)
Oh, John Lawler was in that question!
Running AND playing? o.0
@DamkerngT. Yeah, and he gave me a headache.
@Man_From_India Yay! -- I think he meant playing badminton.
outdoor game kid :-)
oh sorry for that kid :P
yes :-)
12:23
That's fine mom. :P
snailboat is nowhere near :D
I wonder what she is doing now.
12:24
Actually, that's updated to snailbot.
bot :D
ha ha
@DamkerngT. Persuading someone that she's right.
she is a fine teacher
@MARamezani lol -- That's not very nice, though. :-)
Indeed.
And a very fine arguer.
But dammit - she's usually right
12:26
0
Q: Is this correct to say : "This country's economy is at stake with its oil revenues"

siamakI have searched Google and there are more than 200.000 cases using "at stake with". But, I'm dubious about the phrase "at stake with", here I want to say that the economy is depended gravely on the oil revenues.

Ahh... The OP seems to want something more formal.
Writing.
@DamkerngT. Oh wait, are they talking about Iran?
Oh I just wrote an answer in that scale the wall to be out question. How do you think of it? Right or wrong?
Not sure, it could be Russian or Ukraine, besides Iran.
@DamkerngT. But the recent fuss in the world is about us.
Emoticon for bragging
Oh, and Yemen.
Oh, it looks like it's South Sudan.
12:28
Eh?
Maybe Yemen?
Good. I can sleep well at night.
@Man_From_India I wonder if "to be out" is a subject complement. It probably is.
(That's a problem of me vs. terminologies!)
That sentence reduces to - Rajnath scales wall to be out
@DamkerngT. You have that problem too?
12:31
I do!
almost every non native speakers does have that problem :D
even I do have
@Man_From_India Yours isn't deadly.
@Man_From_India nods -- And because you mentioned complement, I had to stop to think, is "to be out" an adjunct or a complement?
True...a few days back I had similar problem :D
and you came to my aid
adjunct is optional, but complement is obligatory :D
12:34
It's one of those moments where I have 10 Newest Questions tabs open.
I have to look up a few references before I can be more confident.
@Man_From_India Yes. That's one guideline.
@MARamezani It will grow!
@Man_From_India I was explaining the same thing yesterday to my friend.
@DamkerngT. Wish me luck!
That is actually a nice way to distinguish between them.
@MARamezani Good luck with the growing number of your tabs!
I'm gonna freak out - The most tabs guy in the world wished me luck! Can I have your autograph?
12:37
[my autograph] <-- Here!
Robots' autographs are boring.
Heh!
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A: Adjective after "to be" verb

Brian HitchcockIn AmE, we would not say "scales wall to be out"; we would say "scales wall to get out". So the question about "to be" in this sense would never arise. Using stative "to be" in a context of vigorous effort (scaling a wall) baffles me.

Yes. Saw that already.
Ah, that's the first thing I thought, maybe half an hour ago.
Pre-thinker: Think of the almost correct answer before someone else posted it.
12:40
40 mins ago, by Damkerng T.
Between scales wall to be out and scales wall to get out, I think the latter is more natural.
40 minutes!
@MARamezani Sounds like a nice badge. :D
It came to my mind because of this feature-request:
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Q: Stack Overflow needs direct-to-brain interface for post-human users

XMLbogAs a dismembered head living eternally in an infernal jar, my Stack Overflow addiction would be easier to indulge if I didn't have to waste time moving these wretched mechanical hooks to push around a primitive mouse. I could answer questions faster if Stack Overflow were linked directly to my d...

Oh, it isn't feature-request....Yet.
Brian is objecting the use of scale wall out, telling that it sounds incomplete to him.
I thought we can use it this way.
What's wrong with me today? Slap me! I read that brain is objecting
12:45
@Man_From_India Me too.
@MARamezani You've been practicing on that message too much? (12354678910) :P
Need some rest, maybe. But I already woke up from a pre-afternoon nap (this is Friday)
I support his answer scales refers to an action and to be indicating a static thing. So not going that well. But I believe scaled to be out would not make such problem. But that is a different issue.
I tried "scaled * to be out" on Google Books. It gave me 1 result: Profit Over People: Neoliberalism and Global Order by Noam Chomsy. (Hah!) I can't see the page he wrote that on, though.
I am trying to find out scale something out
@DamkerngT. As Do|t says, try reading the title of the book in one robotic Whirr (breath).
12:50
:D
I think, for one thing, scale is not as common as climb.
It'd be easier to find climb something out.
> They climbed the steps out of the secret room.
yes that is very common
By the way, the out in to be out is indeed an adjective, but the out in to get out is an adverb. So we have so far sidestepped OP's question about adjectives, while fixing the bad example. — Brian Hitchcock 13 mins ago
Ah, that brought up some new issues!
Okay this is getting dirty! (And interesting)
I'm rather sure that the out in to be out is a preposition!
It could be an adverb.
13:02
In another grammar, yes.
You mean another world? :P
No, I mean English has more than one set of grammar.
True indeed in modern grammar in here out will be considered as a preposition.
But it's equally correct if anyone say it an adverb or an adjective (I doubt about adjective though, but someone already said it is)
I'm more comfortable with adverb.
me too :-)
13:05
Oh, interesting: The relation between Van der Waals forces and distance is 1/r^6.
Oh, wrong chat.
In CGEL I was reading something about adverbs. In traditional grammar when grammarians could not identify a word as a noun or an adjective or a preposition, they termed it as an adverb
@MARamezani can remember that only vaguely...
Must be from the time when I still used DDR12... :P
No matter if out there is an adverb or a preposition, still it's a subject complement.
@DamkerngT. Nah, that's because of the graphic card.
@DamkerngT. Wait, how much chemistry did you study? University chemistry too?
@MARamezani Of course, but I didn't pay much attention to the classes. :P
13:08
@DamkerngT. Ah I remember. It's the violin theorem.
The reason you missed an exam.
Oh, I see. It was guitar. :D
And some pretty girls, and guys. :D
13:10
But I think it should be it was a guitar. in that sentence.
@DamkerngT. Pretty guys?
0.o
I italicized it. (See use-mention for more information.)
@MARamezani Pretty was only meant for girls. :D
Where's a link I can click for learn more?
Just kidding, BTW. I love research
@Man_From_India That echoes the same thing I heard from John Lawler.
In a friendlier way, calling something you're not sure about an adverb is an admission that you don't know what it is.
Oh the same thing :-)
@DamkerngT. You heard? Whoa you have big ears.
13:14
@MARamezani Hee
But I have read that answer of his.
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A: They are both equal to each other? or They both equal to each other?

TaemyrOf the two sentences you give They are both equal to each other is gramatical and They both equal to each other is not. "equal" in "equal to" is an adjective, so sentence 2 lacks a verb. We can use equal as a verb, this would give the sentence They both equal each other. They are both equal ...

A-ha! Finally, someone who can look over the strangeness of the sentences!
Oh, good evening @Jim!
Suggested reading: www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/000001.html. To summarize it, the definite generic (the lion) refers to the prototype of a species, and the plural generic (lions) refers to the norm of a species. In this case the species of the lions living there, I believe. — Damkerng T. May 3 '14 at 10:24
Wow, I forgot how succinctly I wrote about the generic usage!
(I had to think about it for some seconds before I was able to understand myself.)
And, unsurprisingly, I linked to John Lawler's in that comment!
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Q: Why "Begin" and not "begins" in the phrase "Let the adventure begin"?

PedromSorry in advance if this question is too basic for this site, but I couldn't find other place to ask. Normally, the phrase "The adventure begins" uses the third person version of the verb. Why it loses it when we use "Let the adventure begin"? It is because is a special tense?

I can't see why it was migrated!
I'm sure it's a dup there and it's a dup here.
(But to what question?, that's the question!)
13:47
Because that's what you get when you let! :) — MARamezani 4 mins ago
@MARamezani I'm not sure if that will make sense for the OP.
But it's done! Yay!
@DamkerngT. It's hard to tell if the OP will ever see that comment.
I think they had, because the accepted that answer after your comment.
Thanks. I, however, add something to support my claim. — nima 2 hours ago
I think they he read made him put however in that position.
I saw that Q again now. Whatever, I just shot something.
I am now into that question :-)
13:54
@Man_From_India Nima's?
I don't know why, but I like Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary less and less.
@DamkerngT. I just go with Cambridge.
Well, OALD is too simplified for a learner in my opinion.
Hullo @JimReynolds!
@Man_From_India nods
13:55
Well, who won the war? I use American Heritage Dictionary whenever possible.
And I vote to rename English to Amerilish.
It's almost as if it's pointing the learner to the wrong direction, sometimes!
Um .. Americlish.
Even it says we should not use near as an adjective before a noun when it means a distance. But that rule is for beginners to avoid mistakes.
Hi @Jim
@JimReynolds I know you left last time because I didn't say hello....
Hi @Man. Still in bed?
13:56
@JimReynolds 0.o
@JimReynolds I guess you can't complain anything about MAR's coinage, then. :-)
Yes. I am easily hurt.
@JimReynolds And playing.
How do u know :O
Your webcam is on.
We can all see you.
13:57
@JimReynolds With nuclear missiles?
Started walking a bit :-)
O.o
That sounds good.
@JimReynolds I don't have a webcam :D
But any excuse to stay in bed and watch TV is also good.
@Man_From_India With a cane?
13:57
Oh. Oops!
but as far as I know Dam recently bought a cam :D
@MARamezani Oh no :-( coming from a kid :-(
@Man_From_India Sadly!
why? Is not that working fine/
@Man_From_India Don't worry. I'm old alright.
I don't know how many weird photos of me doing something at my desk Jim had already taken!
13:59
O.O
:-)
@MARamezani Relax dude :D we all know u r a grown up kid
I am obsessed with @Dam
13:59
@Man_From_India From backwards.
@JimReynolds Do you have his number?

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