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Ah yeah I guess that makes the most sense thanks, just wanted to make sure there wasn't some special notation I was unaware of, ty
00:22
There could be in other fields, but that's along the lines of what we do in fluids and numerical methods
 
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02:04
is this some weird notation i haven't heard of?
this is part of mac's spotlight
 
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03:53
@CaptainBohemian with solitons it seems to be useful to think of the fluid as having (wave) amplifying vs frictional effects ie "nonlinear effects vs dispersion". so to speak in the linear case there are neither... so what sparks your interest?
 
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05:37
@vzn It's the solutions of Sinus-Gordon equation include solitons. I don't know very much about optics. But when I read from Wikipedia about solitons, I found the cause of solitons and the applications thereof, like what you mentioned above, seem interesting.
06:18
@JMac AI is not harmful Please don't see Terminator...
06:28
@AbhasKumarSinha kya bhai!
kuch ni
@YuvrajSingh... What's up?
@AbhasKumarSinha good wbu?
07:19
what y'all think?
@ACuriousMind Ncatlab probably wouldn't be so bad if they didn't insist on using only category theory
Maybe $\mathbb{R}$ doesn't need to be a topos!
@Loong duly noted, my friend :-)
:-)
@Slereah Heresy!
07:28
Maybe we can have topologies without a sheaf!
Mar 18 '16 at 14:28, by ACuriousMind
I never thought of myself as a medieval theocrat. Now I have an odd desire to go burn a witch.
07:43
Theorem 2.1. If the axiom of choice holds, then every category CC has a skeleton (in the strongest sense).
Aaaah
I am spooked
by skeletons?
@Slereah why the sudden interest in Category Theory. Are you thinking that after studying Category Theory catching covid won't seem so bad?
Worst Halloween costume: The n-skeleton of a simplicial/CW space.
08:00
@JohnRennie I'm pretty sure if I can read category theory, I will become a wizard
08:30
this room is full of "wizards"
dsm
dsm
does anyone do option trading?
I just get money the old fashioned way
Bank robbing
dsm
dsm
haha well, good time for you then with all the masks
check these out, it's kind of fascinating
08:46
In the single-site Hubbard model, at finite temperature, at half filling (meaning particle-hole symmetry) I can make a particle-propagator <c(t2)c^dagger(t1)> where t1 and t2 are imaginary time. For beta(inverse temperature) = 10 it looks like this:
I have no clue how to interpret it. Someone suggested thinking of tau as an extra spatial dimension with periodic boundary conditions, but I don't really understand it yet. I get even more confused when I plot it for a system away from half-filling
09:01
Is there anybody who is the member of research gate?
This type of propagator is usually called the "Matsubara propagator"
@ACuriousMind Yes, that is actually the question i referred to when "someone suggested...". I think knowing the name for it will make it easier to search google for a bit. Thanks!
 
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10:47
@SirCumference Maybe p-adic numbers? See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-adic_number Note that if you evaluate 3..3 by abusing the standard formula for the sum of a geometric progression you get 3/(1 - 10) = -1/3
11:00
I just saw space.stackexchange.com/q/43587 on the HNQ. It suggests mixing liquid oxygen with RP-1 (rocket grade kerosene) as a monopropellant. My first thought was "that's crazy", and the answerers there agree with that assessment. But on second thoughts, maybe it's not so explosive after all, since the kero is so cold.
Even at room temperature, liquid kero isn't explosive, so solid kero ought to be fairly safe. OTOH, LOX does have a high oxygen density. Would the frozen RP-1 separate out, or would it dissolve in the LOX?
 
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12:03
There's a small population of cats, let's say 30, and 10 of them are with red fur, another 10 are with green fur and the rest 10 of them are with blue fur. Let's say that there's a wind and the wind kills 6 red cats, 2 blue cats and 1 green cat. That's genetic drift, right? Where now the chances of future cats having red fur has dropped significantly. It's not that the red cats had bad reproductionary features, it's just bad luck. Is my understanding of genetic drift right?
I'm not sure that counts as genetic drift, since you're describing a singular extinction event that causes the imbalance.
Okay, what would be genetic drift? Many events that cause imbalance?
Genetic drift occurs due to small statistical fluctuations over generations, not due to external events
What are those fluctuations?
If you have three alleles distributed evenly 1:1:1 in a population and none of the versions confers a fitness advantage, it is still not the case that the next generation will have exactly 1:1:1 distribution (e.g. maybe a red cat was unlucky and just didn't find a mate, and another red cat was killed before it could reproduce, but a blue cat had luck and had twice as many children)
Sure, you could think of this as each of the individual "events" (cat dies, cat doesn't find a mate, etc.) causing this, but it's more like this is the "background noise" of evolution
So then maybe the next generation has a 1.1:1:0.9 distribution. But - given equal chances at reproduction - it's now it's more probable for the 1.1 allele to reproduce than the 0.9 allele, so the next generation probably has something like 1.2:1:0.8, and so on - it's a self-reinforcing effect. Wikipedia has a nice analogy with marbles in a jar.
12:18
Got it. Thanks! But wouldl that mean if it's 1.2:1:0.8, the chances of returning to the original 1:1:1 get lower and lower?
yes, that's exactly the drift - you start drifting in one direction, and then it continues every generation unless an (unlikely) fluctuation in the other direction happens
@ACuriousMind Thanks for the explanation :--)
12:34
The interesting thing here is that the "strength" (e.g. mean time until an allele is lost) of the drift is highly dependent on the population size. That means that external events that reduce overall population size drastically cause a lot of drift in the following generations, even if the event itself didn't shift the allele distribution at all
So - in a neat example of "correlation is not causation" - if you look at a population before such an event and then only some generations after it, you can't really tell whether shifts in the population are due to some allele conferring an advantage in surviving the event or due to the ensuing drift.
It's interesting how the idea of "survival of the fittest" is a really rough approximation of what actually happens. It's more like "survival of the not unfit, with a healthy dose of randomness influencing everything else".
A cute example involving a 1D random walk is the puzzle of the bride entering the church.
@ACuriousMind Yeah. The law of large numbers doesn't work so well when the numbers aren't, in fact, large. ;)
13:03
When going from (9.11) to (9.12) does anybody know the justification for integrating the partial derivative and ignoring any $g(t)$ that might be added?
13:15
SE urgently needs Dark Mode for chat rooms and all their sites!! Star this message if you agree.
13:29
@Archer dark mode?
@YuvrajSingh... dark theme
See SO.
That I know, I mean why?
@Archer
@YuvrajSingh... Seriously?
Yes!
@Archer
@PM2Ring you have not shared the video sir!
Ama changing my Username
13:45
@YuvrajSingh... For obvious reasons man
Glare etc
Do you use light mode on any of your mobile apps?
guess who's back
Dark Mode is way more comfy
?
back again
yo yo
@Archer TBH I'm used to light mode on a lot of things because it's often a default. The only time I usually change is when the program makes it really obvious that you can switch and basically prompts you to choose a theme.
check mah profile... I've removed all garbage there
@YuvrajSingh... yo bhai
14:20
@JMac And then there are the things that offer you a theme but don't apply it consistently - e.g. Outlook offers you a dark theme but the email text stays black-on-white!
@ACuriousMind That explains why I remember playing around with Outlook themes but I'm still using the default now.
Even Windows dark theme is dark background - white text. So which colour do you prefer regarding the text - grey or something else?
no, I want white (or light grey) on black. The problem in Outlook is that the reading pane where the email text is displayed always has black text on white background no matter what theme you choose
I see. I didn't know that as I don't use Outlook. Then you might have a hard time reading such text. Isn't that a bug?
IIRC on the blog post announcing the dark theme on SO, some had requested grey text instead of white due to some reasons and that's why I asked whether are there any with the same views here.
 
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15:41
I must be one of the few people who likes black text on white background. On every computer I use one of the first things I do is change the console to use black text on a white background.
I rooted my android just to get dark theme in that old piece of tin.
Do you use a white pen and black paper?
rooted and installed custom rom
Actually I guess you theoretical chappies do use white chalk on a blackboard.
15:52
I would if I could
my childhood had me chalk on slates
yupp exactly
from pre to 1 class then pencil to 5th.
ink pen from 6th to 8th and afterwards ball pen.
@JohnRennie hi:-)
@YuvrajSingh... hi :-)
I was looking theories which proves GR! Do you think some more cases where GR stand outstandingly
I know about mercury orbit and other
@JohnRennie
There's a Wikipedia article that lists various experimental tests of GR. Let me have a quick look for it ...
Tests of general relativity serve to establish observational evidence for the theory of general relativity. The first three tests, proposed by Albert Einstein in 1915, concerned the "anomalous" precession of the perihelion of Mercury, the bending of light in gravitational fields, and the gravitational redshift. The precession of Mercury was already known; experiments showing light bending in accordance with the predictions of general relativity were performed in 1919, with increasingly precise measurements made in subsequent tests; and scientists claimed to have measured the gravitational redshift...
16:08
@JohnRennie sir I have read that article
My favourite is the one where they observed a star orbiting close to the supermassive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way and directly observed the perturbations in its orbit.
@JohnRennie I also like dark text on a light background. Pure white background is a bit too bright, so my Linux console uses a yellowish shade. I have used black backgrounds, but I change them to light if I have that option.
That is a truly awesome bit of astronomy! :-)
@PM2Ring the latest Windows 10 (v 1909) uses a very light grey background rather than pure white.
Although I always change it to pure white.
I just keep the screen brightness low.
@YuvrajSingh... Maybe tomorrow. I'm getting close to the end of my monthly data allowance, so I need to be careful, and not spend too much time on YouTube.
@JohnRennie I am looking for some which are under consideration
@PM2Ring ah! No issue sir.
16:14
I think it's all those years of glowing green letters on a black background in the days of mainframes and MS-DOS. When I saw my first Apple Mac with black text on a white background it instantly struck me as the future - no, THE FUTURE.
:grumble: I wrote a Physics answer a couple of hours ago. It got accepted and upvoted, and a "thanks" comment. But now the accept & upvote are gone.
And now it seems the young of today want to go back to the bad old days. There is no accounting for taste I suppose.
@JohnRennie yes?
@YuvrajSingh... that's a good question, and I'm not sure what physicists would regard as the next big test of GR.
Probably being able to observe Hawking radiation, though that's a long way off.
The 1st Amigas used white text on a blue background, with black & orange for extra stuff as the default main colour scheme. It was rather garish. The next generation used black text on grey, with white & some other colour, maybe a more subdued blue. But fortunately it wasn't hard to choose your own colours.
16:19
@YuvrajSingh... I guess there are still doubts about whether dark matter and dark energy really exist or whether they only appear to exist because GR is wrong. If we could prove dark matter and dark energy exist that would be a big step forward.
@JohnRennie I don't think anyone still thinks about it in terms of "the next test of GR"
@ACuriousMind????
Are you gone crazy?
It's like asking for the "next test of quantum mechanics" - the theory has been so overwhelmingly successful that we don't really perform "tests" of it anymore.
@JohnRennie A very long way off, unless we figure out how to make micro BHs, or find some primordial ones. The luminosity of stellar mass BHs is pretty tiny, I think it'd be hard to detect even if you were very close.
@ACuriousMind Well the dark matter/dark energy thing is a bit embarrassing.
16:21
You've got a few people excited about "Bell experiments now with 15% less loopholes" but most aren't really thinking about QM as a theory that would need to be tested more.
We do kind of say "GR is right therefore dark matter/energy must exist"
@JohnRennie Sure, but we also say "QFT is right, therefore the blips in our detectors correspond to the following particle interactions"
It would be nice to be able to say "this is the experimentally measured density of dark matter/energy and look it fits with GR"
A very large fraction of experiments assumes that the general theoretical framework is correct and just tests a specific model (e.g. the Standard Model in QFT, or the FLRW universe in GR)
@ACuriousMind yes but there are numerous internal consistency tests and checks with data analysis from scattering expts e.g. it has to get the known particle masses right.
16:24
@JohnRennie We cannot prove that something does not exist, only that something does exist. Unless we find evidence which invalidates dark matter, it may just be a case of not having enough sensitivity on our instruments to detect dark matter.
@JohnRennie Indeed, but I find this state of affairs no more or less "embarrasing" that saying that, assuming GR is right, our measurements indicate the existence of dark matter/energy
Indeed, for truly "dark" particles that do not interact other than gravitationally at all, there wouldn't even be any possible measurement you could do to see them except these
Yes, I agree, but it would be nice if dark matter particles were directly observed at one of the many expts that are looking for them. Their stubborn refusal to appear is getting a bit embarrassing.
@JohnRennie My favourite one is the one where they detect the collision of two objects that they haven't yet proven to exist ;)
@JohnRennie what about Lovelock theorem?
@JohnRennie To be honest I've never understood why people think we can find them "directly" at all
16:29
@ACuriousMind Well... Tests of e.g. gravitational decoherence of single photon states are potentially doable in the near future :)
@YuvrajSingh... there are ways round that e.g. f(R) gravity
Everyone seems to be assuming that this particle should interact other than gravitationally but I've never heard a really good explanation for why other than that it would be "ugly" to have such a decoupled particle species added to the SM
@YuvrajSingh... What ACM just said. Some experiments are testing for DM that takes part in the weak interaction, as well as being affected by gravity. Now it's not easy to detect particles that feel the weak interaction: even our best neutrino detectors are huge, and they only detect like 1 per billion of the energetic neutrinos that enter them. We can't detect low energy neutrinos yet.
@Mithrandir24601 See, I don't even know what that is ;P
16:32
It's like... quantum physics is perfect... Except for the bits where it's blatantly and annoying wrong :P
@PM2Ring ah!
But
@ACuriousMind Essentially, until 20 years ago, people doing quantum physics forgot that reference frames are a thing in relativity. They plugged some reference frames into QM and discovered that if you don't have a reference for something, when you go and make a measurement of the observable conjugate to what you don't have a reference for, it appears like the state has decohered
I suppose it would be nice if we could directly detect DM particles, but it's not like there are a lot of them in our neighborhood. According to XKCD, the total mass of DM in the Earth is roughly equivalent to a squirrel. I'd be much more excited by detection of the cosmic neutrino background, especially if we could map it with the resolution & precision with which we can map the CMB.
@JohnRennie @ACuriousMind @PM2Ring
@Mithrandir24601 I can assure you that relativistic QFT is older than 20 years...
16:36
Sorry to all
@ACuriousMind Sure, but I'm talking about plain ol' regular QM
Regarding my stupid argument, I am not a physicist so I do not know at what level the argument's are correct!
@ACuriousMind Well, if DM only couples to gravity then it has no way to shed momentum and condense. Which makes it less structured (and more boring) than if it has some kind of friction in its interactions.
@Mithrandir24601 I have no idea what "plugging reference frames" into regular QM is even supposed to mean...is there some standard intro reference for this?
@ACuriousMind Yeah, I'm just looking for it now...
16:38
@PM2Ring Maybe it couples to "dark electromagnetism", a second copy of a U(1) gauge theory that only interacts with that particle species :P
@YuvrajSingh... You know, you can just write a longer message instead of pinging people and making them wait for what you write next.
@ACuriousMind lol! I have this bad habit, even in my other chat's I message like that.
@YuvrajSingh... I don't think you said anything that was stupid. In fact your comments have kicked off a vigorous discussion! :-)
@ACuriousMind Like the dark light in Pratchett's The Truth. :)
Kind of, but you really can't see it
@JohnRennie but dark energy Vs gr is a good question I feel?
16:42
What's the name of that antipodean swivel eyed loon who thinks black holes don't exist? It's slipped my mind. Crosker? Crockett? Something like that?
@JohnRennie Stephen hawking?
I recognize all authors of this paper...not a bad sign
@JohnRennie But they don't exist ;) They take an infinitely long time to form, according to anyone not doomed to fall into the black hole that forms ;)
16:45
@Mithrandir24601 that's a very cordinativist perspective!
:D
I miss relativity
@Mithrandir24601 I like physics.stackexchange.com/a/146852/50583 on that, because it casts into doubt that "does the blackhole exist right now?" is even a meaningful question to ask for a distant observer
@ACuriousMind It's legit enough that it forms the principles of experimentally observed and used principles, like homodyne detection
Thouhg obviously his point is more subtle that that.
@ACuriousMind Ooh yeah, that's a neat one
16:53
Crothers!
@JohnRennie yes surprising!
oh, okay, it's not about relativistic reference frames...yeah, this makes sense
",.? 1",.4#?
Good night everyone!
@YuvrajSingh... Bye :-)
17:07
@JohnRennie I just had a brief look at his website. To use the vernacular of some of my older relatives, that bloke sounds like a flamin' dingbat!
@PM2Ring like a lot of these people he believes that what he understands GR to be is wrong. And like a lot of these people that's because he doesn't understand GR. So he has set up a straw man version of GR and that's what he's throwing stones at.
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Q: When Is It Appropriate To Use The Ladder Operator Method in Quantum Mechanics?

Nava MooreI'm trying to understand when it is intuitively obvious that the ladder method would be best used to tackle a problem in quantum mechanics.

Is this an example of an off topic list question?
It's an example of a question I don't really understand. :P
Haha yeah I guess that makes sense too
And yes, if my vote wasn't binding I'd VTC as either too broad or unclear what you're asking
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17:18
re GR, its now been heavily tested over 1 century incl "outside our local neighborhood" eg with black hole dynamics. however there is a lot of professional scientific consternation about "size of universe" and this question/ measurement seems to be tightly coupled with GR theory. how do we do "large scale" tests of GR? the conclusion is we cant really, or cosmological measurements are the closest thing we have, and there are significant discrepancies... eg
17:29
@JohnRennie Aka JD Syndrome. ;)
18:00
Why would you want to off-topic/close a question like that, e.g. look at the answers it's a very non-trivial question
18:15
@bolbteppa List questions are off-topic because Srack Exchange questions are supposed to elicit a small finite number of correct answers, but the answers to list questions can go on forever, with each new answer adding yet another item to the list.
How is it a list question, and the idea list questions should be off topic is absolutely ridiculous, where do these joke rules even come from
Also, ACM didn't imply that it's trivial. Just that it's so vague &/ or broad that you could write a book and not fully address it.
@bolbteppa Well Aaron asked if it is a list question. I just paraphrased the standard answer for why list questions are off-topic across the network. I didn't say that I fully agree that it's a list question, but I see why Aaron may perceive it as one, since it basically says "list the situations where I can use the Ladder Operator Method".
FWIW, here's a mother meta post about why list questions are OT: meta.stackexchange.com/a/98366/334566
It doesn't ask to give a list it asks "I'm trying to understand when it is intuitively obvious that [METHOD X] would be best used" which is pretty much the perfect question and I just love how math.overflow breaks all these ridiculous rules
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Q: Examples of common false beliefs in mathematics

gowersThe first thing to say is that this is not the same as the question about interesting mathematical mistakes. I am interested about the type of false beliefs that many intelligent people have while they are learning mathematics, but quickly abandon when their mistake is pointed out -- and also in ...

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18:37
@bolbteppa lol SE is not the place to break rules, its the place to conform to them :P
Yeah, maybe the single best list of answers on any of these sites, answers from fields medalists, award winners, etc... but it's better that people decide not to try to recreate what they do though and actually lets get rid of all these answers while we're at it
@vzn didn't you join the establishment recently, I seen a comment defending the status quo ;)
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re so-called "list questions" ran into that long ago & pondered over it some also, it seems to be something of a (widespread) SE culture concept, its not in official rules, despite some seeming to assume it is.
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Q: What is the definition of a list question?

Steven JeurisAfter an extensive discussion in chat I've come to the conclusion there are some unclarities relating to list questions. In an attempt to tackle this problem in a more constructive format I first want to address a seamingly "simple" issue. What is a list question? I'm not interested in discussi...

@bolbteppa lol (horrors!) maybe you are mistaken, which comment was that?
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@bolbteppa get it? offered in the spirit that "even stopped clocks are right 2x/ day" lol :P
Soon you're going to be arguing why Copenhagen is the one true interpretation, give it time ;)
vzn
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18:48
@bolbteppa wrt that, reread a really great book on an ancient indian philosophy, was delighted how much it relates to modern culture + psychology + sociology. whats new with you, overly-mysterious one?
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Now that this post has been deleted for sufficient time (~20 days), can any mod please undelete it?
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The reason why I am using the chat is because I had already flagged it for "moderator attention" some time back when this post was relatively young and thus the flag was appropriately declined and that's why the system (no, not ACM) is not letting me flag it for the second time.
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Thank you!
@FakeMod I don't think that's an option when the question itself is deleted.
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19:02
Oh! Nevermind all that. The question itself is deleted...
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@JMac Oops! I was just typing that out. I thought no one had yet seen my messages :)
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$$\frac{\int _0 ^\pi x^3 \ln (\sin x) \mathrm d x}{\int _0 ^\pi x^2 \ln(\sqrt 2 \sin x) \mathrm d x}$$
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Does anybody know how to evaluate the above integral?
19:41
@FakeMod Gradshteyn and Ryzhik gives the following result (formula 4.322.8):
$$\int_0^{\pi/2} x^{\mu-1}\ln (\sin x)\,dx=-\frac{1}{\mu}\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)^\mu \left[\frac{1}{\mu}-2\sum_{k=1}^\infty \frac{\zeta(2k)}{4^k(\mu+2k)}\right]$$
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:54164047 no problem, take your time :)
In principle, that formula is enough to do your case
but
dear god that looks wretched
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Q: Ratio of two integrals

FakeMod Evaluate: $$\frac{\int _0 ^\pi x^3 \ln (\sin x) \mathrm d x}{\int _0 ^\pi x^2 \ln(\sqrt 2 \sin x) \mathrm d x}$$ I tried expressing the integral in the numerator as a multiple of the integral in the denominator. To do this, I used the following property of definite integrals: \begin{alig...

i'll add that as a comoment
I'd say the idea is to reduce it to integrating $\ln ( \sin x)$ which is a famous definite integral?
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19:46
@Semiclassical This question is for high schoolers and that's why I suppose that it has to do something expressing the numerator as a multiple of the denominator.
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@bolbteppa Hey, i already reached there, seems like I might get an answer by doing that.
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To be honest, I was not brave enough to continue after that :P
@Semiclassical that integral is up to $\pi/2$ not $\pi$!
sure. But $\int_{\pi/2}^\pi f(x)\ln(\sin x)\,dx=\int_0^{\pi/2} f(\pi-x)\ln (\sin x)\,dx$
so that formula is sufficient to get both parts
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19:49
@Semiclassical but how do I go about computing that series?
yeah, that's the problem
i don't think that formula is a plausible route, even though it is applicable
My god, it involves $\zeta(2k)$ in each term, imagine trying to use that
yeah, it's pretty awful
just because one -could- try to use it, doesn't mean one -should- try
vaguely related:
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A: what is the taylor expansion of $\ln(\sin x/x)$

achille hui$$\begin{align}\log(\frac{\sin x}{x}) = & \log\prod_{n=1}^{\infty}\left( 1 - \frac{x^2}{n^2\pi^2}\right) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\log\left(1 - \frac{x^2}{n^2\pi^2}\right)\\ \stackrel{\color{blue}{^{[1]}}}{=} & -\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{k}\left(\frac{x}{n\pi}\right)^{2k} \stack...

Pretty cool how the zeta function arises actually
well, if we appeal to symmetry, we have $\int_0^\pi f(x)\ln(\sin x)\,dx=\int_0^{\pi/2}(f(x)+f(\pi-x))\ln(\sin x)\,dx$
so $\int_0^x x^3 \ln(\sin x)\,dx=\int_0^{\pi/2} (3\pi x^2-3\pi^2 x+\pi^3))\ln(\sin x)\,dx$
19:58
Hi, everybody.
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Done!!! Seems like I will self answer my question tomrrow...
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@DanielSank Hi!
whereas $\int_0^\pi x^2 \ln(\sin x)\,dx = \int_0^{\pi/2} (2x^2-2\pi x+\pi^2)\,\ln(\sin x)|,dx$
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@Semiclassical That should be $x^2$ instead of $2x^2$ in the RHS.
um, no?
$x^2+(\pi-x)^2$
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20:01
Oh, yeah, sorry.
@FakeMod Hi.
okay. in which case, labeling theese integrals as $I_3$ and $I_2$ respectively, we have $(3\pi/2)I_2-I_3 = \int_0^{\pi/2} (\pi^3/2)\ln(\sin x)\,dx$
which does explain why $3\pi/2$ is special, at least
What's going on in here?
Physics?
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@Semiclassical hehe...we are getting closer :)
55 mins ago, by FakeMod
$$\frac{\int _0 ^\pi x^3 \ln (\sin x) \mathrm d x}{\int _0 ^\pi x^2 \ln(\sqrt 2 \sin x) \mathrm d x}$$
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20:04
55 mins ago, by FakeMod
Does anybody know how to evaluate the above integral?
apparently, the answer is a lot simpler than it has any right to be
...or the usual mix of physics and tomfoolery?
I think, for organizational purposes, I'd probably consider the reciprocal of that ratio
Have we tried Feynman's trick?
since the bottom almost begs to be split into two pieces
20:05
That looks like a Feynman's trick integral.
Actually that also looks like a contour integral...
hmmmmm
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@DanielSank The one in which you assume a parameter and differentiate wrt to it and then integrate back again?
^ yes
Because differentiating the log makes it go away, which can be convenient. Actually variable substitution might be enough. ::looks for paper::
I would think ACM could do this in his sleep...
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@DanielSank You are provoking him, aren't you? ;)
Perhaps. Ok now I see that you're trying to find a ratio of two integrals, so maybe you don't actually have to evaluate either one of them.
@FakeMod have you tried scaling the integration variable in one of the integrals and then using integration by parts?
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@DanielSank I am sorry, I don't understand what you mean by scaling here...
20:15
Just do a change of variables to get rid of the sqrt(2).
i.e. $\sin(y) = \sqrt{2} \sin(x)$ and see what happens.
seems like that will do awful, awful things to $x^2$
I'm not so sure.
integrating by parts seems like a good idea, though
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A: Ratio of two definite integrals

FakeModAfter a bit scribbling and help from the folks at the h bar, I found the solution. First of all, I am going to use the fact that $$\int _0 ^π \ln(\sin x) \mathrm d x = -\pi \ln 2$$ Using this, we can simplify the second term (the term without any powers of $x$). So, $$\int_0 ^\pi \frac{\pi^3}{...

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A: Quotient of two integrals $\frac{\int_0^\pi x^3\ln(\sin x)dx}{\int_0^\pi x^2\ln(\sqrt{2}(\sin x)dx}$

ZackyWe want to prove that: $$\frac{I}{J}=\frac{\int_0^\pi x^3\ln(\sin x)dx} {\int_0^\pi x^2\ln\left(\sqrt 2\sin x\right)dx}=\frac{3\pi}2$$ Let's take the upper integral and substitute $\pi-x\to x$ and add a $0$ term in the end: $$\Rightarrow I=\int_0^\pi (\pi^3-3\pi^2x+3\pi x^2-x^3)\ln(\sin x)dx+ 3\...

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20:20
My question was an exact duplicate :P
user434058
Never found that dupe question though I had been searching for 30 mins...
@DanielSank That's going to get ugly when $\sin x > \sqrt{2}/2$
user434058
I am starting to doubt myself: ... did I just pull off a prank? :D
user434058
I flagged my question as a duplicate :))
user434058
20:24
And now it's closed.
user434058
Thank you people for helping me out!

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