« first day (4789 days earlier)      last day (437 days later) » 
00:00 - 16:0016:00 - 23:00

fqq
fqq
00:04
University rankings don't measure that
right but if one is trying to rank undergraduate institutions, seemingly the most important factor should be the quality of the education afforded to undergraduates
which i agree such rankings do not actually measure in the metrics they base the rankings off of
@ACuriousMind well if you're accepted into a phd program after getting your bachelor's, you'll usually get a master's along the way
but i know a good amount of people who go for a master's first and then try to apply for a phd again
it's more competitive to apply for a phd with just a bachelor's, though it does have the advantage that you won't need to pay for the master's if you're accepted
i just recalled that it seems somewhat not uncommon for people pursuing heavily theoretical physics PhDs to do a math tripos or other masters in theoretical physics/maths before applying
@SillyGoose based on my own experience at one of those so-called top american unis, the only advantage i could see was that you get to do research with some pretty big name people in whichever field you're pursuing
pretty much everything else can be ass though, including the education
i was eventually just teaching myself because the lectures were such a mess and the TAs would suddenly go MIA
a lot of the profs were renowned researchers but really not good teachers
00:21
i am not at a "top" american uni and my experience is the same :-). though, I cannot imagine a system that can serve a physics cohort a proper physics education. the main problem being that the backgrounds of everyone is so non-uniform
which is why i am okay with "bad" courses so long as the professor is open to answering questions
i mean tbh i wouldn't mind if they would just let me teach myself in peace, since that's what worked best for me
but usually they'd do stupid things like mandatory attendance, so you're forced to waste time in their confusing lectures
if it's not clear from my tone i'm not the biggest fan of my undergrad uni lol
that is also a preferred option hehe
i was luckily able to skip one of my physics courses instead of sitting through it
i think one good thing about courses is that it forces one to do problems :P
but that is maybe it
01:19
Why is the $\mathcal{N}=2$ hypermultiplet not considered self-conjugate? I have seen this related question.
@Mr.Feynman Didn't you read the autobiography, that your nickname is in the title? The answer is in there: Feynman is very fast at calculating integrals that many physicists at the time would have to take a long time, or find a different solution. This is because he learnt a single trick that was simply missing from the standard physicists' maths toolbox of the time; which means that when other physicists have an integral they were stumped upon, they would ask Feynman and get an answer.
Of course, these days, we make sure to teach the trick that Feynman learnt.
@naturallyInconsistent Feynman invented tricks to do integrals quick, and then his student made Mathematica...
01:43
@Obliv This is just a lot of confusion coming from the professor not being careful to separate slightly different energies. It will become clearer if we define symbols carefully: Let $K$ be the kinetic energy of a particle. i.e. in NR context, you are familiar with $$K_{\text{NR}}=\frac12mv^2=\frac{(mv)^2}{2m}=\frac{p^2_{\text{NR}}}{2m}$$ but for SR, we have $$E=\gamma mc^2=mc^2+K=\sqrt{(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2}=mc^2\sqrt{1+\left(\frac p{mc}\right)^2}=mc^2+\frac{p^2}{2m}-\frac{p^4}{8m^3c^2}+\cdots$$
i.e. $K=K_{\text{NR}}-\frac{p^4}{8m^3c^2}+\cdots$
@Obliv If you now put $E=mc^2+K$ into this equation, you will get the correct answer.
02:02
But the calculation would easily be so difficult that the calculator would start having troubles. You should, instead, do $$p=mc\sqrt{\left(1+\frac K{mc^2}\right)^2-1}=mc\sinh\left(2\arg\!\sinh\sqrt{\frac K{2mc^2}}\right)$$ because it is vastly easier for the calculator to get good results on.
I mean that you should first do the brute force with the original formula, check that it is roughly in the correct place, and then use this final hyperbolic function version to get the calculation exact, and not ask too deeply why this formula is equivalent to the earlier.
@Sanjana I'm sure he also invented some tricks to do integrals quickly, but the one he stated as the one he became famous for, he learnt from a book.
 
1 hour later…
03:20
Oh I didn't know calculators had trouble with that first expression
Oh wait it's because we have so many decimal points with these constants eh
It is not. It is that 1 is huge compared to K/mcc, so the finite precision of the calculator will run into trouble. The final digits of the result will all be wrong.
K is 10eV, mcc is .511MeV. Basically you havent started computing anything and you already have 6 zeroes to deal with. Those are useless zeroes.
04:09
ooh ok
04:30
"The frequency width $\Delta v$ of a spectral line is inversely proportional to the coherence time of the source. The greater its coherence time, the more monochromatic the source."
What is a frequency width lol
nvm, got it
why wouldn't it be proportional to the coherence time
like longer coherence time means longer spectral widths I thought
@Obliv This cannot possibly be true.
what about a laser? u have a wave train of very long coherence time and the spectra width is long?
You are completely misunderstanding what $\Delta\nu$ is
indeed. I thought they were the lengths of certain frequencies
i need to figure out what spectral lines are
04:46
You need to learn what a Fourier transform is. There should be plenty of good video treatments
user587860
05:34
@ekardnam_ @Sanjana @SillyGoose Thank you for your insightful thoughts. While I was asking you these questions, I should have mentioned that I am not even a physics major, let alone working with an advisor. To give you an idea of why I am interested in getting published in a prestigious journal is because, the only chance for me to be do something in Physics is to apply to a graduate school in Physics, or apply as a transfer student to US universities.
user587860
Both ways will require a solid proof that I can excel in my courses.
06:49
@Supersymmetry do you do physics as a hobby
07:42
@naturallyInconsistent Sure but as I said somewhere above, I wasn't considering calculus. When I hear a physisict is very skilled at math I think of cutting-edge math
user587860
@RyderRude I mean, for personal reasons, I couldn't choose to major in Physics. So I'm self-studying
08:18
nice
08:30
@Mr.Feynman feynmann was a putnam 120/120 student i think, although, the year he wrote putnam, the questions werent as tough as modern day putnam
but ofc toughness gauged in my pov, it is ofc subjective
08:44
make your gauge choice
09:23
@Supersymmetry what are you majoring in?
@Mr.Feynman cant go wrong with coulomb gauge 😈
09:38
@Mr.Feynman Most people would not be thinking that way...
10:06
@Supersymmetry The chances of something like this working out are not good, if you have even the slimmest chance to switch into any physics program that would be worth pursuing over this idea
user587860
10:36
@ekardnam_ @bolbteppa I am a first-year undergraduate student at web design and programming program, at a community college.
you sure you can't switch to physics in any way?
user587860
@ekardnam_ There seems to be no way for me to. But I cannot tell you how it hurts to be not found worthy enough to do physics, when it is your childhood dream to write down a Nobel-prize winning Lagrangian like How Einstein and Dirac did, write down a Chern-Simons like how Witten did.
What about something like this
"how it hurts to be not found worthy enough to do physics"
Im sorry to hear that
user587860
@bolbteppaThank you for your insightful suggestion. However, such online programs will probably be either unaffordable or waste of time
10:41
you could also try with mathematics
It's far better than your current plan
user587860
I have nothing to lose any more
user587860
I'll self-teach myself string theory
isn't there any university of physics closeby?
at least you could follow some classes there even if you aren't enrolled
user587860
@ekardnam_ Yes, but they won't allow you to take any physics class if you're not at that university. It's just some weird system in my country
10:44
an online uni is also not a terrible idea, or there are plenty of courses uploaded on youtube
user587860
But I joined a quantum computing certification program, where I maintained high grades and helped other undergraduate/graduate students
Let's examine the logic of this plan. Let's assume you get a publication. You are asking people to take a chance on you that you will pass your first ever physics exam which is going to be the PhD qualifying exam 1-2 years in which weeds most people out, take a chance on you over people who have at least 4 years of physics exam experience, the chances of even passing the exam are basically zero even with a publication
maybe you should focus in studying quantum computing and quantum information?
user587860
Yeah, but I see quantum computing just as something like a hobby.
it is a rapidly growing field and places for PhD are raising in number in that field
unlike string theory which is going kinda the opposite path
user587860
10:47
As Bolteppa said, they won't allow a web design and programming student to get into a PhD program, at least it won't be a good program even if it happens
There's apparently a quantum computing project at my office
idk what for
I'm guessing it's just a trendy thing to do
"I'm guessing it's just a trendy thing to do"
quantum machine learning powered blockchain (TM)
user587860
I want to be a string theorist
If you really want to do physics do whatever you have to do to get into the best university you can and do an undergraduate degree, most likely the process of doing this will force you to give up. The distance approach is a safe alternative which you do on the side with what you're doing now, and if you give up its not a big deal, if you do it then get your publication also, that would be very strong, you wont need to go to the US
@Supersymmetry where do you live?
i mean which country
user587860
10:51
Turkey
maybe @bolbteppa idea is a good one, online university then maybe try a masters in europe and getting a scholarship or something
user587860
@bolbteppa It will be mentally exhausting and financially costly for me to attend two online programs, because unlike campus-based programs, online programs are often much harder because you're asked to self-study. You do not have anyone around you to ask questions
@Supersymmetry and why you cant switch to physics exactly if you want to say?
Here's a famous one near enough to Turkey
An open university is a university with an open-door academic policy, with minimal or no entry requirements. Open universities may employ specific teaching methods, such as open supported learning or distance education. However, not all open universities focus on distance education, nor do distance-education universities necessarily have open admission policies. == History == A precursor to the open university was the University of London External study system established in 1858; the university was a degree-awarding examination board and welcomed anyone who could meet its entry requirements and...
user587860
@ekardnam_ Because community college students (in a 2-year program) are not allowed to study at 4-year degree programs without sitting an examination again. Which is like JEE in India, it takes long time to do well.
10:56
but it seems worth to take that time to do it
it also takes time to study string theory well, and self-studying most likely will take even longer
$a$
@naturallyInconsistent Most modern day high energy theorists I met were on the "Feynman is overrated" side, and most non-high energy theorists were "Feynman is awesome in every possible way". That friend I keep talking about---his MSc advisor pointed out that most of what we know about Feynman rules was properly done by Dyson and not Feynman...but I guess he is a bit idiosyncratic in this respect given that he works on developing on-shell scattering amplitudes :p
It might seem like the easier approach is to just self study, you are going to get nowhere doing this, you are always at step 1 no matter what you know, except in the 1 in 8 billion or so chance you magically end up with multiple publications which people also care about which may take years if people even notice, i.e. you are literally on hard mode the entire time until some magical end goal, basically impossible
user587860
@ekardnam_ I have a research idea to work on, but I'll have to orbifold the WZW-SU(2,C)/SU(2) model to compute the mass and tacyhonic spectrum of the string theory in hyperbolic 3-space
user587860
But I'm struggling to find an action of SL(2,C) x SL(2,C) on L^2(H^{+}_{3})
Although it doesn't "prove" that he wasn't that good at math, Feynman did enroll in doing a math major and then left it for electrical engineering cz he found math too abstract :)
10:59
I see people throwing around big words and very likely do not have the basics down, that should tell people the value of knowing big words and big ideas, anybody can pick up a paper and quote big words...
user587860
Bolteppa, I asked several questions here and on Mathoverflow
user587860
1
Q: Lie group action on $\mathcal{L}^2(\text{H}^{+}_{3})$

SupergravityWhat is an example of non-trivial, unitary left-action of $\text{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})\times \text{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})$ on $\mathcal{L}^2(\text{H}^{+}_{3})$, if such an action exists? By nontrivial group action, I mean an action $gx\neq x$ for some $g\in G$ and $x\in V$.

user587860
You should have no doubt that I know what I am talking about. If I didn't, I couldn't do anything at quantum computing graduate program lol
> Somewhere around the first year I began to get upset. This wasn’t right. The mathematics, I looked at it, the mathematical things, were too abstract. They weren’t connected to anything, mathematics.
---Feynman
user587860
Anyway, hyperbolic manifold seems to benefit from things like Moscow rigidity, and it seems that worldsheet theory over hyperbolic 3-manifold isn't known
user587860
11:03
Supergravity approach is easier to take, but I wanted to follow worldsheet approach. Which will require orbifolding worldsheet theory over SU(2,C)/SU(2)-WZW model
@Slereah is Hawking&Ellis sloppy with diff geo?
I haven't noticed anything too sloppy there
> I see people throwing around big words and very likely do not have the basics down, that should tell people the value of knowing big words and big ideas, anybody can pick up a paper and quote big words...
this is so true
@Slereah I have to surrender and work in coordinates, at last D:
@Supersymmetry If you know such advanced stuff, doing a distance BSc should be a complete breeze and give you 3-4 years to do your own research, you wont even need a phd after that but you should find it incredibly easy to get one with all the work you get done over those 3-4 years, for some reason you're finding problems with what seems like an open goal
11:06
But can you tell me why the would decide to work with $C^r$ atlases instead of the more decent $C^\infty$?
Is there some reason in GR to do so? @Slereah
> @Supersymmetry If you know such advanced stuff, doing a distance BSc should be a complete breeze and give you 3-4 years to do your own research, you wont even need a phd after that but you should find it incredibly easy to get one with all the work you get done over those 3-4 years, for some reason you're finding problems with what seems like an open goal
yeah i agree
user587860
I really know such an advanced stuff :(
user587860
Please believe in my sincerity
user587860
Like yes, I'm not an expert in string theory and ask my questions here and on other platforms however I can. But I self-studied most of the undergraduate/graduate curriculum on my own
user587860
I had no other option to choose
11:10
@Mr.Feynman A lot of Hawking Ellis is concerned with regularity
@Supersymmetry i mean i trust what you say. it would have no benefit to you to lie nor it would benefit me not trusting you anyhow
@Mr.Feynman There are models like thin shells and impulsive GWs which are not $C^\infty$
They try to find out what kind of regularity classes are admissible
@Sanjana I mean that's for the metric, not the atlases
Most people, even after an undergrad, a masters, and a phd, are still confused about basic things, nobody can learn everything, it takes absolutely ages to master the basics of this stuff, the credentials are just the most basic way people have to ensure you can at least get through the basics and can handle things like exams which test your knowledge and can be trusted to try see a project through, you have none of that and are rejecting paths letting you get some of this
@Slereah Oops, I just noticed "atlases" in Mr. Feynman's text now...sorry
11:13
@Slereah Is it safe to use the DG I know ($C^\infty$) here? I have a feeling many results fail (for example, you can't consider tangent vectors as derivations)
as a person who self-studied stuff before all I can say is that in my experience sometimes you may not appreaciate fully the depth of some ideas if there isn't a person explaining it to you. but maybe it is just that I prefer an explanation from a human then from a text myself
@Mr.Feynman I think any issue that pops up with low regularity HE will point out
user587860
@ekardnam_ it's always benefitical to have someone to ask your questions, exchange ideas etc.
No, I should be more precise. You can't assess that all derivations are tangent vectors
IIRC it's still regular enough to use derivations
11:14
yeah
user587860
But as bolteppa said, it seems like I'll just be a failure.
@Slereah Tangent vectors are still derivations but not all derivations are tangent vectors
> @Slereah Tangent vectors are still derivations but not all derivations are tangent vectors
The tangent space is not anymore the linear space of all derivations at a point as soon as you loosen regularity
> The tangent space is not anymore the linear space of all derivations at a point as soon as you loosen regularity
oh really?
i never thought about this
11:16
@ekardnam_ Are you familiar with the definition of $T_p M$ as the set of all linear derivations at $p$, right?
yeah but I guess only for a C infinity manifold
Well, that only works acting on $C^\infty$ germs
i see i see
If you want to try to succeed doing this, it sounds like you probably should do whatever equivalent of JEE you have to do to get another shot to get into the best uni you can, or else try to get into one in another country, regardless of the expense which is likely going to be a lot, or else gamble on the distance thing which may also be expensive and accept the loss or reduction of in-person contact, I'd say anything else is not going to succeed in the sense that you'll always be at stage 1
The gist iirc of it is that if you have $C^r$ stuff, differentiating yields $C^{r-1}$
11:18
All of this is not factoring in the incredible incredible difficulty of even getting into post-undergrad programs
> The gist iirc of it is that if you have $C^r$ stuff, differentiating yields $C^{r-1}$
makes sense
the derivations send you to a different space
You need at least $C^1$ atlases for proper vectors
user587860
@bolbteppa But isn't there a way for me to prove that I have a girm grasp of undergraduate/graduate level curriculum without attending a physics program? If such a way exists, perhaps I can try to apply as a transfer student to integrate my AA degree to BS in Physics
There was an exercise about it on Abate's Geometria Differenziale, maybe in chapter 2
IIRC Hawking allows it to go down as low as $C^{0-}$
11:20
And I'm specifically quoting that book because your profile suggests you're based in Italy
@Mr.Feynman are you italian?
@Slereah what is that minus 💀
oh yeah i am italian
@ekardnam_ Indeed I am
I studied differential geometry on Loring Tu's book mostly though
user587860
11:21
@ekardnam_ Lee or Bishop is better.
user587860
I bet you've heard of both books :)
@ekardnam_ I watched Bottacin's course on Youtube :P
@Supersymmetry you can take a massive massive gamble that when you finish the degree you're doing now (assuming it is a BSc or equivalent), and that you get good marks, that you'll get lucky and be able to get into some respected msc in math or physics, which will also likely be expensive
> If you want to try to succeed doing this, it sounds like you probably should do whatever equivalent of JEE you have to do to get another shot to get into the best uni you can, or else try to get into one in another country, regardless of the expense which is likely going to be a lot, or else gamble on the distance thing which may also be expensive and accept the loss or reduction of in-person contact, I'd say anything else is not going to succeed in the sense that you'll always be at stage 1
this is really the best you can do
user587860
@bolbteppa No, I'll be awarded with an AA degree (2-years worthy of program)
11:24
maybe finish this two years degree and try getting into some physics thing after otherwise
user587860
Yes, exactly. That was the idea I had come up with
user587860
If I am not mistaken, US universities will allow AA students to apply for Bachelor programs, just like how high schoolers ordinarly apply.
but not a phd, you wont ever get into a phd in physics with that
user587860
Yes, this has to be integrated to a BS in Physics first
user587860
But that's what I am trying to achieve now
11:25
@Mr.Feynman Locally Lifschitz
than you're plan is AA > BSc > PhD?
user587860
I know it sounds silly, but yes
Derivatives many not be defined but the variations aren't too wild
user587860
AA in web programming -> BSc in Physics -> PhD in Physics
Just hope I won't unlearn DG :P
11:27
@Supersymmetry, as bolbteppa suggested, do you not have an entrance exam into undergrad programs, and if they exist, can you not retake them?
Yes, maybe finish what you're doing now, save up money, and do whatever equivalent of JEE exam you need to do to give yourself the option, however you could definitely do the distance approach at the same time, you get to choose how intense it is i.e. do a semester over 1 year, which will speed things up for you, and after it you could then gamble on getting into a good math/physics MSc in Europe while having an actual physics degree and years more experience on the advanced stuff you study
i mean if you are in europe you will have to put a MSc in between the BSc and PhD i guess
@bolbteppa Are you Indian?
Honestly given the circumstances I think the distance approach is brilliant, it might take 2-3 years before you even get into an undergrad if you go the JEE route
yeah as @bolbteppa is saying the online BSc may save you some time so you can try getting directly into a MSc which may even be more fun to you given that you seem to know the basics
11:29
@Sanjana No
what i find peculiar is that, where I live, online long distance universities are really cheap- eg. IGNOU
user587860
Well I'm also attending a long-distance university in my country, so I know how it works
And I'm about to finish my MSc without any ST D:
user587860
But I do not understand their eligibility criterion. Like, how much money will I need for this
here in italy online universities have the reputation of being a place where you basically pay for your degree
11:30
Lol 🦄
@Mr.Feynman i read you were finishing your MSc without any STD
> And I'm about to finish my MSc without any ST D:
What is the D? :P
Ooh ok
Nvm
@Supersymmetry This OU one is literally a UK degree, you would have an absolutely excellent chance of getting into a very good UK MSc if you get top marks in it, and if you get lucky you would get a phd offer that way, you could also do the GRE and take a gamble on a US PhD offer
11:33
anyhow i also didn't do any string theory in my MSc, except to parts I self studied
@bolbteppa damn didnt know jee was this famous
Again, if you know all the basics and have studied undegrad, you are just buying yourself more time to study this way, and who cares about talking to people about the basic stuff you already supposedly know it all...
@Mr.Feynman where do you study btw?
im in University of Bologna
3
user587860
@nickbros123 lol
user587860
@bolbteppa Yes, I'll consider this idea. But perhaps I also want to try my chances at US universities as a transfer applicant
11:35
money wise wouldn't the US be way more expensive?
user587860
It is not going to be more difficult than PhD, but still so because I'll have to prove somehow that I am exceptional among other undergraduate students in my country
They literally have a 'BSc (Honours) Mathematics and Physics', by the end you're doing QM and electromagnetism, it's a 3 year one not a 4 year one so you don't get to QFT and GR, but you can do that in the MSc (though you already know it all already ;) ), if your option is self study or years waiting for some JEE exam vs this, there is no choice
@ekardnam_ I'm sorry, as I have said in a previous occasion, I'm not comfortable with sharing such information :)
I like being as anonymous as possible :P
user587860
@ekardnam_ No, US universities will cover the fees up to 100%, if you get admitted.
sure dont worry mate
11:37
@Supersymmetry, I dont know how things work in your place, but surely there must be an entrance exam akin to jee which is conducted every year? id say even an engineering degree boosts ur chances imo. since youre just a 1st year, you have quite a lot of time..
But for the record I have a couple of friends studying in Bologna MSc first year
cool, im in theoretical, but most of my friends study materials science lol
user587860
@nickbros123 I want to be a web programmer who does string theory stuff
@ekardnam_ yes my friends are in theoretical physics too
user587860
Yeah, well, I'm making things as hard to sound like a troll. But I love self-studying, despite its vast difficulty. And the only option for me to take is to apply as a transfer applicant
11:39
@Supersymmetry Then this distance approach is even more perfect for you
user587860
If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
Why would you say you sound like a troll?
@Supersymmetry i dont know if theres a clear pathway to what ur asking for, but ig the open uni thing makes sense
If you even know what a bosonic string is, then you could do the entire first year of that course on the side as you do your other degree
user587860
Because you'll be seen as a troll if you talk to physicists like "I want to be a web programmer who's also M-theorist"
11:41
and generally universities that are not in india are sensible enough to offer dual degree programs
user587860
Without a proper education in an undergraduate program
> If you even know what a bosonic string is, then you could do the entire first year of that course on the side as you do your other degree
i mean understanding the bosonic string means understanding:
- quantum field theory
- conformal field theory
- general relativity
and more
Yes it is an absolutely terrible idea, that's why you should get a formal education
user587860
I understand what a bosonic string is, yes.
In the time spent self-studying, you could probably have already done this OU course and got a BSc, in other words you've probably already seen in real time the opportunity cost in taking this 'outsider researcher' approach
user587860
11:43
Conformal field theory is really a fun course, in which you deal with things like conformal Ward identity, state-operator correspondence
understanding the bosonic string well means you have to understand well most of what you do in a 5 year BSc + MSc
user587860
Well Polyakov's theory that governs the propagation of bosonic string is itself a CFT, so CFT is obviously required to understand string theory
@Supersymmetry I can think of so many ways this OU path could succeed, in addition you could do things like summer research projects on string theory etc, I can think of no ways the other paths will work, except waiting 2-3 years for a JEE exam which might go wrong
@bolbteppa has a future as a "academic career advisor"
This is a list of schools worldwide that identify as open universities, either as part of their titles or as an explicit tenet of their educational philosophy and methods. Open education is a core value for these institutions; they are not just secondary offshoots from more traditional universities. The information shown for each school is deliberately limited. Each university listed here is linked to an existing article, where more information and verifiable references can be found. (Column headings: 'DL' = distance learning, 'PC' = physical campus) == Africa == == Asia == == Oceania == ��2...
That one is only of the only 'top 500' as well
user587860
11:45
@bolbteppa Sorry that I am asking you so many questions, but isn't there a chance for me to study in the US too? As a Bachelor student
> Because you'll be seen as a troll if you talk to physicists like "I want to be a web programmer who's also M-theorist"
user587860
after obtaining my degree in web programming
the thing about this
I don't see how you're going to transfer into the US, even if you were in a BSc I don't see how you'd do it, and I don't believe they would cover your fees either
is that doing physics research cant be just a hobby like in the '800
user587860
11:47
@bolbteppa Students from community colleges are seen as a transfer student, so they're eligible to apply for Bachelor programs. Tuition will be covered up to 100%
user587860
But this is only true for top places, like Harvard/MIT. Both of which are dreams
However, if you did a BSc and did the GRE and got incredible results and great references, you would have a good shot of getting a fully funded PhD somewhere in the US
you need to constantly be updated of what all the other people in your field are doing all the time, go to workshops, conferences, seminars
anyway as it was being said last night, i think european education is way superior to american
@Supersymmetry It's not going to happen, you're not going to get transferred into a top university and be given the opportunity to transfer into some of the most competitive courses in the US, especially in a field different to the one you're studying now, this is a crazy idea
user587860
@bolbteppa I know
11:50
It's ideas like that which make none of this sound serious, especially compared to realistic completely achievable pathways like the one I suggested, or the potential 3+year 'JEE equivalent so you get into 1st year which could go wrong in a few ways' wait
yeah i agree with @bolbteppa
user587860
No, your open university idea is unrealistic for me, because I won't be able to afford financially to enroll at that program
user587860
The best suggestion you could provide is that I re-take the national examination to start a BS degree in Physics. Which I am not considering at the moment
then public university one
it seems the best and most realistic option
The cost for the whole degree seems to be like 20k in UK money, which is cheaper than the cost in a non-online course there, and you pay that in bits not in one go. The difference between doing this and spreading out first year over the next 2 years, and then doing 2nd year the third year, vs waiting 3 years before you get accepted into 1st year via the JEE idea, is really immense, you will give up physics before then just out of sheer frustration, 99%
user587860
11:58
20k Sterling is 741k TL in my country
user587860
Which is equivalent to buying a house. Perhaps a mediocre house, as the inflation and currency rates are extremely high in my country
why do you have to wait three years for the entrance exam in the first place?
user587860
I do not have to wait three years but only like a year, since I am in the first year of a two-year program
then why not do that?
user587860
@ekardnam_ I'm not a person who's happy when he achieves, but a person who achieves when he's happy.
user587860
12:03
I do not feel happy in my country
Even if you start in 1.5 years, if it's a 4 year degree, that 5.5 years before the opportunity for a masters or the GRE to try for a US PhD. With this OU option, you could probably start after Christmas and have your full degree in 3 years, since you know the basics the first half of the degree will be so easy it wont interfere with your current course and if it gets hectic slow the physics thing down by 1 semester... It's expensive but I'm sure there is a way
I mean 20k would be a lot even in italy, i can imagine its loads of money for turkey
I'll leave it at that, good luck with whatever you decide to do, I would suggest not gambling on the 5.5 year path, lots of people get into debt to study as bad as that is
user587860
@bolbteppa Perhaps I just also leave it at that, and make it my hobby.
user587860
No student will get into debt for a house price, for the sake of obtaining a BS
12:09
> @ekardnam_ I'm not a person who's happy when he achieves, but a person who achieves when he's happy.

I do not feel happy in my country
If I was in such a position, where I already knew the basic curriculum and so didn't need to stress so hard with the material, and my alternative was literally nothing and I had no hope of studying physics otherwise (which the JEE option looks like to me in reality), I would quit the degree I was doing now, move to the UK, get a minimum wage job and live in the cheapest area I could, and do this OU degree. I could probably figure out how to accelerate it as well. It's a question of priorities
oh so the issue is the country
(The minimum wage job in a cheap place would roughly cover the degree and living over the 3 years)
i mean if all your plan is made to achieve leaving your country it is a different thing
user587860
@bolbteppa You're suggesting as though I am in Europea, where I can easily leave the country to move to the UK to get a minimum wage job and enroll at an open university. Things are so expensive in my country that you won't even move from a place to a place within the country
user587860
12:10
@ekardnam_ Yeah, that's my goal
then you should have stated it clearly because so far it seemed like the goal was doing a PhD in string theory
> where I can easily leave the country to move to the UK
yeah with brexit maybe not so easy anymore
user587860
I want to be a string theorist. But I do really, really agree that I need a BSc in Physics before that
user587860
And to get a BSc in Physics, I must try my chances at US universities as a transfer student, call it unrealistic or not
I'm just giving a basic idea, the details can be adapted
what seems to make little sense to me is why necessarily US now
user587860
12:13
Europea is expensive.
its not more expensive than us
user587860
As I said, I am aiming for universities where the tuition will be covered
i mean people dont have student debt in europe like they do in us
there are scholarships just as much as in the us here
user587860
I want to try my chances at top places in the US. I know I'll get a straight rejection, but it's just worth trying
user587860
I just won't care, I think. As long as I have books to read, I can try to learn something and do this as a hobby
12:17
If it was possible to get into a US university for physics via a transfer from a Turkish computer science AA, this would be every US student's backup plan
user587860
Not every computer science AA student does conformal field theory
i mean so US is just another constraint, what you really want is doing a BSc in Physics in US
It would be very smart to include some waffle about an advanced subject in the transfer application essay, how can they tell whether you are writing something you understand or got someone to help you write it etc
because there would perfectly valuable options in other countries too
please let's define the boundary conditions of the problem clearly then in order to find the solution
and if you are writing something you understand, the first question they ask is why didn't you follow the normal path
user587860
12:19
Yeah this problem won't have a unique solution without a proper boundary condition. Our initial condition is determined: I am a computer science AA student in Turkey
condition 1. leave turkey
condition 2. do physics BSc
condition 3. in the US
user587860
Yes
user587860
@bolbteppa I'm nowhere near as someone as Witten, but it's the same reason as why Witten didn't follow the physics path when he was an undergraduate student, and ended up at Physics PhD program. People might go through different periods in their time that affects their decisions. That doesn't rationalize anything
His dad was a famous theoretical physicist, and he had already gotten into an economics grad program and had a BA
user587860
So what?
user587860
12:22
There are many English majors who then ended up at medical programs.
user587860
You're speaking as though you've never met a Computer Science BSc student ending up with dealing with QFT's at PhD program
user587860
Nobody is obligated to pursue whatever their initial major was in. One of course wishes for a bachelor programme that isn't completely tangent to the field of interest, but it doesn't mean you'll continue flowing along that path for the rest of your life
user587860
Plus, I am unable to control the circumstances in my life myself. Yes, I also wanted to choose physics and flow along the geodesic in the set of all possible paths between my initial conditions and string theory career
user587860
But it didn't happen
12:48
I mean it happens but it isn't the way you are most likely to succeed
> You're speaking as though you've never met a Computer Science BSc student ending up with dealing with QFT's at PhD program
I never met one
user587860
13:18
@ekardnam_ I can keep learning for fun, then.
user587860
I do not need a diploma in my CV to deal with D-brane dynamics, or with anything that you're passionate about.
fqq
fqq
@bolbteppa you can't just move to the UK, especially for a min wage job
It's just a suggestion on doing whatever it takes if a person is committed enough, you can adapt the details to whatever will actually work
fqq
fqq
Also English universities are literally the most expensive in Europe, especially if you're from abroad you pay ~double fees + very expensive visa, and you cannot work full time
And bsc education is not that good compared to most of EU
13:34
How are they going to get in anywhere else
@Supersymmetry people here are just trying to give you advice on how to achieve you're dreams. I get you have your constraints, which aren't few to be honest. For example I don't see a point in restricting to the US when there are plenty of scholarships all around the world you could apply for
The way you are most likely to succeed in becoming a successful researcher in string theory is by doing a PhD in the field. An advisor is important even just for the fact that you add a known name in the field to the papers you are going to publish during your PhD
Getting into a PhD program is not even trivial if you have a MSc and a BSc in physics already, why would they ever get a person who has neither I dont know. Most likely you wont even be taken into consideration without those
Now is there a possibility that you become a renowned physicst because of your self-studies and that you will even be able to publish important papers this way? Yeah I guess it is technically possible, but nearly impossible
And it seems like, even knowing this, you are still picking the most difficult path yourself
I don't mean to be mean by say this, but don't do stuff thinking that for you stuff will be different because you are somewhat special. It won't. This is just some sound realism, maybe you're young and dreaming, but you need to realize that to the university offering the PhD positions you are basically your CV, they do not know you or anything and they will pick based on that and maybe, in some cases, an interview
But if your CV doesn't even have a physics BSc I doubt you will ever pass to the interview phase
Also often professors reccomend students around because they know each other "like hey i have this student who did their master thesis on CFT with me, they would be a good fit for your PhD position, I assure you they know the basics well and they wont waste your time"
So concluding, just look for a scholarship for a BSc in physics. That's the only way that does realistically make sense to achieve what you want. I wouldn't restrict to US as it makes no sense, there are scholarships all around the world and if you know all this stuff in string theory and such you will most likely find one you can get into
user587860
13:56
@ekardnam_ I am not trying to end up at Physics PhD program with a Computer Science AA.
user587860
Computer Science AA can be integrated to Computer Engineering BS in my country, but it's still not what we desire the most. But US universities (I do not know if this happens in Europea) can integrate Computer Science AA to Physics BS. Then, the path to PhD program in string theory might open
but i dont understand the need to "integrate"
the BSc is just the first thing you do after highschool in europe
you can start it as long as you have done highschool, which I guess you have
user587860
By integrating, I mean if you studied two years at a community college, you can keep pursuing higher courses and make it a Bachelor degree. This happens if you succeed in the specific exam designed for this
user587860
The benefit of US universities comes from the fact that if you're admitted, they'll let you study physics because the admission is major-blind
oh like you dont need to start over
user587860
13:59
Exactly, BUT this will happen if and only if Computer Science is related to the field to which you want to integrate degree.
well it should be similar here
user587860
The country finds no surprisingly that this is most related to "Computer Engineering Bachelor programme"
user587860
and so you'll end up being a computer engineer
for example you wouldnt have to take calculus if you already did calculus
user587860
Exactly so our country will let you start from the second year in the programme. There's no year loss
user587860
14:01
But as I said, this is still not benefitical because Computer Science cannot be integrated to Physics Bachelor
I see
well but something similar may be possible in european universities tbh
user587860
I'm, of course, under the realization that this is unrealistically high goal to achieve, but if you get admitted to US/European universities, they'll let you pursue Physics as a transfer student
user587860
Except your course credits might not be taken into consideration, so you might have to catch up with previous courses. In which case you might have to re-start from the first year
otherwise loosing one year doesnt seem such a bad option
people often take four years to graduate the bachelor here instead of three anyhow
user587860
So yes, you shouldn't think of my goal as getting admitted to a PhD program in string theory with a Computer Science AA
user587860
14:05
It's extremely obvious that this is not going to happen
user587860
My goal is to integrate AA degree to BS but in Physics
well okay, then look for scholarships around the world which you apply for
user587860
Yeah, I'll see what my options are
In reality, there are basically no scholarships, and transferring to the US if it even happened you'd likely have to pay 3-5 times the UK fee, each year, they do not cover fees, this is just a pipe dream unfortunately
In addition you want to get accepted into a comp sci thing based on your comp sci interests, they will not accept you just to let you then drop it and go to physics, there are just so many hurdles down this path
You'll end up at best on vixra if you go down the 'independent researcher' route, this stuff is so hard there's a reason all these institutes exist and people don't do it on their own
14:23
What makes $(5)$ straightforward? $\Psi$ is not the integration variable, how do we find the correlator easily?
while it is easy to find the correlator $\langle\theta(x)\theta(0)\rangle$ which is basically a free propagator
Maybe should I change integration variable in the path integral? Something like $\int D\theta\to\int D\Psi D\Psi^{\star}$
but I should take into account that $\Psi$ is unimodular
Apparently somebody asked something similar here
Maybe I should just evaluate the path integral directly
15:26
By the way, does anyone know a comprehensive table of gaussian path integrals? I always forget signs or $i$s when passing from euclidean to Minkowski etc.
I expect @bolbteppa to have something similar :P
@Mr.Feynman Are you asking how to get from (4) to the line before (5)? Or are you asking how to get from the line before (5) to (5)? Both are crazy to just throw at people.
@Mr.Feynman don't wiki have one?
Common integrals in quantum field theory are all variations and generalizations of Gaussian integrals to the complex plane and to multiple dimensions. Other integrals can be approximated by versions of the Gaussian integral. Fourier integrals are also considered. == Variations on a simple Gaussian integral == === Gaussian integral === The first integral, with broad application outside of quantum field theory, is the Gaussian integral. In physics the factor of 1/2 in the argument of the exponential is common. Note: Thus we obtain === Slight generalization of the Gaussian integral ===...
@naturallyInconsistent Wiki has a useful page, yes
But many integral are missing
Like those of the form $\int D\phi D\phi^\star [...]$
Where square roots disappear
@naturallyInconsistent I was asking the latter but I just evaluated the path integral at the end of the day
I'm always worried about that; part of the headache is that there are many things in QFT that is convention-dependent, and so many different authors have different conventions in use
I need to write a table myself
Although, there is someone else who I expect to have what I need :P
@Qmechanic Hello. Do you happen to know any useful table of path integrals like the one in this wiki link but more comprehensive?
i.e. considering both euclidean/Minkowski path integral and complex integration. Those signs are a headache
@Mr.Feynman $$\frac{1-\cos(kx)}{k^2}=\frac{2\sin^2\left(\frac{kx}2\right)}{k^2}=\frac{x^2}2\left(\frac{\sin\frac{kx}2}{\frac{kx}2}\right)^2=\frac{x^2}2\text{sinc}^2\frac{kx}2$$ then you can do a variable substitution for $\frac{kx}2$ and look up an integration table for sinc$^2$
I made a table for myowself that had the choice of metric signature explicitly there, so it would work for anybody choosing which sign they prefer.
15:45
@naturallyInconsistent Yes but the problem was how he got the correlator in $(5)$ (please note that $\psi\neq\theta$ but anyhow I computed the average via the path integral directly
15:58
quantamagazine.org/… Oppenheim is saying that spacetime is classical and not quantum
@Mr.Feynman that is why I asked if it were the former. I also didn't know where the line before (5) appeared.
00:00 - 16:0016:00 - 23:00

« first day (4789 days earlier)      last day (437 days later) »