The h Bar

Balarka Sen

15:00

@0celo7 I know (well, "know") the conditions that need to hold for Fubini's theorem. My point was just that iterated integrals are a thing.

Anonymous

Apparently Person s = new Student("Jose",12345) and Student s = new Student("Jose",12345) gives the exact same result

John Rennie

OK, you can assign Student object to a Person variable because Student is a subclass of Person. However the object is a Student not a Person and when toString is invoked it will be the Student.toString function that is called.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Oooo "assign Student object to a Person variable because Student". Now it makes sense :D!

Anonymous

Thanks

Slereah

Why is there so much causality theorems

I could write a whole book on just that

user228700

15:08

Has anybody tried downloading Road Rash for free?

Balarka Sen

That game reminds of old times.

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H were you thinking of trying one of the various emulators to run it?

user228700

...I don't know.

Just win baby

Stay away from gaming, it's too addictive.

Anonymous

Why would someone try to download a 15 year old game? :P

Balarka Sen

15:11

Because it's good.

user228700

^

Anonymous

Heh :D

Anonymous

I don't remember when I last played a video game

user228700

@JohnRennie I've downloaded it but I'm unable to find which file to run to set up the game :-/

Anonymous

I have an allergy towards video games :P

Balarka Sen

15:12

I gave up on games a few years ago

John Rennie

@Blue there is some entertainment value in playing the old console games, although i find it rather limited.

Balarka Sen

can't get myself to play another afterwards

user228700

I've never actively played many video games; I used to play GTA Vice City at my uncle's place now and then but that was all...

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H where did you download it? Have you got the link? I ask so I can have a look and see exactly what it is you have downloaded.

user228700

And Road Rash as well, when I was about 5 or 6.

user228700

15:13

@JohnRennie Here.

Balarka Sen

RoX is another old school, but good, game.

user228700

Don't know that one.

Just win baby

Once you get into RPG you're hooked.

user228700

And the stupid movie website won't allow me to see what movies are playing in theatres near me:

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H I suspect you'll struggle to get that to run on Windows 7 x64.

user228700

15:18

user228700

@JohnRennie :'-( OK.

Balarka Sen

Local blockbusters are total crap so that's good anyway

AccidentalFourierTransform

"2048" lol

user228700

@BalarkaSen My aim is to get out of this room.

user228700

@AccidentalFourierTransform Stress buster :-P

AccidentalFourierTransform

15:20

I dont remember my record

probably 4096

Balarka Sen

There are better ways to get out of this room than watching local blockbusters...

but ok

Anonymous

@BernardoMeurer Did you participate in GSoC (or planning to participate) ? I'm not very sure of the procedure, but would I have to select an organization and stick to it (and prepare myself accordingly) or can I apply to several of them depending on my skills (for example Java, Algorithms, etc..) ?

Bernardo Meurer

@Blue I have not, even though every year someone tells me to. You select as many as you want, write an application to each and wait

user228700

@BalarkaSen Dude, no, this room as in the one in which my physical self is residing. The room in my house.

Bernardo Meurer

Then you must pick one (only one I think) and that's that

ACuriousMind

15:21

@JohnRennie Well, DosBox works perfectly fine on Win7

Balarka Sen

oh. well that's a sad endeavor

Just win baby

Go for a walk @Kaumudi.H

user228700

The roads are congested. I try to cycle but that too quickly gets quite boring.

Just win baby

try a jog at a park

Anonymous

@BernardoMeurer Oh I see. Is it worth participating in it though? Does it improve one's skills ? I found it interesting (like coding for CERN and all) but also don't want to spend too much on it.

user228700

15:23

@Justwinbaby No park within 5 Kms of my house.

Balarka Sen

dig an underground beneath your floors and bury yourself there for 40 years

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H: I might (allegedly) have copies of Doom and Quake that will run on your laptop. Though this may not be your type of game.

user228700

@BalarkaSen Sounds awesome. Brb.

Bernardo Meurer

@Blue It's a great CV boost, and you can get a lot of good experience

John Rennie

:: 40 years later ... ::

Bernardo Meurer

15:25

Although I'd recommend going into it with some solid background already

Just win baby

lol

Bernardo Meurer

Alas I haven't done it, so take my opinion with a grain of salt

Balarka Sen

@JohnRennie you end up becoming Dostoyevsky or something

or simply die

Just win baby

We all die.

user228700

@JohnRennie I'll take 'em both, give video games a try.

Balarka Sen

15:26

or you turn into a cockroach, and recite Kafka

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H you like games that are basically nothing but gratuitous violence? :-)

user228700

@JohnR: Actually, on second thought, give me a moment to decide which one I want...

user228700

@JohnRennie I don't mind them at all :-P

Just win baby

Typical women's decision

;-)

John Rennie

@Justwinbaby be nice now ...

user228700

15:28

Oh, wait, would I need a mouse to play these games? I don't think I have one...

ACuriousMind

@Justwinbaby What is that supposed to mean?

Just win baby

Ask google.

user228700

So incredibly scientific.

ACuriousMind

@Kaumudi.H Yes, for shooters like John proposed you would need a mouse, it's horrible to play these with a trackpad

user228700

> The researchers attempted to draw energy from Hell in order to solve an energy crisis on Earth using the Argent Tower, which siphons energy from Hell and allows travel to and from there.

user228700

15:30

Hmm, I may be able to steal one from my mum's PC...

ACuriousMind

If you don't have a mouse, enjoyable options are somewhat limited...I tend to play stuff like Nethack or Dungeon Crawl when I don't have a mouse, but I have no idea whether you'd like these.

user228700

No problem, I'll steal my mum's! Thanks!

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform random raccoon fact:

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H gchat ...

AccidentalFourierTransform

@EmilioPisanty I dont get it

why the peaks?

ACuriousMind

15:34

@EmilioPisanty What happened in late 2016???

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform I went to wolframalpha.com/input/?i=raccoons+love+mathematica out of curiosity and it's in those results

Balarka Sen

probably some raccoon meme or something

those go viral

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform there's obviously been a few highly disturbing raccoon news stories over the years

or a meme, yes

AccidentalFourierTransform

"raccoons love mathematica" hahaha

Just win baby

hbr.org/2013/09/how-women-decide

@ACuriousMind

Emilio Pisanty

15:40

@BalarkaSen you're probably right

Raccoon plays with bubbles

►

published a day before the spike

top of google for April 2017

I was thinking it'd be some crazy "raccoon eats baby" story or some such

John Rennie

not me

ACuriousMind

:38535694 I kicked you because you were evidently not trying to participate in any sort of constructive conversation.

AccidentalFourierTransform

it was me. I dont like you.

Balarka Sen

@EmilioPisanty ¯_(ツ)_/¯

AccidentalFourierTransform

boy, doom was such a great game

I "wasted" so much time on that game

John Rennie

15:43

Doom and Doom II are surprisingly entertaining games.

AccidentalFourierTransform

I never got past a scene where everything becomes dark

Emilio Pisanty

@BalarkaSen I'm rather glad it was more along this

than along this

John Rennie

The quality of the graphics is obviously pathetic compared to modern games, but for sheer entertainment value I think they are still up there.

AccidentalFourierTransform

d'do d'do d'do do do do, come on, Rocky boy

Just win baby

What do you mean by "constructive" conversation? @ACuriousMind more importantly what are we "constructing"?

Balarka Sen

15:45

We are constructing constructions.

Just win baby

Constructively.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Need some help with this one (paste.ofcode.org/qX4ZGy3aSc97HXkvVSSzJ9). "c1.a" is assigned the value "2" after "c2=c1". Then when we print "c2.a" why does it output the value "2" and not "10" as the object "c2" should be having the parameters of the initial "c1" and not of the final "c1" (i.e. after c1.a=2) ?

ACuriousMind

@Justwinbaby You were unwilling to explain what you meant by a statement whose ambiguity must have been obvious to you and replied with the rather rude "Ask google", which is completely pointless when the question is what you, personally meant by one of your statements.

Since you have repeatedly shown this pattern of evading any sort of question directed at you asking you to explain yourself, I considered it time to make it clear that that's not acceptable behaviour if you want to have a conversation with other people.

Just win baby

You're taking this way too personally pal.

ACuriousMind

Or, at least, not if you want to have such a conversation here.

Emilio Pisanty

15:49

@Justwinbaby Not particularly, no. ACM is acting rather reasonably as required of moderators.

There'd be grounds for saying he's taking things personally if the initial conversation had been with him, but it wasn't.

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie 16GB of RAM is not enough

John Rennie

@Blue: I don't know java, but I suspect that your variables c1 and c2 are effectively pointers to objects. So when you set c2=c1 you make both variables point to the same object.

Emilio Pisanty

Take ACM's points under advisement, consider them seriously, and move on.

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer I don't think you can get any more RAM in a E6530.

Bernardo Meurer

amazon.com/Crucial-16GBx2-PC4-19200-Unbuffered-260-Pin/dp/…

@JohnRennie No?

Oh wait

that's DDR4

Balarka Sen

15:51

Ok, I have a possible suggestion for a constructive conversation: "How does one decide constructiveness of a conversation?". But I would rather like to discuss if that conversation, if conducted, will be constructive. Would that discussion in turn be constructive?

Bernardo Meurer

Fuck

amazon.com/Crucial-16GBx2-PC3L-12800-204-Pin-SODIMM/dp/…

@JohnRennie Bam

ACuriousMind

@BernardoMeurer What are you doing that you're running out of RAM?

John Rennie

Even if you could get 16GB modules of the correct spec the E6530 may not recognise them.

Anonymous

11

A: What happens when an object is assigned to another object

What I understand is the system will just copy the values of e1 instance into e2 instance. No, when you do e2 = e1 you're copying object references - you're not making a copy of the object - and so the variables e1 and e2 will both point to the same object. And so when you do your increment...

Anonymous

Yep! That's it! :D

Bernardo Meurer

15:52

@ACuriousMind If I say I get arrested

Just win baby

Let it go @BalarkaSen

ACuriousMind

@BernardoMeurer Ah, potatoes it is, then.

Balarka Sen

@Justwin I don't understand what that means. Don't speak in non-sequiturs.

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer that would be an expensive experiment if you discovered that the E6530 only saw the modules as 8GB each ...

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie True :/

John Rennie

15:55

You need one of the Dell Precision laptop range. They can take up to 64GB RAM.

Bernardo Meurer

I wish I had 128GB of RAM

My life would be easier

@JohnRennie Oh yeah that would be sweet

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/07/…

John Rennie

Unfortunately even four year old Precisions cost a bomb on eBay. They are much sought after laptops.

Bernardo Meurer

@EmilioPisanty Oh man what a nice machine

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer it's a bit chunky for me

but it does look nice

John Rennie

15:56

@BernardoMeurer I bought a Precision M6700 with 16GB RAM and the same CPU as your E6530. It has a badly scratched lid and a slightly bent case, and it still cost me £325. Good condition ones go for £600.

Bernardo Meurer

@EmilioPisanty I like them like that, these laptops are indestructible

@JohnRennie Uff, harsh

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer to each their own

John Rennie

The Precision laptops are built like tanks. They last forever.

Dell Precisions on ebay

I keep that search to hand in case any cheap ones appear :-)

Balarka Sen

laptop-bourgeois

Just win baby

@BalarkaSen it means the convo has turned from "constructive" to "destructive."

Emilio Pisanty

16:00

@BernardoMeurer my laptop weighs 1.82 kg

that thing is like twice the weight

John Rennie

@BalarkaSen absolutely not. These are your working man's laptops.

Balarka Sen

stalin sends you to gulag for being a laptop enthusiast

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H bored with Doom already?

user228700

@JohnR: Is this game supposed to have most bad guys already dead? And also, this character just keeps on shooting without me specifically directing him to.

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Doom has lots of corpses scattered around as part of the scenery.

Jaime Gallego

16:02

@BalarkaSen This is not the 40s anymore...

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie How much does mine weight?

user228700

And what about this shooting thing? I lost all my ammo because this idiot kept shooting at walls for no reason at all!

John Rennie

You shouldn't be continually shooting. You press the control key or the left mouse button to shoot.

user228700

...neither of which I did.

Jaime Gallego

Return of the Soviet Union (NovoUSSR)

►

John Rennie

16:03

@Kaumudi.H If you try it without the mouse does it still continually shoot?

Bernardo Meurer

@EmilioPisanty Kind of lame that it can only come with Maxwell Quadro cards :/

For that price I want Pascal

user228700

@JohnRennie Yeah, I'd been playing with the mouse.

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H what if you disconnect the mouse and just use the keyboard?

user228700

...haven't tried that yet.

Balarka Sen

@JaimeGallego Cracked out loud at Lenin's resurrection

Jaime Gallego

16:05

Oh lordy, I just received my books.

user228700

And what sort of game doesn't allow you to jump?!

Balarka Sen

dear old Komrad Ilyich Ulyanov

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H As I recall you don't need to jump to play it.

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer no idea what you're talking about, but sure, totally lame

Bernardo Meurer

@EmilioPisanty GPU's from Nvidia have their names after people. Current gen is Pacal, next gen is Volta, last gen is Maxwell

Quadro is their line of work cards, Dell only has Quadro M, not Quadro P for the laptop

i.e. last gen stuff

user228700

16:08

@JohnRennie ...wokay but there are all these places I could jump. Oh, well. I'll continue on, then.

Bernardo Meurer

and the performance, and specially efficiency, difference between Maxwell and Pascal is very meaningful

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer it's a laptop

tradeoffs is the name of the game

Bernardo Meurer

But there is no trade here

Pascal is the same price, it's faster, and it's more energy efficient

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H let me dig out my test W7 machine and I'll check the shooting.

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

Jaime Gallego

16:14

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H I've just tried Doom 1 and with the default config it only fires on the left mouse button. For some reason it must be thinking you're holding the left mouse button down.

Jaime Gallego

The Astrodynamics one has horrendous typesetting

Just win baby

Pardon my comment @Kaumudi.H I misread your comment upon review.

Bernardo Meurer

@EmilioPisanty @JohnRennie The new XPS line is really nice too

Just win baby

Dang small screens :-)

John Rennie

16:15

The XPS range tends to be more gaming oriented.

The Precisions are business oriented so they have no frills, just as much power as possible.

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie I think they strike a good balance

Balarka Sen

"The Dictator's Handbook"

+1

Just win baby

Why?

+1

Jaime Gallego

Avert your eyes

Just win baby

Have you read The Art of War? @BalarkaSen

Jaime Gallego

16:19

Balarka Sen

no

Just win baby

check it out

John Rennie

Crimes against typography!

Balarka Sen

i am not really into non-literary books

Jaime Gallego

This book was quite influential though. They called it the BMW, because Bate-Mueller-White.

Just win baby

16:21

Cool name

user228700

@JohnR: Thanks! It doesn't randomly shoot anymore but I am tired of it already; quite monotonous. Nothing but shooting bad guys and gaining ammo/health!

John Rennie

Nothing but shooting bad guys - well, yes :-)

user228700

Damn, I wish I had the money to buy a game like Portals or something.

John Rennie

To be fair it gets harder as you go on, plus you have to find the keys to open doors. So it isn't just killing things.

Though it is mostly killing things.

user228700

^

John Rennie

16:29

I did warn you it might not be your type of game ...

I think it mainly appeals to teenage boys - even ones aged 56.

user228700

Yeah :-/ It was fun though. Sort of...

user228700

@JohnRennie :-P I see.

Bernardo Meurer

The only game that appeals to me right now is called "Getting out of debt"

I'm the protagonist and there is no way of winning

user228700

Yeah, sounds quite honorable.

ACuriousMind

Not a very fun game.

Balarka Sen

16:31

I have to decide what movie I will watch today. Or if I will.

Bernardo Meurer

@BalarkaSen Watch some 1960's porn

Danish

Good stuff

user228700

@BalarkaSen You never sleep?

Balarka Sen

@Bernardo I am into exploitation

the horrid stuff

ACuriousMind

::ahem::

Balarka Sen

Sorry. lol.

@Kaumudi occasionally

Bernardo Meurer

16:33

@BalarkaSen Same

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer it takes until you're middle aged to complete the game. At which point ... well ... you're middle aged :-(

Jaime Gallego

I need to reset my sleep cycle

Bernardo Meurer

@JaimeGallego Don't just keep going till you do a full cycle and come back to normal

ACuriousMind

@Kaumudi.H Do you know what sort of game you're looking for? Or are you so bored that you just decided to start playing whatever you can get?

@JaimeGallego I know that feeling

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie Sounds lame, maybe I start trafficking drugs

ACuriousMind

16:35

@JohnRennie As so often, the winning move is not to start playing in the first place.

Jaime Gallego

reddit.com/r/financialindependence

^ Financial Independence n stuff

Balarka Sen

i dunno maybe i might finally watch blade runner

too many unseen classics

John Rennie

Blade Runner is a good film!

user228700

@ACuriousMind I...I really don't even know what sorts of games there are.

Balarka Sen

So I hear.

ACuriousMind

16:38

@Kaumudi.H Oh. Well. :D

user228700

@ACuriousMind Why? Why did u ask?

ACuriousMind

Well, if you had some idea of what you were looking for/would like, I might have recommended something

Balarka Sen

I kinda miss the real time strategy games

user228700

@ACuriousMind Ah. I really wanna play Portals but I have no idea what else I'm looking for.

ACuriousMind

But this way, there's a high probability that you won't like whatever I suggest

user228700

16:40

@Balarka: Hey so how do you escape the truth in that line you so often like to repeat? "We're all gonna die anyway".

ACuriousMind

@BalarkaSen Why do you "miss" them? They still exist!

Balarka Sen

I don't escape it. Simple as that.

user228700

@BalarkaSen So it's a pervasive numbness, is it?

user228700

...with occasional moments of awe?

Balarka Sen

Did you read the book you bought on whim, mixed in with my suggestion?

:P

user228700

16:41

@ACuriousMind Are they all stuff I can download for free or do they cost money? :-P

user228700

@BalarkaSen No :-P I haven't been reading any of the books that I actually bought. I don't really know why.

Balarka Sen

Well, one can make proceed on moving away from the inactivity resulting from the vision of death every intelligent being is bound to feel, without refuting it. There are a number of comments to make on this at a literary level.

ACuriousMind

@Kaumudi.H Well, most of them aren't free, but some are.

user228700

@BalarkaSen ...that is the most general thing you could've said.

user228700

@ACuriousMind See, I don't have money :-P

Balarka Sen

16:43

Do you want me to elaborate? I can, but I am not sure how much detail you want me to go on. A little, medium, or brutal and fiery?

I am never sure how much time I am allowed to waste of a person I am talking to :P

user228700

Oh, I have lots :-P

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H: do any of these look interesting?

user228700

Look:

user228700

See what I mean?

John Rennie

16:46

10 rupees?

user228700

Yep.

user228700

@BalarkaSen ...brutal is OK.

Balarka Sen

Let me get to a good writing position

user228700

@JohnRennie Thanks! I'm checking 'em...

user228700

@BalarkaSen :-P Wokay.

John Rennie

16:49

@Kaumudi.H Portal is 69p if you buy now ...

@Kaumudi.H Because I'm such a generous chap I will donate 69p of my own money to buy you a copy of Portal if you want.

user228700

@JohnRennie Whoa whoa, no way. I'm not letting you pay for anything of mine ever again :-P

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H 69p ???

Abcd

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Is that the right game? Or have I got mixed up with different games called Portal?

Abcd

Could someone please help me with this problem?

@JohnRennie Are you free to explain?

ACuriousMind

16:51

@JohnRennie It is a very good game in any case ;)

user228700

@JohnRennie I will not confirm because I cannot trust if u will go ahead and not buy it!

user228700

How much is 1p?

Anonymous

You can download portal for Rs.0 from pirate bay (proxyspotting.in/s/?q=portal+game&page=0&orderby=99) along with free viruses. :'D

John Rennie

@Abcd the motorbike is launched at an angle of 15º at some velocity $v$. All you have to do is calculate the range of a projectile launched at 15º and find the value of $v$ that makes the range equal to the width of the ditch.

@Kaumudi.H How many rupees to the pound?

user228700

p=pound?

Balarka Sen

16:54

@Kaumudi.H Ok. There's spoilers in there but necessary to answer your question. For one, I referenced the book once again because it is about a person who went through 40 years of extreme and violent existential crisis in his underground, with all his miseries and hate, turned inwards - there was a masochistic pleasure in this but the protagonist acknowledges that it is a base, disgusting pleasure and demeaned and dehumanized himself even more for this - and resurfaced from his own hell after 40 years of inactivity (which he concludes is his sickness/resultant of his visions).

Anonymous

1 Indian Rupee equals
0.012 British Pound

ACuriousMind

@Kaumudi.H No, p=pennies

i.e. 1/100th of a pound

John Rennie

Ah, 84 rupees to the pound according to that nice Mr. Google. In that case 1p is 0.84 rupees so the game costs 58 rupees.

user228700

...just did the calculation meself and Jesus Christ, only that much?!?!

user228700

Let me see if I can buy it on the website you linked...

Abcd

16:56

@JohnRennie From where is it launched? I can't even understand it's trajectory.

John Rennie

So there you are. It's a mark of my extraordinary generosity that I'm willing to spend 58 rupees :-)

Balarka Sen

Secondly, by the very dialectical nature of existence, any inward crisis is counteracted by an outward crisis. Dostoyevsky etc writes about the inward crisis of man and the absurdity of it, but many of my other favorite writers talk about the outward crisis and the existence of the "unknown". Borges is one of my favorites precisely because of this; all of his writings (all short stories) are about labyrinths and infinities - the mesmerizing structures which human mind can not comprehend.

I also strongly like Tarkovsky and his films because of this.

user228700

@Balarka: Wait wait! I'll read what u wrote in 5 mins...

Balarka Sen

Sure.

John Rennie

@BalarkaSen important game buying is in progress ...

Anonymous

16:59

@Yashas o/

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