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5:00 PM
@Azmuth link?
 
@JohnDuffield well this looks way out of my possibility ahahaha
 
@Ratman Born-Infeld theory is one of my special interests.
 
but I have never looked into his work, but there could be some great papers
 
I tried once reading Born-Infield Theory without any success...
 
5:10 PM
@Azmuth OK. But there was nothing that I can find funny. All that I saw were some random advice.
 
@Ratman: I have to go I'm afraid. I started watching Schuller's first lecture, but it's slow going. I find I don't like watching videos I'm afraid, they're too slow. I can read much faster than a guy can lecture.
 
well it is way basic for you i think
 
@Azmuth: see Born and Infeld’s 1935 paper on the quantization of the new field theory II. On page 12 they said this: “the inner angular momentum plays evidently a similar role to the spin in the usual theory of the electron. But it has some great advantages: it is an integral of the motion and has a real physical meaning as a property of the electromagnetic field, whereas the spin is defined as an angular momentum of an extensionless point, a rather mystical assumption”.
 
it is a not rigouros introduction to GR
I guess it could be used even by first/second year students
 
That quote is a favorite among the 'alternative physics' community
 
5:13 PM
OK, the wife is standing over me, I gotta go!
 
bye @JohnDuffield
 
@JohnDuffield do you have any articles discussing the meaning of that paper
 
@KenzoTenma Did I say it was funny?
@JohnDuffield Wow! That's great :)
@JohnDuffield Thanks for the links tho, I've saved them for future ref. also that second one was helpful :)
@JohnDuffield Bye :)
@MoreAnonymous Hey there :) How are you doing?
 
@Azmuth Hey Im good :)
How about you?
 
5:30 PM
@MoreAnonymous Great :)
Are you still doing QM or something else now?
 
Im trying to still figure out QFT
Think Ive been making some progress
 
@MoreAnonymous did you check that paper which we got yesterday by @peterh-ReinstateMonica ? Those were excellent.
 
Ah yes I saw it but didnt read too much of it
I'm reading Ashok Sens lecture notes atm
 
@MoreAnonymous How;s it?
reviews?
 
Well they arent complete but I like them ... But I've also experienced QFT before so I'm not sure if Im a good reference point
 
5:33 PM
@Azmuth What makes it "excellent"? How is it better than any of the myriads of other introductions to QFT?
 
@ACuriousMind Straightforward and from basics!
 
@Azmuth Have you tried Tongs?
His lecture notes are quite recommended
 
@Azmuth Most of the notes and books usually recommended for beginners start at a similar level.
 
@MoreAnonymous David Tongs? yes @bolbteppa recommended those to me, I love them :)
@ACuriousMind I've some QFT books, those nowhere start from that level :\
 
@ACuriousMind I'm not so good at group theory any recommendation for a QFT group theory book?
@Azmuth Did you also dislike Peskin?
 
5:36 PM
@MoreAnonymous If you actually want to understand it, learn it from the mathematicians instead :P
 
@MoreAnonymous I've not tried Peskin yet.. so can't say...
 
@ACuriousMind I'm doing the same for my differential geometry
 
I've no idea about Group Theory... although, I've books on them, I usually start from very first page, then skip rest of the book!
 
I find most of the presentation of group theory by physicists unnecessarily rushed and unnecessarily focused on special cases
 
So far Im really enjoying

Visual Introduction to Differential Forms and-Calculus on Manifolds by Springer~
 
5:38 PM
Also, note that what physicists call "group theory" is really often the representation theory of Lie groups
 
@ACuriousMind Hmmm ... Any math book you'd recommend that even a physicist could understand?
 
WOW!
 
@ACuriousMind I've heard that critique before
 
@MoreAnonymous Fulton/Harris is supposed to be quite good
 
Thanks
One day I'll go through all these books and hopefully be half as knowledgeable as you
 
5:41 PM
I haven't read it but I think the lecture I attended on this sort of group theory roughly followed it
 
@MoreAnonymous Oh that's impossible! To become half of knowledgeable than him, you would have to cover whole of Physics, didn't I say that he's a professional programmer too! :P
 
@Azmuth I'm a data scientist
:P
 
@MoreAnonymous I'm an AI Product Designer then :P
 
Oh, there's plenty of physics I don't know. Just don't ask me any questions about condensed matter
or anything ::shudder:: "applied", really :P
 
@ACuriousMind The question I asked today was kind of condensed matter right? Where we suddenly turn on a potential in a second quantized field
Just saying I think I've edited it much better now
(or so I hope)
@Azmuth No seriously I work at zomato
I'm quite tempted to share my linkden profile
 
5:45 PM
@MoreAnonymous I work in my friends' startup, Voice synth stuff :)
 
@Azmuth Music?
Please tell me you compose as well?
 
@MoreAnonymous Everything, noise filtering, Anti-cancellation mech, voice cloning, composition, Accent Transportation :)
 
@Azmuth Good stuff! :)
 
@MoreAnonymous No, I don't need to compose Music Theory for AI to do! Although, I know a bit of Music Theory and Electronic music :)
 
Mind sharing a composition?
Here's one of mine
 
5:48 PM
Never made whole composition, most of mine are personal mixes using LMMS..
 
Ah ... okay
 
@MoreAnonymous Anant Saxena?
 
@Azmuth Good guess
 
lol.. :-)
I'm pretty sure @ACuriousMind like such kinda hard rock sounds :P
 
Yea I'm curious what kind of music are you into @ACuriousMind ?
 
5:50 PM
@Azmuth I see you still have no idea what hard rock sounds like :P
 
@ACuriousMind Haha ... How heavy do you go?
 
@ACuriousMind hahaha! My bad :-)
very heavy!
 
@MoreAnonymous Mostly all sorts of metal and prog rock
 
@MoreAnonymous That's good :)
 
5:52 PM
Thanks ,.. theres a lot more where that came from
 
@MoreAnonymous It's my kinda of music!
Electronic + Pop!
 
I'm sorry this is how its done :P
Anyone into classical stuff in the chatroom?
Just curious
 
@MoreAnonymous That's lit :-)
 
@MoreAnonymous You know, a week back, I discovered Hans Zimmer, till then, I became a big fan of his! :
@ACuriousMind That's my research area! XD :P
 
5:56 PM
@Azmuth ...I thought you just said you worked for a voice synth startup?
 
@ACuriousMind This is isnt that hard reminds of this
 
@ACuriousMind Yes, but when I'm not working, I usually search for good Astronomy stuff and Metal too :P That's pro research! XD
 
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BuraianIs it possible that this question about teaching torque is cross posted to the science educators stack exchange? As a question I think it's great just not fit for this particular site. The question

 
That's Hans Zimmer Composition, y'all will fall in love with it!
@MoreAnonymous You are watching IPL or so?
 
@MoreAnonymous eh, Lacuna Coil aren't that similar, they just both have clear female vocals :P
I could've posted some classic viking stuff like youtube.com/watch?v=JFYVcz7h3o0 but that'd be boring :P
 
6:10 PM
@Azmuth Im among the few indians who does not like cricket
@ACuriousMind True
@ACuriousMind try this
 
I honestly do not get the appeal of cricket at all :p
we had to play it in school, it was torturously boring
 
@MoreAnonymous not bad, not bad!
 
6:27 PM
@ACuriousMind Well, I'm watching some PCA videos (after building up some really basic linear algebra knowledge) and in there they fit a line on a 2D graph then rotate the line so to maximize the variance of the points projected on that line (or reducing the mean squared error will give the same result). Then that fitted line, PC1, has the most significance. But I don't understand what exactly is captured when the "points" are projected on the line.
 
@JingleBells I'm not sure what you mean by "captured". Mathematically, the projection is just taking the dot product of the point vector with the unit vector in the direction of the line
 
@ACuriousMind I'm not sure either. I guess I have to research it more. Maybe some linear transformation happens in the direction of the fitted line and then we transform the points as well and we just record their x1 and that's PC1.
 
well, one of the uses of PCA is that you can use the axes you get from it as a basis and then projecting onto the "most important" parts of your data is just projecting onto the first few components
 
@ACuriousMind Is there a topic in this world that you don't know about :P
 
Many. I don't know anything about sports :P
 
6:41 PM
When did you learn statistics?
 
never properly, but enough to do the data evaluation required for our compulsory labs, and two good friends of mine are statisticians
 
uh small question, states in the hydrogen atom with the same $l$ value are invariant subspaces of the $\hat L^2$ operator and the $\hat L_z$ operator, but not the $\hat L_x$ and $\hat L_y$ operators right? My lecture notes imply they are invariant subspaces of all three angular momentum operators.
they're not even eigenstates of $\hat L_{x/y}$
 
@Charlie a state is not a subspace
 
oh I mean "the eigenspace of states with the same $l$ value"
 
then your lecture notes are correct
 
6:48 PM
If I have the height of many humans and I plotted that data as a histogram (that captures the distribution), then the variance will be a number that tells us on average by how much each entry differs from the mean, right? How is that a measurement of spread? (by spreadness I understand 0 to 1 is less spread than 0 to 100)
 
@JingleBells for many nice distributions the variance corresponds nicely to what we'd intuitively call the "width" of the distribution
(see e.g. a Gaußian distribution)
And if you have a uniform distribution over 0-1 then your variance will be 1/12, but if you have a uniform distribution over 0-100 then your variance will be 10000/12, so it works there, too
 
Hmm, so high variance will mean higher "width" of the data? I guess it makes sense because a higher "width" will correspond to a larger sum of differences of the squares, right?
What does the square root in standard deviation do? I mean, if variance already measures spreadness, why introduce std?
 
7:06 PM
I don't have any good reason except that it's sometimes the "nicer" quantity to work with, e.g. as it appears in the formula for a Gaußian distribution.
 
Alright then. Also, I get that PCA reduces dimensionality but in the end, we have a bunch of features PC1, PC2, PC3 that we don't know how they relate to our initial labeled features (height, head size, weight...). The only thing I can think of is to plug them into a neural network and predict something, but in any other case, how are those principal components useful when we don't know what they actually mean?
 
It isn't always useful! :P
 
So why is it so famous then? :D
I guess very few people actually use PCA and it's glorified for some unknown reason :P
 
because it's one of the ways to deal with high-dimensional data, I guess? You don't necessarily need to use a neural net to build a predictive model on the largest components, and you might get lucky that they're mostly combinations of a few of the input variables
and I'm not sure it's "so famous" - you're just stumbling onto it because you're looking at ML stuff, right?
 
@ACuriousMind yes :P
I've heard that the most widely used dim reduction technique is PCA
Well, I'm glad I learned about it. I guess it has its applications here and there but I've never stumbled upon a problem where it'll be really needed.
SVD seems much more useful as it literally finds patterns and "concepts" in your data.
Time to move to the "Probability and Information Theory" part of my deep learning book. I spent the last week exploring linear algebra and I think I have the core concepts down. I can't wait to see how I get to use linear algebra in ML.
@ACuriousMind What's ur favorite movie?
 
7:36 PM
I'm not sure I have one
 
Mmm, okay
I'm learning to play boogie woogie on the piano and I'm relatively good, yay me
 
not that there aren't movies I liked, but I don't really have a specific one that comes to mind when you ask that
 
Got it, me neither. But I have a few names that pop up
 
7:49 PM
what are yours @JingleBells
?
 
@Ratman I like Interstellar, Inception, Iron Man 3, Avengers Endgame... sci-fi stuff
Predestination was cool
Lucy...
I've watched many many MANY movies and I can't remember all of them :D
 
Me too, I used to watch many
I really liked interstellar and inception, with Nolan you can't go wrong
 
I hope I've learned things from movies and it has not been a waste of time. ;P
 
8:07 PM
I think even movies can be an important factor in the culture of a person, besides the fact that not everything must be done for learing something. If it makes you emotional is time well spent
anyway, i've got to go. Bye!
 
I disagree with the last sentence :P
Bye! :)
 
TIL the age difference between the oldest and youngest Nobel prize laureates is 97 - 17 = 80 years!
 
I guess movies gave me a place to escape to during my introverted puberty years. I still watch movies, but I try to limit myself as much as I can.
 
Have you seen The Raging Bull?
 
nop, i like modern movies (and I mainly watch)
 
8:14 PM
Yeah, they purposely did it in black and white
 
I need to stop my movie addiction :\
I mean, not that I'm addicted
but I watch 2 movies a week
 
that's...far from excessive :P
 
Yes, my bad. But there were times where I've watched a movie a day for weeks (sometimes 2 movies a day)
 
Did you see The Man Who Knew Infinity?
 
Now I watch about 2 movies a week (sometimes 3) and it's not bad, but it's a bad habit.
@skullpatrol nop :D not planning to watch it, just not my type.
 
8:18 PM
@JingleBells That's still just about 2-3 hours per day, which I wouldn't find concerning for a leisure activity you enjoy
 
@ACuriousMind That's good to hear.
 
then again, maybe you shouldn't take advice from someone who spends most of his spare time playing video games :P
 
I guess I don't have a movie addiction, and I've never had one. I've watched a lot of movies, and that has built me as a person and has introduced me to new concepts and ideas.
 
that's a good thing
 
It's late and I'm getting unnecessarily emotional about things. I'mma go
 
8:23 PM
cya
what's the longest continuous stretch you've played video games for?
 
dunno, probably 20 hours or so from a LAN party back in the days when that was a thing :P
 
wow, now that's stamina
 
8:42 PM
 
everyone knows pirates were cool :P
3
 
ah is that why the graph goes that way?
I always thought pirates were hot but you must be right.
 
sure, reduce the number of pirates, reduce the amount of coolness
it's basic science
 
There are far more pirates today than 17. It is a well-going... "industry". For example, at the Eastern coast of Africa.
 
well maybe it should be "famous or semi-famous pirates" then. like Jack Sparrow or the Dreaded Pirate Roberts
 
8:51 PM
Why don't they count Internet pirates?
 
try explaining this one.
engineering pizza parties?
 
the manufacture of the brine needed for mozzarella production needs infrastructure to transport all the water and salt for it. More civil engineers, more infrastructure, more brine, more cheese.
 
but PhD level civil engineers?
 
hm, maybe it's the other way around and the cheese makes the engineers smarter
 
Stop torturing the data :P
 
8:59 PM
well... one last one just for fun:
and the link for even more fun: tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
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ding ding ding...third time that site was linked here this year, apparently the chat population really likes it
 
yeah I just found it. nicely illustrates that correlation does not imply causation (or at least I hope not).
 
it's pretty neat, yeah
 
 
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10:21 PM
@ZeroTheHero how does one go about proving causation then?
and if correlation is so useless, why bother calculating it at all? Like why do so many research papers use it
 
That's not the point he's making
he did not say correlation is useless
the point is that causation does not immediately follow from correlation
 
10:40 PM
some people would argue that "proving" causation is not meaningful
 
Physics largely gets by without the notion of "causation", even if we often talk in terms of cause and effect, it's highly non-trivial to actually nail down what we actually mean by it (see e.g. Norton's dome and Norton's paper Causation as folk science)
 
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