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00:29
Hey, I got a hat!
00:44
Hip, hip, hooray :D
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Anonymous
07:16
Me too!
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Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I have the same impression both of you do.
Anonymous
You usually talk about the peak when you want to point out that it's only downhill from there―whatever we're talking about will never again reach the same heights
Anonymous
For example, peak oil
Anonymous
You can talk about when someone was at their peak, implying they've gotten worse since then
Anonymous
You can, however, say someone is at their peak
07:18
Hi!
Anonymous
And that's positive
Anonymous
Hello
Please wait for a moment.
I was reading news on an online website and read a sentence. Which did not make sense to me so I had to land here to get some help on it!!!
From the website: "The alleged terror plot, mentioned in a conversation between Australian terrorism recruiter in Syria, Mohammad Ali Barylei and Azari, involved selecting a member of the public at random, beheading them and then covering their body in a flag."
I think, the writer should have used "their bodies" instead of "their body".
Because there were many bodies not one body.
Anonymous
@user62015 But it's only one member of the public.
07:23
In that case the writer would have used "his body".
Anonymous
Nope.
Please wait. Let me read it out again and see if I could make sense.
As per me it should have been "beheading him and then covering his body"
I am sorry, but not able to get sense. Could you please explain it to me a little bit?
Anonymous
You may have been taught that, but them and their are fine.
Anonymous
Look up singular they.
Anonymous
Them and their are more natural here than him and his
Anonymous
07:27
In any case, regardless of whether or not you like it personally, singular they is in widespread use
Anonymous
So you'll need to at least understand it
But people were more so how could be one body for all.
Anonymous
"A member of the public" is only one person
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Anonymous
This member of the public has only one body.
07:28
Yes.
Anonymous
@user62015 Most AmE/BrE speakers wouldn't say "As per me". More natural would be "I think"
Anonymous
Or perhaps something like "In my opinion"
Thanks. I like these feedback.
Does it (as per me) sound like a commanding order?
Anonymous
No
Or they are not grammatically right?
Anonymous
07:31
It just sounds like Indian English or another similar variety of English
I will take it like "as per my order this work should be done".
Anonymous
Indian English uses as per much more often than American or British English
Yes. I am from India. And it comes from Hindi.
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Anonymous
As per comes from Latin.
Okay.
Anonymous
07:33
But it's used about 20x more often in Indian English than in American English
Okay. Sorry for that, let me go back to the topic.
Anonymous
Most of the times it's used in Indian English, it sounds unnatural to American English speakers
Yes. I agree.
We were at "This member of the public has only one body."
Anonymous
Did you have a question to ask about that?
I do not understand "their with a single body ".
Let me give you some examples. Please be with me for a moment.
Anonymous
07:39
I suggested earlier that you look up singular they.
Anonymous
Them and their refer to "a member of the public"
Here I am making two small sentences and the situation is "I went to my friends home". For the first one I went to my friends home but both were living in the same house so I can use "I went to their home". But now "I went to my friends home" and both lived at different places so "I went to their homes" Does it make sense? In my case this is what I think.
Could you please give me any other example of the same situation? So I may understand it.
08:11
I have to leave now. But I hoping to get the answer!!!
Bye for now. See you soon.
 
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user116848
10:40
Star wall looks different today.
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user116848
I didn't star any.
13:21
@snailboat An interesting secret hat you have!
why would "a goodly rotten apple" be in any way offensive? I just don't get it
Because it alludes to "bad apple", I think.
ah, so it applies to being spoiled I guess?
I think so. (Sorry, my browser just crashed, again. :-)
Anonymous
@NatNaydenova Offensive? In what context?
Anonymous
13:27
@DamkerngT. Which one?
@snailboat This one. The one you're wearing. :D
Anonymous
Oh! You get that by changing your profile :-)
Anonymous
I have two other secret hats, but I don't know how you get them.
Ah! Oh! That's nice to know!
Anonymous
I added a blank space to my profile and it gave me a hat!
13:29
I've seen a lot of users turned into Spock today. :D
in a video gag a girl says "Are thy calling my father a goodly rotten apple?", citing something from Shakespeare.. but it sounded confusing, as it's mixing positive with negative words
Anonymous
Goodly here means "very; to a great extent"
Anonymous
I think
got it! thanks :)
Anonymous
I might be wrong―it's archaic
13:32
speaking of this, anyone knows some online tool for "translating" modern English to Shakespearean?
Anonymous
I don't think Google Translate speaks Early Modern English yet
Anonymous
Ah, if we look at the original...
Anonymous
Maybe it'll make more sense.
Anonymous
> Mark you this, Bassanio,
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
Anonymous
I guess here goodly is actually an adjective modifying apple
Anonymous
13:36
It looks like it's describing an apple that appears good on the outside, but is rotten on the inside
Anonymous
@NatNaydenova I guess that's what it means in your quote, too. I misunderstood at first
Anonymous
(Of course, we don't use goodly this way today)
yeah, makes more sense now, especially with the last line
@snailboat Oh, isn't there a proverb based on that!?
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Um, quite possibly? :-)
Anonymous
13:40
I can't think of it off the top of my head
Hmm... probably not in English.
Anonymous
Hey, someone sent me a hat as a gift!
Anonymous
(They gave me a downvote :-)
Oh, a downvote is a hat now?!
Anonymous
Yeah, the hats are silly.
Anonymous
13:41
One of them requires you to receive a downvote and an upvote in the same day.
Anonymous
5
A: It sound the narrator saying "icky shave" in this video

snailboatIt says: President Sadat is hit by thirty seven bullets, but it is a ricochet which delivers the fatal wound.

Anonymous
This got downvoted, perhaps because someone thinks it's off-topic and we shouldn't answer off-topic questions
Anonymous
Although we don't seem to have been closing similar questions
Oh, ricochet reminds me of that song.
Anonymous
Honestly, I think it's on-topic. It would be Too Localized, but we got rid of that.
13:44
Sadly.
Anonymous
I can see why people wouldn't want this sort of question on ELL, though.
Anonymous
I could always delete my answer. That gets another hat! :-)
LOL
Weill, I edited my profile. Waiting for a hat. :D
Anonymous
Woo hoo!
Anonymous
Go team hat!
13:49
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Q: When A was happening, B happened. OR A was happening when B happened?

Dinusha When I was talking with john, the telephone rang. I was talking with john, when the telephone rang. What is the difference between the above sentences? (Do they sound similar?)

Yay!
Anonymous
If we find messages by 8 people to star in here, we can get another hat.
It looks like a simple question, but I think there are no good hard and fast rules.
@snailboat You mean we have to star messages of 10 different people?
Anonymous
Oh, is it ten?
I don't know. I haven't taken a look at the info page of this Winterbash yet.
Anonymous
It says 8
Anonymous
13:52
Were you perchance speaking octal, as robots are wont to do?
Oh, how can I rotate my hat?
Anonymous
Click "show controls"
Thanks! Silly me!
Anonymous
I got the chat starring hat!
> I was talking with John when the telephone rang.
When I was talking with John, the telephone rang.
The telephone rang when I was talking with John.
When the telephone rang, I was talking with John.
@snailboat Oh, from this room?
Anonymous
13:57
Yep!
Anonymous
I went to the transcript of the first day of chat and starred people's hellos, which don't show up on the right because they're too old
Anonymous
So they didn't disrupt the star wall :-)
Oh, great thinking!
Anonymous
I'm going to get a hat for using the iOS app.
Anonymous
At last, a purpose for the app!
Anonymous
14:07
Now I can say that I have not upgraded in vain
This is very tempting! I might upgrade my iOS. :-)
Anonymous
Oh, don't do it!!
Ah, no?
Anonymous
Lest you become a robot of regret
Anonymous
14:08
Hats are ephemeral! iOS 6 is forever!
Anonymous
I'm really not sure what advantage the iOS app has over the mobile web interface
Anonymous
It has a lot fewer features
I think conservatively, "While I was talking with John, the telephone rang" indeed sounds better than "When I was talking with John, the telephone rang".
@snailboat Ah, I expected it to be more feature-rich.
Anonymous
I uninstalled it the day after I installed it
Anonymous
14:13
I had to reinstall it to get the hat just now :-)
Anonymous
Well, I still don't have the hat yet.
I think I could try SE's Android app. (Don't know if an old Android 2 can run the app.)
Anonymous
But I'm assuming it'll give it to me!
user116848
Nice. All of you are wearing hats.
Anonymous
It's true.
Anonymous
14:25
There's no special moderator hat this year.
user116848
Was it there last year?
Anonymous
I think so
Anonymous
I don't remember especially well
user116848
I got a hat too today. I tried to adjust it to my avatar but it didn't look cool enough.
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Anonymous
I've never been able to make any of the hats look nice on my avatars
Anonymous
14:29
But eh, it's fun anyway :-)
user116848
Yes it looks funny :)
Anonymous
Oh, I have to actually do something with the iOS app to get the hat
Anonymous
There! Ten hats! :-)
user116848
We'll see how that hat looks like :-)
user116848
Yay!
16:43
@snailboat Thanks :D
@DamkerngT. Thanks :)
Hi!
Is anybody in?
Anonymous
I am here
17:04
Great.
I had asked a question but I could not find it here anymore. Could you help me out.
I was chatting with you that time.
Anonymous
9 hours ago, by user62015
Here I am making two small sentences and the situation is "I went to my friends home". For the first one I went to my friends home but both were living in the same house so I can use "I went to their home". But now "I went to my friends home" and both lived at different places so "I went to their homes" Does it make sense? In my case this is what I think.
Anonymous
9 hours ago, by user62015
Could you please give me any other example of the same situation? So I may understand it.
Yes.
We are on the same track.
You guys are very helpful.
-:)
May I ask you something?
Anonymous
What's up?
What kind of green cap are you wearing?
-:)
Anonymous
17:13
I'm not really sure :-)
Anonymous
I think it's called "chameleon"
Anonymous
If you edit your profile on a Stack Exchange site, you should get that hat.
Anonymous
And then you can put it on your avatar.
Anonymous
I have 13 hats so far.
Hahahah. Sounds good.
Does this sentence look good? "When we keep a piece of ice out it melts."
Anonymous
17:16
Looks grammatical
It also:The Sun rounds the earth.
Anonymous
There are specific ways people usually talk about geocentrism, heliocentrism, etc.
Anonymous
Like, "The sun goes around the earth"
Anonymous
Or "The earth goes around the sun"
Anonymous
There are various ways you could say it. "The Sun rounds the earth" sounds a bit strange, though.
17:19
Okay.
But sometimes I have seen people use the capital S for the Sun.
Anonymous
Anonymous
@user62015 Yeah. And the Earth.
Anonymous
Capitalizing those, or not, is a matter of style
Yes.
I was about to ask the same.
Thanks.
Anonymous
I know you're still confused about their with singular reference
Anonymous
17:30
I'm not sure what exactly confuses you about it, though
Anonymous
It has the same meaning as his, except that it's unambiguously gender neutral
Anonymous
They can have both singular and plural antecedents
Anonymous
Just like you can have both singular and plural antecedents
Anonymous
You could always ask a question on the main site if you still don't understand
Anonymous
By the way, revolves around appears to be the clear winner in most corpora: corpus.byu.edu/coca/?c=coca&q=35652512
17:42
"What do we actually do in typical proficiency tests?" "We test ourselves to see if we can get to the same results the test makers had arrived at in their best opinions during the time they designed the tests."
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. The test I took was definitely an interesting experience!
I bet!
Anonymous
I felt I could have been much more prepared for the listening section than I was.
Anonymous
I think that if I try practicing listening to more audio in adverse conditions, I'll have an easier time if I take it again
Oh! In what way more? More ambient noises? Or more spontaneous (less or no context)?
Ahh
It's the adverse conditions!
Anonymous
17:46
I do a lot of listening practice in ideal conditions
Anonymous
Maybe that's a mistake :-)
Anonymous
My friend had warned me that it wouldn't be like listening to audio on headphones.
I usually have a lot of noises all around. (Like fans, A/C, computer fans, pumps, chatting in the background, and so on. Sometimes I listen to my iPad while the TV is on.)
Anonymous
She suggested I practice listening to audio on speakers with distractions.
Anonymous
I don't actually know whether it makes sense to practice listening with distractions.
Anonymous
17:49
It makes sense, though.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. My computer is very quiet! :-)
@snailboat Ah, mine are noise generators!
Anonymous
Computers get quieter and quieter over time.
Anonymous
Mine has five 140mm fans.
I wonder if they do generate something around 13k!
Anonymous
17:49
They tend to run under 500rpm
Anonymous
My old computer had 120mm fans
Anonymous
It was louder.
Anonymous
But it was quieter than my computer before that.
I'm looking for a new fanless computer.
Anonymous
The hard drives are a lot quieter too.
Anonymous
17:51
Although these hard drives are quiet, they aren't SSDs
Anonymous
The fans are quieter than the hard drives
Anonymous
So that would be the next step if I wanted a quieter computer
I think it's the CPU's fans and the power supply's fans that make a lot of noises.
Anonymous
Go all out on SSDs
HDD, not so much.
Anonymous
17:51
Nah, not in this computer.
Anonymous
The fans in the CPU and power supply are both massive, too
Anonymous
They run nice and slow.
I think fanless computers, by design, should also consume less power.
Anonymous
What sort of cooling would you be looking into?
Anonymous
17:53
Certainly there are fancy cooling systems.
Air, perhaps.
I mean, I want to replace my server, which is always on.
I'm using an AMD 64-bit lower power consumption PC.
It was very quiet at first. Now everyone can notice the noises it makes.
Anonymous
This computer is only a year old
Anonymous
It's still running pretty similar to when I put it together :-D
Anonymous
Temperatures stay under 30℃
Anonymous
17:55
It's more important that you get an accurate answer about British English than it be written by a native speaker. — snailboat 12 mins ago
Anonymous
I need an accurate answer from a native speaker, yes.. @snailboat — Yukatan 6 mins ago
Interesting.
Though not very surprising.
Anonymous
No, just an accurate answer. It doesn't matter who writes it. — snailboat 3 mins ago
Anonymous
I don't feel like anyone else on ELL argues this point besides me
Anonymous
Sometimes I get upvotes when I do,
Anonymous
17:57
But all in all, people seem to more or less take requests for answers from native speakers in stride
I've experienced this kind of thing when playing badminton.
Anonymous
I don't know how much people really agree with the point I try to make
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. In what way?
Beginners and intermediate players usually don't know how to deal with players who have higher skills.
So, everyone who is better than them looks the same.
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