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15:14
does anyone else here do research?
my research makes me want to die so these days i procrastinate with gr and now qft
wait why cant i tag feynman?
@Relativisticcucumber because he hasn't been online in chat for 4 days, you can only ping users that have been in a room in the last ~2 days
@ACuriousMind ah okay thanks !
the trolley dilemma. this is one of the most undecidable problems in history
it is here. U just cant decide. and not deciding also counts as a decision
quantum field and field operator are synonymous, right?
@Relativisticcucumber they are
but it is analogous to calling time dependent position and momentum operators a "quantum particle" in non Rel QM, which is why it is bad terminology
15:28
@Relativisticcucumber not exactly but for your purposes probably yes :P
if u call time dependent field operators a "quantum field", then u should call time dependent position operators a "quantum particle"
but the terminology "quantum field" for "operator field" is unfortunately popular
even though there is nothing inherently quantum about operators
15:44
in schwartz, he says that restricting to one particle states is appropriate in the nonrelativistic limit. why is this so?
@Relativisticcucumber particle number is conserved in the nonrelativistic limit
@Relativisticcucumber because we don't see a lot of particles being destroyed or created in everyday non-relativistic life?
i thought that was a quantum mechanical limit -- why does it relate to relativity?
because "non-relativistic" means essentially "slow" and "slow" means collision don't have a lot of energy
the mass energy equivalence
15:46
does particle decay not happen in the non relativistic regime?
the stuff where particles get created and destroyed is collisions with a lot of energy
i mean a heavy particle just decays
it need not be moving at rel speeds
The particle creation happens in regimes where $p^2 \approx mc^2$
i think i was thinking more of emission and absorption type stuff?
Which is hard to do if $c \to \infty$
15:47
@RyderRude yes, we're ignoring decaying states here
@Relativisticcucumber and what gets emitted or absorbed, usually?
photons, that's what, a prime example of a relativistic object
no non-relativistic limit for something that always moves at c
oh i see. i never thought about that being a relativistic thing but now i see derp
carrot brain rotting
if particle decay does happen in the non rel regime, why cant non rel qm or non rel QFT explain it? @ACuriousMind
it doesn't happen "in the non-rel. regime"
because, as Slereah said, the non-rel. regime conserves particle number
i thought non rel regime just means non rel speeds
a standing particle can decay
you have to distinguish the fiction of the non-rel. limit from the real world at low energy - of course the limit is meant to describe a lot of what happens in the real world, but the two are not 1:1
15:51
oh
How does a non-relativistic particle decay
like a muon can decay into an electron i think
that's a very relativistic description
You're doing energy conservation with relativistic rules
i mean it can happen at non rel speeds
what happens when you send the speed of light to infinity
15:53
@Slereah easy: Energy is always conserved, $m\infty^2 = m\infty^2$ :P
it is surprising that relativistic energy conservation can apply even at non rel speeds
I don't even know what would happen tbh
The contraction to the Galilean group looks very fucked up
tbf the non rel energy technically should include the rest energy i guess
but it's infinity
just because something is infinite doesnt mean it's zero :P
Also the CPT theorem doesn't hold in the non-relativistic case so idk how a decay would even go down
phew, i just cleared all the reviews i could. hit the dayum limit on the close votes
I would have just asserted that a decay uses creation and annihilation operators, a concept that does not exist in NRQM, only in QFT. And it is really only sensible in SRQFT, with NRQFT just inheriting them from SRQFT.
16:05
what is SRQFT
super relativistic QFT?
standard QFT, because we usually do it in SR context
how can there be a nonrel qft
how can there not?
write down a non-relativistic classical field theory
there are classical fields
16:06
ask what its quantum equivalent is
There is NRQFT, just rather broken.
@naturallyInconsistent you're joking right
I'm not joking
condensed matter is full of non-rel. QFTs
@RyderRude Particle decay can occur in Newtonian mechanics
@naturallyInconsistent Then you are completely wrong, of course you can set up second quantization in non-relativistic quantum mechanics
16:08
@ACuriousMind ah i see
@bolbteppa elementary particle decay or composite particle decay? if it's the former, then idk any classical physics laws that allow that
The usual NRQM that we play with, is quite the inconsistent mess. It is only after studying SRQFT and carefully extracting out the NRQFT and reinterpretating the stuff in NRQM formalism, that you realise that, actually, one single SRQFT matter field leads to a pair of NRQM, one for the particle, the other for the anti-particle. Having just one of them alone is not ok.
the underlying problem here is that it's ambiguous what we mean by "QFT", really
@naturallyInconsistent what is an example of an inconsistent result that happens when u just consider a second quantised schrodinger field?
@bolbteppa I know that. I just exited from condensed matter research. We aren't talking about that, and I specifically phrased it in a way with it in mind, that the NRQFT creation and annihilation are inheritances from SRQFT
16:10
@naturallyInconsistent It's absolutely not an inconsistent mess, it's very very standard stuff
@bolbteppa very very standard stuff can still be inconsistent messes.
I knew your incorrect comments about relativistic quantum mechanics were based on a deeper misunderstanding
i think @naturallyInconsistent uses the word "inconsistent" too lightly. u need to show that an actual mathematical incomsistency
Go tell me where the inconsistent mess is in chapter 9 of Landau's QM where this is set up from first principles, you wont find a single issue with it
being in hbar makes me feel like im the child of many parents in an extremely dysfunctional polygamous relationship
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16:13
It is rather obvious from hindsight that the electron field ought to have electron and positron QM as NR limits, not just one of them.
@RyderRude its just natural to them hehehehhe
u also said that Newton's third law was necessary for consistency. that was also wrong @naturallyInconsistent
u just use the term 'inconsistency" incorrectly
maybe u just mean something less serious
@Relativisticcucumber :S
@Relativisticcucumber lolol
16:34
Hmm, it seems that everybody is here. Time to party and make everybody leave by having a interpretations debate.
@nickbros123 earlier today @SillyGoose and i were talking and they mentioned reading jackson and griffiths for days and i was like nobody in their right mind enjoys that and sillygoose was well like nickbros would love it XD
@naturallyInconsistent and i also had a funny meme about you. have you seen alice in borderland?
Actually, I think I did read that manga completely
@naturallyInconsistent its a manga??
16:38
lol
@Relativisticcucumber haha that's is indeed correct! Recently added zangwell to this list. I simply do nothing else
@naturallyInconsistent well theres a part in the show of it where this guy just starts blasting everyone to death semirandomly and sillygoose and i were watching it and i was like bro this is naturallyinconsistant when ryder rude says anything
@Relativisticcucumber most anime and live-action stuff in Japan start out as manga. The other possibility is light novel. Of course, there is also a healthy industry making stuff directly for TV
@Relativisticcucumber I'm already very seriously staying out. There is a limit to caring after the recipient obviously does not intend to learn.
the joke for acm is to reply with everything with the phrase "what do you mean by [insert proper item]"
@Relativisticcucumber you might want to scroll up a little and read the incredibly tortured conversation where ACM used a lot of this phrase.
16:42
everyone in this chat is very much a character
in a good way generally :D
theres a legit meme format that fits @Slereah perfectly
its like
nobody:
slereah: extremely abstract differential geometry facts flying from every direction
but theres no meme for feynman :(
@Relativisticcucumber what do you mean, joke?
that's just what I do :P
@ACuriousMind i mean the joke we have that relates to u is to reply in such a way to the other person
but its a useful mannerism i do believe
Nobody: Slereah: random obscure GR factoid, video of gen Z humour from decades before gen Z, new GR book snippet...
16:45
I also do that internally: when I get stuck on some question I first try to figure out if I really understand what every part of the question means
@Relativisticcucumber what i like about reading slereah messages on this chat is their sly digs at the mathematicians here and there
Oooh, yes, please dig at them more!
@Relativisticcucumber you have no idea how much of an existential crisis you have just dealt onto this kitty. Decade after reading the dayum manga, wondering where Alice was, and only dayum now I read on wiki that it is the dayum protagonist GUY.
arisu?????
arisu is alice?????
also dont spoil anything im only half way through
I don't think that's a spoiler as such
arisu is just how you write Alice in Japanese
@Relativisticcucumber ok. Yes, wiki says the main guy is alice. Dayum the language barrier.
16:52
@SillyGoose i told u!!!!!
everytime someone new comes into the show sillygoose is like
"is this alice?!?!?"
XDXD
I'm going to just take in my mind that Arisu is trans. A hot trans man. My mind will be much more at peace this way.
@Relativisticcucumber That was meow back when the manga introduced new girls.
arisu looks like a mop XD
@naturallyInconsistent I agree with VI Arnold's take on math and motivation from physics
@nickbros123 He has fun, scathing remarks, but I never made sense of his texts.
One of the nice things about studying in Western Europe is that you get the chance to totally immerse yourself in the completely racist yet utterly amusing national stereotypes, more so when the field of study is full of eccentric personalities.
Arnold, in particular, is so Russian
@naturallyInconsistent I have copy of his Classical mechanics book, which i hopefully will start by this December in my emphatic return to classical mechanics
Also, I liked his DE book, from the little I've read from it. A bit advanced for me though
17:05
@nickbros123 That's one of the ones I never made head or tails of.
@nickbros123 I bought it, and also the mechanics book, and just never made sense of either.
@naturallyInconsistent I thought it was a classic liked by everyone
I'm the kind of person who can tolerate some arbitrary stuff, but not a lot; I do not just want to absorb some mathematical structure / fact, but rather I want to know why particularly must I pick this structure in the particular way given to us, and no other alternative would do.
Needless to say, QFT is a tremendous disaster to study. Every slightest deviation is a potentially decades long trek to discover a dead end
@naturallyInconsistent only stereotype i am aware of with the Russian authors is their concise nature
There was a joke about them having paper shortage
I got so ingrained into the stereotype that when I was reading baby rudin i instinctively assumed rudin was Russian but turns out he was American
@nickbros123 There are too many jokes for meow to pick from.
Say, there is a joke about a mathematician going to Russia and wanting to present some theorem he found. As he goes on to write some stuff down and want to prove them, some big shot in the audience goes "That's obvious, just move on". After a few more attempts of that, he just writes down a few more statements, pausing only to ask if they are still obvious and doesn't require proofs. Finally, upon writing down a last statement and obtaining that, yes, it is indeed obvious,
and does not require a proof, he goes on to point out that the statement is false. So, then he restarts the presentation, going to prove things step-by-step
Arnold particularly fits this stereotype, partly when you consider his anecdotes about "Russian schoolchildren have learnt about" X avart-garde uni maths topic, just because he taught them.
17:53
mr dostoevsky is the opposite of concise
@Relativisticcucumber Lol
123
123
18:08
To understand LM what calculus topic do I need to study? I don't understand how generalized coordinates turn into generalized velocity due to math
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@SillyGoose he was from a rich family in pre-revolution Russia, he had plenty of paper
@ACuriousMind *the romaji transliteration :P
yes yes
I'm back, chat
Hi back, I'm ACM
18:14
What a stylish entrance
@ACuriousMind dang
18:32
@fqq this is tolstoy you are thinking of i think
tolstoy is the aristocrat dostoevsky is the poor man on death row
@Mr.Feynman you were sorely missed, btw
18:50
@ACuriousMind if u don't mind me asking this, why didn't u go into academia
@nickbros123 I realized I didn't actually enjoy doing research in theoretical physics all that much, I didn't want to move around the world chasing academic positions because I like where I am right now and I wasn't all that in love with string theory and QFT anymore after actually having studied them for a while (but I could've changed fields, sure).
while there's also general problems with academia it was mostly a personal decision
19:42
@123 Maybe this will help. For a single particle, generalized coordinates are any set of coordinates (e.g. Cartesian, Polar, Spherical, etc...) convenient for the problem. $\mathbf{F} = m\mathbf{a}$ in Cartesian coordinates is $F^i = m \frac{d^2 x^i}{dt^2}$, however in polar coordinates it's not $F^r = m \frac{d^2 \theta}{dt^2}$, $F^{\theta} = m \frac{d^2 \theta}{dt^2}$,
You need very basic differential geometry to see it's now $F^i = m ( \frac{d^2 x^i}{dt^2} + \Gamma^i_{jk} \frac{dx^j}{dt} \frac{dx^k}{dt})$. The $\frac{dx^i}{dt}$ are the 'generalized velocities'. For example $\dot{r}$ and $\dot{\theta}$ are generalized velocities in polar coordinates.
Setting $T = \frac{1}{2} g_{ij} \frac{dx^i}{dt} \frac{dx^j}{dt}$, we can re-write the equation as $F_i = g_{ij} F^j = \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{\partial T}{\partial \dot{x}^i}) - \frac{\partial T}{\partial x^i}$, which is almost LM. If $F_i = - \partial_i V$ then setting $L = T - V$ we get the E-L equations $\frac{d}{dt}(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^i}) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial x^i} = 0$ from $F = ma$ just by potting it in generalized coordinates
(Should read $F^r = m \frac{d^2 r}{dt^2}$ above)
So if you had no idea LM existed, you can see from this that it's telling us setting up $F = ma$ basically amounts to fixing this scalar $L$ function in the cases where $F = - \partial_i V$. If $F$ is not in this simple $F_i = - \partial_i V$ form, the idea is that really $F$ is not a 'fundamental' force it's some approximate model encompassing non-specified degrees of freedom (e.g. friction is really a gross approximation of tons of interactions etc)
At least in CM
20:01
@Relativisticcucumber Fear not, for I'm here, my young padawan
Although I'd be happier if to migrate this from Star Wars to Halo
@ACuriousMind Today during an exam, the Professor and I had a brief digression and so he asked me to define a connection and the first thing that came to my mind was
Jul 2 at 11:23, by ACuriousMind
there's like a dozen different ways to look at connections
lol
Tell him it's the derivative of the flow of the transport operator
or something idk
nah, go off about horizontal subbundles and Ehresmann connections
20:35
Also remember that connections don't have to be on the first jet or on vector
You can even have connections defined on the zero-th order jet rly
 
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22:05
Quick physics question: Is there a formula in terms of F that gives the pressure (In PSI, Pa, etc.) required to compress air to 1/F of its volume? Or water? Or iron?
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