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00:01
hmm...oh, i tried using google translate, and i think it would've worked, except i couldn't log in within the google translate interface, and it didn't recognize being logged in in another tab.
so i couldn't access the chat room, because I needed to be logged in.
Wait... what?
You tried to get in here from school via Google Translate?
yeah
its kind of cool, if you put the website into google translate, and say from spanish to english, even if it is english, (or any language to english) you can access forbidden sites.
and click into the site from the translate interface, i mean.
i'm thinking the school doesn't know about that trick =)
That's too funny.
=)
it's such a big loophole, too.
Hi, @EmilioPisanty.
00:09
yo folks, we had a huge campaign and we've had this up for months and no one noticed?
Whaddya mean nobody noticed?
embarrassing is what it is
Anyone mind if I flag them, just to test an extension I'm working on?
the missing 's'!
Not sure if that counts as abuse
00:09
^genau
@SirCumference Don't do that
@ACuriousMind All right, if you say so
@EmilioPisanty, that's so terribly bothersome =/
(assuming you mean a chat rude/offensive flags)
@heather it's fixed now
00:10
@heather Easy to fix, yes?
oh
@ACuriousMind Yeah, I'm trying to test whether or not they'll go through
@EmilioPisanty, oh, that's reassuring
The userscript might mess it up
@heather well, you won't see it any more
Those are visible across the network to all 10k users in chat; doesn't matter if the flagged person minds, they certainly mind
00:11
but it's been up since June, at a clip of 1.5 clicks per day, and who knows how many views
@ACuriousMind :(
admittedly it's pretty easy to not notice
but still
@EmilioPisanty That just shows how error-tolerant human language parsers are.
@DanielSank yeah, exaclty
ho ho
"c" what I did there?
ho ho
I don't get it.
00:13
'ho ho' anywhere between october and december automatically makes people think of santa
@DanielSank you're just extra error-tolerant
@DanielSank, mispelled exaclty in the first line =)
and i did too
In other news, mathematicians seem to really hate arXiv Analytics and SciRate
also this one is not a happy ad in any of its incarnations
oh well...
00:17
...
I thought it was pretty clever at the time
arXiv was fresh off the (actual) one-million mark
that is clever
why don't people like it?
i made a few attempts at community ads a bit ago for the new site; haven't posted them yet because the new site isn't quite complete
@heather it's harder than it looks
00:21
indeed, mine weren't too hot
the best one was, um, let me find it
Hi, @BernardMeurer.
@DanielSank Howdy
Most insane Quake round of my life!
@BernardMeurer, hello
Rust seems to actually have support for oop but just in a different way than I'm used to.
Did U win?
We're doing an Age of Empires II day on the weekend
Ye :)
00:21
@DanielSank is oop singular for oops?
@heather Go rob you father's raspberry pi's
We're building a supercomputing cluster
@EmilioPisanty OOP = object oriented programming.
@heather that's not bad
00:22
@BernardMeurer, ::drumroll:: my dad already has a cluster of 4
@DanielSank that's a shame
that i can use if i ask nicely and explain what i'm doing =)
@heather I would say... it's usually better to go positive instead of negative.
@EmilioPisanty Don't listen to him, OOP=Oh Ornaments Plank
This ad shows a frustrated child, but the thing you're advertising is not frustration. Rather, you're advertising enlightenment and/or help.
00:23
@heather Bah, your dad's too cool for me
@heather just make sure it's the right dimensions. and possibly a slightly less annoying child in the background.
@BernardMeurer @heather's dad is a total boss.
So I've been told
@DanielSank, yeah. Also, it isn't representative of all the people we want to help (question answerers, grad level, etc)
He came into the lab and knew what all the pumps were, etc. and when I mentioned our 12 layer FPGA arbitrary waveform generator, he was like "That's cute, I made a 24 layer board once."
@heather Very good point.
00:24
@EmilioPisanty, lol, I was told it was funny =P
@BernardMeurer With the new expansions or old school?
@DanielSank, well, to be fair, that was @ACuriousMind's point =)
@ACuriousMind Probably old school
A 24-layer board FPGA has more layers than my brain
aaaaanyways, having sought atonement for my spelling sins, I am off to bed
'night all
@BernardMeurer Not the FPGA, the circuit board the FPGA was on.
00:25
@BernardMeurer, yeah, there's no way I'm ever gonna be as cool as him =)
@DanielSank Swiftly fixed
@EmilioPisanty, good night =)
@heather I'll bet against those odds
@BernardMeurer, I wouldn't bet much =) Anyway, why did you want a cluster? I could do a computation for you if you wanted
I need to compute factorials :P
BIG
Factorials
00:27
hooboy, okay, give me a legitimate excuse to tell my dad, and I can set it up (this computer can vnc into the supercluster if he gives me the password =D)
well, i mean, set it up with your help =P
how large are these factorials?
>10^9
::laughs like a madman::
oh my gosh why are you doing this
::questions sanity::
::debates calling 911:
Isn't it obvious?
Because I can!
homework?
oh
okay that sounds good too
legitimate excuse....hmm.
Also I'm trying to attack the brocard-rammanujan diophantine equation
00:29
Bernardo is nuts.
4
goodness what in the universe is that mouthful? ::googles::
@DanielSank I hope you have dispatched all potatoes around you before saying that.
Dear future employer: I AM SANE
@heather $n!+1=m^2$
Brocard's problem is a problem in mathematics that asks to find integer values of n and m for which n ! + 1 = m 2 , {\displaystyle n!+1=m^{2},} where n! is the factorial. It was posed by Henri Brocard in a pair of articles in 1876 and 1885, and independently in 1913 by Srinivasa Ramanujan. == Brown numbers == Pairs of the numbers (n, m) that solve Brocard's problem are called Brown numbers. There are only three known pairs of Brown numbers: (4,5), (5,11...
^looks awesome
@ACuriousMind pffft. Whatever. @BernardMeurer can't hurt me.
00:31
It has some weak relations to Szipiro's conjecture and the ABC conjecture
you are not insane
You know what else is fun, the Collatz conjecture.
That one is just maddening.
@ACuriousMind He's my adoptive father, I can't hurt him
Dear future employer of @BernardMeurer: he IS sane
^ False
00:32
@heather Watch out what you say
@BernardMeurer Yes, writing that in ALL CAPS surely underscores your sanity.
lol that edit @DanielSank
@ACuriousMind Hm? It doesn't underscore it, it capitalizes it
Much better
@DanielSank, I've played with that a bit (collatz) - pinnacle of maddening
@DanielSank Good edit, lol
@heather Grad school apartment-mate tried to approach with with some kind of path integration method.
00:33
@BernardMeurer, how's "I'd like to practice using python on the supercomputer"
Never got anywhere... but he did wind up taking all our dinner plates to his room and never brought them back.
@heather :|
@DanielSank, I tried to approach with the random modular arithmetic method =P
@heather I ain't doing arbitrary precision maths in Python :P
okay, yeah, that's pretty bad
Didn't Erdos say that Collatz is beyond human abilities?
00:34
I'd drive me insane
C++ with GMP and OpenMP
@DanielSank, current mathematics, yeah
@BernardMeurer, so you aren't computing large factorials?
> Paul Erdős said about the Collatz conjecture: "Mathematics may not be ready for such problems."
^ From Wikipedia
Erdos said there are no extra Brocard pairs too :P
@heather I am, just not using Python
@BernardMeurer, oh
Ah, I've heard of Collatz
Those are trivial computations though
00:35
"I'd like to try to use the supercomputer to solve a few large problems and practice writing programs that split the task between them"? @BernardMeurer
It'd just be a matter of using FFFT in an implementation of Schonhage-Strassen's algorithm for large multiplications
And then find something similar for the divisions
possibly find some version of FFFT suited for the GPU and integrate with CUDA, that's less trivial though
i have no clue what any of that is =)
@heather "Yo Vader, I've been thinking of trying to do some computational mathematics projects, like calculating with arbitrary precision and factorials. Could I please use the cluster to test if my code scales well on very large threadpools? Bless up"
@BernardMeurer The hell is FFFT?
*FFFTW=Fastest Fourier Transform in The West
@DanielSank A typo
00:39
^ That's why your school doesn't want you here, @heather... such bad language.
first thought: fast fourier transform, second thought: that can't be it, that's too many f's
@DanielSank, yeah, except that's the whole internet
@heather Google it, FFFTW
How does a 13 year old know what a fast Fourier transform is?!
00:39
@DanielSank My language is great
My brain asplode
@DanielSank, because of the quantum fourier transform and shor's algorithm (i.e., because of you) =)
and believe me when i first saw that, i was like "what in the universe is fourier?"
Sigh, I'm going to go have a beer to help me deal with the insignificance of my brain
@heather A very hairy equation
Bad-tum-dss
@BernardMeurer, I'll ask my dad about the whole cluster thing
@BernardMeurer wat?
00:41
@heather <3
Dude, you should come live with me.
I got space.
We can hang out.
@DanielSank When I was 13 I was hacking pokemon lol
I'll teach you Smash Bros, and you teach me Quake.
@BernardMeurer How?
@DanielSank I have nothing to do over summer :P
@BernardMeurer, that's awesome!
00:42
When I was 13 I was... I don't remember.
you know, i've never played pokemon
@heather :O
@ACuriousMind, don't have a video game system of any form
so kind of hard too =)
::shakes head sadly::
@DanielSank I had an action replay, you can insert code in HEX in the game to hack it, I used to spend hours looking at hexdumps and building my own HEX-code for cheating
@heather What?!
00:43
@heather You've got a computer in front of you, haven't you? :P
@ACuriousMind We must fix this, now
well yeah
okay, how do i play pokemon on the computer?
and, um, what's the point of pokemon? like, what do you do?
@heather False. You have a computer.
you know what, i'm just going to google it
@heather Where are you? I will give you my Nintendo DS if it means you'll finish at least 1 Pokemon game
00:44
Video games are a very common entry point of interest for programmers!
My first interest in programming was that I wanted to play a game... so I programmed it in C!
DS emulator
It was soooooo slowwww that I couldn't actually have much fun with it though.
Start with Pokemon Diamond, it's what I started with, it's an AWESOME game
00:45
@heather Forget Pokemon!
Don't listen to these bums.
Play Asteroids or something!
Plenty of emulators around. Alas, I'm afraid you might not have a legal way to acquire the ROM data required to play.
Or zomg play nethack!
@heather You capture wild animals and make them fight to death
The greatest game of all!!!!
@DanielSank Tetris >>>> nethack
00:45
You make a compelling argument, but are wrong.
nethack?
@DanielSank I second that @heather. Nethack is awesome.
@heather Yes. Nethack.
It's so, so much fun.
@BernardMeurer, ugh, i can't play tetris for long periods of time
can I just submit minecraft, here?
that's a fun game
00:46
@heather Why not? I played it for 5 hours after my chemistry exam
If you like minecraft I suspect you will love nethack.
@heather Minecraft is cool
how do i play this nethack? I googled it and it looks AWESOME!!!
sudo apt-get install nethack
@DanielSank I'm afraid I have to tell you something...
00:47
@heather There are sort of two ways to play nethack: spoiled and unspoiled. A huge part of nethack is learning all the tricks about how the game works. There is an incredible depth of possibilities in the game.
I turned the Oxide server into a Quake 3 server LOLOLOL
You can look stuff up (spoiled) or try to figure it out yourself (unspoiled).
Something is written in the dust: Elbere!hElber?thElberet.El?ereth
Nethack is hard and even reading lots of spoilers online, it is still very hard to win.
@ACuriousMind heheheheh
Did you ever win it, @DanielSank? I didn't, to this day
00:48
@DanielSank, I'll start by trying to do it unspoiled
Note that in nethack, if your character dies, that's it. The save file is deleted!
@ACuriousMind Only by cheating. Never legitimately.
"E: package 'nethack' has no installation candidate"
paging @BernardMeurer
@BernardMeurer >:(
Fine, I'll run elsewhere.
@DanielSank I stopped it already though, I just needed it for tonight
Don't be sad :P
It was just for a little bit
@heather Probably something to do with old repos again
Sigh, I really want to dist-upgrade you
curses
00:50
but I don't want to read
@heather That's a great C library
@BernardMeurer, what are the possible consequences of a dist-upgrade?
curses is a terminal control library for Unix-like systems, enabling the construction of text user interface (TUI) applications. The name is a pun on the term “cursor optimization”. It is a library of functions that manage an application's display on character-cell terminals (e.g., VT100). == Overview == Using curses, programmers are able to write text-based applications without writing directly for any specific terminal type. The curses library on the executing system sends the correct control characters based on the terminal type. It provides an abstraction of one or more windows that maps onto...
@heather I'm not sure yet, I don't own a chromebook to guinea-pig
At first glance nothing should happen
hmm. well, how high is the probability of breaking the whole computer?
Do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it will ask for confirmation before it runs, don't worry, take a look at the upgrade list
well that was weird
00:52
Just back up any data you care about. Since you're using github, you probably don't have much on your disk you care about.
nothing happened
@DanielSank, yeah, I don't have any files i care about
just messing around type stuff
okay
do i need to "backup existing ubuntu installation"?
if so how?
Nah, you just said you don't care about the files
right, okay
wait, how do you check what version you are running currently?
because i think it might be prior to 15.10
00:57
@heather You are definitely prior to 15.
I think you're on 12.
okay
IIRC you're on something like 12, yeah
12.04
Which is probably EOL by now
yeah it's 12.04, the command was in the notes it sent me too if prior to 15.10
user228700
Hey, everyone :-) Is anybody familiar w/ the Ostwald-Walker Experiment to determine the relative lowering of vapour pressure?
there doesn't seem to be an update manager on my system, or i can't find it
user228700
01:11
@JohnRennie Ping ping ^
@BernardMeurer, halp
@heather Hmmm
try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get full-upgrade
"E: invalid operation full"
=/
it stopped and gave that error, not sure why
01:22
Okay
Go to Ubuntu help on SE
and ask a question
I don't know how to fix this :(
okay
I haven't used Ubuntu in a long time now, I don't remember the apt hacks :/
here's the question:
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Q: Weird problem updating from 12.04 on chromebook

heatherI installed ubuntu 12.04 using crouton on my chromebook. I'd like to update the distribution, because I can't always install the packages I'd like too. I followed various instructions online, and in chat, but I kept running into dead ends - for instance, I can't seem to find an update manager any...

01:43
@heather is it "dist-upgrade" rather than "full-upgrade"? See, e.g. this
i think i might want to do sudo do-release-upgrade
@AlfredCentauri I thought full-upgrade worked too
as one of the comments references
It's like a synonym to dist-upgrade I thought
@BernardMeurer if the linked answer is correct, "apt full-upgrade" is equivalent to "apt-get dist-upgrade". The command you give above is "apt-get full-upgrade" which might be equivalent to neither.
01:47
@AlfredCentauri Ah, that was my mistake then :)
As I said, it's been a while since I used apt :P
@heather Sorry for that
@BernardMeurer, so run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
Try the sudo apt full-upgrade
"sudo: apt: command not found"
strange...
Bah, try dist upgrade then
sudo dist-upgrade?
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
right, the latter, nvm
01:53
@heather yeah, I think that "apt" works for $\ge$ 14.04 only
@BernardMeurer, I see you were impressed with the homebuilt minicomputer?
I hate apt
@AlfredCentauri Yes, very much so
@BernardMeurer yeah, me too. Have you seen the homebuilt computer where the gates are made from relays?
Oh dear god
this computer is driving me nuts
i'm developing a love-hate relationship with linux. it would be purely love, except for my idiocy.
::sighs::
okay, that didn't work either.
well, it sort of did.
it didn't give an error.
but it didn't do anything.
@heather did the command finish and return you to a prompt or is it just not giving you feedback?
02:04
You grow to love the experience of learning how to use an OS
command finished and returned to prompt
I love it at least
Recently I've been considering moving to BSD just because I haven't found many problems on linux that I had to think on how to solve
@AlfredCentauri dist-upgrade doesn't do anything for her
which is super weird
maybe i did something wonky earlier and now that's messing it up?
though i don't see why that'd be the case...
@BernardMeurer, so follow those instructions in the linux terminal, or the shell on the chrome side of things?
02:08
@heather Chrome most likely
@heather perhaps. I've always 'upgraded' to a new Ubuntu version by performing a clean install. Well, I take that back, I have done a "dist-upgrade" on an older computer to see if it would work and it did so I don't have any experience with failed upgrades like this.
@BernardMeurer, okay here goes =)
wait, would I be quantal? because i have 12.04?
I'd be Precise Pangolin?
@heather I think that's correct
02:12
okay
hmm, PrecisePangolin, Precise Pangolin, Precise-Pangolin, and Precise_Pangolin all didn't work in the command
@heather if you run the graphical update manager, does it give you the option of doing the upgrade to 14.04?
@AlfredCentauri, there doesn't appear to be a graphical update manager, or if there is, I can't find it
@heather at the command prompt, run "update-manager" (without quotes)
the command prompt...? @AlfredCentauri
@heather sorry, in a terminal window, enter the command "update-manager" (leave off the quotes)
02:18
oh, okay
"command not found"
not sure if this has to do with it, but I'm on a chromebook; i have linux installed using crouton
@heather I see; that's a configuration I have no experience with. I'll look up "crouton" and see what the heck it is.
Crouton (Chromium OS Universal Chroot Environment) is a set of scripts which allows Ubuntu, Debian and Kali Linux systems to run parallel to a Chrome OS system. Crouton works by using a chroot instead of dual-booting to allow a user to run two desktop environments at the same time: Chrome OS and another environment of the user's choice. == References == == External links == Crouton on GitHub Crouton on reddit Crouton Central on Google forums Crouton Users on Google+ Communities...
^only two sentences, but a pretty good summary =)
^what I used to get things set up
I do apparently have an ARM chromebook, judging by the article, so this paragraph might be relevant:
"There’s one catch, though. On ARM Chromebooks, you’re a bit limited in what you can do. Some programs don’t run on ARM–basically, you won’t be able to run closed-source applications that haven’t been compiled for ARM Linux. You have access to a variety of open source tools and desktop applications that can be recompiled for ARM, but most closed-source applications won’t work on those machines."
@heather this is a long shot but try entering the command "updater"
use sudo, or no?
just plain updater gives 'command not found'
Try pressing the ALT key and the F2 key at the same time
02:37
that doesn't do anything except exit from the terminal (?)
user116211
Did anyone check this comment/mnemonic to remember Maxwell's Relations:
user116211
There's a little mnemonic device for remembering maxwell's relations, see, e.g., en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_square As a humorous aside, note that wikipedia suggests several mnemonics. But they fail to mention the one I was taught in the late 1960's. And I'm not googling it anywhere on the entire internet. So here it is, for the first time in 50 years -- Poor Girls That Are Virgins Usually Stay Home. — John Forkosh 3 hours ago
user116211
Must say never found such hilarious mnemonic.
@heather wow, that should have brought up a window that allows you to enter and search for commands. Ordinarily, it is ALT + F4 key combination that closes windows. I'm afraid I lack the experience with the chrome/crouton/ubuntu combo to be of any help.
@AlfredCentauri, thank you, I have no idea what I'm doing either =) hmm, I wonder what ALT-F4 will do...
hmm, nope that's logging out
@AlfredCentauri, oh, geesh, I feel stupid. I pressed the wrong key combination, it does bring up a search window.
ALT-F2, I mean.
i have to go, sorry

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