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Silly Goose

00:10

maybe i should just consider particle in a box

Leaky Nun

hmm

two electrons in one atom will be the non-linear example right

Tobias Fünke

why do you think so?

Leaky Nun

i mean i don't really see why

Tobias Fünke

it does not change the structure of QM

Leaky Nun

i just said that because to my knowledge nobody has solved the equation for that case right

Silly Goose

00:14

i guess actually i should do particle outside a box lol. let's see if i can do a bvp~

Tobias Fünke

@SillyGoose hehe good luck

Silly Goose

this would be a good undergrad qm exam question xD

Leaky Nun

wait, the mass is the difficult part about the helium atom??

am i understanding this correctly

i'm not sure i have

which part is the difficult part?

@TobiasFünke i'm reading the wiki page, and it says, "The inequality at the heart of the uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics follows from the properties of Fourier integrals and from assuming time invariance."; which, very well, but why does the constant in that equation have the value that it has?

if that value is in our magnitude, then we would have quantum behaviours right?

(i mean u could also say that atoms would not exist, or atoms would be scaled up to our magnitude, so we would have existed in an even higher magnitude, etc.)

Tobias Fünke

00:37

Sorry, I cannot quite follow your thoughts. In any case, consider this PSE thread:

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Q: Why do universal constants have the values they do?

This is meant to be a generic question of the type that we get repeatedly on this site, in different versions: The origin of the value of speed of light The gravitational constant G theoretically? What if Planck's constant were smaller or bigger than it is? Why do universal constants have the...

Relativisticcucumber

what did ohm say when his circuit blew

2

ohm no

Tobias Fünke

and also this

Fine-tuned universe

The fine-tuned universe is the hypothesis that, because "life as we know it" could not exist if the constants of nature – such as the electron charge, the gravitational constant and others – had been even slightly different, the universe is tuned specifically for life. In practice, this hypothesis is formulated in terms of dimensionless physical constants. == History == In 1913, chemist Lawrence Joseph Henderson wrote The Fitness of the Environment, one of the first books to explore fine tuning in the universe. Henderson discusses the importance of water and the environment to living thin...

@Relativisticcucumber ohm y god

qwerty

@Relativisticcucumber "aaaRRRR"

Tobias Fünke

hehe

@qwerty I skimmed through some of your answers, and I couldn't see something "bad" which IMHO would require a downvote or so. Don't worry too much

qwerty

:) thanks @TobiasFünke

Tobias Fünke

00:48

I'll go to sleep. See you around :) good night

qwerty

good night!

Silly Goose

01:24

Lol

Jagerber48

01:57

Trying to better understand the discussion in this question: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/819825/generators-of-rotations-j-i-j-j-epsilon-ijk-j-k-and-j-i-jk-e

It seems to be pointed out that it is "special" that in $SO(3)$ the adjoint and defining representations coincide. But I can't see why this wouldn't be the case for any Lie Group? The defining representation always has the same dimension as the group right? Does the adjoint representation not also have the same dimension?

In question form:

- For a Lie Group/Algebra, do the defining representations and adjoint representations always coincide (that is are they always isomorphic)? If not, why?

Silly Goose

02:15

@Jagerber48 What do you think the dimension of the representations tells you?

Jagerber48

I feel like this is a leading question leading me to the possible point that maybe it IS true that the adjoint and defining representations always have the same dimensions, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are isomorphic?

Silly Goose

yes. dimensionality of representation is a necessary but not sufficient condition for two representations to be isomorphic.

Jagerber48

I'm really only used to representation theory of like SO(3) and SU(2) and in those cases I think there is only one representation of each dimension. So if two representations have the same dimension they must be the same. But perhaps this doesn't hold for all lie groups

Silly Goose

you are correct. for representation theory of $SU(2)$ (and $SO(3)$) it conveniently turns out that all same dimension irreducible representations are isomorphic.

this is not a generic fact

Jagerber48

Ok. SO then am I also correct that for ALL Lie groups the adjoint representation has the same dimension as the defining representation?

Silly Goose

02:18

i think at least for matrix lie groups this seems true.

since the defining representation of a matrix lie group would be something like $\pi: G \to GL_n(\mathbb{R})$ and the adjoint representation would be $\text{Ad}: G \to GL(\mathfrak{g})$ and $\text{dim} \mathfrak{g} = \text{dim} \mathbb{R}^n$

Jagerber48

Ok. This coincidence feels like the key to helping me understand the equation in the title of this question. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/819552/how-to-prove-ei-theta-2-hatn-cdot-sigma-sigma-e-i-theta-2-hatn

Namely that we can implement a unitary transformation of a pauli vector either by conjugating by exponentiated pauli matrices, or by doing regular multiplication with a rotation matrix (the matrix exponential of a 3x3 skew symmetric matrix)

Jagerber48

02:38

Is it true that there is only one representation of each dimension for SO(N) and/or SU(N)?

naturallyInconsistent

06:27

@HerrFeinmann why would miao miao wanna stop a nice magnetic field discussion?

naturallyInconsistent

07:27

@Allie Miao miao just got green lit a mini project that might become a paper. YAY! The professor we've consulted felt that it is doable, but gave the most laugh-cry warning: That the paper could be really well-done, yet face cryptic reviewers who dont understand the point of the paper's existence, and elect instead not to publish

qwerty

exciting stuff nI :)

Tobias Fünke

07:48

@naturallyInconsistent nice. can you reveal the very rough topic?

just out of interest. if not, I can fully understand

Tobias Fünke

08:01

@Jagerber48 no. take e.g. $SO(3)$ (for the sake of example). Then it has its defining representation "3D rotation matrices" and there always exists the representation which maps all elements to the identity (map) (say, here in 3D). So you have two representations of the same dimension.

Jagerber48

@TobiasFünke wouldn’t the trivial representation be 0-D compared to 3-D for the defining representation?

Tobias Fünke

no. it is a representation on any finite-dimensional vector space, in particular you can choose $d=3$

for the case of irreducible representations, see e.g. this answer

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A: Dimension of representations of Lorentz Group

No, the loss of uniqueness does not have to do with the non-compactness of the Lorentz group. The fact that there is only one irreducible representation of any given dimension is special to the group $SU(2)$ (and by extension, to $SO(3)$). It is not true even for other compact semisimple Lie grou...

naturallyInconsistent

08:38

@TobiasFünke nookooliar fooshun. There had been plenty of noisy ppl going on and on about the cold one, which, as everybody who actually knows about the topic, also knows that the low energy probabilities are of no practical importance, because even if you increase it by 10000x, the ridiculously low cross section would still make it useless. So, miao miao found a thing that might help pin the numbers down. Hopefully to shut them up

Tobias Fünke

@naturallyInconsistent nice. good luck with that!

ooooor...during your research you find it is possible and change the teams hehe

naturallyInconsistent

I'm definitely not thinking it is going to work. The numbers are SOOO out of whack. Like, they have been arguing non-stop for decades about the amount of electron screening that will be helping. The cheap estimate miao miao furnishes, says that it is only about 550eV at best, vastly insufficient compared to what is needed.

But the nice thing miao miao is gonna do, is to bring the analytical + numerical approximations to the problem. Make every computation obviously numerically stable and convergent, so that there is nothing to argue about the result, as long as one still accepts the standard assumptions that make the chemical elements a useful concept in itself.

When miao miao read Hagelstein's papers covering the nookooliar-phonon interaction, and the papers assert that it is some nano- whatever units it was, miao miao had too much to laugh and nearly went to work late because of that.

Tobias Fünke

08:59

hehe

ACuriousMind

09:22

@Jagerber48 The defining representation is not always the adjoint. It's already not the adjoint for one of your two examples! SU(2)'s defining representation is 2d complex, but it's a 3d (real) Lie group (the adjoint is isomorphic to the defining rep of SO(3))

@Jagerber48 No, this is already false for SU(3), where you have (at least) two irreducible representations of each dimension since they are not isomorphic to their conjugates. Look into Young tableaux if you want to understand the rep theory of SU(N)

@qwerty You need to be careful about the notion of "local" there (many aren't): It is not true that you can find a neighbourhood of any point such that that nbd is isometric to Minkowski space (if you can, your manifold is flat), it is only true that you can find an isometry such that at one point in the nbd the metric is the Minkowski metric (cf. Riemann normal coordinates).

The "in a patch it looks like Minkowski" that physicists often use sounds like the former, but they only mean the latter

qwerty

@ACuriousMind would it be correct to say I was not being rigorous enough: I guess what I meant is that you can approximate your lab to be Minkowski? I guess on reflection if I wanted to pin down what's going on I would have started talking about tetrads which live on the tangent space at the point, rather than a local patch? or do I misunderstand you?

if it's so I will edit my answer to be more precise

ACuriousMind

09:44

@qwerty it's correct that you can approximate your lab to be Minkowski if you're not in a strong gravitational field, but it's an approximation, you are not just "picking the right coordinates"

In Riemann normal coordinates there are non-Minkowski terms of second order and higher away from the one point where the metric is Minkowski, and the approximation is that you're just dropping them (and it would not be good to do that in a strong field e. g. while falling into a black hole :P)

qwerty

"you are not just "picking the right coordinates"" - I don't think of coordinates per se? whenever I think about this stuff I just think it's a kinda 4d version of approximating a curved line by a tangent straight line at a point.

ACuriousMind

But your answer talks about coordinates for a "small patch of Minkowski spacetime" without the caveat that the existence of such a patch is an approximation

qwerty

you're right there's the inbuilt assumption of it being weak field and I should state the assumptions: i suppose I was thinking that if you "zoom in" for shorter length(?) scales for your lab as the field strength goes up, the principle of the idea still holds

ACuriousMind

Sure but in very strong fields it breaks down - a blackhole will spaghettify even very small things

And zooming in beyond the size of elementary particles is a questionable solution :P

qwerty

@ACuriousMind mhm, you're right. I think I was blurring the language with reading some basic diff geo last month that talks about local coordinate charts ('patches') and defining manifolds. I'll think about how to reword things.

Herr Feinmann

10:13

I think that spaghettification depends on the BH

I'm not sure a RN BH or a Kerr BH would spaghettify you. A Schwarzschild BH will

Do I misremember?

qwerty

I have never studied BHs really xD

Herr Feinmann

Trivial application of GR :P

-some guy in a MIT OCW

John Rennie

@HerrFeinmann The spaghettification is a measure of the tidal forces.

And RN and Kerr black holes also have tidal forces at their (outer) horizons.

Herr Feinmann

Okay, I see. Don't you need to fall into the singularity to be completely spaghettified, though?

RN and Kerr will sure stretch you

Apparently I misrembered, or I had a wrong idea of being spaghettified in the first place :P

ACuriousMind

When you hit the singularity you get farfalle'd instead

John Rennie

10:30

The tidal forces become infinite at the singularity, though note that for the RN and Kerr black holes the interior isn't stable to perturbations and those geometries would never occur in real life.

The tidal forces at the horizon are finite but for stellar mass black holes they are plenty strong enough to ensure your (messy) death!

Slereah

11:57

I would guess once the length scale of the curvature is getting smaller than the length scale of the energy of your field, shenanigans happen

Probably some weird shit like graviton pair production

Saying that it's locally euclidian doesn't mean that much considering "locally" means literally "at a point"

If it's significantly curved in a region of a picometer it's still gonna have a lot of effects

Herr Feinmann

12:21

@ACuriousMind Your pasta knowledge is impressive. Can you show me more? :P

Prashant Gokaraju

Slereah, please check out my paper 'naive perturbation analysis of general relativity'. As you said, gauge invariance of the operators is preserved if the curvature is smaller than the length scale of energy. However, the naive analysis is only possible if gauge invariance is abandoned.

qwerty

@HerrFeinmann 'Spaghettieis' :p

Herr Feinmann

This is my test for you, ACM. What do you think of penne lisce?

This one question will decide if I can keep being your disciple

Or if I have to join the dark side to annihilate you

@qwerty Spaghetti, tonnarelli, linguine, tagliatelle. Only a wise (wo)man could employ each of these properly

Long pasta is a big deal

qwerty

Spaghettieis

Spaghettieis (German pronunciation: [ʃpaˈɡɛtiˌaɪs]), or spaghetti ice cream, is a German ice cream dish made to resemble a plate of spaghetti. In the dish, vanilla ice cream is extruded through a modified Spätzle press or potato ricer, giving it the appearance of spaghetti. It is then placed over whipped cream and topped with strawberry sauce (to simulate tomato sauce) and either coconut flakes, grated almonds, or white chocolate shavings to represent the parmesan cheese. Besides the usual dish with strawberry sauce, one may also find variations like ice cream with dark chocolate and nuts, simulating...

Herr Feinmann

OH GOD WHAT IS THIS MONSTROSITY

Why is there ice cream on spaghetti... WHY?!?!

Oh, not real spaghetti

Loong

12:27

@HerrFeinmann I thought the usual test is pineapple on pizza.

qwerty

german hybridisation of two of italy's most cherished foods: spaghetti and gelato

Herr Feinmann

@Loong ACM is no fool. It wouldn't work on him. Incidentally, you might want to read this:

Nov 2 at 16:39, by Mr. Feynman

Incidentally, there was a famous pizza chef in Naples who made pineapple pizza to show that sometimes people speak out of prejudice :P

qwerty

> initially, children who were served spaghettieis broke into tears because they wanted ice cream and not a plate of spaghetti.

Herr Feinmann

@qwerty At least it just resembles it. It's funny. There is actually a Michelin star restaurant (if not more) in which they make these "fake" dishes

The US way of doing would be more like: oh, spaghetti taste good and so does gelato. Let's mix them :P

Tobias Fünke

@qwerty hahahahhahaha

qwerty

12:32

we clearly need to send gelato into a black hole for the real deal

Tobias Fünke

wait. qwerty, how come you know so many german things (apparently)?

ACuriousMind

@HerrFeinmann uh...I prefer rigate, I think?

Herr Feinmann

it's the season finale. We're about to learn the plot twist that qwerty was German all along

@ACuriousMind good boy

Tobias Fünke

@HerrFeinmann ACM's sock puppet account

hehe

Herr Feinmann

Well, now that you mention it I have never seen ACM and qwerty in the same (real) room

Tobias Fünke

12:37

yes. very suspicious

qwerty

@TobiasFünke I love learning about different cultures all over the world - mostly wikipedia and youtube. I also have a couple of German acquaintances/ex-colleagues/friends :) but I don't think it was that much through them

Tobias Fünke

I see

Herr Feinmann

@TobiasFünke Our investigation is far from over :P

qwerty

in my early 20s I spent a short amount of time in the south of europe, but that was more generalised european culture shock :p

Herr Feinmann

I have a history at accusing people of being someone's second account and failing miserably

Tobias Fünke

12:39

hehe

Herr Feinmann

Am I in my early 20s?

Tobias Fünke

@HerrFeinmann at some point you will succeed

Herr Feinmann

What's the boundary?

@TobiasFünke a broken clock is right twice a day

Tobias Fünke

<25 I'd say

Herr Feinmann

I'm in my early 20s

Tobias Fünke

12:41

maybe even <24 hehe. then 24,25,26 would be "mid 20s" and 27,28,29, late 20s or so

Herr Feinmann

Oh god I'm an old boy

Madder

Am i crazy, or the graphs that are even are NOT closed?

A Closed graph is one that loops right? like $v^3$

ACuriousMind

12:59

@Madder depends on what notion of "closed" you mean, but in the sense of "closure" of graph theory (cf. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…), all those graphs are their own closure

That is, I don't know what the text means by only the even ones being closed either

Madder

13:31

Well that does not help much.

Silly Goose

14:49

how come perturbation theory is not done in classical EM?

@HerrFeinmann Lol

@TobiasFünke do you know what all the rage is with fractons? To my searching, they don't exist (yet). So why are people investing and incentivizing so much theoretical work into them?

Tobias Fünke

hi

no, sorry, no idea. but then again I barely have read something about this topic

Herr Feinmann

15:13

I'm a little confused in the derivation of London equation (probably this is a textbook level question): as I understand there are two relevant electron densities: $n_s$ for SC electrons and $n_n$ for normal ones

Why in London equations only $n_s$ appears?

It seems that even when using Ampére's law we only consider the magnetic induction generated by the SC current

Herr Feinmann

15:51

Could this be the reason? Does short-circuit mean that they do not intervene here?

uhoh

16:07

0

Q: Where in the world does GPS time proceed at one second per second? Is there a map?

The definition, measurement, and distribution of what time it is is a complicated thing, and only certain sturdy folks have the patience to understand it really and fully. It suddenly dawned on me that GPS time (for example) is a purely artificial construct. Zillions of things on Earth depend on ...

time gps spacetime

imbAF

16:37

I was discussing with someone about Nobel prizes and field medals, and to my surprise I found out that Germany has a low nr. of winners in field medal, while france which is right at the border, is like nr.2 with only 4 less than the US. How did this happen, considering the leagues of mathematicians Germany had before?

Tobias Fünke

17:00

France is quite good in STEM, and particularly math. I cannot give a precise reason, but they have pretty good unis/grand écoles

Germany has, of course, Bonn as a flag ship; I guess it is the most famous uni for math here

and what do you mean with "before" exactly? Before WWII, indeed Germany was a hotspot for STEM, especially physics and math

imbAF

17:25

Yes, that's what I mean. Up until then, a big chunk of mathematicians where from Germany.

But to see the big disparity right now (with france) I find it quite odd.

DIRAC1930

What's everyone favourite textbooks?

Herr Feinmann

17:41

@TobiasFünke baguette is the reason

@TobiasFünke sauerkraut

I wish you mentioned italy so I could say spaghetti

Tobias Fünke

@imbAF well, at least they came to Germany to study/do their research

imbAF

Also. But a large amount where from Germany.

Unless the education system and the way the French approach STEM was developed so fast that was able not only to catch up but overcome that of Germany's. Then a clear decline is evident

Though a more thorough research need to be done one the matter, I suppose

Tobias Fünke

Sure, over the history there were many extremely famous german mathematicians; but the same holds for nearly every other country, and especially France.

imbAF

I am not saying otherwise

Tobias Fünke

France was always strong in math/physics

imbAF

17:46

I merely pointing out the fact that the disparity between the 2 countries wasn't as big as it is right now

So either one was able to sky rocket in the way they were conducting science, or the other one regressed or stagnated

ACuriousMind

@imbAF ...do you not know why a lot of leading scientists left Germany around, uh, 1933-45???

imbAF

I know but that is irrelevant to the discussion

ACuriousMind

no, it is very much the reason why Germany lost its leading role in the sciences

imbAF

But it is not

If the system is there, people can come and go

As long as the system works as it should

You should produce the same quality of product

ACuriousMind

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Most of the scientists that left didn't particularly want to come back.

imbAF

17:51

The system

ACuriousMind

And people follow the big names, so the next generation of scientists - their disciples - was raised elsewhere

imbAF

@ACuriousMind I don't know about that

Tobias Fünke

exactly

imbAF

But the system is not the same as the product. If you have a well established way of making STEM fields desirable and accessible and you have developed efficient and good ways of "discovering" potential

you should be able to, regardless of period

produce a high nr. of scientists.

ACuriousMind

@imbAF this is so uncontroversial that it's in the intro of the Wiki article on Science in Germany

imbAF

17:54

No, I mean

I don't necessarily think, that people follow where famous scientists go

ACuriousMind

@imbAF I don't know what you think "the system" consists of. The primary component of the academic system is academics, i.e. well-established scientists who teach their skills to the next generation

And post-WW2 Germany didn't have a lot of excellent scientists/teachers left.

Herr Feinmann

Germany if ACM didn't leave academia:

imbAF

And you are saying that, that is the main reason for Germany not being at the same level as it was in the turn of the 20th century or even before?

ACuriousMind

if you wanted to be a great scientist, you wanted to be the doctoral student of the greats who had emigrated (or their students) and so you followed them instead of staying in Germany (of course not everyone did this, but it's the principle at work)

imbAF

same level = producing STEM field graduates

ACuriousMind

18:00

@imbAF Yes, Nazi Germany driving out large parts of the scientific elite as fugitives and destroying Germany's prestige as a nation of scientists and thinkers is the well-established reason for Germany's decline in terms of "top scientists" winning Nobel Prizes or other honours.

It's not a particularly mysterious event :P

imbAF

I would assume so, giving the fact that there was a war going etc

But, one would think

That would be something that would impact the period when that happened. But for something like that to have such long lasting affects it's kind of hard to imagine.

When I asked my friend

what do you mean low amount, I expected him to tell me that there was a difference

but I never imagined it to be like 13 to 2 or something like that

I was baffled

Which them, made me question, what is it that the french are doing that they can produce so many field medal winners, in a, one can say, consistent manner

that Germany ain't

Slereah

18:39

I'm not seeing France staying that strong in the sciences for much longer tbh

Bad science financing

They benefit from the fact that nobel prizes lag far behind periods of good science activities but that won't last forever

ACuriousMind

@Slereah i.e. they're not giving you money? ;)

Slereah

The most important part, yes

imbAF

@Slereah shouldn't that be the same for every country?

why would France be the only beneficiary ?

Slereah

Many countries have a hard time doing it!

and do not typically want to that much

giving money to a bunch of lazybones like scientists is typically not a high priority for most states

and when they do they typically want immediate results

So industrial science stuff

You're not getting a good scientific culture like that

imbAF

So not the real impactful deal

then

Slereah

18:43

The solution is to just give money to scientists but most states are pretty tight fisted wrt research money

imbAF

But that should be the priority in a proper functioning society

Though perfect and reality are far apart unfortunately

Slereah

I'll confirm that the day I find a proper functioning society

imbAF

Aim to be a proper functioning society*

Slereah

hell even that is a pretty high bar for most countries

Modern day politicians prefer to go with austerity than funding

imbAF

It's things that prevent scientific development to its greatest realistic extend that make me a firm believer that the best governing way is Scientism

Slereah

18:46

I mean historically that too had pretty mixed results :p

imbAF

@Slereah politicians are like Icemans, they shouldn't exist anymore

Slereah

Although it gave us some bitching designs

Project Cybersyn

Project Cybersyn was a Chilean project from 1971 to 1973 during the presidency of Salvador Allende aimed at constructing a distributed decision support system to aid in the management of the national economy. The project consisted of four modules: an economic simulator, custom software to check factory performance, an operations room, and a national network of telex machines that were linked to one mainframe computer. Project Cybersyn was based on viable system model theory approach to organizational design and featured innovative technology for its time. It included a network of telex machines...

imbAF

@Slereah I don't think it was ever tried. Well actually governing systems are not tried, they are enforced in one way or another

Slereah

Nah there was plenty of attempts at technocratic style government in the early 20th century

it was a somewhat popular idea

imbAF

where was it tried?

Slereah

18:48

partly why people soured on the notion in modern times

various places, for instance ie the soviet union with central planning

imbAF

Like obviously, Scientism like the rest, is flawed. But it is way less flawed compared to anything else, I so believe

Slereah

Well the hard part is 1) what are the goals you set for your scientism 2) do you have good models 3) do you have adequate means to get data 4) do you have the way to actually implement things

imbAF

@Slereah Soviet union wouldn't be the best example, considering that it was communism.

Slereah

Why wouldn't it

I can tell you that actually doing it was a nightmare certainly

like this was before computers

They had to try to plan the entire economy with pens and papers

imbAF

But where the people planning, proficient and experts of the respective fields?

Like, you have politicians, talking about energy etc

Slereah

18:51

I mean they had experts, sure

imbAF

and they have a degree in Law

Slereah

But there are problems even beyond that

Like realistically they couldn't model everything, especially before computers

You couldn't ask them to try to model the production of every item in the economy, likely millions of them

imbAF

I mean, that is a technicality regarding how one would implement Scientism. That is a whole and extremely long discussion

Slereah

So typically the model was flattened to about 10,000 of them which were assumed to be representative

imbAF

@Slereah and how were they selected ?

Slereah

18:53

But if you try to ie represent every type and diameter of steel pipe with a single "steel pipe" variable, what is gonna happen

What usually happened is that factories just made the cheapest version of these

and people who needed specific pipes were usually left without any

so there were long ass waiting periods for items

imbAF

Isn't that a production issue?

Slereah

I mean what would you do instead :p

If you want to run your state with Science it's the type of thing you have to figure out

imbAF

I am not saying that scientism is the perfect way to govern. Far from it. BUT it is the best possible one. Starting from the premises that only people EXPERT in a certain area are the one who take decisions.

Slereah

Ironically it might be more doable these days with big data

@imbAF I mean I don't necessarily disagree but it is a little funny that you assume that, ie against the scientific method

imbAF

What do you mean against it ?

Slereah

18:57

well to prove that this is the best way to run things you'd have to try it and encounter success!

imbAF

Exactly

You should try it

And I doubt

Slereah

They have yet to allow me to run the country 😔

imbAF

there is a situation where someone who has a law degree and is the minister of finance or agriculture or w/e will be a better fit than an economist or idk botanist or something like that. You get the idea

of what I mean

Slereah

but then how do you decide who is the best fit for such a thing

imbAF

through nation wide competition

Slereah

18:59

But what is the competition

ACuriousMind

@imbAF Impossibly naive. Politics is mostly not about solving textbook problems with a single correct answer, but making decisions on the basis of unclear data while dozens of different interest groups try to convince you their solution is the best.

Also, what if the "experts" decide you should starve as a result of the most efficient allocation of resources?

Slereah

Like typically you don't need one expertise to run a whole department

It is the confluence of many

ACuriousMind

"let's be ruled by experts" is just oligarchy by another name

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