The h Bar

John Rennie

18:00

I have to confess today's lunch came out of a box (actually several boxes)

0celo7

@JohnRennie wow

jk, I like box stuff

I then put some green stuff in there to make it better

lılostafa

Is eating really worth all that effort?

0celo7

probably not

John Rennie

One of the local supermarkets had an offer on party food so I bought a load of that. Some of it was very good. The cheese and fresh chilli in breadcrumbs was very nice.

lılostafa

From a reductionist viewpoint, you just need to receive the essential nutrients, in the simplest, quickest and easiest way possible

0celo7

18:02

@lılostafa I enjoy cooking

I could probably get this teriyaki from the asian place around the corner, but I want to make it myself

John Rennie

Noooooooooooooooooooo DON'T STAR THAT :-)

Anonymous

No, not even that. "in vitro"

0celo7

@JohnRennie It's the best way to get the golden brown crust

John Rennie

We're all going o get banned :-)

lılostafa

If we stand together to the end no one can ban us!

John Rennie

18:05

Sadly that is untrue :-)

Anonymous

Let's all get banned together. That'll be fun.

ACuriousMind

::ahem::

Anonymous

Lol

John Rennie

Uh oh

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Do you need a lozenge?

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Jeez, John got banned

Anonymous

18:08

Gosh

lılostafa

@0celo7 How do you know?

Anonymous

Someone even flagged John

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Are you taking his owner privileges?

Anonymous

@lılostafa Check his chat profile

lılostafa

@0celo7 Room ownership is a higher privilage than modship

This room is John's property.

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0celo7

18:12

he is not the original owner

one of the mods is

John Rennie

18:37

And I only popped in to see what was going on while I was waiting to bid for something on eBay. Oh well :-)

Anonymous

:/

John Rennie

I knew my weakness for smutty humour would get me in trouble one day :-)

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Laptop, again?

John Rennie

Yes, but it's selling for more than I think it's worth so I'll let it go.

Anonymous

Pheeeeewwwww

John Rennie

18:41

Sunday evening is a bad time to buy on eBay as lots of people seem to be around and willing to spend money at the weekend.

This one

If you want a powerful laptop it is an absolute steal. It's a quad core eight thread i7 and my guess is it will sell for around £200. Ridiculous price for that much power.

0celo7

wtf

Anonymous

£200 is a pretty good deal

0celo7

too bad non-Apple laptops don't look good. They don't ever match my shoes and handbag

Anonymous

I guess I should buy my next laptop from ebay

Anonymous

@0celo7 Malware

John Rennie

18:44

I'm basically your standard nerd when it comes to computers. I don't care what they look like as long as they're fast.

@Blue it depends what you want. eBay is a good way to get a very powerful laptop for little money, but it will be heavier and with a shorter battery life, and of course with no warranty.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Heavy is fine. How long do they last (approx) without having to repair?

0celo7

@Blue OSX is less malwareful than Windows.

Heavy is fine until you experience what a light laptop is like

John Rennie

@Blue well yours is what, six or seven years old?

Anonymous

@0celo7 Everything can be got for free on Windows

0celo7

@Blue Windows itself is malware.

I have no idea what "got for free" means

If you mean piracy...just stop.

Anonymous

18:48

@JohnRennie Mine is 3.5 years old. The previous one lasted 10 years. Both are Dell laptops.

John Rennie

@Blue Three years old? What model is it?

Mithrandir24601

@0celo7 It means that whoever got something for free was using some form of Linux :)

0celo7

@Mithrandir24601 Does Linux have free legal Mathematica?

Mithrandir24601

@0celo7 I doubt it somehow :/

Anonymous

@JohnRennie This E4310

Anonymous

18:50

(Latitude model)

Anonymous

@0celo7 Duh

John Rennie

The E4310 was released in 2011. Are you sure about that three years old bit? :-)

Mithrandir24601

@Blue 10 years is... Impressive - how much do you use it?

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Well, unless my father bought it from some second hand source, I'm pretty sure. I got it in class 10th

John Rennie

@blue, go to this URL and click the Change Product link then type in your service code. The page will tell you when your laptop was made.

Anonymous

18:52

@JohnRennie Where do I find my service code?

John Rennie

The service tag is written on the bottom of the laptop.

0celo7

On a Mac, it will tell you when it was made. This service is only $999.99.

Anonymous

@Mithrandir24601 Quite heavy usage. It had Windows XP

John Rennie

Usually there's a white label with a bar code, and the service tag is written on that label.

0celo7

@Mithrandir24601 I am actually the most multicultural person here. I have a Mac and PC, and run Linux.

Mithrandir24601

18:53

@Blue Nice! :) None of my family have ever managed to have a laptop last more than 5 years or a desktop more than about 7

0celo7

I also built the PC myself (John helped with seating the CPU)

Mithrandir24601

@0celo7 That's great, but why do you have a Mac?

John Rennie

For the record Apple build awesome hardware. They have forced the rest of the industry to really pick up their game.

0celo7

It's a great laptop

Mithrandir24601

@JohnRennie They just overcharge for it :P

Anonymous

18:55

Anonymous

Oh lol. All my labels are torn and tattered

0celo7

dear god

and that is why macs are great

Mithrandir24601

@Blue :o

John Rennie

@Blue Ah, the white label has been torn off. You can just see the end of it towards the bottom left of the picture.

Anonymous

Ya :'D

Anonymous

18:57

I've been using it continuously for last 3.5 years and carry it everywhere with me

Anonymous

So that's expected

John Rennie

OK, restart the PC then as soon as the round Dell logo appears press F2 repeatedly until it says Entering setup. When you get into the BIOS setup one of the first few pages will tell you what the tag is. Press escape to exit the BIOS setup and restart back into Windows.

0celo7

ACuriousMind

@Blue What the heck did you do with that laptop?

0celo7

Same usage amount

But we've already established I'm careful with my stuff

Anonymous

18:59

@ACuriousMind Oh, the monitor is touching the desk. I just tilted the laptop

Anonymous

That's the bottom part you're seeing

Mithrandir24601

Yeah... The equivalent [read: worse] macbook pro is about £1k more than my laptop...

ACuriousMind

Yeah, I realized that. Still, you don't seem to care particularly what you put your laptop on ;)

John Rennie

@Mithrandir24601 Macs have a premium for the designer cachet, but then it's not Apple's fault people are willing to pay the premium.

0celo7

@JohnRennie There you go again

Why do you have to say "designer"

John Rennie

19:01

And to be fair if you're going to have something aspirational in your life a laptop is not a bad way to do it :-)

0celo7

they just look better

that's it

nothing "designer" about it

Mithrandir24601

@JohnRennie It is apple's fault for setting that premium though. It does annoy me a bit, as if they didn't have that insane extra cost, I'd actually probably rather like them

John Rennie

@0celo7 I'm a bit surprised to hear you say that. Apple are clearly a design led company.

0celo7

@JohnRennie That's different than "designer"

You're doing that thing where you compare them to fashion accessories

John Rennie

I disagree. Macs are aspirational products.

They are no more functional than every other Intel based laptop.

People buy them for the cachet of owning a Mac.

(I'm generalising not pointing the finger at you)

0celo7

19:04

I don't know any Mac user who thinks like that

You're generalizing based on zero data

Anonymous

This video summarizes my feelings towards Apple products.

0celo7

My entire family uses Macs, and none of us give a shit what other people think about our computer buying habits

John Rennie

But I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Apple sell a lot of Macs so they make things people want.

Mithrandir24601

@JohnRennie Or they have a specific needs that tends to require software that people tend to specifically program for macs

John Rennie

@Mithrandir24601 Indeed, though that isn't such a big deal these days.

rob

19:06

@JohnRennie I bought a Mac because I wanted a Unix machine where I didn't have to sacrifice a goat to get printing to work.

John Rennie

In the early days if you wanted to run Illustrator or Quark a Mac was the only option.

Bernardo Meurer

What's Quark?

John Rennie

QuarkXPress

QuarkXPress is desktop publishing software for creating and editing complex page layouts in a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) environment. It runs on macOS and Windows. It was first released by Quark, Inc. in 1987 and is still owned and published by them. The most recent version, QuarkXPress 2017 (internal version number 13.0), allows publishing in English ("International and U.S.") and 36 other languages, including Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, German, Korean, Russian, French, and Spanish. QuarkXPress is used by individual designers, large publishing houses and corporates to produce...

Back in the day it was the market leading software for any serious publishing house.

Bernardo Meurer

WYSIWYG, ewh

Why not just use LaTeX?

Anonymous

LaTeX wasn't invented yet

0celo7

19:08

LaTeX is literally the worst program ever

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer Whereas Linux specialises in What You Get Is What You Deserve :-)

Mithrandir24601

@Blue The Hans Zimmer music bit is pretty funny :)

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie Exactly!

Anonymous

@Mithrandir24601 :D

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer have you ever encountered a unix editor called TECO?

Bernardo Meurer

19:11

@JohnRennie Hmm, I have not!

WAIT

I've heard that name

John Rennie

Its command syntax is so arcane the usual challenge was to type in your name as a command and try and guess what it would do :-)

Bernardo Meurer

Was that what EMACS was called and then it changed to EMACS?

lol

John Rennie

TECO (text editor)

TECO (; originally an acronym for [paper] Tape editor and corrector, but later Text editor and corrector, then Text editor character oriented) is a text editor originally developed at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in the 1960s, after which it was modified by many other people. TECO was a direct ancestor of Emacs, which was originally implemented in TECO macros. == Description and impact == TECO is not only an editor but also an interpreted programming language for text manipulation. Arbitrary programs (called "macros") for searching and modifying text give it great power. Unlike...

dmckee

@BernardoMeurer No, but it is fun to backronym emacs.

Bernardo Meurer

God that looks horrible

dmckee

19:13

These days "eight-megs and constantly swapping" is both and understatement and lacks the punch it used to have, but its still my favorite.

John Rennie

Bernardo Meurer

Hehehehe

I love you guys

John Rennie

Well you know, children like dinosaurs :-)

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0celo7

Association for Computing Machinery

The Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) is an international learned society for computing. It was founded in 1947 and is the world's largest scientific and educational computing society. It is a not-for-profit professional membership group. Its membership is more than 100,000 as of 2011. Its headquarters are in New York City. The ACM is an umbrella organization for academic and scholarly interests in computer science. Its motto is "Advancing Computing as a Science & Profession". == Activities == ACM is organized into over 171 local chapters and 37 Special Interest Groups (SIGs), through...

Holy shit I found the people who run @ACuriousMind

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Bernardo Meurer

@dmckee EMACS is too complicated IMHO. For the quick edits I usually do VIM serves well

@0celo7 Their periodical is great!

"Communications of the ACM"

ACuriousMind

19:16

One of the fastest 6 stars on a message I've ever seen :P

Mithrandir24601

@ACuriousMind Do you happen to be better at chess than any human ever?

ACuriousMind

@Mithrandir24601 lol, not by a far shot, no

Mithrandir24601

@ACuriousMind I've seen faster :P

Bernardo Meurer

@ACuriousMind REVIEW MY ESSAY (please)

Mithrandir24601

@ACuriousMind Hmm... so you're not Deep Blue... Or so you claim...

Bernardo Meurer

19:18

Deep Blue is a shit computer for today's standard

ACuriousMind

@BernardoMeurer Uh, okay? Where is it?

Bernardo Meurer

@ACuriousMind What's your geegle email

0celo7

At a minimum, $\Delta f$ has what sign?

Positive

hmm

ACuriousMind

@BernardoMeurer Initial of my first name + . + my last name (umlaut = base vowel + e) + gmail.com

0celo7

@ACuriousMind wtf, how come I didn't get your gmail

is Bernardo better than me?

Bernardo Meurer

19:23

@ACuriousMind Sent

I only had his gmx before

0celo7

yeah me too

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Actually, you got the email address I use more, but for some reason BM asked for the google email :P

0celo7

@ACuriousMind he wants to google docs it to you

ACuriousMind

Yeah, I see

0celo7

aka MALWARE

Bernardo Meurer

19:24

MALWARE indeed

I'll have to whip my back 50 times, brb

0celo7

@BernardoMeurer if you come to VA I will give you shankar

Bernardo Meurer

A flight to VA is like 500 bucks

I don't have that much money dude

0celo7

ride a bike

Anonymous

Are trains cheaper there (than flights)?

0celo7

that would be a loooooooong train ride

Anonymous

19:33

That's fine. He can sleep throughout

0celo7

ok @BernardoMeurer ?

do I tell people you're coming or not

Bernardo Meurer

No, I'm not coming because I can't afford it

0celo7

did you check trains

(I have no idea how those work in this country)

Bernardo Meurer

It's a $400 train ride as well

0celo7

yikes

lılostafa

19:44

@BernardoMeurer Start a GoFundMe campaign for your trip here: gofundme.com/travel-fundraising

That would %100 work

Anonymous

That's nice. Did you try it before?

Anonymous

I think it's difficult to get funding unless you have a good(emotional) story to tell

lılostafa

Not myself but have seen others do it successfully

people who didn't really need it but, as you said, had a rather good story

Anonymous

For example "Bernardo and 0celo are long lost brothers separated at birth and now don't have money to meet" Something like that

lılostafa

For example, help us attend the $X$ scientific meeting, or the $Y$ Karate competitions...

Here, "help Bernardo visit his best friend in VA, and get a copy of Shankar from him" could work, as it's only $400

dmckee

19:56

@0celo7 On most lines amtrack costs as much as flying and takes a day or more longer.

Anonymous

Here I can travel from one end of the country to another end for just $100

Anonymous

Everything seems to be costlier in the US

CooperCape

I keep on thinking I'm one year older than I am rip

Anonymous

20:18

@CooperCape I don't even remember my age most of the time

Anonymous

I get confused between 17,18 and 19

Mithrandir24601

@Blue I'm the same - I'll sometimes ask people what year it is as well...

David Z

20:54

@dmckee 3 days for a cross-country trip

CooperCape

21:17

@Blue I'm just shiftin' between 16&17.

0celo7

@JohnRennie Oh my goooooooood does slow cooking just turn everything into butter?

Mithrandir24601

I think the fastest way for me to guess my age is sometimes remember the year I was born, then try and figure out what year it is now, based on how many years it was since I started undergrad...

Of course, I'm going to forget how many years it's been soon, so I'm going to need to think of something else

lılostafa

21:32

$10m bounty for any information leading to Trump's impeachment.

@Blue strange

Anonymous

@lılostafa Oh, don't say. Last week in a test I completed my whole CS paper neatly (and fully). After submitting it I realized that I hadn't written my name/roll no on the answer script. :'D

Anonymous

The professor was good and later on allowed me to visit his office to write my name/roll no

Anonymous

I'm forgetful af

lılostafa

@0celo7 Isn't pirating malware better than paying for malware, which further encourages and empowers its developers against the open source community?

0celo7

21:52

@lılostafa the phrase "malware" is overused in this chat

0celo7

22:44

@JohnRennie Disgustingly good

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