The h Bar

heather

19:00

@DanielSank oh, that does make sense, because they have to preserve length

DanielSank

@heather Yes!!!!

heather

I love it when things make sense like that.

DanielSank

Dude, @heather, when you get to college level courses SO many things are going to make sense to you that confuse the bejeezus out of everyone else.

heather

@DanielSank really?

DanielSank

Even if you're not mastering the stuff you hear about here, having thought about it all ahead of time and even just knowing the words will help so much.

@heather Yes. zomg yes.

heather

19:05

=)

being nerdy/weird when you're young $\to$ making college easier

DanielSank

lolololol I just went on safari for posts to upvote (to earn a hat). I searched "noise" since that's something I'm comfortable voting on. Found an answer about shot noise and thought "Hey this is good. I'll upvote it". Can't; it's my answer.

@heather college $\rightarrow$ life

Fixed that for you.

@heather Also, you're not "weird".

heather

@DanielSank lolol

that's fabulous

DanielSank

I'm a narcissist :|

...and there aren't too many noise related questions on our site.

heather

@DanielSank abnormal, then.

DanielSank

@heather Sure, but if there even is such a thing as "normal" it's probably awful.

heather

19:09

@DanielSank true. the "popular" kids i see are also the ones who are most likely to get in trouble, get in weird purposeless fights, etc.

DanielSank

@heather So by "popular" you mean... what? They're popular with each other?

It's more fun to have legit good friends than it is to be popular.

IMHO

heather

@DanielSank, i don't know exactly what I mean, honestly. yes, that's the reality of it, but you just kind of "know" that that's the "popular" group. I've never myself wanted to be in it. I prefer nerdy (ahem, people who are going to do something cool) people.

AccidentalFourierTransform

the popular vs nerdy thing is so effin exaggerated in the states as compared to the rest of the world!

everywhere else you just do what you want, and hang around with the people you like

no big deal

heather

@AccidentalFourierTransform, true. but it is a thing, i can tell you that.

AccidentalFourierTransform

yeah I know (I watch TV :P)

Pissed off layman

19:12

Popularity is over rated.

AccidentalFourierTransform

in american high schools being popular means everything

DanielSank

Someone just upvoted one of my noise answers, lol. I guess talking about stuff on chat really does get votes.

@AccidentalFourierTransform Define "everything".

I suspect that I disagree with you rather strongly, but I'll withhold open warfare until I know what you mean.

heather

@AccidentalFourierTransform to some, yes.

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform You know this how? You've lived abroad?

heather

to all, no.

DanielSank

19:14

@Pissedofflayman By who?

Pissed off layman

When you're young it's only natural to want to be popular

heather

@Pissedofflayman, then I am not natural =P

AccidentalFourierTransform

@DanielSank it seems that the purpose of every choice and action is related to gaining popularity

@DanielSank no, I haven't lived in USA

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform Really? You're telling me that if you observe a body of high school students in the US that you find that everything they do is an attempt to increase popularity?

Pissed off layman

@DanielSank by me.

DanielSank

19:15

I can tell you from my experience that this was certainly not the case.

At all.

AccidentalFourierTransform

and therefore my perception of these matters is probably very distorted

but I watch a lot of TV series

lol

high school in america seems very stressful

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform So if I watch a TV series about your country, do I learn a realistic picture of that country?

Pissed off layman

@heather being yourself is the most important thing at any age :-)

AccidentalFourierTransform

we don't have that

DanielSank

I hung around with a pretty big group of people who didn't care about popularity. They cared more about school, hobbies (a lot of video games and music), and romance.

AccidentalFourierTransform

19:18

@DanielSank You are probably right, but you won't hear about school shootings in any other place in the world

and suicidal kids and all that stuff

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform What does that have to do with popularity?

@AccidentalFourierTransform Don't make me look up suicide rates to show how wrong you are about that.

AccidentalFourierTransform

@DanielSank bullying and popularity are very related

heather

@AccidentalFourierTransform, I hang out with a medium sized group of people ranging from uber-nerdy (mathy, sciency, codingy people) to a few artsy people, and we all get along quite well. We are quite far from caring about popularity. A few of us care about how they look, a few don't, a few watch TV, a few don't. ::shrugs::

AccidentalFourierTransform

@DanielSank lets do this ;-)

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform I'm pretty sure Japan and Russia are pretty bad.

Let's find some data.

@heather Sounds nice.

heather

19:20

List of countries by suicide rate

The following is a list of suicide rates by country according to data from the World Health Organization (2012) and other sources, in which a country's rank is determined by its total rate deaths officially recorded as suicides in the most recent available year. The WHO statistics are based on the official reports from each respective country, and therefore, no more accurate than the record-keeping in the specific country. Incidence of suicide tends to be under-reported due to both cultural and social pressures, and possibly completely unreported in some areas. Since the data might be skewe...

AccidentalFourierTransform

I mean, the important parameter is the ratio of suicides in kids vs adults

heather

oh, wait, nvm, that's for all suicides

DanielSank

I didn't have a lot of good friends in high school. Just a couple.

AccidentalFourierTransform

not the absolute numbers

heather

@DanielSank it is.

DanielSank

19:21

yeah but even for all ages, the USA is number 50.

That's pretty far down the list.

AccidentalFourierTransform

@heather its pretty much what D said "It's more fun to have legit good friends than it is to be popular."

heather

@AccidentalFourierTransform, right. I'm curious as to why you thing U.S. popularity focus > that in other countries

AccidentalFourierTransform

it doesnt really matter what the rest of the world thinks about you

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as long as those "medium sized group of people" like you

DanielSank

@heather He's basing it on TV.

:|

Pissed off layman

Being a loner is ok too.

heather

19:23

@DanielSank, !!!

TV!?

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform I just realized something funny: I bet you watch more American TV than I do.

heather

@AccidentalFourierTransform, come on, even your accidentally transformed cat knows better.

DanielSank

@heather Yeah, scroll up.

AccidentalFourierTransform

@DanielSank @heather I cant believe it. TV lied to me again sigh

DanielSank

hahahaha

AccidentalFourierTransform

19:23

all I thought about america is false

heather

lol

Pissed off layman

:D

AccidentalFourierTransform

and youre probably going to tell me that you people are not yellow either right?

heather

lololol

yellow?

what tv show did you get that from?

AccidentalFourierTransform

DanielSank

19:24

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1414751/table/T1

heather

oh gosh lol

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform ahahahahaha

We don't all live in Springfield.

heather

@DanielSank, the table only has u.k, not u.s.

DanielSank

Look for "USA".

Took me a while to figure that out.

heather

ah

usa's pretty far down

DanielSank

19:27

Interestingly, the USA is pretty far down, but not better than most other strongly developed countries.

Most of the leading economic countries in Europe are lower than USA.

AccidentalFourierTransform

and, as I said before, the real parameter is teen vs adult ratio

heather

better than canada

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform I guess that's true. I'm too lazy to compute that.

AccidentalFourierTransform

me too

heather

don't look at me, i'm feeling very lazy

AccidentalFourierTransform

19:29

And, by the way, I dont want you people think that I think that american teens kill themselves all the time. Its just that, as fas as TV portrays you, you seem to be under a lot more pressure than the rest of the (civilised) world

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform Tell that to a Chinese, Indian, or Japanese high schooler.

AccidentalFourierTransform

they all live in the us

DanielSank

They're under far more pressure.

@AccidentalFourierTransform lol

Paging @Kaumudi.H.

Interesting... I don't think I've met a single Japanese on this site!

What's up with that?

AccidentalFourierTransform

they are all married

DanielSank

?

I think Japan is actually experiencing a decline in marriage.

Pissed off layman

19:32

Japanese Language

General discussion for japanese.stackexchange.com

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DanielSank

More women are pursuing careers and I was reading that this has reduced marriage rates considerably.

Hahahaha! Got it!

Waffles are within my grasp!

AccidentalFourierTransform

I don't watch Japanese/Chinese/Indian TV

I can only be judgemental about the states

DanielSank

I have eleven hats.

Where are my waffles?

AccidentalFourierTransform

Waffle falling over

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4,043,050 views, best video ever

DanielSank

I counter your waffle with this

Crushing book with hydraulic press

►

That video is awesome.

And there's a sequel:

Folding aluminum foil with hydraulic press

►

Watch them in order.

These two videos are the basis of a great inside joke for me and @BernardoMeurer.

AccidentalFourierTransform

19:42

damn

I jumped in my chair

DanielSank

Watch the aluminum one next.

One of the best things about these videos is the protagonist's wife laughing maniacally in the background.

AccidentalFourierTransform

meh, the aluminium one does not compare with the one with the book

the second one was kinda boring after that unexpected explosion

DanielSank

The aluminum one features two of the funniest lines uttered on his channel:

1) "I think this is some kind of Damascus foil or some samurai shit right now."

AccidentalFourierTransform

yeah I laughed at that one

DanielSank

2) "Today we are going to find out how many times you can fold aluminium foil with hydraulic press. I had some bad experiences with paper when folding stuff with my press.."

I'm laughing just thinking about that line.

AccidentalFourierTransform

19:55

I didn't hear/get that one

I have to watch that part again

hahaha

well, maybe its a reference to his first video

Can you fold paper more than 7 times with hydraulic press

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he went viral with that one

anyway

suppertime for me

gtg

DanielSank

@AccidentalFourierTransform enjoy. BTW what country do you live in?

AccidentalFourierTransform

Barcelona

DanielSank

Ah, chevere.

AccidentalFourierTransform

I'll leave this here:

How to play the Imperial March on a toad in youtube

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DanielSank

Hasta luego.

AccidentalFourierTransform

19:59

enjoy

bye bye :-)

DanielSank

20:14

Woahhhhh the listings LaTeX package is really useful.

You can tell it to go find a file you've written (any source file, python, C++, Java, LaTeX) and it will display it in your document with a nice box around it and with fixed width fonts etc.

It even does syntax highlighting.

Kelthar

sounds cool xD

Hey, I was going to ask something, but while typing I kinda though how the answer would be, but just to confirm: In Minkowski space, a vector being of the time type means that it is orthogonal to all spatial axes?

Kelthar

20:34

Well, nevermind, here's the answer:

DanielSank

yup

mochacat

22:03

@DanielSank vat de fack

David Z

22:24

@DanielSank just noticing that now... did you know you don't have to have your package in the official distribution (CTAN) to use \usepackage?

DanielSank

@mochacat exactly

DanielSank

22:40

@DavidZ Yep.

In fact, you can stick a sty file in the same directory in which you invoke latex because \usepackage looks there.

David Z

Just checking, it sounded like it could be otherwise

DanielSank

@DavidZ There are pretty wacky rules about where usepackage looks for stuff.

In particular, you can sometimes use relative paths, but that's actually supposed to not work.

Interestingly, some implementations don't disallow .. paths even though they're supposed to for security reasons.

David Z

Yeah, I don't think I've ever actually put a path or filename in \usepackage.

DanielSank

Neither had I before this afternoon.

David Z

Except by accident once, and latex complained vigorously

DanielSank

22:42

heh

Anyway, as soon as I get the file structure set up how CTAN wants it, I'll upload.

Hopefully TeXlive will pick it up within, oh maybe a few years.

:|

David Z

lol

It should show up in their next release, so TeXlive 2017

Sanya

23:53

-5

Q: Did something/someone use a spray to create the whole universe?

Now I know it sounds crazy but what if a being much greater than us created a spray, which contained hydrogen and over time the hydrogen fused into other elements. They look pretty similar. I would love to hear your input please let me know.

big-bang

Pissed off layman

Yup, the universe is just graffiti on the door of heaven/hell.

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