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@Mithrandir24601 I've just ordered some jasmine green tea pearls :D
 
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@SillyGoose what are the pre requisites.
03:33
pre-reqs for what :0 @nickbros123
if you're talking about halmos, I don't think any pre-reqs as the book is quite self-contained :)
04:18
Thank you.
I personally find the style quite nice. i only read several pages, but halmos tells you when he is making an abuse of notation or inaccuracy for the sake of pedagogical convenience and also tells you when there are alternate paths to develop a concept in linear algebra and tells you why he develops it the way he does if that makes sense
 
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06:46
Hmm, interesting. Will definitely give it a try. My LA course starts next semister (approx 30 days left) and the primary recommendation is Hoffman kunze. Many of my seniors said halmos is for a 2nd reading
 
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07:54
@nickbros123 oh interesting. where are you based? i read through the first three chapters of hoffman and kunze before stopping :P. you may have a different experience, but I thought that the notation gets in the way of the content at times.
i took a course in linear algebra based entirely on prof lectures. then i read some of H&K. Now, I'm patching up some holes with Halmos :P.
08:08
@geocalc33 See this
08:41
@SillyGoose I'm based in India. This year (in my institute) one cannot exactly trust courses based on prof lectures, since semesters are cut short, and the instructors' main goal becomes completion of the list of course objectives rather than covering nuances in every subtopic.
@Relativisticcucumber Sorry, I've been quite busy. They way I'd put is that when we're studying hydrogen as the relativistic limit of the system we know non relativistically we're interested in the positive energy solutions. The negative energy solutions are a problem in the one-particle relativistic theory, which what we're concerned with here. I don't think we should even think to attribute any meaning to negative energy solutions in the one-particle theory because they're just nonsense
Arising from the fact we've decided to treat a relativistic theory as a one particle theory
Think of this easier example. The solutions of the free Dirac equation might have either positive or negative solution. When you perform the non relativistic reduction of this, you consider energies of the form $E\approx mc^2$ which is what you have in the nR limit you know for a free particle, instead of $E\approx -mc^2$
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According to [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_bracket#Generalized_Hamiltonian_procedure) wiki article, the weak equality in the context of constrained Hamiltonian mechanics is defined as follows:
> Two functions on phase space, $f$ and $g$, are weakly equal if they are equal when the constraints are satisfied, but not throughout the phase space, denoted $f\approx g$. If $f$ and $g$ are equal independently of the constraints being satisfied, they are called strongly equal, written $f=g$. It is important to note that, in order to get the right answer, no weak equations may be used before evaluating derivatives or Poisson brackets.
On the other hand, a book I'm reading defines it as:
What is the relation between these definitions?
09:01
@nickbros123 oh yes I would not trust the lectures I had :). I certainly left with many holes in my knowledge. i hope you enjoy the course and whichever book you end up using
09:21
Thank youđź‘Ť
09:48
is the concept of annihilator vectors used att all in physics?
 
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10:54
Pls see this movie called "Coherence". It is a good movie on decoherence, Schrodinger's cat and stuff
It is entertaining!
11:32
@SillyGoose what's an "annihilator vector"?
I only know about annihilators in the context of rings and modules, not vectors
 
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12:38
ACM, since you're fond of constrained systems, are the two definitions above (~ 5 messages ago) equivalent?
12:56
@Mr.Feynman They're not exactly definitions of the same thing
your first quote defines "weak equality" generally while the second just says that "the constraints are weakly zero" means the constraints are relations that may not be invariant under general Poisson brackets
13:12
@ACuriousMind So, is it just the same symbol for two different things? Does it mean that "the contraints are weakly zero" is not the weak equality $f\approx g$ between $f:=\varphi_m$ and $g:=0$?
Because if that were the case, then I wouldn't see how that $f\approx g$ in this specialized case would lead to the statement about the PB
13:30
@Mr.Feynman A function that has zero PB with every canonical coordinate is constant on the entire phase space. The constraints are not constants on the entire phase space, so they have non-zero bracket with at least one canonical coordinate
i.e. generally, something that is weakly zero but not zero will have at least one non-zero bracket
13:59
@ACuriousMind Alright! Thank you!
 
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Can I think of adding up all the possible trajectories of a vector field as a simple case of a path integral?
@geocalc33 What mathematical operation do u mean by "adding up all possible trajectories of a vector field"?
15:58
@RyderRude for example if $O_n(x)$ are a set of orbits/trajectories, then i mean $\sum_n O_n(x).$
this would be discrete though actually..
How do you add trajectories together if your space isn't a vector space
@Slereah hmm I was just thinking that the $O_n(x)$ would be a discrete collection of all the possible trajectories
my point is that in general you can't guarantee that this operation is possible
and also why would you do it
16:15
@geocalc33 If your flat space is a lattice and has a finite volume, then the set of trajectories will be discrete, yes. In tht case, the analogue of the path integral would be to integrate some function from the set of trajectories to scalers
So we are not "adding up" the trajectories themselves. We are only adding the scaler function values
The trajectories work as the index of the summation. Like in usual integration, it's "dx"
Oh..I see. Are you saying integration of the area under the trajectory to get a scalar, or something slightly different?
There is a function, which takes trajectories as input, and gives scalers as output
Intuitively, you are summing up the outputs of this function across the set of all trajectories in its domain
Like, in usual integration, u r sort of summing up some function's outputs across the real line
In path integration, u r summing up the outputs across the "space of trajectories" @geocalc33
yes this is where i get a little confused - Is this related to integral transforms?
No
As far as i know..
Actually, there is something called the "functional Fourier transform". So, integral transforms have generalisations to functional integration
"Functional" is the term used for functions of functions @geocalc33
The usual fourier transform is defined for functions. It employs usual integration. There is a generalisation to functionals. It employs functional integration
16:42
@ACuriousMind One of my questions got automatically deleted becuz it had -1 vote. Is there some way to restore it?
I used to re-visit it sometimes
If I have an electron whose spin is in some superposition, can I rotate the direction of the spin, via magnetic field or something like that, without destroying the superposition?
@Amit under interaction with a constant magnetic field, the expected value of spin precesses with constant angular speed
On average, it behaves like the precession of a magnetic dipole from classical mechanics, in a uniform magnetic field
@RyderRude I understand that more or less, but at the instant when the interaction starts, is it correct that the magnetic field immediately collapses the spin to a certain direction?
@RyderRude unless you have an exceptional reason why it shouldn't stay deleted like every other question that gets deleted by the roomba, no
@RyderRude I think I get it now. You basically take a functional that assigns a unique scalar to a unique trajectory - and you sum up these outputs with respect to the space of trajectories
16:51
@Amit yes, you can
@Amit Interaction doesn't cause collapse. Maybe decoherence if u didn't do it carefully idk
@geocalc33 it's not a sum, it's an integral. Integrals are not sums.
@geocalc33 yes
I meand "sum" intuitively :P. Sorry
sure - an integral
@ACuriousMind Okay, and if I further suppose that this spin is a part of an entangled pair, does it follow then that the possibly distant spin of the other electron is rotating in correlation with the first spin?
16:52
@Amit no, why would it?
if there's no magnetic field acting on the other partner, why would its spin change?
entanglement is not magic
@ACuriousMind Well, since if you say that superposition is not destroyed I am basically asking whether the superposition of the pair (entanglement) is destroyed
@ACuriousMind it's not exceptional, other than i like to re-visit my earlier questions for re-thinking
I like to keep it like a journal
@RyderRude you can still look at the deleted question for as long as you like, just bookmark the link to it
Guess it will stay deleted then :P
@Amit no, that's not what you're asking :P
16:54
So what am I asking?
the two can stay entangled without the spin of the second partner changing
let's say you start with an entangled state $\lvert \uparrow_z\rangle \otimes \lvert \downarrow_z\rangle + \lvert \downarrow_z\rangle \otimes \lvert \uparrow_z\rangle $
Oh, yeah I see where my logic failed now. Entanglement is not necessarily always for exactly opposite measurements, facepalm :)
now you rotate the spin of the first particle, and you get e.g. $\lvert \uparrow_y\rangle \otimes \lvert \downarrow_z\rangle + \lvert \downarrow_y\rangle \otimes \lvert \uparrow_z\rangle $
this is still entangled, and nothing happened to the second particle
Yep, I get it now
Thank you
I saw this movie called "Coherence". A comet arrives and makes the alternate realities of the many-worlds QM be able to interact
So the protagonists now have to deal with tons of doubles and philosophical issues and stuff
Decisions cause splits, etc
17:02
I think the MWI is too much of an easy way out
It's at least well-defined
I would like it to be true but it's not clear whether it's refutable
Just Schrodinger equation, nothing else. No need to set boundaries between measurement devices and systems
Vaidman of the Elitzur Vaidman bomb experiment is a proponent of MWI. I found it amusing in relation to that experiment... that bombs will go off but not always in our world lol
that's how we will wage war with other dimensions
17:11
lol
The Quantum Menace
I've read a webcomic with interdimensional war
Terrible art
@RyderRude so what does the misunderstanding of the MWI add to the story?
just have dimensions colliding, it's fiction, there's no need to mangle actual physics
They played with the "Schrodinger's cat" and "Decisions causing splits" stuff
So it was somewhat close to MWI. They had 4-5 lines explaining Schrodinger's cat
my point is that the complete inability of the different branches to interfere with one another is an essential aspect of MWI
But they made a fking comet drastically influence the laws of quantum mechanics lmao
17:17
once you claim they can interact you're no longer doing QM or MWI, you've just invented completely new physics
@ACuriousMind i was hoping that they wud throw in an explanation of modified physics using Quantum Gravity
Cuz they read off the physics theory from a gravity book
But they just claimed "It was the comet" as far as I understood lol
I was hoping for smthing like "Gravity can smtimes make the branches interact"
But the comet stuff is hilarious. It's like they mixed science with superstition
If I have a Hamiltonian $\hat{H}=\sum_k \frac{k^2}{2m} \hat{c}^\dagger_k \hat{c}_k + g H_{int}$ what exactly gets renormalized? Is it just the energy dispersion relation and g without any mass renormalization?
and also with wavefunction renormalization
the first question would be why there should be renormalization at all
in QFT, you either need renormalization because you have some infinities you need to get rid of or because there's an energy scale that's changing
So the shifting of the pole of the propagator etc. has nothing to do with renormalization?
what shifting?
you mean when we do the $+\mathrm{i}\epsilon$ do compute the contour integrals?
17:28
Well the self energy corrections
not as such, no, that's just the interacting theory being different from the free one
that's not renormalization
I mean, typically you will need renormalization because the naive expressions for $\Sigma(p)$ are divergent
There is this other movie called Primer. It was written by a physicist
In that, they invent time travel using basic statistical mechanics stuff
Like, in one line, they actually brag that it's just "Statistical mechanics and Heat 101". Not quantum or relativity stuff lol
In section 3.4.6 Renormalization of the electron spectral weight
I think the connection between entropy and time is extremely overrated. Time is ultimately a dimension in fundamental physics
You can't achieve time travel using statistical mechanics lol
And then also in the LL book I was talking about yesterday
17:43
oh you're talking about the $Z_i$ factors
Also, the Hamiltonian I wrote above has $E(k)=k^2/2m$ but this is the dispersion of a free particle (I think). Shouldn't this change once we add interactions?
As in we are going to observe a dispersion relation when doing experiments in real life I imagine
which is going to be different from the free one in the Hamiltonian
I don't know
@DIRAC1930 so there are two different aspects of "renormalization" - one is to get rid of divergent quantities and the other is to take an interacting theory and express it so that you can talk about the particles in it like you're used to
The second one seems to be what I'm after
you can/have to do the latter even when there's nothing necessarily diverging; I just didn't get that was what's meant here
so what's the question? You'll "renormalize" the fields/wavefunctions by multiplying $Z_k^{1/2}$ just so that their propagator has the right numerator again
Will my coupling constant also get remormalized?
And will the equivelant of mass renormalization be just renormalizing the energy dispersion relation
17:53
what do you mean by a coupling constant "getting renormalized"?
I have no idea
then how am I supposed to answer that question :P
I'm guessing what I observe as being the coupling constant will be different to the coupling constant in the Hamiltonian I wrote above
we talked about the running coupling already
but I'm not sure you get that kind in this cond-mat setting
Does this have anything to do with the effective field theory stuff we were talking about yesterday?
18:04
The other renormalization is a choice becuz u can work with the bare quantities too. The infinity renormalization is necessary becuz the bare quantities are infinite and un-workable
i.e. we modify the Hamiltonian such that the dressed propagator is the free propagator of an effective theory with a modified dispersion relation
@DIRAC1930 okay, so what I think is happening here is that you need to re-read the assumptions of your model here:
"The main idea of the Fermi liquid theory is that, in a Fermi gas, even in the presence of interactions, the low-lying structure of excitations is the same as in the non-interacting one."
from the notes you linked
that means you're not interested in anything the interaction term does except for what it does to the propagator (which contains the "non-interacting physics", after all)
so in your version of "renormalization" you're just by assumption mapping the interacting theory back to the non-interacting one
so what happens to your coupling constant is that it becomes zero by the very specific assumptions of your model
So you're saying that the dressed particles don't scatter off each other?
that would appear to be your assumption, yes
as your source says later: "Neglecting the decay of quasiparticles is one of the key assumptions of the Fermi liquid theory."
Hmm but IIRC scattering is a big part of Fermi Liquid Theory i.e. the vertex function is mentioned as being important and is calculated in LL for example
18:14
that you're neglecting the interactions in the theory you're "renormalizing towards" doesn't mean that you can just forget about the interactions completely
of course they're part of e.g. $\Sigma(k)$
In equation (3.4.18), why does he write +regular part
Sorry the +regular part is from inserting a complete set of states into the Greens function
But that part doesn't appear in the free Greens function so how can you just assume that the dressed GF acts like the free one when they have a different form
Hmm actually, maybe it's because the Fermi liquid theory is only valid near the Fermi surface and that dressed GF has a pole near there so that term is the one that dominates
I'm not sure though
it's just how functions work? The fully summed propagator is $\frac{\mathrm{i}}{p - m_0 - \Sigma(p)}$. This has a lowest pole at some $p = m$, so its $\frac{i Z}{p - m} + \text{regular terms}$, where "regular terms" means they don't have poles at $m$
this is a fully general thing in QFT, for once :P
and the lowest pole of the propagator is more or less the definition of what the (renormalized) mass is
I thought we then define $m=m_0 - \Sigma(p)$ and therefore I will just have Z=1 all the time
how could you define that when the second term depends on the momentum?
the mass isn't supposed to be momentum-dependent!
Lol
So I have to somehow extract the part that is not dependent on momentum
Or I just find the pole
I think the interpretation is different since the propagator is $\frac{1}{\omega - E_k}$ where $E_k$ seems to be a particular energy so maybe the energy level gets renormalized instead of the mass
 
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Let $V$ be a vector space and $V'$ be its dual space. Given a subset of a vector space $S \subset V$, the annihilator of $S$, denoted $S^0$ is the set of all $y \in V'$ such that $[x, y] = 0$ for all $x \in V$. @ACuriousMind
basically the annihilator of a subset of vectors is a subset of covectors that send the subset of vectors identically to $0$
it makes me think of some kernal business :P
21:15
@SillyGoose I've used this in exercise to prove that a representation is irreducible iff its dual representation is irreducible
21:38
oh :0huh okay
i think i may skip the section for now and come back to it if i ever see it again
also in the context of electromagnetism, does "the weak field limit" just imply that the fields are linear?

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