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8:00 PM
Basically I am trying to point out is that , you aren't sure if objects with more inertia fall a tad bit faster . You can't ever be sure .
Because newton's law itself is an experiment law.
 
One of the assumptions of special relativity is that a uniform gravitational field is identical to acceleration. It isn't a measurement of the real world but an exact assumption.
 
Yes .
May be , because I didn't read the relativity part of the book , now your statement makes me feel mine is wrong . But I quoted what was written in the book.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if general relativity is only a very good approximation of things. Especially if gravity really is a quantum phenomena.
 
Can you then support your reasoning ? As to inertial mass which we defined according to accelerations through interactions turned out to be something cosmic . How did that happen ?
Its like I defined a metre and that metre turned out be something cosmic in whose terms the universe measured itself .
 
@BrandonEnright general relativity, actually
 
8:06 PM
Or may be special relativity's assumption too is just an approximation ?
 
But yes, general relativity fully explains why gravitational mass and inertial mass are equal
 
Principle of Equivalence it is ? What you said @Brandon
@DavidZaslavsky They are fully equal ? Or approximately ?
 
Precisely equal
 
Precisely = Absolutely ?
 
8:09 PM
They are equal. Period. As in, in GR there is no distinction to be made between gravitational and inertial mass because they are the same thing.
 
i think i did it
 
@nonagon it's not a matter of measurement. It's not like measuring a meter where you can only get so many decimal places of precision. The concept of distance is a concept and the meter just happens to be a fixed unit of distance. A meter and a foot are two different measures but the thing they are measuring (distance) is EXACTLY the same thing.
 
I'm not sure about dimensions though, so I may have made a couple of errors
 
Alright , thank you .
 
@DavidZaslavsky you're right! I thought special relativity also handled cases of constant acceleration and uniform gravitational fields and general relativity handled non-uniform / changing acceleration and gravitational fields. It seems special relativity doesn't handle acceleration at all. It's been too many years since I did this stuff :-)
 
8:15 PM
You can handle accelerated motion in SR, but not gravity. It always assumes flat spacetime.
 
And F=ma in general relativity ?
 
@nonagon No. GR only has F=ma in the limiting case of low velocities and low acceleration
 
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@nonagon well.... sorta..... under appropriate reinterpretations of F and a
 
Then what is inertial mass ?
Inertial mass got defined due to F=ma
 
mass in an inertial frame of reference, duh
 
8:19 PM
If F!=ma , then how can m in newtonian terms equal the inertial mass in General Relativity ?
by m I mean inertia in newtonian mechanics
 
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@nonagon In GR the mass of a test particle is generally meaningless if it is only influenced by "gravity," so we don't worry too much about it
 
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this might be a bit advanced, but the equivalent of "F = ma" in GR is called the geodesic equation
 
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for a "free" particle, under the influence of perhaps gravity but nothing more
 
ok , thanks .
 
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look that up - I can't express it without tex :P
 
8:28 PM
Geodesic Equation ?
 
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yeah
 
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but in general, you can throw more terms on the right-hand side, so instead of 0 you might have q/m * F^\mu_\nu dx^\nu/d\lambda
 
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where F is the electromagnetic field tensor, q is the particle's charge, and m is its rest mass, which may as well be considered inertial mass here
 
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sorry got to go now
 
8:44 PM
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Q: Calculating position in space assuming general relativity

anonymousSuppose two pointed masses are given in space. Suppose further that one of the masses has a given velocity at (local) time 0. Is there a way to compute its position in a future time? Neglecting general relativity, I will simply compute an integral, but with general relativity, we see that the me...

might be useful
 
9:26 PM
General relativity is so much more complicated than special. It was impressive enough that Einstein developed SR. Turning that into GR is incredible.
 
9:53 PM
@Gugg Amusingly, most of the friction he had with Philosophy appears to be due to his refusal to correctly spell Nietzsche. I can't imagine he would have intentionally misspelled t' Hooft, though.
 
@ColinMcFaul Ron's profiles are always so entertaining. From his Philosophy profile "I believe the field is bankrupt intellectual fraud, with a handful of honest practitioners who didn't achieve any progress, because they are drowned out by impressive sounding political clowns."
 
10:17 PM
@ColinMcFaul You misspelled it as well :P Not sure if it was intentional
 
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@Brandon interestingly, that's not too far from what several notable philosophers themselves thought of the field (Kant comes to mind)
 
@ChrisWhite I'm not familiar enough with the field. Most of the philosophy I've read is philosophy of the mind and especially the Penrose idea of quantum wavefunction collapse being the underlying mechanism neurons use.
My point is primarily that if you want to be respected at all you probably shouldn't hurl generic insults at an entire field.
 
I find a lot of philosophy pointless
There's interesting stuff there, but a lot of it is pointless
 
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10:33 PM
@ManishEarth I'm hurt - that's my field of study :P
 
Hmm this Kant guy sounds interesting. I especially agree with the quote from Wikipedia "Kant believed the concepts of space and time were programmed into the human brain, as was the notion of cause and effect. We never have direct experience of things"
 
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*well, after physics and math
 
@ChrisWhite well, in the end, ALL science is philosophy in a way :P
 
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@BrandonEnright forewarning - Kant is very deep and difficult to understand - I'm only familiar with his works because I did multiple 1-on-1 studies with professors on them
 
I'm not sure how appropriate it is to discuss here however after experimenting with some powerful dissociative drugs I have a much greater appreciation for how much of our perception of the world is based on our brain trying to maintain the illusion consistency.
 
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10:36 PM
@BrandonEnright that said, he was remarkably astute and generally good at getting things right (did you know he was the first to really advocate the idea of galaxies being "island universes" separate from the Milky way?)
 
@ChrisWhite this is basically the first I've heard of him.
 
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@ManishEarth A philosophy student once complained to me that every time philosophy discovered something cool, it was renamed into a field of "science" and philosophers weren't allowed to think about it anymore
 
@ChrisWhite Exactly
 

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