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DanielSank

23:00

@BernardMeurer @heather, funny message from coworker:

Him: Then I saw red text and assumed that had something to do with the problem.
Me: That's called "heuristics" in CS, right?
Him: Yeah. Now I'm going to use the best heuristic: turning it off and on again.
Me: That's going on my quotes list. You're catching up with Bernardo.
Him: Hmm, it's not coming up again. You might have to get Kunal. We need to restart bigger, more important things.

Bernard Meurer

LOL

heather

lol, that's awesome

Bernard Meurer

@heather @dmckee Is a support class who can revive my army when it dies :P

@DanielSank What's the current quotes count?

I told you you need to make some online ranking system

I want to put it on my CV

"Highly quotable: X on the Daniel scale (IS Unit)"

DanielSank

You want me to index my quotes? I guess I can do that...

So many projects. So little time.

Bernard Meurer

Same over here

Although if I implement Schon-Strass well I can use it for Brocard too

heather

23:09

there are always too many projects and too little time

DanielSank

I had to make a rank-ordered list of projects to help decide what to spend time on.

heather

oh, yeah: ubuntu 14.04.5 now =D

should i update again while i'm at it, or no?

DanielSank

YES!

heather

okay

sweet

DanielSank

Excellent!

ack! I mean "yes" as is "good job upgrading".

I didn't mean "yes, you should update".

heather

23:14

oh, okay

DanielSank

Although it can't hurt.

heather

=)

now for the second upgrade. i'll give it a go.

Bernard Meurer

@heather YES

Wait

14?

Try dist-upgrade now

You should be up to 16.04

heather

sorry, i already typed in the next sudo do-release-upgrade...is there a way to stop it?

vzn

hi all spking of video games anyone played with VR yet?

in theory salon, 1 hour ago, by vzn

VR/Virtual Reality unleashed! state-of-the-art 2016 / TMachine blog

heather

23:23

stupid boulder...

DanielSank

?

Bernard Meurer

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

I HAVE A GREY HAIR

HELP

heather

whoa, whoa, whoa: are you sure?

Bernard Meurer

Yes

It is very white

Like, proper grey hair

heather

@DanielSank, I ran into a boulder =) I got around it though (in nethack) and then I made it down two levels and I died.

@BernardMeurer, then pull it out if you are that upset about it.

vzn

23:30

@BernardMeurer probably from Schon-Strass-Brocard

Bernard Meurer

NO! If I take it off 5 new grow

ACuriousMind

@BernardMeurer I'm afraid you'll have to go bald, then.

Bernard Meurer

@vzn Yes, probably

@ACuriousMind OH GOD NO

vzn

@BernardMeurer you know a lot of (hardcore) CS types look down on mere implementers :P

Bernard Meurer

@vzn There's a reason I'm in engineering :)

DanielSank

23:32

@heather XD

Have you tried not dying?

vzn

@BernardMeurer think there are very few undergrads (any year!) who could implement those algorithms... correctly

DanielSank

Also, what server are you playing on? Maybe I'll join in later =D

Bernard Meurer

@vzn ::blushes::

DanielSank

I'll rob all those bones files you're leaving around, lol.

Bernard Meurer

@DanielSank Did you see that JohnRennie gave us a server?

We can run nethack on it :D

Or on Oxide

ACuriousMind

23:33

@heather Wait till you got to Sokoban :)

Boulders everywhere

heather

@ACuriousMind ::winces:: oh, dear

more ways to die/get stuck

DanielSank

@BernardMeurer Yep.

heather

@DanielSank, I have, but yet I always fail. =)

DanielSank

@heather Yes but Sokoban has treasure at the end...

good treasure

ACuriousMind

Bag of holding! (Or was it some amulet? I forget...)

Bernard Meurer

23:35

@vzn I'm still proud of my implementations of Euler's totient and of Ackermann's function

Both have arbitrary precision. Ackermann I managed to do it with iteration instead of recursiveness (MUCH FASTER) and use OpenMP to calculate multiple pairs at once

Euler also has some nice work arounds

heather

I <3 virtual treasure

@DanielSank, I'm using an online thing, I'm not sure if it is multi-person

DanielSank

@heather Nethack isn't multiplyaer, BUT

If you die, most systems create a bones file which keeps track of the stuff you had when you died.

heather

@BernardMeurer, how do you install RDP on linux?

DanielSank

In-game, each dungeon floor may be generated with graves corresponding to a bones file.

vzn

@BernardMeurer cool what are those written in? c++?

DanielSank

23:38

You can dig them up and take the goodies, but there is a very high chance of the items being cursed...

heather

@DanielSank, whoa, that's cool

DanielSank

Yes, Nethack is totally awesome.

The saying is "The dev team thinks of everything".

heather

yay, cursed items, always wanted those =)

DanielSank

Well, if you can uncurse them...

Bernard Meurer

@heather Idk on Ubuntu, Arch uses a program called rdesktop. Google for xrdp, I think that's what Ubuntu has on it's normal repos

sudo apt-get install xrdp

@vzn Yep

vzn

23:39

@Daniel is @heather now running linux based on your install directions? is it running on a chromebook? cool stuff/ quite a hack... what distro anyway?

Bernard Meurer

Euler's Totient, Ackermann Function

Shoutout to @Obliv for giving me the Euler idea

DanielSank

@vzn Bernardo helped her out there. Not me.

Bernard Meurer

What the heck, where's @Obliv

DanielSank

I'm only on call for git, quantum mechanics, and nethack.

vzn

@DanielSank ok maybe got your tex install directions mixed up. (also impressive) hey installing tex is prob nearly as hard as installing linux these days...

Bernard Meurer

23:40

@vzn I'm offended you didn't think it was I who got Linux on an unorthodox hardware

It's like, my entire life so far :(

heather

@vzn, yep, on a chromebook. distro = ubuntu 14

@BernardMeurer is magical that way. =)

vzn

ubuntu is great stuff :) have been running it a long time, cant admit how long :|

Bernard Meurer

@heather Soon enough we'll move you to Arch, you'll never look back :P

heather

@BernardMeurer, xrdp is installing

vzn

@BernardMeurer (linuz rulez!) so chromebooks run their own distro & you install ubuntu on another partition right?

Bernard Meurer

23:42

@heather Now go figure out how to use it :P

rdesktop -g 1440x900 -P -z -x l -u bernardo IP:3319

My rdesktop command looks like this

heather

oh geesh

Bernard Meurer

Beware of that high resolution

@vzn I'm not sure, crouton did the magic, I just directed her to the right steps and helped with questions. I don't have the hardware to do tests on.

heather

how do i access a pre-setup server?

with xrdp, i mean.

Bernard Meurer

The only machines I have that run Linux are My computer, my Kindle, my calculator

@heather pre-setup?

heather

pre-setup?

Bernard Meurer

23:45

What do you mean by that

That doesn't mean anything to me

Or well, not in this context

Elliot Yu

If you are more GUI inclined, try Remmina too

vzn

@BernardMeurer wondering why chome OS is not enough & ppl install ubuntu on top of it

DanielSank

@ElliotYu I like remmina.

heather

john rennie sent me a user name, password, address, and port, and told me i need RDP to connect. @BernardMeurer

Bernard Meurer

@vzn To run python? To run anything at all?

DanielSank

23:46

It's nice that it supports rdp.

^ That

heather

@DanielSank, just installed nethacker on the linux side of things =D

Bernard Meurer

@ElliotYu Very good addition, appreciated.

heather

@vzn, to play nethacker, of course...

vzn

@BernardMeurer so its not possible to install/ run python (etc) inside chrome os?

Bernard Meurer

@vzn Chrome OS runs Chrome

They meant it when they called it "Chrome OS"

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heather

23:50

yup, the chromium side of things is all internet based. nothing but chrome add-ons for extra functionality.

besides, linux is awesome. @BernardMeurer and @DanielSank have permanently turned me to linux. =D

DanielSank

@heather Never say "forever".

;)

vzn

@BernardMeurer ok starting to understand! linux.com/learn/how-easily-install-ubuntu-chromebook-crouton ... have you ever heard of "native client" NaCl? thought it was way cool idea years ago but never hear anything about it these days... seemed like natural for a "netbook"...

Bernard Meurer

@heather As my apprentice you will unavoidably betray me and go to BSD one day

DanielSank

buy you like bsd...

Bernard Meurer

@vzn Have not heard of NaCl, just used Crouton with Heather

@DanielSank Yes, but I am loyal to Linux

heather

23:54

@BernardMeurer, BSD?

Bernard Meurer

@heather DONT GOOGLE IT

heather

is that the thing you were going to switch too because Linux wasn't hard enough?

FreeBSD

FreeBSD is a free Unix-like operating system descended from Research Unix via the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD). Although for legal reasons FreeBSD cannot use the Unix trademark, it is a direct descendant of BSD, which was historically also called "BSD Unix" or "Berkeley Unix". The first version of FreeBSD was released in 1993, and today FreeBSD is the most widely used open-source BSD distribution, accounting for more than three-quarters of all installed systems running open-source BSD derivatives. FreeBSD has similarities with Linux, with two major differences in scope and licensing: FreeBSD...

^this thing?

Bernard Meurer

@heather Yes :P

That's even the BSD I wanted to use

I need new problems to solve

heather

i skimmed some stuff about BSD - seems like a. something i shouldn't get into until i'm familiar with linux and b. something that is only different from linux on a scale that is so technical I won't understand it for a bit

Bernard Meurer

I wish Linux was a microkernel

heather

23:57

so i don't think i'm going to mess with that one =) no need to worry about me turning to the dark side.

Bernard Meurer

@heather Good analysis.

the differences are not too technical, but are more, ehm, refined

Elliot Yu

Yeah, but Hurd is still not really useable...

Debian Hurd and Arch Hurd do exist though

Bernard Meurer

@ElliotYu Who the heck are you

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