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@PM2Ring That is brilliant, thanks for the links! I guess I am easily amused but I love reading things like these :D
I asked a librarian if she had a book about Pavlov's dog and Schrödinger's cat. She said it rang a bell, but she wasn't sure if it was there or not.
She rang John Bell? :o
This is beyond crazy, I am going to collect myself
is non-equilibrium QFT used for anything? or is it just not well understood?
01:13
@SillyGoose condensed matter!
@SillyGoose sus
 
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06:05
it is about phrasing your wish well
you can't use "and" in ur wish as a general rule, because it wud count as multiple wishes
06:27
in this physics.stackexchange.com/questions/189653/… post, they are able to talk about a rank (0,2) tensor being symmetric using $\eta _{ab}=\eta _{ba}$
but we saw that we can't talk about a (1,1) tensor being symmetric using an identical notation, because we can't switch covariant and contravariant indices.
@user430580 Where does bad light go? To a prism.
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06:50
& given a light sentence
the symmetricity of a (1,1) tensor is not a basis-independent property, which is y i think it is hard to notate in index notation
to have basis independence, we have to use a generalised notion of symmetricity, which is like the Hermitian adjoint. this notion will depend on the metric
 
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Hey y'all! I'm learning about Topological Phases of Matter + related topics and asked this question on Phys.S.E:https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/828977/what-are-current-open-questions-and-research-directions-related-to-topological-m
asking about research directions and open questions in the field

It got shut down because it's opinion based :2 but it led me to discover the h bar so all's well that ends well ig

If anyone has any input (/ generally would like to chat about this stuff), I'd love to hear it( / talk)! ty :)
> even today there are many who think one could usefully "generalize" by omitting those requirements, sometimes on grounds of dislike for the "stasis" they think they imply. However, in modern Greek "stasis" means "bus-stop"; how useless an intricate network of speeding buses would be without them, and how disembodied would be processes without states.
 
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11:32
@Slereah what's this?
It's a place where buses stop at so people can get in
i got that much :p , I mean what's it from/ what's the context?
Lawvere about dialectics
11:51
hm odd question, but how do you evaluate the validity or quality of a philosophical text? as someone who had no philosophical background I picked up a few well known ones and a lot of it just sounded nonsensical? but you know there have been a lot of people cleverer than me who seem to appreciate it so I don't know what's missing
Part of the main activity of philosophers is to diss other philosophers
I'm afraid there isn't much you can do
Because some will consider some to be nonsense and others not
:')
just start with a fairly jargon free book
I'm sure there's no lack of recommendation lists for that
i went through a Phase when I thought I could get into philosophy since great thinkers admire them blah blah , thought it could help understand this messed up human world (sadly physics has no explanation for that)...
tried a bunch of books - pop philosophy breakdowns, including Sophie's world which I detested
tried a few of the ancient Greeks, mostly the stoics which really rubbed me the wrong way
actually borrowed Kant's critique of pure reason after that
far too jargony and didn't make any sense :p
I don't remember what else I tried but I gave up after that. I ended up reading Wikipedia on political theories instead and le guin's "the dispossessed" which I liked because I found the physicist world plot relatable
12:13
It's a pretty vast field
recently, i learned about the perspective problem of consciousness
it raises the question "why do perspectives exist in our universe"
i have a first person perspective and u have a different first person perspective
according to property dualism, just like matter has mass and charge, it also has qualities. this explains the problem of where qualia come from
but this does not necessarily solve the perspective problem
12:36
> A co-Grothendieck cotopos is a locally small finitely cocomplete category with a small cogenerator, with all small products which are codisjoint and pushout-stable, and where all internal bisimulations have effective subobjects, which are also pushout-stable.
Did they just add a bunch of co's to the topos text
all small cocoproducts
13:13
@kdeoskar You can check out work by Alexei Kitaev and Xie Chen (Caltech ~somewhat nearby to Berkeley~), the entire CMT faculty at University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, and some folks at MIT (Xiao-Gang Wen). These people are all large figures in the topological phases of matter field, to my understanding.
Ah there is also Lukasz Fidkowski (UWashington), Michael Levin (UChicago), Max A. Metlitski (MIT)
Oh also like all the UCSB faculty associated with Microsoft Q
what has been the most challenging physics/math topic to learn for u all ?
Grant application
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@qwerty If you wanted to get into philosophy, I'd recommend the youtube channel philotube. However, it will not be particularly helpful for understanding this messed up hooman world. Instead, you'd need economics, geopolitics, psychology, and all, for that.
And a load of history
@naturallyInconsistent do you mean philosophy tube? I don't really like her:( I prefer a channel called "then and now" and contrapoints
Yes
Contrapoints is great too
13:28
yeah idk psychology I don't think so. but yes economics and politics.
@Slereah what is this
@RyderRude Asking for da money to do physics
@Slereah oh xD
video essays are fine but I don't really think I learn that much from them really
@Slereah were u initially in academia
13:31
Would be hard to have a degree otherwise
@Slereah if I could write a research proposal I would already have the paper draft
I'm not matriculated at Diploma Mill college
@Slereah oh. i meant if u were trying to work in academia
Sabine says she left academia due to lack of funding and other things
It is pretty dire
Such a grim black curve
could U translate the French please?
sadly am not francophone :(
13:38
curve go down
such is the meaning to grasp
less of the money for me
Academia is predatory
@naturallyInconsistent but yeah thanks.
sadly, one can't contribute to physics from outside of academia
@RyderRude just be a patent clerk
you just have to come up with a really good idea :-D
or do something le government cares about
or generally do something that people who have money care about
13:46
The government only cares about fairly pedestrian matters
good ideas are hard. i think if you have a good research programme during your PhD and you can spin off of that it's easier. if it was a dead end then it's harder
An ancient problem
> But all this proved to be of no account in the eyes of Archimedes and in comparison with the engines of Archimedes.
To these he had by no means devoted himself as work worthy of his serious effort, but most of them were mere accessories of a geometry practised for amusement, since in bygone days Hiero the king had eagerly desired and at last persuaded him to turn his art somewhat from abstract notions to material things, and by applying his philosophy somehow to the needs which make themselves felt, to render it more evident to the common mind.
hah
They always want the big warmachines smh
defense has been a big concern for civilisations on earth for all of history
it will stop being a concern once we go inter-galactic maybe
but sci fi media still shows it to be a big concern
but about academia, one has to be updated with the progress of other academics to be able to contribute to physics
and one also has to collaborate with other academics
so academia is the only option
unless governments start funding physics for the sake of physics, instead of economics/technology
then physicists may be able to create a better environment for physicists
14:09
> Heraclitus said: “The Ephesians all deserve to have their necks broken as they grow up, so that the town should be left to minors ”
He was a wise man
14:36
Hi
@naturallyInconsistent @ACuriousMind I appreciate the responses. So I looked a little more into the addition of angular momentum and I see now how you can have different values of L but the same M_l depending on whether the angular momentum vectors are pointing in the opposite direction (L=0 if they have the same momentum) or in the same direction or somewhere in between
And i imagine that works like the rest of the measurable quantities, where each of those possible observations is an eigenstate of the “added angular momentum” operator
well...the idea of an "angular momentum vector" pointing in any particular direction is somewhat suspect in QM as its components do not commute, but yes, it's often visualized that way
I see
I guess im just wondering, since were doing this to label atomic term symbols, is this a property of the system that like, hm, doesnt change over time? Forgive me for wording this badly, i study chemistry lol
As in the book says we label the L=0 S=0 state (the state where the momenta “cancelled out”) as the ^1 S _0
Term symbol
Yes, the Hamiltonian for an atom is usually spherically symmetric, so the angular momentum eigenstates are also stationary states
and I'm sorry if I was rude about "this is in intro QM" yesterday, if you're a chemist the confusion makes a bit more sense, I was assuming someone who should have done a lot of angular momentum addition already in a physics QM course :/
Its ok :) my interest is in computational quantum chemistry so I definitely plan to study QM in depth when i get the chance!
I guess this was the first time in this book where ive felt like it didnt explain it very well. Everything up to here has been awesome. It’s mcquarries pchem
15:13
Lee Smolin has some ideas. 1. Time is fundamental but spacetime is emergent an approximation
2. Gravity isn't quantum mechanical. 3. String theory and LQG are background dependent and background independent duals of the same underlying theory
In LQG, they don't yet know how to do scattering on a classical background, while string theory's starting point is that
15:45
Lee also says :
> I am convinced that quantum mechanics is not a final theory. I believe this because I have never encountered an interpretation of the present formulation of quantum mechanics that makes sense to me. I have studied most of them in depth and thought hard about them, and in the end I still can't make real sense of quantum theory as it stands.
 
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@Relativisticcucumber oh boyyy, ptsd.... my personal recommendation would be to ask ACM if all of this shit works; he'll say yes. then just accept it
17:52
@Mr.Feynman I'm still waiting for the punch line
@Slereah It sounds like "La Trahison des Clercs" -- the treason of the intellectuals (actually of the clerks, which I suppose used to be taken as the anointed intellectuals back when the book by this title was written). This phrase however sometimes means they are too concerned with worldly affairs, and at other times that they're lost in their abstract matters. At every age they are a very comfortable bunch of people to scapegoat it seems
18:27
@nickbros123 oh, this is not even yet the kind of maths that requires functional analysis to understand. It is sufficient with differential forms' upgrade of contour integration trickery
@SillyGoose I see, thanks for the suggestions!
 
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do you guys think the foundation of quantum field theory is unsettled
20:56
wow gifs are annoying here. usually they make the loop only play once or twice in chats... :E
21:16
@SillyGoose mathematical foundations?
wiki says :
> Currently, there is no proof that the Wightman axioms can be satisfied for interacting theories in dimension 4. In particular, the Standard Model of particle physics has no mathematically rigorous foundations. There is a million-dollar prize for a proof that the Wightman axioms can be satisfied for gauge theories, with the additional requirement of a mass gap.
this is a mathematical foundations problem
> Under certain technical assumptions, it has been shown that a Euclidean QFT can be Wick-rotated into a Wightman QFT, see Osterwalder–Schrader theorem. This theorem is the key tool for the constructions of interacting theories in dimension 2 and 3 that satisfy the Wightman axioms
@Amit it does not loop perfectly
@RyderRude idk about perfectly, but all other chat programs i know just freeze any gif at its first frame after rendering it once or twice.
endless rendering for gifs is too distracting
there is also the general quantum foundations like measurement problem, which are unsolved for QFT @SillyGoose
but this does not come under mathematical foundations
@Amit yes
the first gif ever :P
21:34
So that's how people dressed before GR
Less properly but perhaps more appropriately?
I don't wanna approve quantum woo.
@Amit there was only crop field theory back then
@DannyuNDos examples?
also, I finished 12 Angry Men. Highly recommend @Amit
Misintepretations of wave-particle duality are prime examples.
best movie of all.time
@DannyuNDos oh. yes, that is annoying af
I wish I could've read Griffiths more thoroughly. I never had a chance.
The discrepancy between cultural physics and actual physics textbooks is what I blame.
21:43
do u mean pop sci vs actual physics?
pop sci is not that bad, i feel
but qft is really bad in pop sci
for qm, they explain the measurement problem like it is.. and they refrain from quantum woo
@DannyuNDos i havent read Griffiths yet either
@DannyuNDos u can also try Shankar, Sakurai, Ballentine .Shankar as the main book, and others when u want more views on the topic
i haven't finished the latter two, but they're standard references
@DannyuNDos yes. Try this book
yay
21:55
I have Shankar rn, but I'm afraid this may render harder than Griffiths.
an old saying goes "there's hard only in bread"
it has introductory topics too
lol, dunno if it makes sense in english
I also have Goldstein's CM and Reitz's EM.
I should try these before I try QM, no?
NO
these r too big of pre-requisites
only the easy kind of CM is a prerequisite for QM
21:58
maybe the math prerequisites are more important. Linear algebra
Shankar has the required CM as a chapter
Probability theory
Of course I know linear algebra and probability theory. After all, I was a math student.
but u also need to know Newton's laws. I feel Goldstein is comprehensive classical mech. Read this if u r interested in classical mech for the sake of classical mech, instead of for getting into qm
i think Shankar's Chapter 2 has all the required classical mech for QM
a lot of QM stuff is understood from a classical motivation.. like angular momentum, what does it even mean classically. Then there's relativistic QM that requires relativity, and you really can't understand relativity without a good CM basis I think
but maybe i'm wrong
22:05
u may also search for rigorous books of QM, as u r a math major
@Amit i feel that comprehensive classical mech isn't required while intro classical mech is
by comprehensive idk what you mean, analytical mechanics?
Q: how many physicists does it take to help a math major learn physics? A: no idea, I'm not one and I think Ryder ain't either... 😂
by intro classical mech, i mean Newton's laws, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations
by comprehensive classical mech, i mean all the topics they have in advanced classical mech books
Just study everything is the best advice. Besides... it's fun
@RyderRude Louvre theorem and all that jazz?
Liouville's* , sorry
@Amit i think so... I've never heard of this theorem :p
@Amit Complex Analysis? Abstract Algebra? Topology? Differential Geometry? Nah; Linear Algebra is the one that cuts through.
22:10
@DannyuNDos Please explain... I'm either slow or daft
this theorem is def not relevant in QM
@RyderRude omg it's that cool one with the phase space volumes... you gotta see it
never def!!!
@Amit do u mean Lioville theorem
yes, sorry
I looked up Louvre theorem. It seems to be stat mech
22:12
lol, it was a joke
@Amit I'm familiar with this theorem
@Amit oh
I'm too much of a clown
@Amit but also, this theorem isn't a hard pre requisite for QM. Shankar doesn't even discuss this
but it is good to know
@DannyuNDos While many people tend to try to learn QM without a firm grounding in classical mechanics, I think the more classical mechanics you know (especially Hamiltonian mechanics), the better. Classical EM is not really helpful for QM, though.
@DannyuNDos If you mean that Linear Algebra of them all is the one that unlocks the most doors, I kind of see that. Though Idk the context you responded to
22:15
Yeah; no much context, especially when I've just woke up and am starving for sugar.
:D
@Amit also, GR is basically diff geom. I think it is worth a shot for a mathematician to try to jump in directly without pre requisites
maybe there r also books tailored for that
for mathematicians to jump into GR
That rings a question... Why don't SR & GR deserve classes of their own?
@DannyuNDos What do you mean? GR is an extremely common course
In the institute I was in, CM is for 2nd graders, EM is for 2½ graders, QM is for 3rd graders, but no separate class for relativity, I mean.
22:18
well, GR is usually not part of the basic curriculum
Probably because the department isn't titled "Physics", but rather "Applied Physics for Displays and Semiconductors".
@RyderRude math majors can jump into a lot of physics "cold", in general. the question is how to prepare them to understand the physics that motivates the stuff and not just the formalism
I mean, sure, if you have an institute without any general relativists, there won't be any GR courses :P
@Amit good point...
also, i read about a mathematician who likes to learn in the top-down approach
Still, I wonder they should really lack relativity courses, considering that some heavy elements, such as Au, Hg, and Pb, express phenomena caused by relativities.
22:21
he says he never learned linear algebra as a course
but his method is peculiar for sure
@DannyuNDos that's just special relativity, which is usually part of an EM course
Really? When electrons "orbit" the nucleus really fast?
Yes, that's SR, GR only comes into play when you have to deal with gravitational effects
22:25
:O
Just jaw dropping
@bolbteppa lol
Props to him for his stock decisions, when it comes to physics however
Is the Swedish academy allowed to give the Nobel to someone like that?
There is an entire industry dedicated to recycling this kind of garbage
22:27
lol
@bolbteppa all media platforms are full of grifters and garbage, what else is new :P
also, that is a really bad title for the video. I'm.not sure if lisi would agree with that title
When it comes to the surfer dude, it takes serious conscious grifter effort to ignore the endless critiques of his nonsense and go about promoting him
@bolbteppa I mean you've linked a video by a channel whose description states they are "Exploring theoretical physics, consciousness, Ai, and God in a technically rigorous manner.", what did you expect to find here?
@ACuriousMind it is just a podcast channel. it's not bad at all
22:31
You're being overly kind to misinformation Ryder
the reason he says "technically rigorous" is that he is a mathematical physicist
@RyderRude the description alone tells me this is unscientific garbage, and the recent video titles confirm it
and disinformation...
he indeed engages with guests on a mathematical level, something i haven't seen on any other podcast
he has had many guests, many of whom promote non sense
but from the little I've seen, he himself is a good podcaster
You are too easily impressed by people pretending to know what they are talking about
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22:33
I clicked on this timestamp and he is now admitting the Distler criticism is correct and admitting he wasted everybody's time with basic well-known representation theory mistakes
he is a mathematical physicist. Please don't judge fast
i saw a podcast of them in which they were straight up discussing the math ideas of the guest
also, he has bad titles i would say
he is not flawless by any means. This video title is horrible
@RyderRude I'll judge people promoting pseudo-science and crackpottery however fast I please.
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@RyderRude try to imagine the state of mind of a person uploading a video with the title "Retired Off Apple Stock Then Revolutionized Physics Living in Hawaii". Now, does this state of mind rings more like "scientific integrity" to you, or more like "GET THOSE CLICKS" lol
Of course he brushes under the rug the massive controversy all this caused and pretends him spending a lot of time trying to get something to work was a valiant effort, when he was ignoring textbook level info
@Amit it is def "get those clicks"
22:37
I have listened to 30 seconds of this interview and already look at all the dishonesty that gets thrown in your face, really jaw dropping stuff
but his channel has merits too. I haven't seen any other podcast discuss math for hours
ok... so that's why it's hard to take seriously that's all. of course that's before making any technical and deep critique. the point is that this kind of stuff makes one not feel it's worth a deep critique
@RyderRude are you sure you know enough math to judge the quality of the discussion?
because you're talking about a channel with a bunch of videos promoting belief in psychic phenomena and other unscientific nonsense
@ACuriousMind yes. At the time, i felt i understood enough. They were discussing the Lorentz group
i dont remember the guest
To be fair, amidst the multitude of cranks on that channel, he has brought on like 3 or so serious people
22:39
I was studying frequency in my physics class. Now my brain Hertz.
but they discussed that SO(4) group is like two copies of the SO(3) group
and other things. This was related to the guest's mathematical ideas
oh, if they were able to discuss basic group theory that one time then I take back everything /s
@RyderRude Really? That's absurd.
I'm just saying that it's new for a podcast.
it wasn't a minute long discussion. The guest straight up discussed the math of his ideas for hours
@DannyuNDos it's close enough to being correct, $\mathrm{SO}(4)$ double covers $\mathrm{SO}(3)\times\mathrm{SO}(3)$.
22:42
i haven't seen even Carroll do this
Carroll engages on a layman level, doesn't make anything precise on his podcast
why do you care so much about defending this person who platforms a bunch of grifters and crackpots just because he also talks about math?
Lisi spends most of his time talking about things like quaternions etc, the guy cannot give a straightforward expert level talk about his theory because it is crank nonsense
have some integrity and read a math book instead if you want to learn math
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i just thought it was new because we can now get to know the mathematical ideas of the people we disagree with @ACuriousMind
22:45
Anybody who goes on there with big claims then spends most of their time talking about spinors and triality will dazzle a low-math audience into thinking he's a genius, that's the whole schtick
I've read Lisi's paper ages ago, I was not in any state of ignorance about what his mathematical ideas were. Unfortunately for him, they're wrong.
Brown. Fraleigh. Munkres. O'Neill.
@RyderRude He didn't explain his ideas in this
@RyderRude ok that's not true I struggled because I didn't understand the Hamiltonian formulation. for sure it's a pre req
@ACuriousMind oh
@qwerty i said somewhere around that msg that u need Newton's laws, Hamiltonian and Lagrangian mech
@ACuriousMind but we don't have time to read the mathematical ideas of every "big ideas" person
so it would be nice if a podcast engaged with them on a semi precise level
22:47
@RyderRude ...but you do have the time to listen to them prattle on about the math for a few hours?
what a ridiculous claim
@RyderRude you are catnip to a podcaster like this :p
@ACuriousMind it took me too long to figure out course content at higher levels are mostly dictated by who is employed at a university and what they know
@RyderRude I dare you to listen to this thing then try to explain Lisi's 'theory'
@bolbteppa i will try..
please spare us
22:48
@ACuriousMind no..
Triality is a deep idea, this guy is out there making it look crank level
@RyderRude then what on earth is your claim here?
being non rigorous was a big criticism of pop sci. while this podcast has many flaws, it is semi precise sometimes, which is a plus
i will try to find that video in which they discuss the math ideas of the guest. U all can judge for yourself
I'm not watching any more of this garbage, "he platforms grifters and crackpots but at least they're sometimes precise about their unscientific ideas" is not a selling point
22:52
Welp. That looks crackpot already from the cover.
while u may disagree with Oppenheim, at least here the ideas are discussed on a precise level
Even in this you can see the host's prediliction towards absolute bs
I see I've started a firestorm of crank stuff now :p
This is why Motl shouldn't have thrown away his blog, unfortunately he gave in to the lunacy instead of just focusing on calling out this kind of nonsense
I don't know how anyone has time and energy for fringe stuff unless you've truly mastered the fundamentals and established science
@RyderRude that's actually not a fair criticism, because pop-sci doesn't have a pretense to be something it isn't
@Amit sometimes it does though. I mean you and I and others on stackexchange are fine but to a layperson they don't understand what's handwaving and what's not
22:59
@qwerty because the fringe people tell you they've got an understanding of everything that only requires you to understand their stuff, instead of having to put in the hard work of actually learning the actual science; it's tempting because it pretends to offer a short cut to knowledge, it's the same mechanism as the grifters who promise you get-rich-quick schemes - short cut to money without putting in the work.
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