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Anonymous
00:00
I was trying to think of manlier songs for Arrowfar, but I haven't come up with anything yet :-)
"Reindeers are better than people" is manly enough for me. :)
Anonymous
Yay!
user116848
@snailboat Oh! that's my type of song :D How did you guess? lol
user116848
I love it! Thanks!
Anonymous
It's a good band
user116848
00:02
How come I have never heard this song!
user116848
:-)
Anonymous
They're Tunisian
user116848
I see.
Anonymous
That wasn't meant to be an answer to your question :-)
Nice beats!
Anonymous
00:03
One of my friends who is into metal told me about them a couple years ago
user116848
So, I normally listen to only native English guys. May be that's why I don't know this group.
user116848
So, I like English, French and Russian songs. Not Urdu. I hate Urdu songs.
user116848
But I can't understand French or Russian
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@DamkerngT. Thai songs you share here are good to listen to I'd say.
Thanks!
user116848
00:10
But I can't understand them you know :D
user116848
Like French and Russian
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;-)
Anonymous
@Arrowfar Do you like power metal in general?
I translated one of them, but rather literally.
user116848
@snailboat I like 'heavy metal' in general. And 'trance' music too.
user116848
00:12
@snailboat What's your genre, that you like?
Anonymous
I like a lot of music.
Anonymous
'Metal' is too general for me to figure out what you like, though.
Anonymous
The Odyssey, which you didn't like, is my favorite example of metal.
Anonymous
Myrath is power metal, so I was trying to think of a power metal band with a native speaker of English as a singer
Anonymous
Like Kamelot
Anonymous
00:14
Although they have a non-native singer now
user116848
@snailboat Ah, I see. Yes, I remember I made a joke about that one which made you cross a bit lol.
user116848
Let me try Kamelot....
Anonymous
Oh wait! Their old vocalist was a non-native speaker, too?
Anonymous
I didn't know that
Anonymous
Anonymous
00:17
Wikipedia says the singer's father was Thai!
user116848
Wow!
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They are good!
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Nice! Kamelot is great!
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Like metallica group
user116848
00:20
So, I guess many non-natives are making mixed kinda metal songs too.
user116848
Or bilingual
Anonymous
Hehe!
To boldly go where I've never visited before!
Anonymous
00:54
I think the new review indicator in the top bar might working as intended
Anonymous
Although I'm unhappy with it personally, over on Japanese.SE we've had more people than ever participating in the site self-evaluation!
Anonymous
And I wonder if that's due to the new brown number in the top bar
Anonymous
I think 23 people participated in our self-evaluation this time over there
Oh! I didn't even notice what the indicator was saying!
Anonymous
It's about to end, so I'm looking at the stats.
00:57
Ahh
Anonymous
ELL's self-eval started later
Anonymous
So we've still got 5 days left over here
Anonymous
But already a lot of people have participated (I haven't counted, but I looked at the review history)
Anonymous
My guess is even more people will participate over here
Still some more days before it's going to end. :)
Anonymous
01:00
But I bet most of the people who are going to review did so already
Anonymous
That was the pattern on Japanese.SE. That's part of why I think it might be the new top bar indicator
Anonymous
Everyone saw it appear and instantly clicked up there to make it go away! :-)
Anonymous
Used to be, reviews'd just trickle in
10:23
mindblindness!
hey
hey
cognitive disorder!
@DamkerngT. Hello
Hello!
A very interesting article up there!
10:49
@DamkerngT. the result of yesterday's chat --> 2200ce.wordpress.com/2014/09/26/the-thing-replies
@AmitJoki Nice!
Poor Jon. What was going to happen to him?
@DamkerngT. I'm still thinking about it. But I want to know something.. Do you "really" feel that the story is interesting? I really mean an honest reply..
It is interesting. In another time, I would be more interested to read the series!
When I was younger, I read a lot of science fiction!
@DamkerngT. have you written something?
or do you write something? blog?
11:04
@AmitJoki Mostly private or only for internal uses and it's more about technical stuff.
ah! I still write under "John Doe" and not my own name
Oh! Hello, John Doe!
Hello from me too ASIMO :)
Well, do you watch football?
11:08
Which football? Soccer or NFL?
Ah! That's a difficult question.. I know the football, or soccer which Christiano Ronaldo plays.
Oh, I see! I had watched football (soccer) too. Lately, not much. Only the World Cup and the Asian Games.
well, can we be friends on fb?
Ahh... That would be nice if I used Facebook!
@DamkerngT. you aren't serious.. are you?
11:13
That might be a little surprise for you, but I'm from another generation. :)
@DamkerngT. ah! You only use ASIMOBook
And using Facebook is not that common. (Though many of my friends use it.)
Hehe!
@DamkerngT. would you mind if I named a character after you?? kinda robot's name?
Not at all!
that's an internet name or is it your actual name?
11:15
Wait, which name are you going to use?
ASIMO is not really mine.
I meant "Damkerng, the Robo"...
Damkerng is my real name. :)
Umm... okay!
will let you know.. I will make sure the robot is a good natured one ;)
Thank you very much!
Your name will appear in my next post then, for sure... I already spun up the story!
11:18
:D
I might need some expert help while I'm currently writing it..
@DamkerngT. any name for a video service like youtube?
Dailymotion, Vimeo, etc.
@DamkerngT. fictious
Oh!
Used by aliens or people?
Used by people
11:30
How about Vidia?
@DamkerngT. you're damn cool!
and I forgot something - Your name will feature in my next post's title too :)
which I'm currently writing..
Hah! Thanks in advance!
You've helped me a lot and so, I chose your name :) I'm the one to thank you.
11:33
Hee :)
Gotta go for a bit. BBL
See you around!
Ok! Sir!
 
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12:38
I'm back. :)
 
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15:01
@DamkerngT. I am done with the post!
15:45
@AmitJoki Oh, that was fast!
16:10
@DamkerngT. yeah it was..
16:58
Is there anyone who can help me?
17:17
@AmitJoki A link would be nice. Well, I can find that myself, I think. Maybe later.
@user62015 What is the question? Ask away!
Thanks.
I want to understand that can we use any past participle action verb directly for example: Jealousy gone, anguish gone.
I have been reading a novel and in the novel I have read this.
I think "Jealousy gone" is okay colloquially.
(Sorry for the delay; I think it's going to be lagging like this for a while; My HDDs keep swapping!)
Okay. That's fine. I can understand that and I appreciate your help a lot.
Anonymous
@user62015 It needs context to make sense.
Fine.
Let me type. Please wait for a moment. I am typing it.
17:22
(+1. I also have The Exorcism of Emily Rose in the background on TV. A bit scary!)
@snailboat Oh, I have something to show you...
There was a long silence on the telephone. Her voice changed. Jealousy gone, anguish gone, she was calm and quiet.
Oh, a clause! No, not one, two!
Hmm... Not sure how to put it, grammatically speaking.
I am sorry. Damkerng, are you responding to me?
Anonymous
@user62015 This is significantly different from "Jealous gone." and "Anguish gone." as independent sentences
Anonymous
17:27
@DamkerngT. Cute! :-)
@snailboat Indeed! I don't know why but he is back!
Anonymous
And six whorls!
I didn't count but it looks like so!
So I think it means they are jealously has gone, anguish has gone right?
Anonymous
Yes, her jealousy and anguish were gone. She was calm and quiet.
Anonymous
17:29
If you'd like to know more about the grammar of this sort of sentence, why not ask on ELL proper?
You want me to ask?
Let me ask another question. Which has been making me little bit confused sometimes.
Anonymous
Well, there is more to be said on the subject
Anonymous
It's up to you if you want to ask
Sure. I will do it!
You are welcome.
Sometimes I hear people use "used to" for their regular actions in the present but I know that we use "it" for our regular actions which we did daily. And they were our daily routine in the past. I think the people use something like "it" so my question is is there any word similar to "it" to use in the present for our regular actions?
I'm not sure what you mean by "it".
Anonymous
17:37
I'm afraid I don't understand.
Anonymous
Also, I would be surprised to hear "used to" for regular actions in the present.
Sometimes people say that I am used to it.
What does it mean?
Anonymous
Oh! That's different.
Ah, saying "I'm used to" and "I used to" are different!
Anonymous
"I am used to <noun phrase>" means "I have grown accustomed to <noun phrase>"
17:38
Okay.
Go ahead. I am listening to it.
Anonymous
"I used to <non-finite verb>" means "In the past, I habitually did <non-finite verb>"
Anonymous
The differences in grammar are 1. the presence or absence of BE, and 2. whether it's followed by a noun phrase or verb phrase
Please give me some more details with examples with "I am used to".
I use "used to" for past actions perfectly.
You could think of that "used to" in "I am used to" as an adjective.
I am confused about "I am used to"
17:41
Meaning "familiar with".
Okay.
For examples: I am used to running in the morning.
I am used to work for three hours every day.
Did they make sense?
It might make sense, but in an uncommon context, I'd say.
Okay. Please go ahead.
Anonymous
@user62015 No, it is ungrammatical.
Okay.
Please give me some examples.
Anonymous
17:44
As I said, it's "I am used to <noun phrase>"
Anonymous
You can't put a verb phrase there.
Okay.
> A: Let's run in the park together this evening!
B: Hah! Do people around here run in the evening? I'm only used to running in the morning!
Anonymous
But you can use a gerund form of a verb, which heads a noun phrase
Anonymous
As in Damkerng's example
17:45
So My first example was right?
Anonymous
?
"I am used to running in the morning" is grammatical, but rather weird. :)
Anonymous
Oh, I see
Anonymous
I only saw your second example
We cannot use any base form with "it"
Anonymous
17:46
I don't know what "it" you are referring to
It stands for I am used to
Anonymous
Yes, your first example is okay, but the second is ungrammatical.
So, it means we cannot use any base form with I am used to.
As my second example was.
@user62015 We cannot.
Anonymous
"I am used to running in the morning" means "I have grown accustomed to running in the morning"
17:48
I agree!
Anonymous
This is not the same meaning as the past habitual used to
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. May I borrow your snail picture? :-)
@snailboat Sure!
So is there anything else I should know about I am used to? Or I am done with it.
Anonymous
Those should be the basics
Anonymous
17:50
Someone could talk about the pronunciation
I agree.
Anonymous
Of both forms
Anonymous
Specifically with respect to the reduced vowel in to
Okay.
@user62015 This might help: macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/used-to -- It should cover everything you need.
17:51
Thanks for the link.
Anonymous
And also the pronunciation of used to when it's at the end of a sentence
I am checking it.
Please wait for a moment. Someone just knocked on my door.
I believe that we have a post about their pronunciations somewhere on either ELL or ELU. (Maybe both!)
Still haven't found it, but found this instead: english.stackexchange.com/questions/56518/… -- Curious!
Anonymous
Oh, that's an interesting question!
Anonymous
No one mentioned a difference as a matter of stress
18:00
I am back.
@snailboat Perhaps because some here aren't being reduced.
Thanks guys. I appreciate your help. I will check both links and the last link also.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Oh, well, I don't know if there is a difference as a matter of stress
Anyway, I found this comment. Might be a little useful:
Anonymous
I was just thinking about it
18:01
The correct way of saying this sentence is /ay'ustÉ™biyÉ™'hɪtnæn/. The important part is that "used to" must be pronounced /yustÉ™/, with an /st/, not a /zd/. This is true for the past terminative idiom in this example, and also for the different idiom be used to, meaning 'be accustomed to', as in the second clause in I used to have trouble sleeping, but now I'm used to the train whistles in the night. The construction that gets pronounced with /zd/ goes like this: A shovel is used to dig with. That's not an idiom, and not a constituent, either. — John Lawler Jul 18 at 4:41
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. But the idiom be used to doesn't have an obligatorily reduced vowel
Anonymous
Pullum gives the example "It's not what I'm used to"
Anonymous
In which sentence-final to needs a light accent and so is not reduced to schwa (although I wouldn't be surprised at it being reduced in some dialects anyway)
It's hard to reduce the final to. Not sure.
Anonymous
Hmm...
Anonymous
18:05
But thinking about it, does that apply to the habitual past used to, to?
I tried it a couple of times, and I think it works either way.
Anonymous
There's a reason I don't usually answer questions about English phonetics or phonology on ELL :-)
@snailboat How about "I used to." as a standalone sentence?
Anonymous
I find the subject profoundly counterintuitive
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. When I say it to myself, I don't reduce to
Anonymous
18:07
Ah
Anonymous
Pullum actually says:
Anonymous
Habitual past used to can be reduced at the end of a sentence, even in very careful speech
Anonymous
But he does not say it must be
Anonymous
I think he is right and Lawler is wrong
Oh, can is very important!
Anonymous
18:08
Whereas (Pullum also says) be used to at the end of a sentence cannot be reduced
Oh, this cannot is also very important!
Anonymous
Now that I understand what Pullum is saying, I think he's right about that, too
user116848
hi
user116848
How are you both?
Anonymous
Anonymous
18:14
Page 12 of this PDF (page 89 is printed in the corner) is where Pullum describes used to
Anonymous
For reference
Anonymous
@Arrowfar Hello!
@Arrowfar H! It's getting cold here.
user116848
:-)
(The rain is coming.)
user116848
18:15
I love rain :)
Oh, what happened to my i key?
user116848
So lately there have been many past simple/past perfect tense questions on ELL main site
@snailboat "Zero Sized Reply"
user116848
Which looks like a difficult topic for learners
user116848
I bet.
18:17
@Arrowfar If you're talking about that kidnapping question, I'm still thinking what kidnapped means.
@Arrowfar Because it's not really only about tenses.
user116848
Oh, no. I didn't mean that one.
user116848
@DamkerngT. I just saw the question. Yes, that one too.
user116848
@DamkerngT. Why do you think it isn't about tenses? I think it is.
It is about tenses, but it's not only about tenses. That's different.
user116848
Yes, that is true.
user116848
18:20
Not only about tenses.....:-)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Oh, the server is down!
Oh, what is happening at Stanford?!
Anonymous
I'll host it
user116848
@snailboat You teach/study at Stanford?!! :DDDDD
Anonymous
18:24
No
user116848
Oh
Anonymous
What makes you assume that? :-)
user116848
I thought......
@snailboat Thanks a lot!
user116848
1 min ago, by Damkerng T.
Oh, what is happening at Stanford?!
user116848
18:24
I thought ivy one lol
Anonymous
Stanford does coincidentally happen to be near where I live
user116848
Oh, cool
user116848
:-)
Anonymous
But in this case that's unrelated
user116848
So, what did Damk mean?
user116848
18:25
I don't get it
I wasn't able to reach the link.
user116848
Oh, that! Hehe
Anonymous
Ivan Sag was hosting the paper I linked to on a server at Stanford
user116848
I see
Anonymous
The server is temporarily down so it's not accessible there
Anonymous
18:26
So I am temporarily hosting it
user116848
Ah, the server hosting :-)
@snailboat After I heard Kirby in Combat!, I feel like everything can be reduced!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. What is Kirby in Combat! ?
Oh! I thought you'd seen that question.
Anonymous
"After I heard Kirby in Combat!, I felt like everything could be reduced!"
"Now that I've heard Kirby in Combat!, I feel like everything can be reduced!"
18:30
Thanks for the alternatives! My first thought was hearing but that didn't sound right.
0:26 - 0:48
Anonymous
Haha!
Anonymous
I remember Combat!
Anonymous
I misread what you wrote as Kirby in Combat! rather than Kirby in Combat!
Anonymous
That's why I italicized the whole phrase :-)
Anonymous
Thank you for the link! It cleared things up for me.
18:34
My bad!
Anonymous
Well, when I don't write stuff down, a lot of it goes in one ear and out the other . . . :-)
Anonymous
It's when I'm studying and taking notes that I have better retention
user116848
Yes, revision is a must. I agree.
user116848
Same here, I forget a lot of stuff too if I don't jot down
Anonymous
In American English, we don't say revision with that meaning. I didn't learn that meaning of revision until I was in my early twenties :-)
user116848
18:36
haha So I am cool :D
user116848
I know, right? ;-)
Anonymous
But now BrE revise seems fairly normal to me. I guess I've been exposed to a lot more BrE as an adult than as a child
user116848
What does AmE "revision" mean?
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Kirby sounds old-fashioned.
Anonymous
Which is not surprising.
Anonymous
18:38
@Arrowfar When you write a first draft of a story, and then you go back and revise (change and hopefully improve) it, that's revision
Anonymous
One major point of difference is when it comes to history
Anonymous
In historiography, historical revisionism is the reinterpretation of orthodox views on evidence, motivations, and decision-making processes surrounding a historical event. Though the word revisionism is sometimes used in a negative way, constant revision of history is part of the normal scholarly process of writing history. == Scholarly process == Pulitzer Prize winning historian James McPherson, writing for the American Historical Association, described the importance of revisionism: The 14,000 members of this Association, however, know that revision is the lifeblood of historical scholarship...
Anonymous
Revisionist can have a negative connotation, like in reference to holocaust deniers
Oh, that sounds rather negative. -- They say, only winners write history.
Anonymous
Anonymous
18:40
This could surprise AmE speakers! :-)
Anonymous
But mostly "revise" in AmE means "make a new version of something"
Anonymous
We'd normally just say "studying for your exams" or the like, but "review" is a decent fit as well
I never use revision in BrE sense. It's always review for me.
user116848
haha I didn't know :-)
Revision is reserved for writing only for me! -- Code in particular.
user116848
18:42
I use it in a BrE meaning. Which is pretty common I'd say. Although I am more into AmE :D
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Oh, yes, revision is common in that sense among programmers everywhere!
Anonymous
@Arrowfar Sure, it's common, just not in America
user116848
Our teachers used to say in schools: "Revise this topic for test tomorrow etc."
Anonymous
Makes sense!
user116848
Yes, not American thingy.
user116848
18:44
So in America what word do they use?
I suspect that Thai borrowed the idea of revise and made it our own word (which sounds nothing like revise or review). :)
user116848
To revise for tests etc.
You can use review, I believe.
user116848
So, I guess in America they say like: "Prepare this topic for test tomorrow"
Anonymous
Damkerng's choice of review is a good one
user116848
18:47
Oh, so you call that!
We prepare ourselves by reviewing the subject.
Anonymous
Another choice is go over
user116848
Yes
Anonymous
Go over Chapter Two again and pay special attention to the footnotes
user116848
maybe "go through"
Anonymous
18:48
Could work.
"Go through" doesn't work quite well with this Robo-ear here.
user116848
Why?
"Go over" is fine, though. I think it's a phrasal verb.
I can't imagine going through as something good to get what I read stuck in my head.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Well, it's a verb + PP idiom
Anonymous
There's no particle shift: go over chapter two but not *go chapter two over
Anonymous
18:50
So over must form a constituent with the following NP
I'm still not sure how to use the term phrasal verb properly.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Call it a "prepositional verb", if you like.
user116848
I forgot, what does PP idiom stands for?
Thanks!
user116848
"Past perfect"?
Anonymous
18:52
I try to just call it what it is
Anonymous
A verb plus a preposition phrase
Anonymous
Apologies for the abbreviation
user116848
thanks!
user116848
No it's okay
Anonymous
@Cerberus here reminds us sometimes that abbreviations aren't always helpful
user116848
Yes, he says that :-)
Anonymous
In general, when I say NP VP PP AdjP AdvP, I mean noun/verb/preposition/adjective/adverb phrase
Anonymous
There is an additional type in certain theories of syntax called DP, but I avoid ever using this term without defining it because people use it very differently and it's a nontraditional category whose meaning may not be obvious to begin with . . .
user116848
haha The author in above article is absolutely right when he says: "..........or the instructions for setting up a wireless home network?"
user116848
I once tried to do it myself but the instructions were so complex looking (Wi Fi settings)
18:57
In any case, communication always has two ends.
The best manual could mean nothing if the owner didn't read it!
(Happened to me a lot of times!)
Anonymous
Stephen King says that writing is a kind of telepathy.
user116848
> Plaid-clad tech writers get their revenge on the jocks who kicked sand in their faces and the girls who turned them down for dates.
user116848
LOL
Anonymous
You write down what you have in your head, and if you've done it right, the reader gets something similar in their head :-)
Anonymous
Yeah, stereotypes are silly.
user116848
18:58
I love Stephen King's writing
user116848
Although some dirtiness in his novels
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