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@Bohemianrelativist spin-orbit coupling is fundamentally just that there are relativistic terms in the Hamiltonian that involve both the spin and the ordinary angular momentum
as fqq said, this usually leads one to consider certain entangled states, but it isn't about entanglement directly
really, entanglement is almost never something we consider as a primary thing - it's just a consequence of how quantum mechanics works
 
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04:48
@Slereah the drift speed in a metal like copper is typically under a millimetre per second, so I'm not sure where your figure of 3.2 m/s comes from.
@Bohemianrelativist do you mean different atoms in a lattice interacting with each other due to their spin and/or orbital magnetic moments? If so that isn't what we usually mean by spin orbit coupling.
05:35
did the chat just go down for everyone?
for 5-10 mins?
06:34
@JohnRennie wikipedia
@antimony I was in the Math chat at the time, which is on the same chat network. It was flakey for about 10 minutes or so, then died for a few minutes.
07:04
ahh thanks @PM2Ring yup i think the whole chat networking went down
 
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09:57
please do answer this question if possible physics.stackexchange.com/questions/658655/…
john Rennie
10:21
@ArunBhardwaj you have to ping John like @JohnRennie if you want his attention (he says it's okay to do this in his profile, please don't do this for random users)
@ArunBhardwaj Hi :-)
@ArunBhardwaj You seem to have lots of answers already. I'm not sure I have much to add.
11:10
Why does the flux of a closed surface does not change by the presence of an outside charge Q? There is a field of charge Q that will disturb the field of enclosed charge q. So the net flux should change.
It turns out there are several users with the handle "Buzz". Is there a trick to make them apart (aside from reputation) or ping one rather than the other?
@ZeroTheHero "ping" where? Comments? Chat?
it should be pretty rare that more than one Buzz is pingable in any specific instance - you can only ping people in chat that have been there in the last 2 days, and you can only ping people in comments that have either commented themselves or edited/closed the post
@JohnRennie but those answers don't really answer the question
ok if u don't have much to add to this question then please answer this one if possible physics.stackexchange.com/questions/660465/…
@cOnnectOrTR12 draw the field lines from the outside charge u will see that there are as many field line entering the closed surface as outgoing and the net flux due to the field created by this charge is 0
11:30
@ACuriousMind well for instance the "Buzz" of this question physics.meta.stackexchange.com/q/13744/36194
clearly it's not Mod-Buzz...
@ZeroTheHero sure, but if you comment on that question only that Buzz will be pinged because no other Buzz interacted with that post
ok so the system "knows" which Buzz ...
if you're concerned about this with Buzz, how do you think all the 'rob's feel :P
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:D
+1 to that.
well I just learn my (qu)bit of information for today...
@ArunBhardwaj but that field lines of outside charge will get bent by the presence of inside charge’s field. How can it pass?
11:36
@cOnnectOrTR12 no fields "get bent" - electrostatics runs on the superposition principle: The total field of two charges is just the superposition of the individual fields of the charges, there are no additional effects
the field lines of the total field don't "look" as if it's just the individual fields superposed, but that's a problem with thinking in terms of field lines, not with the physics
What about this bending?
Here the field lines get bent. How will it pass through the surface
@ACuriousMind ?
@JohnRennie
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12:05
@cOnnectOrTR12 that is exactly what I meant - these lines are already the lines for the total field
28 mins ago, by ACuriousMind
the field lines of the total field don't "look" as if it's just the individual fields superposed, but that's a problem with thinking in terms of field lines, not with the physics
The field lines of the total field don't "look" as if it's just the individual fields superposed”
Can you elaborate
well, you seem to be convinced that the presence of one charge "bends" the field of the other charge
but that's not how electromagnetism works - if you state it in terms of the actual fields, not the field lines, then the total field is just the sum of the two individual fields
the field of the first charge is still fully there, it's just simultaneously there with the field of the second charge - and now if you draw the field lines for the total field, they look "bent"
but for your question about the flux it's a red herring to look at the lines of this total field - since the actual field is the sum of the individual fields, the total flux is also the sum of the individual fluxes
and since the flux of a single charge through any surface it is outside of is zero, it doesn't matter how many other charges you add to this situation
12:25
this is the resultant field lines.
I can draw it by finding the net field vector at every point which will be the
Vector sum of individual forces.
And I will get this bent shape of resultant field
*fields
13:26
if you superpose two fields, the resultant field lines will be the field lines of the sum of the two vector fields
I don't know if one would consider that those are "The sum of the two field lines"
I don't think lines make a nice vector space
they're not gonna look like the field line superposed for a start certainly
If you superpose a vector field going in the $x$ direction and one in the $y$ direction, the result will be diagonal field lines, not a grid
great overview of a lot of holographic phenomena, tons of references
where is the outflow pipe though
 
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14:35
Isn't it correct to say that a Potential energy is stored only when External force is applied against a conservative force?
So if I superpose two fields the only field that’s left is the resultant field in the new direction
Also in a spring, when I am pulling/pushing it, I am doing positive work all the time (as the direction of the force is the same as displacement) and the spring is doing negative work all the time (before being let go), right? So is my work stored as PE or the work done by Spring?
@cOnnectOrTR12 yes i believe
When I talk about the superposition of two forces then do the two forces vanish and a resultant is left. Like if a force is applied in horizontal direction to a body and a force making theta angle then will the two forces vanish and the only left force will be resultant
Whose direction will be between the directions of the two forces
what do you mean by "vanish"?
you can think about the situation either in terms of the individual forces or in terms of the resultant force - it's just different viewpoints
The superposition of two forces is just basic vector calculus
14:50
you can even arbitrarily decompose any vector (field) into two or more different vector (fields) it's the sum of and think about it as the superposition of these components, regardless of whether there's a "physical" meaning to the components or not
Vanish means disappear as now there is one force, the resultant along which the body moves
> "The nightmare is that AdS/CFT only works for very special ”large N” theories that have no relation of any kind to physical reality"
Vanish in the sense that now the movement of the body is in resultants direction
Ignore the previous statement!
It’s misleading
In the same way two fields vanish in the sense that now the movement of test charge is in the direction of resultant field.
The two fields are still there but we can never see it’s individual effects because now the fields are superposed
15:39
@JohnRennie can you verify
I'm not really sure what you mean
The field of the first charge is still fully there, it's just simultaneously there with the field of the second charge - and now if you draw the field lines for the total field, they look "bent"
you said this previously.
yes - I'm clumsily trying to express in natural language the fact that $E_\text{tot} = E_1 + E_2$
so when you wonder "what is the total flux through this surface", the answer is "it's the sum of the flux you'd get if you consider the first and second field separately"
How is the second field there with first field
I guess in superposed state
Ok?
15:58
I think you're trying to read more meaning into what I said than what I meant :P
Hmm 🤨
Let me explain. Both fields are present simultaneously and they get superposed.
How do we know? We find that the new field vector is the sum of individual fields
This is the field of lines of the new field encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/…
Are there any sources on how to choose coordinates in GR? I haven't been able to find much information about this
For example, usually we choose 1 timelike and 3 spacelike coordinates
But apparently we can also choose two lightlike and two spacelike coordinates, or even four lightlike coordinates
Are there any references on what types of coordinates can be chosen?
you can choose any coordinates you want
I'm not sure what you're looking for
@ACuriousMind Really? I'm quite sure you can't choose, say, 2 timelike coordinates as that would require a different metric signature
oh, you mean what sort of combinations of time/space/lightlike are possible
16:11
@ACuriousMind Yep
@ACuriousMind please reply
@VincentThacker I'm not sure there even are any restrictions - consider that in 2d Minkowski, any two straight non-parallel lines define a coordinate system
you can easily choose two timelike lines for that
@cOnnectOrTR12 to what? You've just repeated the same thing you've already said several times, I have nothing more to say about that
so when you wonder "what is the total flux through this surface", the answer is "it's the sum of the flux you'd get if you consider the first and second field separately"
you said this!
I'm well aware of that
@ACuriousMind Hmm, I think I see what you mean, thanks
16:21
You are saying if in the presence of an external charge we need to find the net flux we need to take flux from each of the fields of the separate charges separately. Flux from outside charge’s field and then flux from inside changes field
I'm not saying you need to do that
I'm just saying it's an easier way to think about the situation
What will be the normal way
it's easier than thinking about field lines being "bent"
That is what I was going through past 2 days.
I cannot think to find flux of the bent field
@cOnnectOrTR12 What you are saying is physically equivalent to finding the fields separately
16:26
but if my superposition argument is really so difficult for you, here's an alternative way to argue charges outside a closed surface don't affect the flux: only field lines that end inside the surface can contribute to flux because all other lines just enter the surface at one point and leave it at another, contributing a total of zero to the flux
Because the field of a static charge distribution is given by Coulomb's law, and in integral form it is defined to be superposition
for a charge outside the surface, all lines that start/end at it therefore cannot contribute to the flux, no matter how they are "bent"
so charges outside are irrelevant
If I think of individual charges at a time then the field of outside charge contribute to zero flux. Field lines enter and leave . As you said. Only field that contributes to flux is inside charge. This is definitely easy.
But how do we estimate net flux if I consider resultant field. Is it possible to imagine that?
Is it possible to think with a bent field. I know the flux is still same. But how do you find this way?
why does the "bent" matter for the fact that lines that enter the surface from outside have to leave it again?
But how can the lines leave if we take the resultant field. It only leaves when we consider one field at a time.
16:40
that's simply not true
can you draw the surface you are considering in the diagram you keep posting, and explain what problem you have exactly?
Just imagine a spherical surface around right charge.
The field of lines in the diagram is of resultant field. Now how do you explain field lines from outside charge enter and leave the surface and lines from inside charge only leave the surface.
you'll have to explain why you think it doesn't work that way in this case
it seems very obvious to me from the diagram that the lines from the charge outside either don't cross the surface at all or enter and then leave it again
You can see in the diagram field lines emerging from outside charge and getting deflected. I don’t see them entering and leaving.
16:56
so these don't enter the surface at all and therefore also don't contribute to flux through it - what's the problem with that?
Hmm. And what you are saying is if it is large sphere then some lines in the middle get deflected and putter cross through. Right?
Thanks @ACuriousMind
 
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21:34
I was looking at a short video of quanta magazine and in a part the professor mentions a Power law for some hypothetical DM annihilation that looks like P~<σᵥ>ρ²/m, I was wondering if that law maybe has a more known name I can google up or look for in wikipedia, it feels like it could be a law commonly known under some other context.
at 2m46s but is linked at that time anyway

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