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01:29
Is obe back?
01:45
@SirCumference why do you think that?
just hoping...
He is alive as of one week ago.
wait he's back?
@SirCumference Who??
@SirCumference I asked him something on Skype
01:56
I updated TeXworks to the latest version a few days ago. Now I get [?] sign instead of the ref numbers when compile
dammit
that's why I never update anything
ever
That's not the only problem
I can't use half space anymore (very necessary for Persian typesetting)
Shiiiiiiiiit
02:23
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05:16
@Slereah I thoroughly enjoyed reading these set of 6-8 lines.
Really. Starting from 0celot's question. (Welcome back, @0celouvskyopoulo7 btw)
Dudes, I'm bookmarking these gems.
@Mostafa How...?
05:49
Doppler effect is applicable for light rays?
Light waves (*)?
Hi people. @JohnRennie help
@Fawad: yes, light redshifts just like any other wave
@JohnRennie suppose I have two identical boxes
and both boxes (And their contents) weigh the same
both boxes are sitting on a desk
I then try to rotate each box
(by sliding it on the desk in a rotating motion)
given both boxes are the same weight
@JohnRennie thanks. And matter waves?
will it take the same effort (force/torque) to slide each box, or does the contents inside the box matter? @JohnRennie
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Q: Why isn't the De-Broglie wavelength of massive particles redshifted in an expanding universe

R. RankinIt is pretty straight forward how light is redshifted in an expanding universe, yet I still can't understand why the De'Broglie wavelength of a massive particle isn't redshifted in an expanding universe. There is no proper notion of conserved mass energy in the expanding universe (without conside...

@Kenshin when you rotate the box you need to apply a torque given by $T = I\ddot{\theta}$
05:58
@JohnRennie well suppose each box is identical in shape
and the total mass of each box and contents are idcential
Assuming you want the same angular acceleration $\ddot{\theta}$ the torque will depend on the moment of inertia, $I$, and that will depend on the mass distribution inside the box.
and I want to rotate each box with the same angular velocity
@JohnRennie also assume the mass distribution inside the box is the same for both
@JohnRennie I will now tell you what is inside each box
If the moment of inertia is the same for both boxes then the force needed to rotate them will be the same.
Oh, hang on, that assumes the contents of the box are fixed.
Inside Box A is a wheel (with axel attached to the box) that is stationary
inside box B is a wheel again but is spinning
If the contents can move, e.g. if they contain a fluid, there can be a difference.
06:00
@JohnRennie now I've told you the contents, does the torque required change?
It depends on the orientation of a wheel. Effectively you're trying to rotate a gyroscope.
the orientation is such that the angular momentum of the wheel will change as the box is moved
so @JohnRennie does this mean the $I$ of the box depends on the angular momentum of the conents inside the box?
The moment of inertia is, by definition, calculated in the rest frame of the object. If the object consists of different parts rotating at different speeds I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about a total moment of inertia.
But you would have to ask someone who finds classical mechanics interesting.
But basically given a box, you can't really know if the Torque equation above makes any sense without first knowing all the contents of the box
Yes, that seems a fair description of the situation ...
06:07
@JohnRennie angular momentum is the only bit of classical mech that I find confusing. I heard that feynman thought about these concepts of classical mechanics before working QFT
But that's just saying that to know the torque required to rotate a gyroscope you need to know if it's spinning.
@JohnRennie what I wonder is, if you have a black box, what are all the properties that must be specified before we can know exactly how that black box will behave in our universe
(1) mass
(2) mass distribution
(3) shape
but we also must know
whether there is somethign spinning inside or not?
the angular momentum of the box right?
(4) internal angular momentum?
You are making it sound more mysterious than it is
You're just describing a gyroscope.
yeah but you can't see the gyroscope
You don't need to invoke mystrerious black boxes.
06:10
because it is hidden in the box
What I'm saying is, if you are given a black box that can never be openeed
and you don't know whether there is a gyroscope in the box or not
then you can't really know how that box will behave physically
you can weigh the box
you can find it's density etc.
user228700
Hey, everyone! :-)
and perhaps someone even tells you the mass distribution
No, but you can measure the torque required to accelerate it around various axes and from that you can calculate the properties of the gyroscope inside.
but even then, it's not enough to know how the box will respond
@Kaumudi.H Morning :-)
06:12
@JohnRennie yes so the box has a new property
"internal angular momentum"?
hello @Kaumudi.H :D
user228700
What up?
They are discussing what is best described to be gyroscope black boxes
user228700
...wokay.
Meanwhile, I wasn't chatting much because I was busy logging down last night dream in the background
user228700
@Secret Ah, still at that huh? We haven't seen one of ur "last night's dream:" in a while...
06:22
That's because the recent ones are mathematical thus it gone to the maths chat, and the ones a few weeks ago are so unstable that I recall almost nothing to them (10 days in a roll for the peak period)
user228700
@Secret Ohh, OK. I miss them, tbh :-P
For some reason last night I dreamed I was on a ship - an old fashioned sailing ship.
And only just this 3 days (including today) there are those movie style dreams again (which often correlates to my length and quality of sleep)
@JohnRennie that is because of the recent sailing ship crash that was in the news
06:24
@JohnRennie what are you doing on the ship?
Maybe someday those cubes will be miniaturised and self assemble to create any object we want
I don't remember much of the dream. I don't know why I was on the ship or where it was going. I just remember being very concerned that I would get seasick.
lol
user228700
@JohnRennie Huh. I dreamt that I was in a prison and the only way to escape was to fly to the sun.
Don't use wax to make your wings then :-)
user228700
06:27
:-) So I'm stuck here doing nothing again; going to the library only tomorrow.
4-2 days ago, there are a total of 3 horror level nightmares which after I summarising them, concluded they are a collective subconscious warning that I need to get the suplementary information of my supervisor's paper done, and so I did, those nightmares then stopped
user228700
Wtf. I see.
@Kaumudi.H have you come to any conclusion about courses?
Have you heard anything from MEC?
user228700
I am yet to meet that guy from IITM but I doubt if I'll change my mind about C.S.
What about doing physics @Kaumudi.H?
user228700
06:30
@JohnRennie Tuesday. ::Fingers Crossed::
computers are temporary, physics is forever
@Kaumudi.H :: John crosses his fingers too - then wonders how he's going to type ::
user228700
Hehe :-)
user228700
@Kenshin The goal is to do Cognitive Neuroscience after.
yes I think physics too would be good prep for cog neuro
Physicists can do anything
06:31
It's the Windows update weekend - I've spend the last 2.5 hours rescuing crashed servers. Oh well ...
user228700
@JohnRennie Ah :-(
user228700
Coffee! Where's ur therapeutic coffee at?
All part of the job. At least it only happens once a month.
I had finished my first (pint of) coffee by 5:30 a.m. I'm reluctant to start a second pint just yet or I'll be crawling up the walls :-)
user228700
> I'll be crawling up the walls
user228700
Lol.
user228700
06:36
Lookie here:
Hi, everybody.
user228700
user228700
@DanielSank Hi! :-) How's it going?
@Kaumudi.H Pretty ok.
You?
user228700
Oh, same here.
user228700
06:53
Does anybody here listen to the band Arcade Fire?
@Kaumudi.H I quite liked their first album, but the second album wasn't as good and I've lost touch with them since.
user228700
Huh. OK...
Haven't they got a single out now? Or am I mixing them up with another band?
user228700
@JohnRennie I have no idea. I found them because of the movie Her:
user228700
06:57
...and apparently, it's Chris Martin's (frontman of Coldplay) favorite band. Who knew?
I am confusing them with another band I think. There's another husband and wife band I mix them up with.
user228700
Hang on, Arcade Fire is a husband and wife band?
Arcade Fire is a Canadian indie rock band based in Montreal, Quebec, consisting of husband and wife Win Butler and Régine Chassagne, along with Win's younger brother William Butler, Richard Reed Parry, Tim Kingsbury and Jeremy Gara. The band's current touring line-up also includes former core member Sarah Neufeld, frequent collaborator Owen Pallett, two additional percussionists, Diol Edmond and Tiwill Duprate, and saxophonists Matt Bauder and Stuart Bogie. Founded in 2001 by friends and classmates Win Butler and Josh Deu, the band came to prominence in 2004 with the release of their critically...
user228700
Oh, wow..
user228700
So apparently, this is what I'm doing today; discovering new bands.
07:01
Damn, now I'm going to be spending all morning trying to remember the other band's name :-)
user228700
Oh, no :-( Sorry :-P
user228700
I stayed up till 3 AM yesterday doing this BTW:
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user228700
Nothing like a spontaneous bout of organisation :-P
Organising your music collection, or book collection or indeed any type of collection. Always an excellent way to waste huge amounts of time :-)
user228700
07:04
True! :-) Although, I mean, the goal was to have them organised so that I could listen to each album one by one, rather than shuffling all of them.
I used to organise my SF collection by author. Then I'd think no I'll sort by title, or publication date, or whatever :-)
I tend to title the directories "2017 Album name".
user228700
So this is what it looks like inside one of them folders:
So they automatically sort by release date.
user228700
user228700
@JohnRennie Ah, that's clever. I just had them all in one folder.
user228700
07:06
And now I've arranged them all in the same order as they appear on the CD!
user228700
...it adds to the experience, listening to them in order, it really does, with Coldplay.
user228700
Except now I've gotta create playlists on my phone because the headphones jack on my laptop is broken -_-
Uh for ****** sake of all the death methods you choose, why a razor? I hate any implied slashing scenes Mosfata
@Kaumudi.H Did you try to swap the USB headphone adaptor?
user228700
07:09
@JohnRennie They're not willing to replace it.
user228700
user228700
:-P
user228700
@Secret Better not watch Thirteen Reasons Why, then.
Jennifer Aniston?
user228700
Oh, it's a scene from the sitcom F.R.I.E.N.D.S
user228700
1:34
user228700
"So what is this, some kind of snake or something?" x'D Gets me everytime!
Time
You cannot have such events as shown in that short movie in GR. No CTCs will allow grandfather paradoxes (while it is possible to explain away the assisted suicide of the kids as smaller grandfather paradoxes as the Pillowpan may have other reasons to travel back, or that for those instance of travelling back it has never occured, you cannot deny the final iteration (where the pillowman killed himself) is not a grandfather paradox)

The time travel model that is assumed here seemed to be one where as soon the grandfather paradox is completed, it oscillates once and then settles (at lea
The following does not carry any meaning:
07:30
Past 10 days dreams in short form:
8/6/2017
Trailer of some spy mission. Trailer name is Agent 9: Imiting Child
(a pair, male and female)
Man pressed button at back of spy suit of woman and the full augmentations of the suit materialise
Woman: Huh, I don't know about that (function)
Woman: *continues running* My only complaint is it is raised in 3 spots (pointing towards the breast section, the 3rd location was never specified), as if I am a failed prototype.
The pair infiltrate base and disguised as scientist to gain access.
Elevator stopped midway for the woman
9/6/2017 (Is a maths dream, skipped)
10-11/6/2017 (forgot)
12/6/2017 Some statures in a tibet like place which after a cyan artifact is restored, become the monks again as they restored to human form
13/6/2017 (Lucid nightmare 1) The majority of this dream involves me being chased by an axe crazy woman holding headless scissors in both her hands trying to kill me with them by throwing them like darts. It is a lucid nightmare since she is very smart to resist most of my time stopping powers
14/6/2017 (Is a maths dream ,skipped)
15/6/2017 (Nightmare 2) Dad got killed by a fallen bridge, mum and then sister died in sequence. The sheer hopelessness cause me to rage and the whole dream world is razed into an inferno
16/6/2017 (Nightmare 3 for first part). Part 1 involve an angry vilking god tries to destroy the world. After recovering the thing he lost, he is pleased and prepared to return to the heavens and undoing his world desturction in the process, only to get electrocuted as he hit the sky, as it turns out his world destruction program is now beyond even his control. Me and my classmates panic in a tent as the sky crush us flat like being crushed by a million layers of books.
Part 2 is a real life version of a flappy bird like game involving some of my high school friends as we tried to score 100%
17/6/2017 There's a curse in a forest which turn people into bears, which will die after 3 days if the curse is not reversed. To reverse the curse, the flowers of a rare type of plant (with name shown below, which the character is not known to exists in chinese or japanese language) is brewed in water, and then a blood offering is needed to activate its magic (just a few drops of blood is enough)
(NB. If the above 17 dreams are posted in full, it will span 18 A4 pages!)
As for why bears, this is my best guess on where it all came from:
07:58
"This quantum anomaly is key to understanding the structure of the quantum theory in the sequel"
Sequel is an odd term to use
Probably that author has a bunch of papers to be read in sequence, some authors do that
 
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09:41
Hey guys, I am thinking if Liuoville’s theorem states that area in phase space doesn't change, then but can the are be scattered, but with total area conserved? If not, wouldn't it be contradicted to the entropy law?
** then but can the area be scattered
> A system with multiple disjointed surfaces in phase space, all at a constant energy, is not
ergodic since it is discontinuous. The topology of the energy surface can reveal much about
the ergodicity or validity of Liouville’s theorem, as well as the validity of Poincare’s recurrence
theorem (to be discussed later). I cannot think of any physical systems this specific example
represents, but there certainly are non-ergodic systems. Ferromagnets and glassy systems
are two examples of such non-ergodic systems. In both cases, the system is able to explore
So I am guessing you will violate Liouoville's theorem, but I will wait for more experienced people to comment on this
thanks for the link!
Anonymous
10:20
@JohnRennie In case you are free for sometime could I ask you a few questions about Lagrangian mechanics? I'm having difficulty in understanding some of the terms
I'm free, but I don't know that much about Lagrangian mechanics. You can certainly ask but I can't guarantee to give a (useful) answer.
Anonymous
@JohnRennie Thanks, btw could you explain the D'Alembert's principle? The wiki explanation seems too complicated
Anonymous
What do they mean by "virtual work"?
Anonymous
Hi all. does anyone here familiar with different frames in fluid dynamics? (Landau, Eckart, and no-drag frame)
I have a question
10:34
@blue sorry for the timeout - fixing a computer!
Can you give me some idea of what you know about D'Alembert's principle and what you're still unsure about it.
Anonymous
"The principle states that the sum of the differences between the forces acting on a system of mass particles and the time derivatives of the momenta of the system itself along any virtual displacement consistent with the constraints of the system, is zero. Thus, in symbols d'Alembert's principle is written as following," I couldn't understand what they mean by "virtual displacement consistent with the constraints of the system"
Guys, bibliography tip
How do i write author names?
Anonymous
@Slereah Maybe this could help: wikihow.com/Write-a-Bibliography ?
"Firstname Lastname", "Lastname Firstname", "Lastname F.", "Lastname, Firstname", "Lastname, F."?
@Slereah Why don't you just use Google Scholar and copy the ref from there?
10:39
Because there might be multiple conventions in use!
Lastname, F. is usually what I see
Hence I want the opinion of someone who would know the best practice
thx
@blue For all the particles in our system there may be a force acting on the particle and that particle will have $dp/dt \ne 0$.
Do I just separate multiple authors by a comma?
@Slereah Well, it has MLA, APA, Chicago, Harvard and Vancouver styles
10:41
Also what's the cutoff point for "et al"
And does it matter if they're Chinese
You can choose an infinitesimal displacement $r_i$ any direction you want, and calculate $(\mathbf F - \dot{\mathbf p})\cdot d\mathbf r$
(The chinese have very short names)
Hard questions
Hi I need help
I've seen some papers by 3 chinese physicists, all their names combined are still shorter than a German name
10:42
@blue: D'Alembert's principle just says when you sum this up over all the particles you end up with zero.
Isn't that right, mister KLINKHAMMER
14 hours ago, by 0celouvskyopoulo7
people in this chat don't know actual physics
Physically what this means is that while there may be internal forces acting between particles, the collection as a whole obeys Newton's second law.
Anonymous
@JohnRennie Umm, wait. How can we take it in "any direction" ?
I need to study physics.
I also need to study mathematics.
10:43
@Slereah more than 3 authors = et al. However there exists papers and pogramming packages that explicitly request you to cite ALL authors
But I want to watch a movie.
Don't, it's very dull
Study history instead
I don’t understand why x=a and x=2a
10:44
At least if you do humanities you can actually discuss your research topic with the normies
@blue It doesn't mean the particle is actually moving in that direction. For any $d\mathbf r_i$ you can take the dot product of $\mathbf F$ and $d\mathbf r_i$. That would be the work done if the particle were to move in the direction $d\mathbf r_i$.
@Slereah I might study Marx's theory of historical material dialectic instead
@BalarkaSen Yeah...Physics and math will never lead you to a higher truth
@BalarkaSen you can study physics in relation to Marxist dialectic
It's an interesting topic
@blue: it's really just a complicated way of writing Newton's second law, but one that applies to many body systems.
10:46
It isn’t given in question that cube is placed at a distance “a” from origin on x-axis or I need to assume?
What about this paper
it has 5000 authors
material dielectric
puts on cool black goggles
Hey @blue you qualified advance?
Anonymous
@JohnRennie Oh I see now! But, what is the practical use of this principle ?
Anonymous
10:47
@Fawad Yes.
@blue congrats.
I don't really see any indication you need to cite them all, thus I think you can cite the 3 lead collaborators and et. al. the others
The phy review letters version even just cite one author and et. al. the others
Someone look at my question and help me. :(
@blue To be honest I'm not sure whether it's something you'd use in anger. I think it is useful if you want to model the system using a variational approach, but you'd need to ask some who's better at mechanics for the details.
I might need to et al Stephani
Hans Stephani, Dietrich Kramer, Malcolm MacCallum, Cornelius Hoenselaers, Eduard Herlt
Cornelius
What a dorky name
10:49
@Slereah nice tounge twister.
Anonymous
@JohnRennie I get it. Thanks though :)
G. Aad et al. (ATLAS Collaboration, CMS Collaboration)

Hmm... this is the first time I saw a group name in the author section...
*you are effectively trading one long suffering to two short sufferings*
such a thing *is* worth it for sure.
@Mostafa does not work for lined messages.
@Mostafa might be true for the n-1 cases, but causing the timeline to oscillate indefinitely from that point seems too unstable to me
10:51
@Fawad You don't need to assume it, it's positioned that way for convenience of calculation.
@Fawad the cube has side $a$ and it is positioned with the left hand face at $x=a$ and the right hand face at $x=2a$.
snip'd
then of course, if you are type 4 person, then another quantum reality will take care of the grandfather mess
@blue: Ninja'd :-)
Anonymous
hehe :P
10:53
@Fawad: I agree the question doesn't make this clear, but it's obviously the case.
@blue ACuriousMind does that to me all the time :-)
Who should I put in the bibliography if the book is a compilation of articles
The editor?
God, P.
Editors aren't God, they only think so
Pretentious, G.
@Slereah do they?
10:58
I guess the P in my earlier name could stand for that.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405601415010378
Further checking of papers in a variety of journals and repositories seemed to suggest the physics community actually treat the collaborations as authors. Thus it will be safe to also cite the collaboration name

For compilations, cite the book author and editors involved, (the line of editors will be terminated by ed. or eds.
11:59
What is “direction of increasing field”? Does it mean direction toward positive charge in space?
@JohnRennie need help.
This is what I am trying to understand
The direction that the field strength increases.
@Justwinbaby direction towards +ve charge(s) placed in space? And opposite direction of -ve charge?
The field becomes larger in absolute value.
12:14
Is it true? @Justwinbaby
Yes.
The direction in which the electric field strength increases is the "direction of increasing field."
Does that^ make sense @Fawad?
@ACuriousMind hello?
@Justwinbaby for a positive charge,direction of increasing electric field is inward or outward?
@0celouvskyopoulo7 no.
What do you think?
Outward because it will repel test charge (+F)
12:26
Where is the field strongest?
@0celouvskyopoulo7 Hey
@Fawad What is "no" in reply to greeting me supposed to mean?
@Justwinbaby at infinity distance ? Not sure
@ACuriousMind first, is JEEhad allowed or not and why? Second, are we allowed to talk about drugs?
If not, why?
Hi all
Hi @JohnJack
12:29
@Fawad that would be the weakest...
@Justwinbaby how? Then for -ve charge where will be strongest? Near to charge? I don’t understand
Forget about positive and negative, think about strength of the field.
@ACuriousMind If you have any time, please have a look at my proposed answer here...No one seems interested in this post.
@0celouvskyopoulo7 Well, apparently some feel the moniker is rude/makes an inappropriate comparison, so we all should refrain from using it. For the second I see no obvious reason why not.
Me neither.
(For the second; the first is best to avoid, even though it's more amusing than offensive to me)
12:34
(Also, I gotta run, got an RPG session coming up and I have to finish my prep)
Let's talk about cooking :-)
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@ACuriousMind we were told not to talk about it
I find the variability of chat rules to be quite confusing
Get used it.
to^
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Q: Delayed puberty

boorishI am 14 years old, turning fifteen in 3 weeks, and there aren't any signs of puberty. My voice is high like a 9 year olds. I have noticed very thin pubic hair that started growing. It appeared like 2 months ago but it didn't grow much from then on. You can barely notice the pubic hair, My penis i...

That's from my sock puppet account of course :-)
¯_(ツ)_/¯
12:47
how is that "relativity"?
Oh yes, I've only just noticed the tag :-)
hi @heather
hello
how are you?
good, how about you?
@JohnRennie that comment on the "Delayed puberty" question is priceless =P
12:52
fine thanks :-)
about the crawling?
@0celo Trippy bruh
Hi @JohnRennie
What is “direction of increasing field”?
12:56
:(
wasn't my explanation good enough?
I learn something from that. But still didn’t get exact answer to question
People put me on ignored? :(
ignore them back

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