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7:08 PM
Hm
spinors in curved spacetime are a section of the $\text{Spin}(3,1) \times \mathbb{C}^2$ associated bundle
Where does that first part figure exactly
For strong interaction spinors there is an index $\psi^A_{a}$ so that $a$ is in the SU(3) basis
But is that the case here
 
Why $\times \mathbb{C}^2$
 
Because that's the space the $(1/2,0)$ rep acts on
It could be another vector space, obviously, but that's just an example
 
But $\mathrm{Spin}(4,1)$ has no Weyl spinors
 
I said 3,1
 
Right, but in the 4,1 case what is that thing
 
7:12 PM
Does it matter
not really the salient point of my question
 
Ok cool, get it
Wald does spinors in curved spacetime on fiber bundles
 
@Slereah No - the two indices come because your $\mathrm{SU}(3)$-spinor ends up as a section of a bundle associated to $\mathrm{SU}(3)\times\mathrm{Spin}(3,1)$. Writing association as $G\rtimes V$ (to not confuse association with the direct product), the strongly interacting spinor is a section of an $(\mathrm{SU}(3)\times\mathrm{Spin}(3,1))\rtimes (\mathbb{C}^3 \otimes \mathbb{C}^2)$-associated bundle.
 
Hm
Probably need to read more on the spinor bundle
 
Skimming the Wald section, my god
 
(To be clear, I'd write the Weyl-spinor bundle as $\mathrm{Spin}(3,1)\rtimes_{(1/2,0)} \mathbb{C}^2$ if I wanted to be really formal, and I'm not sure why you just used $\times$)
 
7:19 PM
@bolbteppa Doing spin connections is p. bad
@ACuriousMind I wanted to be really lazy
Also set-wise, the semidirect product is just a cartesian product :p
 
It's not a semi-direct product, really
wait
 
I'm waiting
 
I did my own notation wrong :P. What I really wanted to say is this: If you have a $G$-principal bundle $P$, then you denote the associated bundle to the representation space $V$ as $P\rtimes_G V$ (whether you use $\rtimes$ or $\times$ is not essential, really)
But it's neither a product nor a semi-direct product
 
There's no semi-directness in Wald anyway
 
You stitch it together from patches of the form $P\times V$, but its not globally of that form and its fiber is isomorphic to $V$, not $G\times V$.
 
7:25 PM
Whaaat?
But that's not even the correct dimension for a strong spinor D:
 
What?
 
Aren't $SU(3)$ spinors of the form $\psi^A_a$
 
For a strong spinor, $G = \mathrm{SU}(3)\times\mathrm{Spin}(3,1)$ and $V = \mathbb{C}^3\otimes \mathbb{C}^2$
 
Hm
 
Where the $\mathrm{SU}(3)$ acts as a fundamental on the $\mathbb{C}^3$ and the spin group as its Weyl spinor representation on the $\mathbb{C}^2$.
 
7:27 PM
Ah I see
You have to have the associated bundle be vector spaces on which all groups act
That does make sense
 
Whenever you have two groups $G,H$ acting independently on the same object in representations $V_G, V_H$, you can express this equivalently as $G\times H$ acting on $V_G\otimes V_H$.
 
So in bundle language, Coleman-Mandula is applied to products of $\mathrm{Spin}(3,1)$ with 'internal' Lie groups i.e. compact ones like $\mathrm{SU}(3)$?
 
So the standard model is just a giant $\mathbb{C}^{12} \oplus \mathbb{C}^{12}$ spinor
The horror
The matter fields, anyway
I guess $13$ actually
although I guess the real configuration space is much much smaller
 
Coleman-Mandula has nothing to do with bundles. It's just saying the following: If the physical theory has the Poincaré group as a spacetime symmetry, then it must be a direct factor in the total symmetry group, i.e. the full symmetry must be $\mathrm{Spin}(1,3)\times\text{stuff}$
 
It can't be any of those awful generic field automorphisms I suppose
As it should be
 
7:33 PM
(that is, it is not possible to have your full symmetry be a group of which $\mathrm{Spin}(1,3)$ is a subgroup but nit a direct factor)
 
What if we're in AdS spacetime
 
@Slereah Then it breaks down :P
 
Isn't it like $\text{SO}(3,2)$ or something
Which contains $SO(3,1)$ I assume
 
No, really, there's no Coleman-Mandula for generic backgrounds
 
There's a paper idea :V
Coleman-Mandula for AdS
The horror
 
7:39 PM
Note: My statements above for Coleman-Mandula should really say "Poincaré group" instead of $\mathrm{Spin}(1,3)$
(Since the Poincare group is a semi-direct product of $\mathrm{Spin}(1,3)$ and $\mathbb{R}^{1,3}$, which would contradict the statements as I made them)
 
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Q: What is the spectrum of $\hat x \hat p + \hat p \hat x$?

Nicolás QuesadaIn quantum mechanics we know that the canonical position $\hat x$ and momentum operator $\hat p$ satisfying \begin{align} [\hat x,\hat p] = i \quad (\hbar = 1) \end{align} have continuous spectrum. We also know what the spectrum of the operator \begin{align} H = \frac{1}{2}\left(\hat p^2 + \ha...

CC @ACuriousMind
The problem ranges from nontrivial to very hard, depending on the amount of detail and technical correctness you shoot for
 
Does it have eigenfunctions anyway
Hm
$$(xp + px)\psi = x \partial_x \psi + \psi + x \partial_x \psi$$
So I guess it's just the ODE $$2x \psi' = (\lambda - 1) \psi$$
 
@Slereah I already did exactly that above
 
I can't read :(
 
Funnity (and perhaps frustratingly), the one-line computation ignoring all sorts of pathologies gives exactly what Valter also gets with a much more complicated analysis (except that all of us seem to have forgotten that $p = -\mathrm{i}\partial_x$, not $p = \partial_x$ :P)
 
7:51 PM
@ACuriousMind Well there's a reason people use the lazy hack solutions
They usually work
 
@EmilioPisanty "Very hard"? The answer there says "It can be completely solved with relatively elementary mathematical techniques."! ;)
 
$f'$ as the division of $df$ by $dx$ almost always works!
 
8:32 PM
@Slereah that notation is a sin
don't let the physicists win Slereah
 
"sin" is a notation for "sine" :P
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Q: How to conceptualize Newton's apple?

SermoI have no physics background, which is the genesis of my question. In pop-science, it is frequently mentioned that Newton's apple didn't fall toward his head, but rather that his head came up and smacked the apple. Or, put another way, if you jump out of a window, you don't crash into the Earth...

 
9:27 PM
@ACuriousMind the fact that it's easy for V Moretti doesn't mean it's easy for the rest of us, let alone a QM beginner
 
@EmilioPisanty reminds me of a classic line from Jackson: “the algebra is tedious but straightforward”
Aka pages of work
 
I bet that Newton's apple question goes HNQ.
 
I may try my hand at that problem (the xp+px one, not the HNQ-bait)
I wonder how horrible the propagator is...
 
@PM2Ring ugh
 
9:42 PM
@EmilioPisanty Agreed. If it does hit the HNQ, we can flag it for removal, on the grounds that it's click-bait.
 
Better yet, you could edit the title to not be click-bait!
I'm afraid I understand the confusion at the heart of the question so little that I can't come up with any title that actually represents it.
 
10:36 PM
ACuriousMind is a fair, but firm, Mod. He's very stoic, though.
 
It's cus he codes in COBOL
It has slowly taken all the emotion away from him
 
When I first joined SE, John Rennies unshakable adherence to physics orthodoxy mildly triggered me. But he's a really nice bloke underneath.
 
Jul 31 '18 at 22:09, by ACuriousMind
Oct 25 '17 at 16:57, by ACuriousMind
Everytime I hear the word "orthodoxy" applied to mainstream physics, I can't help but think its original meaning fits perfectly: Belief in that which is correct.
 
Ah.
 
@enumaris It's nice of you to assume I had emotions once ;)
 
10:52 PM
Does anyone else have the problem of thinking, constantly, about space, and how black holes and neutron stars look very close up etc? I must see them one day. These thoughts are in my mind about 87% of the day and night.
I am a bit skeptical of hyper dense cosmic objects, though. We've all heard how a thimble of neutron star matter would weigh....what is it? It changes with every article.......a billion tonnes, or something. I mean, look: Imagine even trying to squeeze a t-shirt into the size of an atom.
And the Big Bang theory. Trillions of galaxies at least, and the countless stars and planets within, all packed into a speck the size of an atom. It's almost as mad as saying God made everything.
(Rather, the equivalent material of said galaxies etc)
But what really takes the bourbon biscuit is saying space itself also came from the primordial atom. Infinite empty space clearly has always existed.
Little Note: That oddly placed t-shirt comment was clumsy.
I genuinely believe future generations will laugh at the fact people actually believed the Big Bang theory. Not that we humans will survive for too long anyway.
So, um, yeah. Goodnight, lel.
 
11:25 PM
@WhitePrime Not me. :) I don't think that seeing those things up close would help me understand them better.
 
@PM2Ring on the other hand, you wouldn't have any more questions about them if you saw them close enough
 
@danielunderwood Indeed. A small BH will spaghettify you long before your close to the EH, a SMBH is pretty boring if it's quiescent and way too deadly to be anywhere nearby if its active.
@danielunderwood Indeed. A small BH will spaghettify you long before you're close to the EH, a SMBH is pretty boring if it's quiescent and way too deadly to be anywhere nearby if its active.
A fresh neutron star is also pretty scary, especially if it's a magnetar, but I guess an old cold one wouldn't be too bad, if you don't get close enough for the tidal effects to hit you.
 
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