The h Bar

0celo7

18:00

@ACuriousMind Like the pairing $(f,g)\mapsto \int_X fg \,d\mu$

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 It doesn't matter - the pairing is a bilinear map on $V\times W$, so it maps uniquely to a linear map on $V\otimes W$ by the tensor product's universal property

vzn

@Phase have been dinged hard in here by mods merely for expressing povs. please dont tar me or anyone else. esp when weve barely chatted at all.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Right

Phase

@vzn I've seen you react in strange ways enough to come to some conclusion

0celo7

where is Balarka alerting us to drama

vzn

18:01

@Phase as humans, we all have our eccentricites eh? have seen others react in strange ways to my conclusions

parvin

@ACuriousMind thank you

ACuriousMind

@goodnight I don't usually hold grudges, so sure ;)

Phase

@vzn and comments that border on personal attacks?

I don't wanna argue I'm just telling you chill

vzn

← now feels free to "self reference" because BS isnt here to crucify me over it o_O

@Phase dont want to argue either. calling someone passive aggressive sounds like a personal attack to me.

ACuriousMind

@vzn ...aaaaaand there's the passive aggression Phase is referring to. You don't have to paint someone criticizing you as "crucifixion".

good night

18:03

@vzn wow

Phase

It's founded off of observation and said with no malice however

vzn

@ACuriousMind BS seems to have a serious objection to (my) self referencing as if its some kind of crime. numerous quotes attest to that. apparently others self referencing is acceptable. lines like ::twitches:: by "whoever". BS doesnt make much sense to me some times. whatever

Phase

just chill bro we're all friends here except whoever it is in the background who keeps flagging harmless things

ACuriousMind

Neither do you have to claim that the mods "dinged you hard merely for expressing povs". I'm almost completely certain that every admonition you have received was for the way you tend to express things rather than for the actual content.

good night

@Phase it's the blue butterfly i'm telling you

i had no doubts the moment I laid eyes on it.

vzn

18:06

@ACuriousMind mods are human too, wink :) (except those that are regularly accused of being AIs etc, which btw think borders on not nice)

Phase

@goodnight and how do I know its not you, huh?!

@vzn put the vague implications away

good night

@Phase HOW DO I KNOW IT'S NOT YOU

ACuriousMind

Yes, we're all human here. ::beeps inconspicuously::

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Phase

@goodnight shit I've been exposed

@ACuriousMind hang on... That inconspicuous beep was rather conspicuous... Humans beep louder!

ACuriousMind

@vzn It's perfectly nice because it's a running gag I tend to actively encourage. It would be a very different manner if I requested they don't do that and they did it nevertheless.

good night

18:07

@Phase i know it's you but what if it's me

vzn

← trying to fly in under the radar of the Chat Police, doesnt always succeed o_O

Phase

@goodnight then 0celo7 will hunt you down

and he will kill you

@Loong flag?

ACuriousMind

@Phase Don't be so paranoid, he probably just detected German somewhere in the chat :P

vzn

@Phase agreed but ppl can get pretty emotional in here at times eh? even the guys o_O

Phase

I really don't understand what you're trying to say @vzn

but I can think of at least two things wrong with it : P

0celo7

18:10

hallo @Loong

Loong

hi

vzn

← trying hard to occasionally say stuff that nobody can find anything wrong with, not always succeeding o_O

parvin

guys, does electrons move constantly in a conductor? I mean, does the conductor reach a situation in which free electrons don't move ?

ACuriousMind

@parvin When no current flows, why would the electrons "move"?

Conversely, if current flows, why wouldn't they?

Loong

@ACuriousMind "rejoin favorite rooms"

ACuriousMind

18:12

@Loong Yay, we're on your favourites ;)

Phase

@ACuriousMind to be an annoying pedant, they do move there's just no net / drift right?

Loong

@ACuriousMind The h Bar – come for the flags, stay for the stories

ACuriousMind

@Phase To be an even more annoying pedant, "motion" is a meaningless concept for the typically rather delocalized wavefunction of an electron in the conduction band :P

Phase

@ACuriousMind point taken x)

@ACuriousMind can we add what @Loong said to the group description

ACuriousMind

Nah, we shouldn't be proud of y'all's rambunctiousness :P

Phase

18:14

how the hell does this make sense

ACuriousMind

It doesn't because you didn't give any context...

Phase

just the sentence on it's own

vzn

@ACuriousMind noticed recently re stack exchange stats this is one of the most active rooms. a case of be careful what you wish for you might get it™

Phase

How can you attempt suicide without a plan

ACuriousMind

@Phase Uhhhh...maybe let's stay clear of detailed discussions of suicide

Phase

18:16

fair

good night

let's make fun of the mods

@Loong

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vzn

@Phase so you were studying QM awhile back, still into it? are you a physics major? india?

Phase

@vzn no idea where india came from : P I'm gonna convert to maths at the earliest opportunity, and I've put a hold on my.. 'venture' into QM, because I feel like I was massively lacking a solid grounding in LA.

vzn

@Phase many on here are from india possibly incl those you chat with, just guessing. think its helpful to know geographic location of others sometimes (wrt culture etc).

Phase

I'm a Brit

ACuriousMind

18:20

@goodnight I like the random "hello" at the top :P

vzn

yes know feeling struggling with some hard LA at moment myself. ouch

Phase

@vzn at least you're probably past the baby stuff : P

I still have to ask ACM for help with kindergarten LA :P

vzn

fyi liked your question, stood out, wished you would have followed up more :)

Aug 27 at 16:23, by Phase

Was Einstein actually wrong about Entanglement? I see a lot of people saying that he is, but isn't Local Hidden Variables still valid?

Phase

Thing is when you ask a question about things you haven't learnt rigorously, even when you get an answer it's meaningless

vzn

@Phase its like Dory in Finding Nemo. just keep asking :P :)

Phase

18:24

Yeah but I like to think my questions are a bit more grounded and relevant now, like Quotient spaces and bases rather than quantum entanglement and the implications of it : P

my phone is magnetic

vzn

@Phase think your question was quite relevant/ cutting edge in fact. although many experts in physics would disagree and call it an old/ long-ago-resolved debate. (some small minority of experts on other side...)

Bernardo Meurer

Goddammit

Phase

@BernardoMeurer you're back!

Bernardo Meurer

30 fucking minutes just for flipping @Phase off in a joke

Phase

How was your stay in the 7th 8th and 9th dimension?

vzn

18:26

@BernardoMeurer lol am sure he deserved it, thx for taking one for the team :P

Bernardo Meurer

I'm going to strangle these flaggers with old USB cables

ACuriousMind

@BernardoMeurer What did we say about threatening other users in jest.

Bernardo Meurer

@Phase Painful, I had to pay attention to class

Phase

@BernardoMeurer I think you just got banned by ACM

rather than flagged

ACuriousMind

Also, you'd have to strangle me because there was no flag on your message but mine.

Phase

18:27

well there we have it : P

Bernardo Meurer

@ACuriousMind We said it was okay, and that I was allowed to make threats to everyone at all times because we know my promises, much like my chances of graduating, are empty

@ACuriousMind You traitor

Phase

What about that theorem thing

vzn

Cyber Chat! ~~Where Anything Goes!™~~

Bernardo Meurer

How could you

Phase

that everything has a nonzero probability

I forgot the conditions and the name

good night

18:28

@ACuriousMind glad you liked it

i've got you covered too

ACuriousMind

@BernardoMeurer You might be misremembering, but then again, bad memory is an explanation for low chances of graduation :P

good night

@ACuriousMind

John Rennie

In other news, my pushbike just died.

good night

3

:p

John Rennie

The rear axle broke. While I was cycling at some speed in fact.

ACuriousMind

18:29

@JohnRennie You had a self-aware pushbike?

Phase

@goodnight you coulda gone for "AnEmployedMind"

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie What's a pushbike?

ACuriousMind

@BernardoMeurer British for "bike" :P

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer 1970s English for bicycle

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie Oh god, are you okay??

good night

18:30

@Phase what's the difference?

Bernardo Meurer

I told you God would punish you for using Malware

Phase

@goodnight one gets paid money and the other is a grad student

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer actually the stones got a little bruised if I'm honest. It was a sudden deceleration.

Bernardo Meurer

Karma from installing windows on a computer yesterday

Phase

John Rennie and his testicles

John Rennie

18:31

But I survived, and I'm too old to start a family anyway.

Phase

the first drama I ever witnessed in the h-bar

John Rennie

But the Black Friday sales are still on in the UK even though Black Friday was last week.

So I have procured a replacement pushbike at nearly half price.

Still cost the same as a laptop though.

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie You have a family, me!

John Rennie

(admittedly you can't ride a laptop)

vzn

My own personal favourite is something along the lines of Verlinde's entropic gravity idea. but not actually advocating Verlinde o_O

John Rennie

18:33

You are all my family. OK, it's a disfunctional family, but you can't have everything :-)

Bernardo Meurer

Your renegade son who rejects his father's love for Windows

vzn

← competing to be most dysfunctional

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer the thing is that the development I did was all kernel/systems stuff.

Emilio Pisanty

@ACuriousMind don't blame that on British English

John Rennie

So when I speak of Windows I mean the core OS.

Emilio Pisanty

18:35

it's a ridiculous word no sensible person of a reasonable age would use

Balarka Sen

@ACuriousMind Aha, OK, got it

John Rennie

Over the years MS have layered a lot of pretty but stupid user mode stuff on top, but the core OS remains a brilliant piece of OS design.

Balarka Sen

I see @goodnight is making the god memes

I like the aestheticc of these memes

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie I am a kernel/systems guy!

See

John Rennie

The Windows subsystem for Linux stuff we have been playing with was engineered in as a core part of the design in 1992 - 25 years ago!!

Bernardo Meurer

18:37

Family

good night

who should i do next

Phase

What member of the family am I

Bernardo Meurer

@goodnight That's what she said

good night

@JohnRennie you're next just brainstorming some ideas

Bernardo Meurer

@Phase The cat

Phase

18:38

@BernardoMeurer for the lord's sake

John Rennie

@Phase hmm, borderline ...

Emilio Pisanty

@Phase Old comment, but BTW: yes, he was wrong. The states posited in EPR (as I understand it, but it's been a while since I thoroughly understood the details) are not entangled strongly enough, and they do admit a LHV interpretation. That is, EPR (as a paper) doesn't realize that there are stronger entanglements than what it proposes, so it is blind to the fact that there could be correlations that are not describable by LHV theories.

Bernardo Meurer

@Phase :P

Balarka Sen

reblace that by "Christs sake"

quick

Christian chat

Bernardo Meurer

@Phase This is a Christian chat need I remind you

Good

John Rennie

18:39

It's a make of rice wine. Made by that notorious oriental Hermann Fucks.

Phase

I'm sorry for faltering my brothers and sisters

Bernardo Meurer

I like how now this is a thing, lol

vzn

@EmilioPisanty the EPR paper was on momentum/ position with an atom. it was Bohm who translated it to spins.

Phase

@JohnRennie notorious oriental fucks

that seems borderline

Emilio Pisanty

@vzn precisely

the x/p configuration they treat does admit LHV models

as I understand it

vzn

18:40

@EmilioPisanty (he is rarely given much credit for that)

John Rennie

@Phase familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V4PG-9D3

Emilio Pisanty

@vzn ::shrug::

Phase

@JohnRennie ...

for god's sakes

vzn

@EmilioPisanty its probably nearly mathematically equivalent to the spin model in the formalism, that was Bohms idea.

John Rennie

@Phase I'm pretty certain God doesn't brew rice wine

Phase

18:41

I've never had it

Emilio Pisanty

@vzn ::shrug::

Phase

Is that Sake or whatever?

John Rennie

Sake

Sake (Japanese: 酒, IPA: SAH-keh), also spelled saké, (IPA: SAH-kay or American English SAH-kee) also referred to as a Japanese rice wine, is made by fermenting rice that has been polished to remove the bran. Unlike wine, in which alcohol (ethanol) is produced by fermenting sugar that is naturally present in fruit, typically grapes, sake is produced by a brewing process more akin to that of beer, where starch is converted into sugars which ferment into alcohol. The brewing process for sake differs from the process for beer in that, for beer, the conversion from starch to sugar and from sugar...

vzn

← shrugs HARDER

Bernardo Meurer

@vzn Stop acting like my cousin

0celo7

18:42

@BernardoMeurer ACM has banned that saying.

Emilio Pisanty

@JohnRennie you mean like this beer?

Phase

@JohnRennie I've heard it's strong

@EmilioPisanty ...

Bernardo Meurer

I'm not even talking to you and I'm getting annoyed

Phase

This is a Muslim chat

John Rennie

@EmilioPisanty :-)

Emilio Pisanty

18:43

@Phase so?

that is a legitimate beer that you can buy

Phase

Beer is forbidden

Emilio Pisanty

@ACuriousMind will confirm

'hell' is the standard name for pale ale in German

Fucking is a place

vzn

@BernardoMeurer he would probably fit right in here, is he in Brazil?

Emilio Pisanty

Fucking, Austria

Fucking (German pronunciation: [ˈfʊkɪŋ] ( listen), rhymes with "booking") is an Austrian village in the municipality of Tarsdorf, in the Innviertel region of western Upper Austria. The village is 33 kilometres (21 mi) north of Salzburg, 4 km (2.5 mi) east of the Inn river, which forms the German border. Despite having a population of only 104 in 2005, the village has drawn attention for its unusual place name in the English-speaking world. Its road signs are a popular visitor attraction, and they were often stolen by souvenir-hunting tourists until 2005, when the signs were modified to be theft...

Phase

::sigh::

Bernardo Meurer

18:44

@Phase I have baptised the chat as Christian, don't try and convert it I will Crusade

I atacc

good night

this is a physics chat

sheesh

Bernardo Meurer

@vzn He is a five year old child

vzn

← amazed someone with such high rep is continuing the joke o_O

Bernardo Meurer

Lol

Phase

@BernardoMeurer I declare this chat holy, and a part of the Islamic empire.

Balarka Sen

18:45

omg Emilio

Phase

You Christians just tried to steal it from us

vzn

lets beat a f---ing horse

Balarka Sen

this is so not christian

parvin

@EmilioPisanty we have a "fuck" village in Iran too !

Emilio Pisanty

@BalarkaSen fine, you can go from Petting to Wedding and then to Fucking, but it'll imply a lot of backtracking from Austria to Berlin and back

Balarka Sen

18:46

hahahahha

vzn

@EmilioPisanty sounds kinda like the 4 bases! o_O

Phase

@vzn they span love, over the Imaginary field

Because love is an illusion

John Rennie

I'm out of here before all this profanity attracts passing moderators. Well that and I have a book and a glass of beer calling my name.
Try not to get the chat room closed down in my absence :-)

Phase

$\huge{S a d b o i s}$

vzn

@Phase 1st base 2nd base 3rd base home run

Bernardo Meurer

18:47

MAYO

Emilio Pisanty

@JohnRennie ain't no profanity on my end

Phase

@vzn (1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0), (0,0,0,1) are also a valid choice of bases

vzn

all the mods are gone lets burn down the chat :P

Bernardo Meurer

Watch your profanity

►

Phase

mods are asleep post crank shit

John Rennie

18:48

It only takes one flag and you'll have all the mods you could ever wish for ...

Balarka Sen

I have been Christian all along

So not my fault

Emilio Pisanty

@JohnRennie if mods want to outlaw placenames, then I don't know what SE chat is coming to

=P

aaaaaand, there we go

John Rennie

Whoever flagged my comment that's a foolish thing to do.

You'll just be annoying mods and giving this chat room a bad name.

vzn

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie You kind of brought that one onto yourself :P

John Rennie

18:50

For heavens sake grow up.

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Balarka Sen

This chat has had enough lulz.

Bernardo Meurer

Are you like @0celo7? Does flagging give you more power?

Balarka Sen

Just make a hbar in discord and post all the 4chan humor there, people

Really

Phase

@BernardoMeurer I went on a road trip through a couple places hang on I find the names

Bernardo Meurer

@Phase Hm?

Phase

18:51

@BernardoMeurer U, Dick's Knob

Bernardo Meurer

Lol

Phase

ACuriousMind: --h bar has been moved to trash--

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Balarka Sen

lolol

vzn

@Phase lol that actually did happen by shog with a scifi chat room, speaking of SE lore o_O

Bernardo Meurer

I like being invited to trash

Phase

18:54

Wow. He really is a mysterious being

God works in mysterious ways

Balarka Sen

Yeah I remember the deletion of Sci-Fi chat

Phase

why did it get deleted?

Bernardo Meurer

Sometimes I can summon Shog, but it's usually not a good idea

Balarka Sen

It was out of control

Bernardo Meurer

@Shog9 I summon thee

vzn

18:54

epic! wish someone would write some kind of tribute. is there even a meta ref to it anywhere?

Balarka Sen

I wasn't following entirely but it was really bad

Bernardo Meurer

Yeah, they were much worse than we are

Sid

@Phase too much noise and too much swearing(I think)

Bernardo Meurer

And we can get pretty bad

vzn

@Phase afaict seemed to be 2 hoodlums trying to outdo each other with crap. that could never happen in here right? :P

Phase

18:56

I found a meta post

about Mos Eisley

Apparently the main sign that Shog9 saw that it was a terrible chatroom was then when someone brought up that the topic was disturbing for them, no-one in the room cared

vzn

@Phase yep thats the one. think its too bad because it was a very longrunning chat room for years.

@Phase what one might diplomatically call a "low empathy" crowd...

Balarka Sen

I have never understood what the purpose of Mos Eisley was. It was pure randomness

Like, hbar is physics and food and memes

That's fine

vzn

@BalarkaSen dude, they outdid everyone with memes, unrivalled/ legendary o_O

Balarka Sen

No they were normie memes

Not even a little bit funny

It was just random gifs from the internet

vzn

lol

Balarka Sen

18:59

They even made a bot to call the gifs

Phase

Memes are on a tightrope

vzn

that reminds me, is anyone gonna go see the new star wars? heard anything?

Phase

If there's no edge or controversy at all, where's the humour

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