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Secret

00:42

Last night dream involving a crank textbook posting a bad PSE question about his book (which is some warped version of MTW gravitation). Acuriousmind and Johnrennie discussed it, which at the end of the conversation he allured to 3 banned users.

Meanwhile I also joined their discussion as I paradoxically found some of the crank's idea seemed to make sense and claimed that I found parallels in the actual MTW

The book includes some pages about consistent theories, where there's a multiple choice involving some gradient diagrams. One of these corresponds to special relativity because it repr…

In the dream the two points I asked about acuriousmind and johnrennie is the following:
1. We know that when events are ordered normally, then *cutscene showing a park with a person walking past* as time progressed the motion looks smooth and continuous, but what if instead everything is the same, but the time evolution is in random. Clearly, because it is parametrised by a continous parameter that represents time, the motion is still continuous, but perhaps to us (who are used to events ordered in the usual way), it will look like a discontinous bunch of jumps

Secret

Pretty sure the dream is inspired from somehow the latest episode of PBS infinity and PBS spacetime (which both talked about singularities), mixed with simpleart's integral challenge.

I do, however, found that idea explored in the dream (a continuum and time evolution with scrambled order) quite interesting. I might explore it later in the context of nowhere continuous functions.

Now I must get back to sleep because I am so tired

Emilio Pisanty

01:03

@BernardoMeurer how's this for meta:

The Bee Movie But Every Time They Say Bee We Explain The Deal With Bee Movie

►

Sir Cumference

02:02

@EmilioPisanty Oh god...

Not the bees!

Kelthar

@BernardoMeurer Seems like you're into some exotic distros... I have not much patience for harder to setup distros because I don't want formatting my pc to be a heavier burden :P Anyway, that said I've only been into Linuxmint, Xubuntu and Ubuntu, mainly ubuntu-based distros, for compatibility, etc What's wrong with APT, btw?

Anyone skilled in cheering up? So sad right now, awful exam compared to what I could do...

Sir Cumference

@Kelthar Huh?

What class?

Kelthar

Quantum mechanics... I worked for it and was ready, but then I was totally bananas at the exam to the point I could do the harder and not the simplest questions... Also, it's so annoying that something as simple but that you cannot control, like not getting a proper night of sleep (because you take to long to fall asleep or whatnot) can nullify the effort I put into it

Sir Cumference

@Kelthar Don't worry, he'll probably curve it

mochacat

yea i know exactly how you feel...

Sir Cumference

02:14

Tons of people have that same problem

That's good reason for curving

mochacat

what is curving? i'm pretty new to this whole learning thing

Kelthar

I also don't know what you mean

Sir Cumference

@mochacat If lot's of people don't do too well on a test, the professor might realize the test was really hard and "curve" it, meaning he will give students a higher score than they actually got

mochacat

and that happens to everyone, the whole not performing as well as you had expected to thing

oh sweet

Sir Cumference

Depends on the professor though

mochacat

02:17

man i still live in a 'teacher' environment

Sir Cumference

@mochacat What you mean?

mochacat

still in high school :)

Sir Cumference

Oh, what grade?

Even in high school, some teachers curved the tests

mochacat

grade 9. people call grade 9 middle school in other places i think

Sir Cumference

Woah, now I feel old...

Freshman in college

Kelthar

02:19

It is a bit rare in my uni

mochacat

man that's awesome

Kelthar

lol, I'm in 3rd year in college

mochacat

also awesome

Kelthar

wouldn't guess I'm probably the oldest lol

Sir Cumference

@Kelthar Now I feel younger :)

Kelthar

02:19

ahaha, glad to help

Sir Cumference

What are you majoring in?

Kelthar

Engineering Physics

you?

Sir Cumference

Neat. I'm double majoring in astronomy and comp science

The former is to feed my curiosity about the universe, the latter is so I actually have a job when I come out :P

Kelthar

wow, nice, isn't it too heavy to do 2 at the same time?

mochacat

just googled engineering physics. seems like a great thing to major in

Sir Cumference

02:21

@Kelthar It's hella hard

I'll see what I can handle

mochacat

how would you rate your overall experience out of 10 so far

Sir Cumference

In college? I dunno

I'm doing really well in some areas and badly in others

Kelthar

@mochacat well, the list of subject is here, in case you're curious: fenix.tecnico.ulisboa.pt/cursos/meft/paginas-de-disciplinas

Anyway, my uni is so heavy it would just be impossible to do that... They are a bit crazy

mochacat

my spanish is a little rusty but wow that sounds like everything i've ever wanted to learn

Sir Cumference

@Kelthar So is mine, but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place :/

I wanna learn about the universe, but I need a viable job

So I'm stressing myself by majoring in both

@mochacat ¿Puedes hablarlo?

Kelthar

02:25

ahahaha, what a picture

I see

Are you spanish?

mochacat

@SirCumference un poco but i will never be better than google translate

Sir Cumference

Nah, neither is anyone in my family

I just liked learning languages in high school and kept with it

mochacat

sweet, what else do you speak?

Sir Cumference

Just English and (sorta) Spanish

Still learning :)

mochacat

also what's wrong with finding jobs with an astronomy degree?

Sir Cumference

02:26

Pffh

Kelthar

I can understand spanish due to the similarity with portuguese

can't speak that well though

I comes out as a mix of the two xD

mochacat

i heard from @BernardoMeurer that you just have to get drunk and speak spanish to speak portuguese. is that true?

Sir Cumference

@mochacat I can come up with a list: not enough jobs, you can't choose your location, you must spend ~15 years in school, you start with a pretty low salary, etc.

mochacat

huh

15 years

Sir Cumference

+ or - 3 years

That's my guess

mochacat

02:28

that really sucks though. hopefully you manage to find a job that you love in CS

Sir Cumference

Most astronomers start working at 35

mochacat

oh man

Sir Cumference

@mochacat Hopefully

Kelthar

@mochacat no idea, as I don't need that trick xD

Sir Cumference

Oh, there's a joke about this

Which of the following is not like the rest?

1. An engineering degree
2. An astronomy PhD
3. A computer science degree
4. A large pizza

mochacat

02:31

the pizza right

Sir Cumference

Nope, it's #2

Kelthar

ahaha, I'm curious, what can come out of there? xD

Sir Cumference

All the others can feed a family of four

Kelthar

ahaha xD

mochacat

wow that hits hard

LOL i kind of transitioned from super sad to laughter

Kelthar

02:32

another sad fellow?

mochacat

but what is astronomy anyway? like, will you explore mars or do you discover planets etc etc

Sir Cumference

@mochacat Well, exploring space in general is astronautics...

mochacat

@Kelthar nah the joke is just a little depressing but mostly funny

Sir Cumference

Astronomy is the study of the universe, especially what is in space

Star evolution, galaxy formation, the origins and fate of the Universe, planetary motions, etc.

Kelthar

@mochacat just wondered because you said you we're said as well, was like, welcome to the cluv :P

Sir Cumference

02:34

By studying space, you're basically studying how the universe works at the large scale

mochacat

@SirCumference that sounds great. there's so much we don't know out there.

Kelthar

But is that in a more qualitative perspective, or more like Astrophysics?

Sir Cumference

@Kelthar Most people say astronomy and astrophysics are the same thing

They've historically had different meanings, but now they've generally become synonymous

@Kelthar Now I don't know much about engineering, but what would you need QM for?

mochacat

@SirCumference as in quantum mechanics?

Sir Cumference

@mochacat Yep

mochacat

02:43

i have obviously stepped over the line of what i can understand again

Skyler

@SirCumference hopefully another mean argument wont pop out of thin air since you said that

Sir Cumference

@Skyler Amen

@Skyler By the way, what are you majoring in?

Skyler

@SirCumference im physics, why do you ask?

Sir Cumference

Just curious

Skyler

im kinda curious, did you think I was a physics major

I've been here in h bar for quite a while

Sir Cumference

02:49

Well it was my first guess

Skyler

yea, default answer of people here

though i guess im physics + entrepreneurship minor (its a certificate program but really just about the same load as a minor)

Sir Cumference

Huh, what year?

Skyler

im a couple of weeks into my last quarter

mochacat

:O

Kelthar

@SirCumference I wanted to work in quantum computing... That's my first guess, as it's also my favourite (computing and etc)... and I think it really has the potential to do great things. then maybe nuclear fusion or AI

or something else energy related, like energy storage (which could also be a gamechanger), or improved solar cells, etc

but quantum computing is what excites me the most

3 am here, I'm just going to sleep. tiredness has overcome sadness so I'm ready to go

cya guys

mochacat

03:03

haha good night @Kelthar

Kelthar

thanks, 4u2

mochacat

don't worry about the test too much. it's about what you learn and not about what you get on a test

i'm experienced in cheering myself up after a bad test. there's a lot of opportunities :P

user228700

07:37

@JohnR: Morning :-)

user228700

Gosh, why is this place so... dead?

Secret

Last night dream is a complicated time travel dream, which is too long to post here

user228700

@Secret Just as well, really. I'm already sort of hallucinating :-P (Not kidding)

user228700

@JohnR: How's it going?

John Rennie

Morning :-)

Yes it does seem awfully quiet hereabouts.

user228700

07:47

@JohnRennie I've been asking about sleep/health so I think it's OK to assume that y'all might be interested to know what my B.P (I measured it today) is.

John Rennie

I guess so. Though does blood pressure have to do with sleeping?

user228700

It is s'posed to be 120/80 but mine is only 80/70 .__.

user228700

@JohnRennie Not very much but stress, perhaps?

John Rennie

That's good isn't it? It means your heart is in good condition.

user228700

Uh, no, it's s'posed to be 120|80 (This is not "120 out of 80", those two numbers measure two different parameters)

user228700

07:51

But mine's 80|70

John Rennie

Yes. Trust me, when you get to be middle aged doctors start getting interested in your blood pressure and take it all the time :-)

Mine is (so far) boringly normal, which is just as well really :-)

user228700

:-) Sorry. But they weren't happy with my results--they're too low is what she said.

John Rennie

The point is that high blood pressure means you are at serious risk of heart attack or stroke, while low blood pressure may mean you faint easily but it isn't usually life threatening.

80/70 does seem very low though.

user228700

...right.

user228700

I fell ridiculously sick yesterday evening and it became worse in the morning, which is why I went.

John Rennie

07:55

Are you getting enough iron in your diet?

With a vegetarian diet it's easy to become anemic if you're not careful.

user228700

Yes, I think so. The doctor adviced me to drink lots of fluids.

user228700

But I don't think I'm anemic. I eat a fair share of grean leafy veggies :-)

John Rennie

I have to admit I don't know what foods contain iron - apart from meat of course.

user228700

Grean leafy veggies, almonds, etc.

John Rennie

Did the doctor take a blood sample? I assume they'll test for anaemia.

user228700

07:58

Peas. Whoa my God, I eat too much peas. I'm definitely not anemic.

John Rennie

Wow, I didn't realise almonds contain a lot of iron (John says having just Googled it). You learn something new every day.

You could have terminal heart disease I suppose, but on the bright side if you're about to drop dead you can stop revising :-)

user228700

@JohnRennie No, they didn't. I have sinusitis, a throat infection, low B.P, a mild fever and body pain, that's all :-)

user228700

@JohnRennie :-)

John Rennie

Of course what's more likely is that you work your socks off, get great marks, then drop dead on the day after the exam.

user228700

:-) Yes, that's definitely more likely.

John Rennie

08:01

Some people just have low blood pressure.

user228700

What's up with u this morning?

John Rennie

My brother used to have very low blood pressure before he got middle aged and fat.

@Kaumudi.H I have to admit I'm sort of bored this morning.

user228700

Oh :-/ OK...

user228700

@JohnRennie :-P I see.

John Rennie

I went to the monthly book club meeting yesterday, and we always go for a drink or two afterwards.

So this morning I'm tired and not concentrating well.

user228700

08:03

Oh .__. I see. Good meeting?

John Rennie

We discussed the book Tamed by Douglas R. Brown.

It was absolute rubbish and I though it would be a terrible meeting, but in fact it was a lively discussion about just how bad it was :-)

So it was actually a great meeting.

user228700

Haha, OK, that's nice :-)

John Rennie

amazon.com/Tamed-Douglas-R-Brown/dp/0989991776

This is next month's book:

user228700

It doesn't sound like complete rubbish :-/

John Rennie

amazon.com/Emperor-Mollusk-Versus-Sinister-Brain/dp/1480528501

@Kaumudi.H the book sounded good, which is why we chose it. But it's clumsily written and the plot is ridiculous. One of the group members said it was the worst book he had ever read. I wouldn't go quite that far, but it was pretty bad.

user228700

08:08

@JohnRennie Did you write this? :-)

John Rennie

:-)

It certainly fits with my sense of humour.

user228700

@JohnRennie Oh, I see :-/ It's in ur own town, this meeting?

John Rennie

Yes. Chester is a lot smaller than Chennai. The meeting was in the library in the centre of town. It took me about 30 minutes to walk there from my house.

user228700

Ah, u walk?

John Rennie

I usually cycle into town, but remember that I said we were going for a drink or, erm, two after the meeting? I decided that trying to cycle home might be risky :-)

user228700

08:11

Oh, yes, OK :-)

user228700

When's spring?

John Rennie

On the way home I nipped into the supermarket and they had chocolate eclairs reduced to £0.26 so I had some chocolate eclairs to finish the evening. All very satisfactory :-)

user228700

Oh, that certainly sounds super :-) I don't reckon I've ever had chocolate eclairs.

John Rennie

Éclair

An éclair is an oblong pastry made with choux dough filled with a cream and topped with icing. The dough, which is the same as that used for profiterole, is typically piped into an oblong shape with a pastry bag and baked until it is crisp and hollow inside. Once cool, the pastry is then filled with a vanilla-, coffee- or chocolate-flavoured custard (crème pâtissière), or with whipped cream, or chiboust cream; and then iced with fondant icing. Other fillings include pistachio- and rum-flavoured custard, fruit-flavoured fillings, or chestnut purée. The icing is sometimes caramel, in which case the...

user228700

Yes, I've seen pictures. It looks delicious!

John Rennie

08:14

You have to try them. They are probably my favourite kind of cake.

Though now I think about it, the pastry contains egg.

user228700

I certainly will if I find them somewhere.

user228700

Nah, egg is fine in pastries...just not when I'm doing the cooking.

John Rennie

Chocolate, cream, pastry. With that combination it's hard to go wrong :-)

user228700

Not to be gross or anything, but I just threw up so I think I should eat lunch and take a nap. I didn't sleep at all last night and now I'm also sick. So...tired.

user228700

John Rennie

08:18

Gosh, that doesn't sound good :-(

I hope you feel better after a nap.

user228700

Yes :-( I hope ur Sunday gets less boring. I'll be back in awhile. Thank you :-)

John Rennie

See you later ...

Secret

I think I am expecting a sequel dream to appear soon. Last night dream (which actually consists of two dreams, separated by a 4 hour sleep gap) are actually linked as the 2nd dream somewhat continue where the 1st dream left off. The reason the 2nd dream behave in a manner that can be called a continuation is because I was awake but tired for more than 1 minute to log down the 1st dream 4 hours ago in h bar.
This smashed the record for the duration awake and then went back to sleep where dream still managed to continues from the previous one

That means, should that duration get more than a day long in the future, then we will be expecting sequel dreams. If that's the case, I hope they continue the story of The Dtrix from a past dream 5 years ago cause I want to see the ending

8 hours ago, by Secret

Last night dream involving a crank textbook posting a bad PSE question about his book (which is some warped version of MTW gravitation). Acuriousmind and Johnrennie discussed it, which at the end of the conversation he allured to 3 banned users.

Meanwhile I also joined their discussion as I paradoxically found some of the crank's idea seemed to make sense and claimed that I found parallels in the actual MTW

The book includes some pages about consistent theories, where there's a multiple choice involving some gradient diagrams. One of these corresponds to special relativity because it repr…

In the 2nd dream, 8- hours ago from now, the disussion continues with Dream Acuriousmind saying the following:

"there is no difference, as the ordering is unique. Therefore, one can rearrange the events so that they take the usual sequence"

Reality check: I have no idea from the top of my head whether that notion of a nonlinear continuum narrative that is mentioned in the dream make sense or not. Nonlinear narratives are already mind screwy enough to think about, let alone one in the continuum limit as if it is a smooth movie but with all infintesimal moments in time scrambled

To illustrate what it looks like consider a timeline with event labelled as follows:

1--2--3--4--5-- ...

This is the usual chronological ordering where 2 happens after 1 and 3 happens after 2 and so on

A nonlinear narrative is something resemble this:

e.g. 4--3--5--1--2--...

If we take the time interval between the events to be infinitesimal, in the first case we get a continuous time evolution of some event

The nonlinear continuum narrative explored in the dream, is basically the same idea applied to the 4--3--5--1--2-- thing above

So you basically have an event and its evolution being parametrised by a continuous parameter, but looks discontinuous from one moment to the next in its evolution

ACuriousMind

10:28

@JohnRennie I feel you.

John Rennie

@ACuriousMind :-)

Sunday mornings eh?:-)

ACuriousMind

Aye; I'm not feeling as if I'll get anything done today

Also, my room is littered with confetti. I haven't yet decided how I feel about that

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AccidentalFourierTransform

10:56

@ACuriousMind hungover? ;-)

Sir Cumference

13:45

@Kaumudi.H The cold?

user228700

@SirCumference Everything, man. I'm dying :'-(

user228700

^ Not literally.

Sir Cumference

@Kaumudi.H :(

user228700

How are u?

Sir Cumference

Pretty tired, otherwise good

user228700

13:47

OK...hang on, you must've just woken up, no?

Sir Cumference

I woke up at 6:50am

user228700

What time is it now?

Sir Cumference

So about 2 hours ago

user228700

Oh, OK :-) No classes today?

Sir Cumference

Nope :)

user228700

13:49

Nice. I hope u're able to get shit done :-P (Not that u don't or anything. Just, Sunday and all, so)

user228700

Wait, is today actually Sunday?!

user228700

Aw, crap.

Sir Cumference

What?

user228700

...what?

user228700

Oh, u mean, yeah, no, for awhile I was under the impression that it's Sunday without properly realising it.

Sir Cumference

13:53

@Kaumudi.H Weekends are too fast.

Oh, gtg

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank Yes it is, Ubuntu is horrible.

user228700

Bye :-)

Sir Cumference

adios

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank The easy way is to partition the same drive and only have one EFI partition

@EmilioPisanty Thank you for that, I love bee movie memes

@mochacat Not true, Spanish is a horrible language

@Kelthar Try Antergos

heather

14:06

hello

@BernardoMeurer no it is not (says a user of Ubuntu =P)

AccidentalFourierTransform

@BernardoMeurer no it is not (says a user of Spanish =P)

Bernardo Meurer

@heather You're a summer child

(GOT reference)

Suraz Basnet

Yo

Bernardo Meurer

@AccidentalFourierTransform Your brain has been melted by it

AccidentalFourierTransform

@BernardoMeurer vai-te foder

Bernardo Meurer

14:10

No one hyphenates that

AccidentalFourierTransform

google-does

Bernardo Meurer

lol

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer yeah, I know, you mentioned it

heather

@BernardoMeurer i'm learning spanish =)

Bernardo Meurer

@heather You're a disappointment

heather

14:17

it's not a horrible language any more than english is, i suppose

@BernardoMeurer i almost wish i did german, but my parents said spanish, so.

maybe i'll learn german on my own someday.

and don't say german is a horrible language too =P

Emilio Pisanty

@heather as a speaker of both Spanish and German, I can tell you that Spanish is incomparably more useful

Bernardo Meurer

German is a wonderful language

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Emilio Pisanty

from a completely unbiased perspective, too

Bernardo Meurer

You will only use Spanish to talk to unwanted people

heather

@EmilioPisanty i'll keep that in mind =)

its cool that so many people speak multiple languages here.

Emilio Pisanty

14:20

@heather speaking multiple languages is the norm in many countries

don't let your surroundings fool you

heather

@EmilioPisanty yeah, i know. just a lot of people i know don't.

Bernardo Meurer

US is a weird place

Emilio Pisanty

@heather cf. the surroundings bit ;-)

Secret

news.berkeley.edu/2016/09/20/…

heather

@BernardoMeurer it is rather wonky, yeah. only we would elect Trump and speak only one language

Secret

14:21

Old news

Emilio Pisanty

@heather don't think too much of yourselves, either. People like Trump get elected all the time in Africa.

Bernardo Meurer

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Q: Hardware interfacing under UEFI/BIOS

Usually upon plugging in for the first time a USB drive in Windows a "Installing Device" dialog pops up to inform you that the needed drivers to use that device are being installed. Under Linux you need to have the right kernel modules for hardware support. How are you able to use USB drives und...

Secret

(cont.)
There is just one problem: Travelling to the future is possible as experimentally demonstrated by twin paradox type experiment. If time is really, as what muller's model suggest, is constantly being created, then these experiments should not be possible at all

heather

@EmilioPisanty i stated that as a negative thing...

Bernardo Meurer

Something I dreamt about

Emilio Pisanty

14:23

@heather yeah, just having yet another dig at your expense =P.

heather

@EmilioPisanty lol, okay

bet you can't come up with any jokes about Iowa without looking it up, though.

Bernardo Meurer

Iowa is too boring to have jokes about it

heather

@BernardoMeurer hey! actually, there are some pretty funny ones.

Emilio Pisanty

@heather is that the state that's so flat you can see clear across the state?

Bernardo Meurer

You know what an Iowan says at New Years?

"I miss work"

Emilio Pisanty

14:24

if you put up a ladder so you can see above the corn fields, that is

heather

@EmilioPisanty noooo, that's Nebraska!

Iowa has hills and stuff.

Bernardo Meurer

Nebraiowa

Emilio Pisanty

@heather when you say "hills"

heather

Nebraska, now that's the state you never, ever want to drive through ::winces::

@EmilioPisanty i mean hills, not rises in elevation of a foot or less =P

@BernardoMeurer we have our fun, just like anyone else =)

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Q: i tryied my bes level plese your help more valuable for me

i tried my best to solve this question please help me to solve this questions

thermal-radiation

^"i tryied my bes" - please, spellcheck

AccidentalFourierTransform

@heather honey, nobody else harvests corn for fun

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Emilio Pisanty

14:30

@heather downvote to oblivion

also close

Secret

downvoted, cause he reminds of help vampires

heather

@AccidentalFourierTransform dude, the whole state isn't just corn! there are cities and things to do! and there are also soybeans =P

Secret

On the cause of fairy circles

Emilio Pisanty

@heather when you say "cities"

Secret

Abiotic denitrification, no greenhouse N2O formed

Emilio Pisanty

14:35

'cause I find cities ten times the size of Des Moines to still be pretty small

@Secret nice, but it's got nothing on the wandering rocks of racetrack playa

Secret

O that: They literally glide on the ice and then the ice melts

I am too lazy to dig google up the videos that showcase the animation on how it works, though

Emilio Pisanty

@Secret no, they don't glide on ice. Ice floes form around them, the wind moves the ice with the rocks embedded, then the ice melts.

Secret

ok slight memory error, but yes

heather

@EmilioPisanty look, i get you've lived, in, like, megamegamegamegalopolises, but Des Moines isn't tiny

Emilio Pisanty

BTW, I guess the (ex-)grad-student population of this chatroom isn't around, but this is relevant (also horrifying):

How a dispute at Harvard led to a grad student’s forced mental exam and an extraordinary restraining order against a prominent scientist

heather

14:40

it's a smaller city compared to berlin or something like that, but it still isn't tiny.

Emilio Pisanty

@heather =P j/k

you live in Des Moines?

somebody go star that on the ivory tower, maybe?

heather

@EmilioPisanty geesh

@EmilioPisanty a suburb of des moines, yes.

Emilio Pisanty

@heather yeah, I know. It's the worst I've ever heard on that front.

AccidentalFourierTransform

Apparently, German is a wonderful language but it has mental health problems

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform what's that even mean?

unless you mean that Germans themselves are a little bit too northern european for their own good, in which case, yes

AccidentalFourierTransform

14:50

31 mins ago, by Bernardo Meurer

German is a wonderful language

"The officers made German lie down on a stretcher, and an ambulance carried him to a hospital."

heather

lol

Secret

@EmilioPisanty It is kinda hard to figure out the truth of that one, but so far the descriptions in that article suggest Rubin is guilty of misconduct. Why he action against German will involve a mental assessment is just... weird. But if the truth involve a bit of both sides, then this case would get nasty very quickly

(anyway, I should not speculate, I have zero experience with laws)

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform oh, yeah, I geddit. d'oh.

Kelthar

@heather German is quite cool, I learned it a bit. I like the fact that you can make words xD

Though yes, Spanish will probably be more helpful, mainly outside of Europe, unless you're a user of german eBay like me xD

Emilio Pisanty

@Secret how is it not already nasty? Either way, when things look this strange, there's a bunch that we don't know, so yeah, it's pretty pointless to speculate. But it's one to keep tabs on, particularly if there's more information after legal proceedings unwind.

Kelthar

14:55

Plus Germans usually can speak English, while the same can't be said for the average Spanish, from experience xD

Emilio Pisanty

Much like the Sheri Shangji case, say.

@Kelthar yeah, pretty much completely true.

heather

@EmilioPisanty the Sheri Shangji case? ::googles::

Secret

(one possibility might be because I am shocked at the degree of nasty so much that like people repressing truama, I suddnely become numb to the nastiness, and lead to the next statement of mine where nasty is based relative to this new reference baseline)

Emilio Pisanty

@heather Wikipedia has a reasonable summary (I think?), but it doesn't really capture how much of an impact it made on the broader chemistry community

heather

@EmilioPisanty oh, i think i read about that at one point (skimmed wikipedia)

Secret

14:59

(My emotions tend to suffer from spontaneous renormalisation when it gets too intense too quickly)

Emilio Pisanty

@heather try google.co.uk/… for a sense of the reaction

Also, if you're looking for fun reads, try the Things I won't work with and Things I'm glad I don't do columns there.

AccidentalFourierTransform

@EmilioPisanty at least youre from Mexico, I guess most people there speak English. Here in Spain it is really hard to find someone who speaks proper English.

it's like we refuse to speak English

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform 'most people speak English' is a socioeconomic-context-dependent statement

@AccidentalFourierTransform that one is true, though.

Secret

Magnetic moment of antiproton not different from proton within error

AccidentalFourierTransform

@EmilioPisanty well, I say that because I'm sure that there is a strong influence coming from the US

Secret

15:03

I do not understand what aspect of quantum optics this article is trying to say

Kelthar

@AccidentalFourierTransform! I think that something that really gives the Spanish people English speaking rate is the fact that everything is translated

I mean, dubbed

And they get very little exposure to english

AccidentalFourierTransform

@Kelthar by Spanish you mean from Spain, right?

Kelthar

In Germany they dub everything as well, but they don't appear to be so affected, maybe due to the similarity between German and English

AccidentalFourierTransform

because in south A. everything is original language with subtitles

Kelthar

@AccidentalFourierTransform yes xD

AccidentalFourierTransform

15:09

@Kelthar well yeah, here in Spain you have to go to special theatres to find films in their original language

also, for many people here it is "uncool" to pronounce the words correctly

idk, we're weird sometimes

Kelthar

I just realized that autocorrect killed the sense in my former statement. I meant "(...) That really hinders the Spanish people's English speaking rate (...)"

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform not quite. Cinemas are mostly subtitled, but open TV is dubbed, at least in Mexico.

Kelthar

@EmilioPisanty disclaimer: I don't know how it works in Mexico xD just in Spain

AccidentalFourierTransform

@EmilioPisanty huh, I was misinformed then

a friend of mine from Argentina told me that most tv shows are subtitled

Emilio Pisanty

cable TV is dubbed in Mexico

but, say, Televisa and TV Azteca are not

@AccidentalFourierTransform I can't speak for the rest of Latin America, though

in fact we're pretty much the dubbing factory for most of latin america

AccidentalFourierTransform

15:21

@ACuriousMind how are you feeling?

Secret

You need a rather "continuous, uninterrupted" mood in order to stay focused on reading narrative style text

ACuriousMind

17:18

@AccidentalFourierTransform Ugh.

AccidentalFourierTransform

media.tenor.co/images/7f9b263903c9d6515d59589ddba0b71a/raw

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie Did you get a chance to test out the amp?

AccidentalFourierTransform

@ACuriousMind to make you feel better: why don't ants get sick?

>! (because they have little anty-bodies) :D

ACuriousMind

@AccidentalFourierTransform Heh

AccidentalFourierTransform

DanielSank

18:21

Hi everybody.

@BernardoMeurer ?

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank What?

It's true, we want the hottest sets of the season

vzn

@Secret thx for sharing, very interesting! sounds like a nearly direct experimental confirmation of tenev-horstemeyer "space time fabric" to me but ofc very few )( others will see it that way... arxiv.org/abs/1603.07655

> What actually is a photon? Concerning the last question, that much is clear to the Konstanz physicists: instead of a quantized packet of energy it is rather a measure for the local quantum statistics of electromagnetic fields in space-time. sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170118132244.htm

Swapnil Das

18:51

Hi

John Rennie

@BernardoMeurer I wasn't going to test it. If I can find a box I'll just put it in the post and you can have a play when you get it. I'll try and find a box in the next few days.

Bernardo Meurer

@JohnRennie Sounds great, thanks! :)

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