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01:54
@ACuriousMind sadly i have indeed not had the pleasure
@HerrFeinmann tru dat homeslice
@think_meaning_buildß math is "do worry about it" where each time you encounter something you never imagined could be worried about
@Relativisticcucumber actually, it is more of a pleasure to have not needed to see it
 
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04:31
@Relativisticcucumber Grassmann numbers are heuristically “numbers” that anti-commute with each other. They are used to encode fermionic anti-commutation at a classical field theory level, among other things.
 
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05:32
Grassmann fields are uncool
I ain't using no damn non-c-numbers
The triple negative is intentional :P
06:32
@SillyGoose Yupp I'm an undergrad,but I've already had an EM course based off griffiths,this time it's based off Landau n Lifshitz's second volume :')
But one good thing this time is there is no macroscopic electromagnetism stuff at all,it's just going to be point charges in vacuum,so no eternal stomach aches caused by averaging : )
06:51
hi
@Arjun EM sounds ugly
@HerrFeinmann relatable haha
@Relativisticcucumber great. congratz! :)
07:22
@HerrFeinmann but what about Graßmann fields ;)
07:58
He is talking about algebras which are associative, not aßociative
08:32
@naturallyI Continuing our conversation about gamma rays... Photodisintegration is pretty important in stars that are burning neon (& beyond). It typically "knocks one or more neutrons, protons, or an alpha particle out of the nucleus".
Such reactions are endothermic (since they're fissioning small nuclei), so you get a negatve feedback loop: high temperature gives more gammas, causing more photodisintegration, which lowers the temperature. So this helps to stabilise the temperature.
Also, many of the heavier fusion steps involve fusing an alpha to a nucleus. But in the core of a star burning heavy stuff there isn't much primordial helium, or helium that the star produced while fusing hydrogen. So the required alphas mostly come from photodisintegration.
Those heavy fusion stages only last a few years, but they produce several fairly important elements. I have links to the relevant Wikipedia articles on the various stellar fusion reactions at the end of this answer: astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/43908/16685 Sure, it's only Wiki, but those articles are all quite good, with links to decent references.
08:51
Def: Sample space $ \Omega $ of an experiment or random trial is the set of all possible outcomes or results of that experiment.
Is this equal to the set of microstates for a given Ensemble $\Omega(E,V,N)?$
Maybe. ;) It depends on what data your experiment is recording. The start of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstate_(statistical_mechanics) covers it pretty well.
good morning everyone
I use the convention of giving greetings from my timezone. So, evening. ;)
me too haha
It's the sensible thing to do in a global online community. :)
We've had a quiet day, so far, thankfully. No stupid trolls. No dumps of ChatGTA slop.
09:04
yes, luckily
09:33
@PM2Ring actually, we should be tagging @Loong about this. Hey Loong, I just commented on an answer of PM2Ring's, that you can read here and the comment thread underneath. In short, do you know of a definite advantage of the definition you like?
@PM2Ring nice
We're so used to stellar processes lasting billions of years, or millions of years for big stars. So it can be a bit surprising that some of the final fusion stages only last a few years, or even days.
@Loong context for PM2Ring about why I am tagging Loong
Beethoven's composition at 0:52 does not blend in with the rest of the symphony
@naturallyInconsistent Loong & I have had lots of conversations about radioactive stuff.
09:44
@Relativisticcucumber it is a mess. It can be a superposition of both the fundamental electron field wave, and the Fermi quasi-particle wave. Clearly too long to fit inside the margins there, and thus omitted from discussion
A week or so ago, there was a news item about using carbon-14 diamond as an energy source. The idea has been floating around for a while. The news was about a successful test involving a thin layer of C-14 sandwiched between normal C-12 symthetic diamond, to create a betavoltaic device.
it is disjoint from the rest. i think Beethovan couldn't figure out how to do this part
@PM2Ring sounds like it will be a hard thing to make ba dum tsh
but what would be its intended use case? A battery for pacemakers?
@RyderRude It's not a symphony. It's just a little tune. A mere bagatelle... ;)
@naturallyInconsistent Things that only require microwatts, but for a long time.
@PM2Ring oh. so symphony is used for the longer compositions
it is still a great tune from Beethoven. but there are parts that r disjoint
i think it is often in older classical music that the composer keeps repeating the same tune for long and then to spice it up adds something which feels like a different song
09:51
The intended sized units don't put out enough juice for a pacemaker. Not like what's in these babies...
@PM2Ring ... for 10000 years... surely we dont need something to last that long...
@naturallyInconsistent Talk about set & forget. :)
@RyderRude Yes. Like 20 minutes or more. And with more structure.
@PM2Ring can you give me a difference? or some sort of difference in the definition? intuitively they seem aquivalent
@PM2Ring oh
If I did the arithmetic right, 1 gram of fresh C-14 puts out ~1.3 milliwatts. That's going from the weighted mean beta emission energy, 49 keV, with an activity of 164.9 GBq/g.
(FWIW, 1 gram is 5 carats)
09:59
@RyderRude that's Mozart's disdain for his contemporaries. Even his earlier works are like that, but it quickly evolved to emphasise a certain style of "sum is larger than parts" and smooth transitions and so forth.
@RyderRude The technology of the 20th century kind of warped our sense of how long a piece of music should be. It really focused on short pieces. The early early phonograph records could only hold a few minutes.
Long-playing records didn't really become available until the mid-late 1950s. And short pieces worked well on commercial radio. Of course, there have always been short songs, and short-ish dance tunes. But a lot of older compositions are quite long, which permits a much more elaborate structure.
@Madder Here's a crude example
@Madder Here's a crude example. Say you have 10 coins. You toss them all multiple times & record the outcomes. If you record the heads/tails state of each coin, then you have microstates. But if you only record the total number of heads each time, then you just have the macrostate.
@PM2Ring that makes sense. I thought that our understanding of music has changed over time. but it was forced to change becuz of the technology
@PM2Ring i don't feel elaborate structure in these pieces. It feels like the composer didn't know what to do next
@naturallyInconsistent Mozart's pieces seem to have the same problem. but good for Mozart for recognising this problem
but even today, one has rap thrown into many songs after two choruses. but people have accepted this structure
10:21
@RyderRude Für Elise isn't an elaborate piece. As I said earlier, it's just a simple tune, probably intended to be suitable for someone who's been playing piano for only a few years, not an expert musician.
Ok, that transition to the 2nd theme around 0:52 is pretty abrupt. But that's ok, because it contrasts nicely with how the original theme later returns in an almost imperceptible way. :) Don't forget, Beethoven was considered to be pretty radical in his day. So we should expect stuff like that from time to time.
OTOH, the abruptness is partly down to how it's played. You can make it sound less or more abrupt by tiny variations in the volume and timing.
Also there's a subtle interplay between timing and volume on a piano. If you strike a key harder, not only do you get a louder note, but the note sounds slightly earlier, because the hammer hits the strings earlier
@PM2Ring yes. It latter does blend back to the original tune
i think Beethoven added this part because he didn't want the entire tune to be the same thing on repeat
@RyderRude Right. And that original theme magically reappears out of nowhere.
yes
and Beethoven does not just repeat the original theme throughout the song. he does variations of it which r genius
Beethoven's music is like cherishing imperfections and asymmetries in music
while Mozart makes perfectionist music
@RyderRude It is not a problem. People usually want music to have repetitions and minor variations. Mozart simply chose his way to tackle a perceived issue, and succeeded at making himself happy.
i have also witnessed some abrupt transitions in some other older classical pieces
10:33
However, there's also a psycho-acoustic component. If you hear two notes of identical volume (and similar pitch) that start at almost the same time, the earlier note will actually sound louder. Good players take that effect into account, either consciously or subconsciously.
@naturallyInconsistent oh
@PM2Ring oh
Beethoven builds tension in his music
Modern pieces don't have abrupt transitions
@RyderRude that's nonsense
This one is from Hans Zimmer
Some modern pieces do. :) Some modern composers do stuff that the old guys wouldn't have dreamed of doing. Or thought they could get away with doing. ;)
@PM2Ring i will have to listen more...
i am re visiting some songs and I remembered them having abrupt transitions but they dont
10:40
Every composer is a product of their time, and writes with some awareness of their potential audience. There's no point writing stuff that nobody else will be able to relate to.
i remembered this one having abrupt transitions but it is a masterpiece
i remembering some of Mozart's stuff being weird
@PM2Ring All 3 ladies that it is conjectured to be written for, i.e. this piece is supposed to humour, are indeed young at the time.
but I will have to re visit
@PM2Ring yes. Beethoven was a pop singer at the time
One of the all-time experts in doing variations was J. S. Bach. The great jazz guitarist Pat Metheny, who's a brilliant improviser, says "compared to Bach, we all suck".
@PM2Ring there are plenty of elitist academic musicians writing for the void...
10:48
@naturallyInconsistent Perhaps... I said it's pointless. I didn't say nobody does it. :)
@PM2Ring but they'll claim that it is point-full and people should be studying their music...
They can say what they like. But what counts is if people actually want to listen to their stuff. And I'm not talking about students & associates who politely listen because it's supposed to be good music.
Bach does variations of the same tune here
@naturallyInconsistent paintings r like that too
OTOH, music can be an acquired taste. Eg, I love be-bop. But it just would not have made sense back in the 1920s. It needed several decades of older styles of jazz to act as the foundation, both for the writers & musicians and the audience.
music can be judged safely by anyone. but paintings have grown too elitist
10:55
@RyderRude it is worse there because fake art is a vehicle for money laundering, which is not happening with music composition.
@naturallyInconsistent yes. but what is defined as fake art
i dont really care
Picasso makes a completely bad painting here, but u can't judge it as bad becauuse of elitism
but one can't really define bad art. paintings are event more subjective than music
so i guess the painting cannot really be called bad
@RyderRude I used to listen to Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier on a regular basis, especially the first book. At one stage I listened to it every day, for months. But of course you only scratch the surface by listening. To really get into a piece, you have to play it. And I never learned a whole Bach piece, just little snippets.
but it is a tool for money laundering, yes
@PM2Ring it will take years to learn to play
@PM2Ring i will check it out
11:00
That prelude you linked comes from the WTC. Also check out the Goldberg Variations. They're designed to be listened to while taking an afternoon nap.
Here's a story about Picasso. It may be true. ;)
@PM2Ring it is a calming piece
@PM2Ring thanks
One day, a guy was at an outdoor cafe when Picasso dropped by. While having a coffee (or maybe something harder), Pablo began making small random pencil sketches in a little notebook. Eventually, the guy works up his courage, introduces himself, and asks "Senor Picasso, will you make me a drawing?" Picasso looks him over, says "Ok", and gets to work on a new sketch.
A few minutes later, he hands it to the guy, who gushes with thanks. But then the guy says "Senor Picasso, you didn't sign it". Picasso says, "I said I'd make you a drawing. I didn't say I'd make you rich".
lol
it seems like Picasso knew he was drawing random things
but if the story is verified, the guy might have ended up rich
Whiplash is a great movie about abusers in the music industry
10/10 recommend
it is about a student and his Jazz instructor
11:18
@RyderRude Yeah, you mentioned it here a few months ago.
Here's a short music visualisation clip, from a more modern composer: Stevie Wonder. (His mum also has a writer's credit on it). Featuring wonderful improvisation from young Stevie on harmonica, and a brilliant bass line from the great James Jamerson. I Was Made To Love Her.
@PM2Ring nice
maybe something like Whiplash can be made with physics students and phd advisers
but idk if that can get abusive
maybe an adviser pushing the disciple too much
11:42
A longer piece from Stevie, Isn't She Lovely. In the last half of the song he plays a dozen or so variations on the main theme, each one unique and equally lovely. I think he repeats the main theme straight, once.
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Q: Backwards proof for balanced Wheatstone bridge

Tiash We know that in this Wheatstone bridge if, $\bf{I_3 = 0}$, it can be derived that $\bf{\frac{R_1}{R_5}=\frac{R_2}{R_4}}$ . But could we prove it backwards, mathematicaly, that - if in such a circuit $\bf{\frac{R_1}{R_5}=\frac{R_2}{R_4}}$, then it will be also true that $\bf{I_3 = 0}$? I a...

Can someone explain this problem in some other way or why is it Ok to remove R3 when we don't know voltage across it is 0 or not to prove our result?
Hot off my YouTube feed. From the Èlia Bastida Quartet featuring Sara Sambola, Esta Noche De Luna
12:38
@PM2Ring great songs
years are passing by in life
i envy religious people cuz they have purpose of life
but religious people too find it hard. maybe they don't buy it continuously
@RyderRude Thanks
@RyderRude Or maybe they have someone else's purpose... and that someone else may have not been exactly sane. :) We don't really know what went down in anvient times, but from what we've seen of new religious movements that started in the last few centuries, founders of religion tend to have some pretty weird ideas. Delusional people can be very charismatic.
@RyderRude The purpose of life is pizza,good music and some physics here n there ; )
12:53
I prefer to think that the purpose of life is to construct your own purpose in life. That requires some understanding of yourself, human nature, and the world you find yourself in.
A prog rock epic composed by Yes, performed by The Band Geeks: And You And I
@Arjun physics gives me headache :P
@PM2Ring "Travelers, there is no path, paths are made by walking"
Probably best with good speakers or headphones...
@PM2Ring yes. but I think telling urself a story like afterlife and heaven makes things easier. but these stories also have disadvantages
but these stories r useless if u don't buy them
but maybe it can work like placebo if u buy them
13:00
I feel like the purpose is to find and do things that you like as much as you can(given ofcourse you're not hurting yourself or anyone else lol).
I've recently come across this banger
13:14
@PM2Ring nice
@Arjun nice
@PM2Ring I prefer to think of it as finding out who you are by finding out who you are not.
@Arjun Oud is good. Here's some more oud, from Egyptian Aussie, Joseph Tawadros and friends. The Greater Sea
Another cosmic Jon Anderson song, State of Independence sung here by Andrea Corr
A world that they found themselves in.
@PM2Ring Loved it,thanks!
@Relativisticcucumber that's a lot of worrying...
13:49
@think_meaning_buildß Interesting! There's so much uplifting music in religious spaces, and until recent times, it's mostly live and never recorded.
@think_meaning_buildß nice
@PM2Ring nice
Here's another uplifting classic. The quality isn't great because it's from a TV tape from 1970. Melanie & The Edwin Hawkins Singers. Candles In The Rain
Re-animator is on youtube youtu.be/-cvN8hI9s0o?si=hz_yijCEt914pRQi . it is about science obsession and bringing back dead organisms
but it has disturbing scenes
@PM2Ring it says it was live
@PM2Ring great performance
@RyderRude Well yeah, it was live to air back in 1970. Which was very unusual because most TV studios weren't equipped for live music performance.
But the recording quality back then wasn't great, and there's also some tape degradation.
14:07
@PM2Ring yes
she says she is 23
@RyderRude Sadly, we lost Melanie early this year. She was still performing a few years ago. She even did a duet with Miley Cyrus, who's a big fan.
@PM2Ring Beatles also did some live stuff
Quite often, they'd sing live, but all the instruments were pre-recorded.
@PM2Ring Rest in Peace
@PM2Ring ooh
Here's some more Yes, via The Band Geeks. Roundabout
Ann Marie Nacchio (from The Band Geeks) is actually a classically trained singer. But she discovered that she prefers to sing prog rock, rather than opera. :)
14:15
Can anyone of you recommend me some good resources(even videos work) to learn tensor calculus for electromagnetism and general relativity? Thanks.
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Her sister Emily is also a fine singer. This song's a bit heavier, and rather racy... I Get Off - The Band Geeks with Emily Nacchio
@PM2Ring nice
@Arjun i will star it so it doesn't get buriwd
@RyderRude tysm!
@Arjun for physicists intro to tensors, u can read the first few chapters of Wald's or Carroll's GR books
14:24
@RyderRude I've heard great things about carroll's book,will check it out : )
@RyderRude Scott Aaronson's latest blog post is about that. And Sabine has posted a comment. scottaaronson.blog/?p=8525
@PM2Ring really energetic
@PM2Ring thanks!!
More Emily. You Oughta Know - The Band Geeks with Emily Nacchio
I like that version better than Alanis's. :)
Another Yes song, Starship Trooper
14:48
@PM2Ring nice
I love the visual pun of the cross-eye bear, right near the end. :)
@PM2Ring great instruments and vocals
@PM2Ring yes :P
They're amazing. They do a wide variety of stuff, but I really love their Yes covers. Richie is a vocal chameleon: he can sound like almost anyone.
Wolfram's ideas were initially vague, but it has now developed into a specific physics program
it is about re-inventing the wheel kind of. phrasing physics in the language of computation instead of calculus
14:59
they have managed to rephrase some of GR so far
i think calculus stuff can be analytically unsolvable, while computation stuff is always solvable in principle. so it may be good to rephrase physics in computational language
they call it "constructivist physics" analogous to "constructivist math"
@PM2Ring really good vocals
Do you think Edward Witten can do as much for Physics as Bertrand Russell did for Philosophy.
hmmm.. why are u comparing these particular people
Just speculating.
@RyderRude Calculus is a very useful tool, and we developed a lot of mathematics to solve calculus problems. And a lot of important physics is amenable to that stuff. But yeah, it has its limitations. Even the 3 body problem isn't usually well-behaved.
@PM2Ring yeah... also, i think the 3 body problem wouldn't be well behaved in the computational language either cuz it is chaotic
@think_meaning_buildß Written cannot be as influential as Russel, I think
15:08
And now we have computers that can easily do all sorts of algorithms. So maybe it's not a great idea to always try to put stuff in terms of Taylor series, etc.
@think_meaning_buildß Witten's work is in math and string theory. the latter, unless it is correct, will not be as relevant for physics as Russell's work has been for philosophy
@PM2Ring Wolfram's ideas also try to replace smooth spaces with discrete ones
it is good from a constructivist perspective
@RyderRude Exactly. And once you get away from nice smooth every-continuous functions, you often have to be careful with numerical computation. Algorithms using actual real numbers may behave the way you want, but implementations using fonite precision arithmetic may not work so well, even when using large numbers of bits.
@PM2Ring yes. one has to be careful when trying to replicate physics results using discretized stuff
this may be a hard limitation on Wolfram's program. not everything continuous need have a discrete counterpart
Modern computer algebra systems can do exact arithmetic with various kinds of algebraic numbers, which is helpful, but it doesn't get around that problem.
With chaotic systems, you can easily get different behaviour with arbitrary reals vs any given class of algebraic number.
yes
ultimately, we can say that any theorem in math is a computation
also, all physics predictions arise from some computation
but saying that discrete things can reproduce continuum things is different. i liked the idea of constructivist physics, but it need not work for describing nature, especially chaotic system
15:22
Hopefully, we never need to worry about that really "pathological" stuff, and that we can make useful physical prexictions using the arithmetic of rationals and simple roots. But there's no guarantee that that will always be the case.
i like Gorard's scenario "What if Turing was born 300 years before Newton?"
Gorard assumes that the only reason physics is in the calculus language is about how history happened to play out
@PM2Ring yes. i would love if physics can be constructivist
Eg, the function f(x): f(x) = 1 if x is rational, otherwise f(x) = 0. If you try to graph it on any normal computer system, it looks like the line y=1, even though it only has value 1 on a set of measure zero. ;)
@RyderRude If your only tools are a hammer and a saw, you're going to end up doing a lot of carpentry.
Descartes introduced the continuum which Newton utilised later
i mean that Descartes introduced the mathematical formalisation of continuum
like a pair of numbers
i gtg
cya
15:31
When elliptic integrals arise, the traditional technique is to scream quietly, and try to express them with evil looking power series. Gauss himself found some great some for elliptic integrals using the arithmetic-geometric mean. But that's not convenient to work with when you're in a world where you do calculations using logarithm tables. But we're no longer in that world.
@RyderRude See ya
15:42
@Arjun Do Cartesian tensors from RHB and then just do Schutz GR.
@PM2Ring nowadays we have Carlson's symmetric form, which is great for computation
@naturallyInconsistent thanks! rhb for riley hobson bence,no?
yes
Cartesian everything is tremendously easier. Then you can quickly prove stuff and function well, even all the way deep into QFT, since people tend to only work with the simplest, i.e. Cartesian, stuff. GR stuff extends it by a tiny bit. This is as opposed to differential geometry, which can be a lot of learning before it pays off.
@PM2Ring and expect a lot of slivers :(
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hi
16:32
Feels like nobody here is interested in helping me out as usual. Instead of straight up ignoring, you guys should tell who you don't want to help directly (it saves a lots of time) but I don't think most of the guys here will take an advice from junior.
If your question is ignored, "this is an indication that no one active in this room (a) has the knowledge to answer your question, or (b) has the time and inclination to answer your question. When you do the same thing multiple times and get the same result, it is time to do something else."
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16:52
@SineoftheTime (a) it is hard to imagine how so many people with degrees in physics find it hard to answer high school problem so I don't think this as a possibility. (b) Why is there no inclination to answer someone's question? Is the question wrong? They should guide what is wrong at least. Or they just don't feel like helping someone as i said.
17:19
@NOTEBook well, I'm rarely in this chatroom, but the point is that no one is "morally" obliged to answer you questions (in chats), even if they know the answers
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@naturallyInconsistent Indeed. Bille Carlson was amazing. Sage & mpmath provide both Carlson & Legendre forms, but I'm pretty sure they just work with Carlson internally. I have some links to Carlson stuff here: physics.stackexchange.com/a/718837/123208
@NOTEBook Sorry. My electronics knowledge is a bit rusty these days (I studied that stuff ~50 years ago, in high school), and I didn't want to say something that would make you even more confused.
Maybe someone in the Problem-Solving room can help you chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/54160/problem-solving-strategies
There's also an Electronics stack site.
But yeah, the basic concept is that these kinds of circuits are linear. Do mathematically, so you can kinf of break circuits into sub-circuit parts, solve each part, and then superimpose the partial solutions.
17:49
what the...
why do people think we are some sort of service provider?
18:02
@NOTEBook This is a chat room, not a help desk, and everyone participates here voluntarily as much or as little as they want. You have no standing to tell other users how to behave, and I find the entitlement that you expect other people who are just here to talk about other things to waste their time telling you they won't answer your question for whatever reason quite astonishing, given that you seem so concerned about a waste of your time.
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18:14
So, there is a point B in a fluid. The elemental area is an infinitesimally small point in this fluid. A book I'm reading says this is dA, and that dF is the force on one side of dA. Why are we computing area if dA has sides? Sounds like 3d mixing with 2d and I don't understand
Should I take an intro physics course before I study aerodynamics
18:25
I have another question, a bit easier: quora.com/unanswered/…
@Michael The idea is that you have an infinitesimal volume element (a tiny cube) and you can consider the force exerted on one side ("$\mathrm{d}A$") of this cube. Formally, pressure is the momentum flux, see e.g. this answer
 
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@NOTEBook 1) you strongly underestimate how much labour and time it takes to tutor high school physics, have not considered that the exact content is different in different places and times. there is a reason that tutoring is a job and paid. 2) not all questions are interesting to all people for them to want to volunteer their time and they do not need to justify that to you or anyone else 3) you had already have number of answers on the main site
 
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@NOTEBook ppl w physics degrees arent human repositories for physics problem answers. they are people with the ability to sit down and do a problem/the ability to look smth up and figure out how to do the problem. it's very possible for someone to construct physics problems that many people with a physics degree can't tell you the answer to a priori. [...]
[...] when you have only taken 1-2 physics courses, it's easy to overestimate the importance of smth that becomes a minute detail after 5+ years of studies. then, it's a matter of "i'm busy and this person is asking smth that will take me time to figure out, and i am not motivated enough (by either moral standards, interest, etc.) to spend my time in that way". i mean your recent q wasn't about a concept -- it seems to require one to actually invest in the problem and figure it out. [...]
[...] these questions are oftentimes less engaged with. whether this is desirable or not is beside the point, but i think your approach is definitely the wrong way to go about getting help.
23:55
@Relativisticcucumber well said. whilst I agree with what everyone else has been saying, I think you're getting to the heart of the problem with the "entitlement". sometimes I wonder if the hypercompetitive nature of some education systems and exams gives young people a massive misconception that solving physics problems should somehow be effortless "on the other side".

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