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@bolbteppa anyway thx for bringing this to my attn, have not seen this angle before. understood thats the current standard understanding/ presentation. ("wave fns satisfy continuity eqn.") but try to think out of the box once in awhile. ie turn existing direction upside down so to speak. if one tried to create/ formulate a "derivation" of sch. eqn. from the continuity eqn, what would it look like? are there any refs that do this? can one "derive" a wave eqn from the continuity eqn?
 
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vzn
vzn
03:41
alas, all the geniuses are gone or silent and/or speechless, so had to try the next best thing, google fu... + wikipedia... to the rescue! :)
> The wave equation can be developed from the linearized one-dimensional continuity equation, the linearized one-dimensional force equation and the equation of state. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_wave_equation#Derivation
 
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05:21
@AaronStevens are you there?
05:39
I guess not I’ll try at some later point (48hrs) would like to discuss your proposal through non-comments.
 
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07:00
@dmckee Is this a bug? Why isn't the marked answer at the top in this question?
07:20
@ZeroTheHero Are you back?
 
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08:28
morning
@Kyubey No, that's not a bug. The accepted answer doesn't float to the top (when you view the answers sorted by votes) if the answer was written by the OP.
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Q: Sources on Screens and the Gibbons-Hawking term

Naveen BalajiIn the theory of junction conditions, the Riemann tensor in terms of the Heaviside theta function is expressed as follows $$R^{\alpha}_{\beta\lambda\mu} = \Theta(l)R^{\alpha^{+}}_{\beta\lambda\mu} + \Theta(-l)R^{\alpha^{-}}_{\beta\lambda\mu} + \delta(l)A^{\alpha}_{\beta\lambda\mu}.$$ Now, the tr...

Interested anyone?
I'm afraid New Year's Eve isn't my most auspiscious time to do Stokes' theorem
08:55
lol!
it would be a classic way to begin the next decade
Well sure, but it only begins tomorrow
So you'll have to wait a while
Also people may be a tad hungover
Yeah, was hoping the ones in the east timezone weren't already
Well still morning here
But my mind's not on the Gibbons-York-Hawking term
Well, hope you can take a look at it next year. Have a great one!
09:10
I have read stuff about the LHC where even protons and electrons are reduced to quarks and gluons at trillions of degrees temperatures which are impressive.

Are silicon burning processes only able to disintegrate 40ca or the entire isotopes of calcium nuclei regardless if it is stable or not?
 
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11:43
Hello, I'm in the middle of the 1st QFT course (following Peskin&Schroesder and some lecture notes). It's rather a hobby (have a full time job in a different area + family). It would be really nice to have someone to discuss, think, solve problems etc.
Looking forward to hearing from someone crazy to have such a hobby :)
11:58
do we really need this tag wave-optics? seems to me that "optics" would cover it just fine
12:43
I suppose you can do optics without waves, and waves without optics.
user434058
13:00
@KyleKanos But there is an exclusive tag for its counterpart "ray optics", so I felt that "wave optics" should not be left out. However, you can make it a synonym if you think that it might be redundant as a stand-alone tag.
Is that a duck you're wearing?
user434058
Now it's surely worthy as a synonym (like if "fourier optics" can be tag synonym, why can't "wave optics" be one?). The only question remaining is that can it be a real tag?
@ZeroTheHero Yeah, that sounds good.
user434058
@wendy.krieger Yup, that's a hat!! Wintebash is fun ;)
It;s the middle of summer here, but i get the point
user434058
13:04
@wendy.krieger The hat's name is Rubber Ducky
One of the hidden ones, i suppose
user434058
@wendy.krieger Yeah! You get it when you discard a question (to be asked in meta site) that you were writing .
user434058
@wendy.krieger Some of the secret hats really don't require any serious effort. You just need to know how to get them and then gaining them becomes easier than gaining rep.
@FakeMod My first hat was the 'Warm Welcome' one. Commenting on a new user's question
13:31
@FakeMod I don't think making new tags just to make them synonyms is a good idea. this site has been around for many years now, I imagine most tags that need to be created have been created
@FakeMod @KyleKanos Many tags exist simply because a single user who could create tags created them without looking for synonyms first. Tags aren't actively deleted unless they're harmful in some way, so they stick around. Therefore, one can't deduce from the existence of a tag that it's in any sense deemed useful by the community.
So the argument "ray optics, therefore wave optics" doesn't really work unless you show what's useful about above and beyond what's useful about
Like what people wo don't know the fields might ask.
13:57
@JohnRennie Happy New Year 2020 :)
It's still 3 minutes away here.
@AbhasKumarSinha It's not 2020 just yet in the UK, but thanks anyway :-)
@JohnRennie just 4:30 hours to go here?
@wendy.krieger Australia?
Yes, sunny Queensland
Eight bells to end the decade.
@wendy.krieger ah okay, I thought that they have single time zone here
@wendy.krieger Whatever, Happy New Year in advanced :)
14:00
At the moment, we have five time-zones.
@wendy.krieger ah okay, USA too has 5 time zones and the Russia probably has 7
00:00 01/01/2020 the crackers are going off
In winter, we settle back to three timezones.
@wendy.krieger ah good
@wendy.krieger oh... Very Informative :)
NSW it's 1am, SA it's 0:30, Qld it's 0:00, NT it's 23:30, and WA it's 22:00
user434058
14:18
@ACuriousMind I get your point.
user434058
@KyleKanos That's why the only things which probably might be missing are just synonyms. But I agree with ACM. Right now, I don't really know what should be done with that suggested "wave-optics" tag.
user434058
@wendy.krieger I also got that. As I told, few of the secret hats are quite easy to get.
@NovaliumCompany @Knight @Kyubey @KyleKanos @FakeMod @Slereah @skullpatrol @Semiclassical @skillpatrol @JohnRennie @JMac @AaronStevens @bolbteppa @SirCumference @YuvrajSingh... @ACuriousMind @PM2Ring @dmckee @ZeroTheHero @wendy.krieger

--->**H** *A* **P** *P* **Y** *__* **N** *E* **W** *__* **Y** *E* **A** *R*<---

Let the Countdown Begin:

$$ 10 \times 9 \times 8 + ( 7 + 6 ) \times 5 \times 4 \times (3+2) \times 1 = 2020 \blacksquare $$
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user434058
@AbhasKumarSinha I cannot see MathJax.... :P
28 minutes have past. It's a perfect number, you know
14:29
@wendy.krieger yep :)
@FakeMod Use plugin :P
user434058
@wendy.krieger embrace yourself. You soon are going to get a hat!!
@AbhasKumarSinha @AaronStevensA @ACuriousMind @Knight @FakeMod @JohnRennie Happy New Year.
user434058
@AbhasKumarSinha I am lazy and on a mobile
user434058
Happy New Year to everyone who sees this message
@FakeMod That Chat shit has a lot of bugs.
for example type this string []
you'll see bugs
user434058
14:31
Hmmm.
WELCOME 2020
@FakeMod any plans?
@AbhasKumarSinha wow!.
@YuvrajSingh... :)
Happy new year to everyone!
4 hours to go :)
14:38
Works on any browser on any site. The plugin is good.
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Q: What are $a$ and $a^*$ called in the context of a classical harmonic oscillator?

DanielSankConsider a harmonic oscillator defined by the coupled differential equations \begin{align} \begin{split} \dot{X} &= \omega Y \\ \dot{Y} &= - \omega X \, . \end{split} \tag{1} \end{align} Defining new variables $a = X + i Y$ and $a^* = X - i Y$, produces a new uncoupled system of equations \begin{...

Does this question actually have an objective answer? I would think it should, yet the two answers so far say "I would call them...", which makes it seem more like a subjective question.
@AaronStevens don't think too much, just answer :)
@AbhasKumarSinha I don't have an answer. And I'm not really thinking about it too much. Just an observation.
@AaronStevens Cool :)
@ACuriousMind asking for downvotes on a personal post is against the rule? (Just hunting a badge)
14:47
@AaronStevens I think that points to the objective answer being "these aren't called anything usually" :P
@Kyubey Yes, please do not ask other people to vote on your posts for any other reason than their quality.
@ACuriousMind this is the post. I thought it might help me to get peer pressure badge.
@ACuriousMind Fair enough. What is the site policy on questions like this then? This specific question isn't of poor quality IMO, yet I can see there being issues with questions of the form "does this thing have a name?" Especially if the answer is just "no".
@AaronStevens How to write a poor quality question?
@AbhasKumarSinhaA just ask a homework type question without any need of concept!
@AaronStevens I think the applicable meta post here is physics.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4063/50583
@Kyubey Please don't go chasing these badges. Peer pressure is intended to reward you for deleting a post you later realized was bad, not to incentivize you to post low quality answers
14:53
@ACuriousMind Sorry but I don't think I would have a chance to earn it then (if I go by rule)!
So what?
What do you gain by earning a badge while violating its spirit?
@ACuriousMind I don't think this question falls in any of those 3 categories, but perhaps it is similar to one of the many examples given throughout.
I mean that I would not chase it again.
@Kyubey Question: How the Einstein said that he was born in early 19th century and also saying time is relative? Does that make sense?
@AbhasKumarSinha he might have meant it for earth's reference frame.
14:58
@Kyubey Why earth? When there are 12x more species of animals alive!
@AbhasKumarSinha "12 times more species " I can't understand it (is it a joke or something?)
@Kyubey Aliens!
@AbhasKumarSinha okay!
@AbhasKumarSinha you have your own chat room?
@Kyubey not okay, they are after human beings!
@AbhasKumarSinha the 19th century is relative. It's +1800 years relative to the year zero.
15:02
@Kyubey It's called Dot Chat
@AbhasKumarSinha I don't see why it wouldn't make sense. "19th century" is clearly relative to the reference frame of humans on earth, since we made up the whole convention ourselves.
@JohnRennie That's genius explaination
Pure Talent! :)
Am I seeing after images or are there really 12 people in h bar.
@Kyubey You are seeing images.
@AbhasKumarSinha No once I visited h bar while logged out just after I was here. And guess what? I was still there in the currently online user list.
15:09
@Kyubey cool
@ACuriousMind how would anyone earn a beta badge now. Shouldn't it be retired?
@Kyubey The badge page isn't physics.SE specific, it's the same for all SE sites. The Beta badge is of course still awarded on other sites that are still in beta.
Okay thanks!
The number a time period is either cardinal (ie assumed elapsed) or ordinal (ie asumed current).

Days, Months and Centuries are numbered ordinally, so the referent point is the end of these periods. Years and Decades are cardinal, so the start-point is the beginning of these events.
The current century started on 2000.0000, but the referent is 2100, so it's the 21st century. The decades we just entered is 2020, is the 'twenties,' go from 2020 to 2099.9999
@wendy.krieger yes, calenders repeat after 28 years
15:22
400 years to be exact.
@wendy.krieger 28 only...
In centuries not a multiple of 400, there is no leap-year day, so 1900 was not leap, and 2100 isn't either.
@wendy.krieger okay...
@wendy.krieger Can you tell me why my classmate is 1/4th of my age!
Born on 29 Feb, i imagine
@wendy.krieger Before Leap Year :P :) XD
15:26
On the other hand, i was born in 16.37
@wendy.krieger Time?
@wendy.krieger 16th month of 1937? You are lucky to see WWI AND WW2
No, 16.37 is 16*120+37, or 1957 according to the short count.
@wendy.krieger wooooooooooow! Are you a human calculator?
15:29
I normally use one of about 30 different number systems.
@wendy.krieger True Sign of Genius!
@wendy.krieger Which University you teach?
@wendy.krieger School?
I''m a retired invalid
@wendy.krieger oh... okay.
@wendy.krieger Are you in a party :P ?
15:32
autistic, or some rot like that.
No. They all died 6 months ago.
@wendy.krieger who?
@wendy.krieger Food?
Mum, the Dog, anyone here but me, have moved onto new digs.
@wendy.krieger ok :)
So it's all new territory living alone
@wendy.krieger Same 4 me.
15:36
@AbhasKumarSinha Happy New Ear my brother
@Knight Happy old year!
@Kyubey Same to you my friend
@AbhasKumarSinha How do you doing?
@Knight waiting 3 hours more
Just as people have the 'down under' jokes, I have a Joke that runs like this:

In america, all days start with 'Y'. 'Yesterday'. Greetings from down under.
@wendy.krieger XD :)
15:38
@AbhasKumarSinha I will talk to you a little later
@AbhasKumarSinha ACM is here, wait for him to go to the main site. , okay?
@Knight Roger That !
@Knight Stop that, it was never funny and isn't now. You should behave here the same regardless of whether you see my picture in that list or not.
@ACuriousMind hehehehehe....
@ACuriousMind Why you are scolding me too hardly I will start crying.
@ACuriousMind yes, he's a little kid....
@Knight Shud I rap now?
15:41
@AbhasKumarSinha YES
The Court Verdict!
I must to bed now. It's 01:41 on the clock now (twelfty 0V1)
@wendy.krieger Good Night, Sweet Dreams :)
The pleasure has been mine
good knight
15:42
@wendy.krieger :)
@Knight ya, cough cough
What?
@Knight Ama Starting na...
@Hilbert Space!!? Glad to meet you. I use you in QM and your Brother Matrix Space in GR.
@AbhasKumarSinha Are you eating something and trying to mimic the onomatopoeia of that.
@AbhasKumarSinha Don't fun with new users, ACM will nit leave you.
@Knight Should I start my rap?
@AbhasKumarSinha yeah
15:44
@Knight That's Respect
@Knight ya. ya...
@AbhasKumarSinha My brother break this chat room with your rap, come on COME ON
@Knight just wait a little longer, ama tryna make rhymes.
@AbhasKumarSinha Just do it fast, my mind is very curious to know what it is
I'm on my way again! ACM's reading, knights settled...
rhymes breeding, in my minds, a miracle.
Push my words one my one, flow likea noodle.
ya ya ya.....
First I learn to pronounce every word
then I put together my nouns and verbs.
no matter how it's absurd
ya ya ya.
Thanks for the start, let me start my car....
Wow
15:50
Ya, feel like, steel like, or steal like, the speed of light, need that might, accelerator to ignite and car race to fight
ya
GREAT DEAR
Let's change rhymes....
I paint my lyrics like Da Vinci
dented all haters, like you see this.
flow builders, are you listening!?
yeah
Happy New Year, that's just beginning
not listening i'm reading
15:52
ya
@Knight Read my flow like gucchi's trap
ya yo yo
Gallaxy to Black hole map
GR writer is king, don't mess with me.
yo yo yo
ya ya ya
@Knight Another one?
yes
it was just great
i meam greatest
15:55
@Knight okay, one sec for rhymes...
@AbhasKumarSinha You know why ACM is so strict, just go to his profile and see his location.
ugh!!!
This one would be fire....
@Knight Is that a rap?
No, just see his location and you will understand.
@Knight I'll be back with a fire rap, for now, dinner time.
okay
15:57
How many Germans does it take to change a lightbulb? - One. We're efficient and don't have a sense of humor.
@ACuriousMind Have you ever smiled, laughed, grin since your existance? You are even a introvert on internet.
Well for Indians, we are pure desi
...you know what I just said was itself a joke, right?
@ACuriousMind yea, neither i was serious
@ACuriousMind ... but Germans don't have a sense of humor. How could it be a joke?!
@ACuriousMind WOAH A GHOST. That really scared me.
@ACuriousMind I would recommend you to watch this anime. I believe you would love it. (I loved it!)
Guys...
I'm covering my ears like a kid
when your words mean nothing I go
@Kyubey I'm afraid I don't really watch many animes
LA LA LAAAA
16:10
@ACuriousMind it's not like those cringe worthy ones!
Happy 2021 everyone!!
@NovaliumCompany Happy 2092!
@NovaliumCompany ya, Happy Old year
@Knight Are you there?
Rap's readyz!
@Kyubey which anime?
@Kyubey It's more the art style. The only anime-style things I've watched are Avatar and NGE
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@ACuriousMind You don't watch Naruto!! ? You are not a true anime fan!
16:18
Good thing I've never claimed to be an anime fan, then :P
@ACuriousMind You should have Stared those :p -_-
@ACuriousMind Let's play a QM Game, okay?
@AbhasKumarSinha Nope, I'm about to vanish from this chat for the rest of this year
Coconut =ACM I believe, @AbhasKumarSinha
@ACuriousMind Okay, See you next year :P :) XD :DDD
@YuvrajSingh... ACM ka full form A Curious Mind hai, Hindi wala ni
(If anyone thinks this is an opportunity to make a mess of it, be certain that hungover me in the next decade will look at it and hungover me is not very forgiving :P)
16:20
Who wants to explain the 3 $\Psi$ spinor identity
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Code broke
@bolbteppa Currently reading... Spinsors...
@ACuriousMind hehheheheh XD
@AbhasKumarSinha I mean that only!
@YuvrajSingh... awkey
@bolbteppa Sir do you know Quantum Computers?
Have a good new year everyone!
Not much tbh
16:23
@ACuriousMind Thx Bro :) :P XD
@ACuriousMind happy new year sir!
@bolbteppa Sir, do you know Matrix Mechanics developed by Heisenburg and Born?
It is just quantum mechanics
@bolbteppa It's approach to Derivation to schrodinger's equation
@bolbteppa I wanna see how interference works there.
What you're asking about is most likely just the Heisenberg picture
In physics, the Heisenberg picture (also called the Heisenberg representation) is a formulation (largely due to Werner Heisenberg in 1925) of quantum mechanics in which the operators (observables and others) incorporate a dependency on time, but the state vectors are time-independent, an arbitrary fixed basis rigidly underlying the theory. It stands in contrast to the Schrödinger picture in which the operators are constant, instead, and the states evolve in time. The two pictures only differ by a basis change with respect to time-dependency, which corresponds to the difference between active and...
Matrix mechanics is a formulation of quantum mechanics created by Werner Heisenberg, Max Born, and Pascual Jordan in 1925. Matrix mechanics was the first conceptually autonomous and logically consistent formulation of quantum mechanics. Its account of quantum jumps supplanted the Bohr model's electron orbits. It did so by interpreting the physical properties of particles as matrices that evolve in time. It is equivalent to the Schrödinger wave formulation of quantum mechanics, as manifest in Dirac's bra–ket notation. In some contrast to the wave formulation, it produces spectra of (mostly energy...
16:30
@bolbteppa Is there any other Generalization of QM and Classical Mech apart from Statistical Mechanics? Where I can evaluate a single entity... (for both QM and Classical Mech)
No, quantum mechanics is the most general theory there is
@bolbteppa But Schrodinger's equation doesn't reduces to Classical Equations for $\hbar \rightarrow 0$ or $m \rightarrow +\infty$...
The wave function in Schrodinger's equation is ill-defined when $\hbar = 0$ meaning the equation is irrelevant
@bolbteppa That's the problem, I want that QM Equation to reduce to classical equation for $\hbar \rightarrow 0$....
16:34
@bolbteppa So that I can use it in any case without worrying if it is a quantum object or a macroscopic one.
That already exists
@bolbteppa which equation?
Lets be more careful
@bolbteppa ok
In the Heisenberg picture, the Schrodinger equation is equivalent to Heisenberg's equations. Heisenberg's equations reduce to Hamilton's equations in the limit as $\hbar \to 0$. Hamilton's equations describe classical mechanics. There you go
16:36
@AbhasKumarSinha This one! Do share if you start watching it.
@bolbteppa WOW, what's that GRAND EQUATION?
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A: Classical analogue of Heisenberg and Schrödinger pictures?

Luboš MotlThere is really no analogue of the "pure state" or "state vector" in classical physics so there is no analogue of Schödinger's equation for ket vectors. However, the density matrix has an analogue in classical physics, namely the probability distribution on the phase space, also called $\rho$. O...

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Read the first two sections of this
In physics, the Heisenberg picture (also called the Heisenberg representation) is a formulation (largely due to Werner Heisenberg in 1925) of quantum mechanics in which the operators (observables and others) incorporate a dependency on time, but the state vectors are time-independent, an arbitrary fixed basis rigidly underlying the theory. It stands in contrast to the Schrödinger picture in which the operators are constant, instead, and the states evolve in time. The two pictures only differ by a basis change with respect to time-dependency, which corresponds to the difference between active and...
@bolbteppa That's great!!!!! :O OMG! You know all Physics!!?!! You should start working on time machine!
@bolbteppa heisenberg picture is a cool thing!
This introduces it all pretty directly
@bolbteppa Sir, how many journals you read each day?
16:45
It depends haha
@bolbteppa average?
@bolbteppa seems that's your secret XD :)
whatever.
@bolbteppa I've some homework to do before New Year :P
Will meet you next decade :P XD :)
2020
Enjoy
Bye sir
@bolbteppa :-)
17:32
@AbhasKumarSinha Don’t ever call him bro
@ACuriousMind I have made you laugh, it was because of me you did that joke (that lightbulb, although I thought that the lightbulb was me and only one ACM is required to fix me, whatever). So, do you still hate me?
17:57
Actually, 2020 isn't the next decade
the next decade starts from 2021
18:10
What happens if you make a machine that has a camera, a microphone, a speaker, wheels and robot arms. You shove all the inputs into some type of AI model and BOOM - robotic baby human which you have to teach just like you do with a baby.
 
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I do not think "happy ending" means what you think it means
My name is Inigo Montoya
19:35
On the issue of [wave-optics] and [geometric-optics] (which is the master that [ray-optics] aliases), in the intro level course we teach they as two distict ways to treat light (typically in separate chapters and the connection between them is rarely treated in detail).
At that level those tags make sense. Of course, anyone who sticks with the topic rapidly comes to a point where they can see them as expressions of the same underlying behavior. at that level there are a bit redundant.
Right now we have 800+ posts tagged [geometric-optics] (which has been around since 2011). But we seem to have gotten along without [wave-optics] all that time. Presumbly those questions have historically simply been tagged [optics] as Kyle suggests.
I don't see much use for [wave-optics] separate of [optics], but including it as a alias might be reasonable.
19:58
Happy New Year :D
Happy new ear, said everyone to the potato of toy story
20:55
you guys are like 8 hours early for this arbitrary holiday
21:39
@KyleKanos well it's no more arbitrary than most other holidays :P
like birthday
21:50
10 hours early for me
but many parts of the earth already celebrated it :D
22:09
dunno if spongebob memes resonate with the childhoods of people here but worth a shot
22:23
of course it does
23:10
@SirCumference that a year passes from one event isn't arbitrary, but when the year starts is arbitrary & depends on culture
1/1 pretty universal tho...
Except 1/1 depends on the calendar you're using
true true...but probably 7 billion people use the same calendar
No, probably not. That sounds a bit high
sounds about right to me
23:20
That's like the whole population of the world
less 800 million people give or take
23:35
Messages should be delayed according to timezones so we can all wish happy new year at the same time.
i'm genius
would make chatting difficult
i said i'm genius
ur genius
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