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21:00
Also the reviewers in question, both here and the previous one
@EmilioPisanty he/she doesnt seem to take the hint though
rob
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@EmilioPisanty In my official mod capacity, I'd like to say: no comment.
@rob fair enough
also, what about this ^
multiple trivial edits
to bump the question into the front page
I'm my site-member capacity, I'd like to say: it'd be indicative of problems with the moderation structure of this site (including community moderation) if this keeps happening.
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21:03
@EmilioPisanty Duly noted.
why would yoric delete this answer? it seems alright to me
is there any way I can ask him/her?
@BernardoMeurer I just had one of these. This shit is tasty.
21:23
@AccidentalFourierTransform What is it ?
Cherry juice or something?
(I can't read that language)
hello all
hello @heather
morning :)
Hi
hello @Maks
21:29
So.. no more politics discussion in the chat
I like it
@ACuriousMind typo: "They are not confined to the rooms fo the site"
@anonymous "guarana" is a fruit
its like 7up but with guarana instead of lemon
and it tastes way better
@AccidentalFourierTransform oh i didn't know that. sounds great. will try it for sure :)
@anonymous ive never tried the fruit itself
only the drink
it seems to be a typical brazil fruit...don't know if i will find it in the mall
I can order the drink online perhaps
but who orders drinks online ? :P
21:34
yeah right lol
well, if you happen to find it in some store, try it
but I wouldnt order it online
Yeah, I will try :)
I mean, its not that good ;-)
D:
Jesus, what's wrong with the quotes...
we should rename the chat "politics and stuff"
Goddammit, didn't mean to delete that
@JohnRennie > There is clearly no enthusiasm for renaming the chat room. You may consider this suggestion abandoned.
Dang it, I was actually looking forward to that name
21:41
@AccidentalFourierTransform @BernardoMeurer Guaraná grows in Antarctica?
Guarana (/ɡwəˈrɑːnə/ from the Portuguese guaraná [ɡwaɾɐˈna]), Paullinia cupana, syn. P. crysan, P. sorbilis) is a climbing plant in the maple family, Sapindaceae, native to the Amazon basin and especially common in Brazil. Guarana features large leaves and clusters of flowers, and is best known for the seeds from its fruit, which are about the size of a coffee bean. As a dietary supplement, guarana is an effective stimulant: its seeds contain about twice the concentration of caffeine found in coffee seeds (about 2–4.5% caffeine in guarana seeds compared to 1–2% for coffee seeds). As with other...
How can such a fruit grow in Antarctica ? :D
@EmilioPisanty have you tried the drink?
Ah! It has caffeine ;)
Hi, everybody.
21:45
Hi DS, we are talking about guaranas :D
k ;)
@AccidentalFourierTransform Ever tried a lychee drink ? It is one of my favorites :)
@anonymous ooohh
love them lychees
@EmilioPisanty It's the brand's name
@ACuriousMind no way? You mean they just claim it comes from Antarctica but it doesn't actually? I feel so betrayed.
First Cards Against Humanity goes bankrupt, now this
21:50
@EmilioPisanty wait what?
did it really go bankrupt?
@BernardoMeurer @heather this is pretty funny, especially the last part
@EmilioPisanty "Bankruptcy by potato" is a new one.
@EmilioPisanty is that serious? or something like theonion? I just cant believe it lol
22:05
ok now thats more like it
it made no sense
@AccidentalFourierTransform agreed
22:17
@ACuriousMind May I ask why my call for your impeachment was removed?
It had two upvotes last I saw it.
@0celo7 Not constructive; I found it funny but we thought it best to keep the comment section focused.
So I would say it's not allowed.
@EmilioPisanty Political. Banned.
@ACuriousMind dunno where you want to have this, but i'd like to continue our politics discussion. i'm taking a break from reading the federalist papers.
rob
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22:26
@DanielSank Discussion about banning goes in the meta room :-)
If the chat owners and mods let that in, then I would say they need to write an explicit description of exactly what is and is not allowed. "Use common sense" is not acceptable because IMHO banning "politics" is so far beyond common sense that I have no idea what's going on :-)
@rob What about Emilio's comment? Why am I getting your attention but he's not?
@EmilioPisanty Eh, if you want to start to talk more about it I think it'd be best to do so in another room. If you don't want to talk more about it the question becomes why you're mentioning it at all.
@rob You should admonish Emilio for posting that here then.
He's clearly just trying to test the waters.
I see ACM is doing so.
sorry, please delete.
rob
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22:27
@DanielSank I'm multitasking ... imperfectly. Sorry.
@heather Sorry, what?
Happy to go back to the Cards Against Humanity bankruptcy =P
Either I'm handling too many strands of conversation here or I have no idea what you're talking about
The Federalist (later known as The Federalist Papers) is a collection of 85 articles and essays written (under the pseudonym Publius) by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay promoting the ratification of the United States Constitution. Seventy-seven were published serially in The Independent Journal and The New York Packet between October 1787 and August 1788. A compilation of these and eight others, called The Federalist: A Collection of Essays, Written in Favour of the New Constitution, as Agreed upon by the Federal Convention, September 17, 1787, was published in two volumes in 1788...
22:29
@EmilioPisanty No, not you, I meant heather, sorry
@ACuriousMind sorry. early-American history thing. basically articles supporting the ratification of the Constitution before it had the Bill of Rights.
my teacher wanted me to read through them.
All of them?
There are better things to read than that
anyways, also: Lego Grad Student postcards on the shop but in limited supply, if anyone is interested.
What is a Lego Grad student?
22:31
@EmilioPisanty ...is sending such a postcard to someone a nice or a cruel act?
but either, yes
@ACuriousMind depends what you write on the back
@legogradstudent
A hollow head struggling to make it through a blocky world.
2.7k tweets, 11.2k followers, following 14 users
@heather If by politics discussion you mean the discussion of politics in chat, please read through the new meta post first (pinned on the starboard) and then I think the meta room would be more suited since I also linked it in that meta post
like phdcomics but with a triple serving of bleak
@0celo7 they are essays, so all 80-some come out to around 460 pages (book sized). I can skim them too, anyway.
@heather I have read some of them. Not exactly skimmable material.
22:33
@ACuriousMind I did, and then I'll move to the meta room to begin the discussion (if you'd come as well, that's preferable). Also @DanielSank, do you want to come?
@EmilioPisanty phdcomics is funny. LGS makes we want to curl up into a ball and not see other humans anymore :P
@heather sure, link?
@0celo7 ::sighs:: yeah, well.

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^all who want to discuss the banning of politics, please go here.
@ACuriousMind yeah, but phdcomics ran out of steam, and LGS is just getting going
So, who knows what a Thevenin equivalent circuit is?
rob
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22:38
@0celo7 Man, that electronics lab was one of my favorite undergrad classes.
@rob Did you go to undergrad here
If you did, you did not have my circuits prof
She's new
rob
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@0celo7 Yes, you're at my alma mater.
@0celo7 So: any totally passive two-terminal circuit element can be characterized by its resistance, capacitance, and inductance.
@0celo7 That's Thevenin's theorem.
We haven't done anything more than resistance
I can't find the voltage or current
rob
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@0celo7 Then just resistance.
I don't really know what to do
In the notes it's just magic, I think I copied incorrectly
rob
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22:41
@0celo7 The equivalent circuit replaces a big globby mess of resistors with just one equivalent resistance.
@rob I don't have an issue with the concept
I don't actually know how to construct the equivalent
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@0celo7 Do you have a circuit?
Yes
Do you want me to post it?
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@0celo7 Sure.
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22:43
@0celo7 Oh, the internal current source makes it trickier.
Try this: just for fun, put a 1V voltage supply between $a$ and $b$.
Can I not do open circuit analysis?
Not that I actually know how to do that
rob
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@0celo7 I forget. Maybe I'll remember in a minute.
The resistor on the right must be drawing 1/9 A, because its voltage is fixed.
So I have to find the voltage drop from a to b, right?
If I treat the dots near a and b as nodes, then it becomes an easy-ish problem
rob
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@0celo7 Yep, that's it.
To find the Thevenin resistance, I just remove the current source and then compute the equivalent resistance
Then there's a formula for the norton current
It's just Ohm's law I guess
rob
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22:47
@0celo7 You've got it now.
So the direction of the voltage and current is just determined by if $V_{ab}=V_a-V_b$ is positive or negative?
22:58
@rob what do I do now that there's a ground?
Is it a hint for how to do open circuit?
Hullo
Wow, I'm reading the transcript and it seems I missed some intense days.
@JaimeGallego I suppose you could say that
@JaimeGallego meta chat room discussion going on right now, actually.
23:26
@rob Would you believe that a car battery can supply 80A?
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@0celo7 Yup. If you drop a crescent wrench across the terminals of a car battery, the wrench will melt.
Huh.
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(Don't try it, btw)
I have a 2016 Honda Civic, I don't think I could find the battery in there
The whole engine area is covered in plastic bits
Maybe I should try to melt plutonium with a car battery
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@0celo7 (please don't do this)
23:29
@rob I'm on the market for some Pu
Hi NSA
It's for research I swear
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@0celo7 As a radiation source, or for metallurgy? how much?
Metallurgy. I don't know how much we need
The goal is to get some from Y12
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@0celo7 Yep, they're the folks.
And that's apparently possible but extremely expensive
rob
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@0celo7 Sounds about right.
23:31
You have to use their facilities and whatnot
And those are not "open to the public" like SNS or whatever
@rob So, say I find my Norton equivalent circuit.
Is the "current that the circuit can deliver to a short circuit" just the Norton current?
rob
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A 200g mass of Pu-239 (not large) represents a gram of neutrons liberated from some reactor somewhere, at about 100 MeV each. It's a lot of heat to dispose of.
@0celo7 I think that's right.
Because if I stick on a wire to short-circuit, the Thevenin resistor drops out
So you just have a current loop with the Norton current source
rob
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@0celo7 Well, then that's not right. I told you I was rusty.
rob
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The Thevenin model (voltage source plus parallel output resistance) is better for finding short-circuit currents.
23:35
If I connect a and b by an ideal conductor, then the 0.15 ohm resistor gets no current.
rob
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There's a sensible way to think about the Norton equivalent which will come back to me in a few minutes.
I don't understand what's wrong with my reasoning.
Let me compute the sc current using Thevenin and compare.
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@0celo7 Ideal current sources are usually a poor model for reality. You can sometimes treat a non-saturating transistor as an ideal current source, but not one that's saturated.
I get the same thing.
the last part of the question asks "Considering that the energy stored in the battery remains constant under open-circuit conditions,
which of these equivalent circuits seems more realistic? Explain."
I would say Thevenin because the Norton one has a closed loop
So that resistor should be dissipating power.
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@0celo7 Yes, the Norton model dissipates power when it's idle.
23:42
yay

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