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Adirian

16:00

I am confused by the "What would it look like"; do you mean on impact, or when it is approaching?

Usually that phrasing is used for objects near relativistic speed

Slereah

On impact it would look white

bc explosions in your eyes

Phase

@Slereah I thought on Explosions it would look like Heaven

because that's where you go

as long as you praise $\huge{\dagger}$

Slereah

not me

I'm immortal

Phase

What do you Praise?

The sun?

Future Historian

On impact.

Slereah

16:03

I've been alive for 30 years and haven't died once

Phase

Oh, I see. Do you just end up a melted puddle who is faintly conscious?

whoa

I've been alive for 19 years and died a couple times already :(

Slereah

I think by induction I can assume to be immortal

Adirian

Effectively, I think it would look like a meteor strike.

Future Historian

So, @Adirian. It is on impact.

Balarka Sen

how about praising the satan? N O T I C E M E S E N P A I N O T I C E M E

Future Historian

16:04

At least before the person ends up.....well, either dead, injured or PTSDed.

Phase

@BalarkaSen please never come back to Church

you are excommunicated

Future Historian

So, on impact, how does the bombardment look like as the rod hits the ground?

And as 11 kt of TNT are released, what does an observer experience prior to either imminent doom, injury or suffering PTSD?

Phase

Probably "why is there a really long pencil in the sky"

followed by [melting]

Future Historian

Well, is there a shockwave released, and earthquake?

Phase

I think it's a safe assumption a shockwave is a factor

Since all you need for a shockwave is an expanding wall of high pressure air

and explosions do that just by virtue of being explosions

Future Historian

16:10

At Mach 25, that would mean.....?

Phase

no clue

Future Historian

Well, Mach 25/8.5 km/s?

Well, it is going that fast on impact. And what about the earthquake?

Adirian

Given the speed, there would be a plume of fire in the sky, followed by an eruption of fiery debris led by a shockwave, which would create further debris and kill anything in a relatively small radius. Then, in a larger radius, the debris would rain down causing further damage, and probably fires. Given a city there might follow secondary explosions caused by gas lines and the like.

Future Historian

Especially when releasing 11 kt of TNT equivalent?

@Adirian. Multiply that by 40,000 of them?

0celo7

@Phase so why is MP3 so large

Phase

16:16

@0celo7 because it's downloading all the in game alcohol from BargainBooze

0celo7

I should delete F4

It’s taking like 150GB on my SSD

Phase

it's also trash

b o d i e d

0celo7

Nah the gameplay is really fun

Future Historian

So, that being said, what happens if 40,000 of them smash the surface of Earth over the course of a few retrograde over major cities, most air bases and nuclear silos?

Phase

@0celo7 sure, but the story and dialogue

are gayyyyyyyyyyyyy

Secret

16:20

O wow, we have WSE visitors

0celo7

@Phase that’s actually offensive.

Both to PC and Christian people.

Phase

@0celo7 ? I romanced MacCreedy

Slereah

Why not romance Strong instead

He's quite a hunk

John Rennie

@BalarkaSen I hope you'll like it, but if you're not enjoying reading it then stop - no-one's paying you to read it :-) Despite the title it contains zero references to The Wasteland.

Slereah

Strong is a huge bitch to get to like you because he only likes killing giant monsters and hates everything else

Balarka Sen

16:35

@JohnRennie Yeah, let's see if I enjoy it

Phase

@Slereah because unless you're a powerbottom it's not a good match

The ideal romance option is obviously Dogmeat

0celo7

Phase is awfully familiar with the gay terminology

Phase

@0celo7 It's a tactical error to not familiarise yourself with the terminology

"hey wanna be _____"
"ha ha that sounds fun idk what it is but sure"

Balarka Sen

e d g y

Phase

wait

whats edgy

Im not being edgy, I've been in some awkward social situations just from not being aware of conventions and terminology

also @0celo7 it aint just gay terminology, jeez. Get your mind out of your internet history

vzn

16:51

@JohnRennie found your comments very interesting. agreed dark matter is a great area of investigation/ research & that some major revision connected with GR/ gravity might be forthcoming, also like Verlindes ideas on emergence a lot. but ofc you know the origin of the term "paradigm shift" though right? seems to be "persona non grata" around here at times o_O :(

John Rennie

@vzn The thing is that I'm extremely careful about what I say. The problems I've pointed out are all well known, and I've been careful not to advocate Verlinde's theory because (a) it's purely phenomenological and (b) is doesn't work (yet).

That's why people don't round on me and accuse me of talking bollocks.

0celo7

17:10

@JohnRennie I’ll round you ;)

John Rennie

@0celo7 to be fair you generally only accuse me of talking bollocks when I am talking bollocks :-)

Phase

@JohnRennie I've never heard that before, what does "round on" mean?

Like, "gang up on"?

0celo7

@Phase think of rims!

maimslap

hello, is it sufficient to cover algebra and ode/pdes just in a math methods course ? or should I try to take individual courses for these? senior year undergrad here

Phase

@0celo7 w o t

0celo7

17:19

@Phase glazed donut holes

Adirian

@Phase It means a reversal of position; in the context, people shifting from respect to disrespect, probably. It is a reference to an interpersonal discussion where somebody switches sides.

0celo7

As long as I do it with another Christian Jesus will approve

Thomas Ward

sigh

Phase

@Adirian huh, fair.

Oh no what got flagged

Thomas Ward

Guys...

0celo7

17:21

Oh no. What was flagged?

Thomas Ward

change the topic.

Phase

what

Adirian

That's why I stick to pseudonymity. It isn't particularly strong - a determined person could figure out who I am, if they care to - but it does mean if I manage to trash my reputation I just start over.

Wallace Maxters

flag, guys?

0celo7

Lmao

Phase

17:22

I guess I got flagged

0celo7

Even when I speak in riddles I get flagged

Phase

@0celo7 I think it was me

Wallace Maxters

a flag summons creatures from other universes

i am from Brazil

Bye

Phase

is that how Shog9 entered the universe?

ACuriousMind

@user929304 Well, I have a month left but I don't think anything will come of it, although I have some very rough drafts on QM and gauge theories lying around :P

@Slereah The sudden appearance of a lot of algebraic and differential geometry is quite different from standard QFT

Future Historian

17:26

I am alive.

What did I miss?

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Ah, I usuallly recommend Player of Games as the first one to read, but it doesn't really matter which one you start with

Phase

0celo7 alluding to unchristian things and a flag @FutureHistorian

0celo7

@ACuriousMind is there actually any differential geometry

Adirian

@FutureHistorian Your death, at the very least.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I see Jost posts some diffgeo related to string theory

ACuriousMind

17:28

@0celo7 There's stuff like the analytic/Ray-Singer torsion, for example

Adirian

A good thing to keep missing.

Future Historian

Not that!

Phase

@Adirian depends on your philosophy

Future Historian

I meant as in: any updates on t-. looks at question Oh.

John Rennie

@Phase picture someone standing nearby, hearing something you said and turning round to confront you. That's the image the phrase round on is meant to convey.

good night

17:30

the meta for the memes used in this chat is really old and lame.

y'all living 3 months in the past

0celo7

@ACuriousMind what’s that

Phase

@JohnRennie Ah I see, so like talking about putting cream before jam on a scone, in any sensible part of the world

0celo7

I don’t like the sound of torsion

Phase

You'd get justifiably beaten up

Adirian

Hm. Has anybody figured out a conversion factor between time and space units? I/e, a second is equivalent to X meters.

John Rennie

17:35

@Adirian $c$

Phase

If you mean numerically you can use the speed of light

what JR said : p

0celo7

@JohnRennie isn’t the speed of light variable?

Phase

@JohnRennie legitimate question from a brit to another: what order do you make your scones

and how do you pronounce "scone"

John Rennie

@0celo7 the coordinate speed is certainly variable. The four velocity of light is of course undefined anyway :-)

@Phase I rhyme scone with on not own. I rarely eat scones, and when I do it's just with butter so I'm not fussed about what you do with cream and jam as long as it's not illegal/you don't do it in public :-)

Phase

@JohnRennie Scowns.. With butter...? good lord

@MarkBooth was something flagged

John Rennie

17:39

@Phase don't round on me! :-)

Sir Cumference

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0celo7

@JohnRennie so the definition of meter is variable

JD might have been right...

John Rennie

@0celo7 I'm not sure where this is going. A proper length of 1m is the same for all observers and most certainly not variable. If you choose some crappy coordinate system you can claim a proper length of 1m isn't 1m in your coordinates (as JD does) but that's a facile claim.

Secret

Injecting some philosophy to form an existential crisis:

47

Q: Physical meaning of the Lebesgue measure

Question (informal) Is there an empirically verifiable scientific experiment that can empirically confirm that the Lebesgue measure has physical meaning beyond what can be obtained using just the Jordan measure? Specifically, is there a Jordan non-measurable but Lebesgue-measurable subset of ...

mp.mathematical-physics lebesgue-measure

A good reference whenever we had any future debates on what maths has physical meaning

vzn

@JohnRennie fine but seems like playing semantics to say youre "not advocating" Verlindes theory.

parvin

17:50

hi! i've got a question about electrical field and conductors

i know that inside a conductor (if is a closed object) there is no electrical field

and all the charges are on the surface

ACuriousMind

@Phase Could we perhaps stay away from using "(un)christian" as a moral descriptor in a joking manner? I get that you bear no ill intent, but it can feel unwelcoming to actually religious people to use it as such, especially given that there's a large variety in the actual moral views of people identifying as Christians.

parvin

why is that? is that like the conductor has first reached equilibrium and then we have charged its surface again or is there any other reason?

John Rennie

@vzn read what I wrote. That's very different from parroting the latest sensationalist tripe from the popular science press.

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Well, I don't know much more about it than that some path integrals actually compute that torsion, just something I recalled of the top of my head :D

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Path integrals? What is the chance that's rigorous :P

vzn

17:53

@JohnRennie did read what you wrote. bye

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 None, but that doesn't mean it doesn't appear

@parvin Cf. e.g. physics.stackexchange.com/q/22773/50583 and its linked questions

Phase

@vzn you seem to have some aggression problems

Chill out and stop with the passive aggression

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie Cool :)

Phase

everyone's friendly here

except 0celo7

just stay away from him he's a bad egg

0celo7

@BernardoMeurer goodbye

lmao

I'm clairvoyant

John Rennie

17:55

@BernardoMeurer it really works!

vzn

@Phase you seem to have some comprehension problems.

good night

wait why was bernardo mad?

i'm out of the loop

0celo7

No idea

Phase

@vzn feel free to explain them

0celo7

@Phase you really think I'm unfriendly ;(

Phase

17:56

@0celo7 only at first ;P

0celo7

@goodnight "I don't know"

ACuriousMind

@goodnight I think he wanted to make a joke about everyone being friendly and chose to do so in a rather unwise manner.

Phase

wait

No way

Is he chatbanned

0celo7

"It's early morning"

@Phase he is

@ACuriousMind can you unban him?

good night

@ACuriousMind that's ironic on so many levels

Phase

17:57

Berrrrrrnaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrdoooooooooooooo

0celo7

he was clearly kidding

it's the intent that matters

Phase

I wasn't offended at all

vzn

@Phase my feeling is there is ("intellectual") aggression by others in here. so one might call it an "attributional" issue eh?

Phase

@vzn how do you define "intellectual aggression"

Impatience with repeating things?

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 No, telling another user to "fuck off" is not acceptable, even in jest. We've had this discussion about being mean to each other in an ironic way already several times.

good night

17:58

well @ACuriousMind banned me for being facetious and also takes all my roleplay sarcasm at face value.

vzn

@Phase you used the term "aggression".

Phase

@vzn and you modified it with "intellectual"

So I'm asking what "intellectual aggression" means

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Does a perfect pairing regard $V\times W$ or $V\otimes W$? Does it even matter?

ACuriousMind

@goodnight I don't take everything at face value but certain jokes you'd make in private with people you know well don't transmit well to a general audience and are thus not appropriate for a public chat such as this.

good night

@ACuriousMind I said I was sorry. :(

r we cool now :D

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