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yeah
^this might be the problem
my profile appears to be hidden from the public
John's link works fine for me, you yes, the problem is you :P
@heather Ah. The truth is out!
yep, they found out my secrets
i'm a robot
sorry guys =P
I get it, it's tricky to circumvent pass the "not a robot" tests sometimes.
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17:02
yeah
okay, I contacted github
hopefully this will be fixed soon =)
@heather if you want you can upload it to swarchive.ratsauce.co.uk/.uploads and I'll put it in a gist for you ...
That URL is the server in the cupboard under my stairs. Very useful to have your own server :-)
Is it true that everything tends to have a lower state of energy
@koolman do you mean a lowest state of energy i.e. an energy level that it can't fall below?
@JohnRennie Wait, you allow random people to upload stuff to your server?
brb, procuring tar bomb
Yeah@JohnRennie
17:09
@JohnRennie Is that where Harry Potter lives?
@JohnRennie, thanks, but the email should come in a few minutes (it said, probably going to actually be 6-8 weeks) and I'd rather have it under my own account.
@Loong I evicted him to make room for the server.
@koolman if there isn't a lowest energy state for a system that means the energy can keep decreasing forever, and as the energy of the system keeps decreasing it can keep transferring energy to something else. So we have an infinite source of energy.
Since there are no infinite sources of energy (as far as we know) that means everything must have a lowest energy state.
@JohnRennie that means every system wants to be in lowest state of energy
@JohnRennie but according to first law , energy is conserved
@koolman a system can only fall into its lowest energy state if it can transfer its energy somewhere else.
For example an excited hydrogen atom can fall into the ground state if it emits energy as a photon.
That's why my example of a system with no lowest state works as an infinite energy source. It would be like a hydrogen atom continually emitting photons as it fell into lower and lower energy states.
But why would surrounding will take energy . It will also try to be in lowest energy state .
@JohnRennie
17:17
No ground state is pretty bad
Then the vacuum just radiates infinitely
It will cook your goose
@koolman it depends on the temperature of the system relative to its surroundings.
it's certainly true that if you put a system in a very hot environment then there will be a net flow on energy into that system, and the system won't be able to fall into its ground state.
@JohnRennie How
So for example if we put a hydrogen atom into the Sun then it can't fall into the ground state because the Sun is so hot it heats up the hydrogen atom and keeps it excited.
@JohnRennie can you give me one more example
user116211
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Q: Problem with derivatives for spherical coordinates

user313448I got stuck with some derivative, I can't think of a solutions for this, this is the last expression, because I am taking the derivative of a function with respect to it's integral basically?!? I am looking to find some kinetic energy derivatives for lagrangian. Help will be much apprciated.

user116211
17:25
None of the posts are actually answering whatever the question is, are they?
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@koolman Suppose you put a pendulum into a car and drive over bumpy ground. The ground state of the pendulum is to be hanging down motionless, but the car will keep the pendulum bob bouncing around so it can't settle into its ground state.
@MAFIA36790, none of them are, no
i flagged them
and edited one because phi is not spelled fiy
I...don't actually get what the question is asking
They seem to be confused about what a partial derivative is
But what is the actual question?
question: how do you write $\phi$ in latex
as the curl thing he's got
17:36
\varphi
ah, thank you
The $\phi$ is the "print" version, the $\varphi$ the "handwriting" version, just like most people write their 'a's differently from how it's printed
hmm, okay, I didn't know that
(although I learned that in the same class that taught me apparently wrong pronounciations, so I don't guarantee that's true :D)
one last question: how do you make the cursive $l$?
17:40
Do you mean $\ell$ \ell?
btw, do you know about detexify?
oh, thanks
It's great for looking up those things
detexify, okay, I'll start using that =)
Although some symbols are so ambiguous to draw it can't help you either
I edited the post to get rid of the image, and fix some grammar issues, and edit in what he said in an "answer"
17:42
Has the name of the pdfs downloaded from arXiv suddenly changed to "document" instead of the number for anyone else?
If anything, this is even worse than the numbering scheme
one moment, let me check
nope, i've still got numbers
hm
I now have document.pdf to document(7).pdf in my download folder-.-
@ACuriousMind, 0_0
as an aside, though, would you mind looking at the flags I put on the answers to that question?
The pdfs seems to be fine, just the naming is off
@heather VLQ and NAA flags are hidden from moderators for 15 minutes after they are cast
@ACuriousMind, ah, gotcha
okay
17:45
On fast moving sites, this allows the community to handle them via review, on slow-moving sites, it's just annoying
Should I take this seriously?
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Q: Pressure in water-filled universe

user2905179Imagine an infinite universe completely filled with pure, liquid water. Would there be any local pressure? I think there should be, since the moving particles would hit any imaginary surface continually. But how could this pressure be calculated?

yay! I'm now visible again on github =P
^please tell me that works
The answer is that a static universe with the density of water would be closed not infinite and could be static only at the moment where it changed from expansion to recollapse.
thank goodness
@JohnRennie, I don't see why not. Seems like a legitimate question to me.
17:49
But this seems like a lot of explaining for probably little end result.
Hi, everybody.
i guess it could be too broad; I don't know enough about it to know whether or not that's a close reason there @JohnRennie
@heather the problem is you have to explain how GR describes the universe and that's going to get very complicated very quickly.
@DanielSank, hello =)
@JohnRennie, that seems a bit broad, then, yeah. i guess you could post a comment saying that...
@heather Well, downloading it works, but you didn't upload the pictures so it doesn't compile.
I can just comment them out, though
17:51
@heather nitpick: It's helpful to break lines at the end of sentences in TeX. This makes looking at version control diffs a little easier. Not a big deal, just a tip.
@ACuriousMind, (::bangs head on table::) okay, I can figure out how to upload them
@ACuriousMind Just use a smiley face.
@DanielSank, okay
@heather If you use a github repository then you can easily upload everything needed to build your document.
@heather Banging ACM's head on the table isn't nice, even though we've all been tempted to do it at times ;-)
17:52
Or we can just substitute smiley faces for all your images :)
@DanielSank, I didn't use a repository though, did I?
@JohnRennie, =P I meant my own head, but that works too
@heather Nope, you're using gist (which I've never used before).
I think a gist is more like a single file with no version history, or something. Not sure.
I didn't even know gist existed until Heather mentioned it. I guess it's GitHub's verison of pastebin.
hmm, let's try this again: repository time.
So, @heather, with "looking at it" you meant that I leave comments on the style and TeX?
(And I'll leavre them at a repository once you've created it and I've recalled what on earth by github credentials were
I know I have an account there, I just don'T remember what it is :S
17:56
sure, yeah. I guess i just meant to skim it and see if there were any idiotic mistakes in tex or calculus or style =P
@heather Groovy. Let us know if you need help. Git has a notoriously steep initial learning curve.
(But it's really super turbo useful)
@JohnRennie Who's NosfeR2-D2? New Space Vampire movie?
1 hour ago, by John Rennie
What do you get if cross a vampire with a robot?
whew, okay, let me know how this looks:
(the repository)
But of course some Star Wars nerds not a million miles from here immediately objected that the joke should be What do you get if cross a vampire with an astromech droid?.
well, it should =P
18:00
:: facepalm ::
@JohnRennie They're not wrong.
@JohnRennie ::shakes head disapprovingly::
:: facepalm II - the facepalm strikes back ::
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@JohnRennie Should be ::Facepalm V::...
18:03
^
Get it together, dude.
@JohnRennie, you're just struggling with all your jokes today
His joke instincts are on point, it's his Star Wars knowledge that's problematic.
@DanielSank, did I do the repository correctly?
@DanielSank It's shameful, really =P
I'm sure I was sane when I originally joined this chatroom
18:06
@heather Looks fine as far as I can tell.
In the end, you'll want to avoid storing binary image formats in git, but for now just don't worry about it.
@DanielSank, okay
@heather Yeah, one thing at a time.
Your repo looks fine.
@JohnRennie That'd be a trivial robot-bundle on the vampire for me (I wonder if @ACuriousMind appreciates that)
You guys are all insane
I'll go back to studying chemistry, exam tomorrow
Also, ionic compounds are insane too
@BalarkaSen Yep, first came across that one at MO ;)
18:11
@BernardMeurer Oh come on. You know it should have been V instead of II.
@ACuriousMind The trivial lime bundle on a taurus :-)))))
@JohnRennie Also, ur title case is wrong.
@BernardMeurer And that R2-D2 is an astromech droid, not a robot
@DanielSank Don't get stroppy with me
@JohnRennie Stroppy?
Is that a British thing?
18:12
I was just wondering that
Also, note that we have a FAQ on question titles.
@DanielSank stropping = use of case to indicate reserved words in a programming language
That may have confused you as we do not capitalize each word in titles on PSE. For works of literature/film/etc. one should capitalize each word (except for "of", "the", etc.).
@JohnRennie Oh, LOL
@DanielSank lol
@heather $\cos(\cos(x))$ is not $\cos^2(x)$!
18:14
I won't embark on my career as a comedian just yet ...
It's stupid notation, but $\cos^2(x)$ is really $\cos(x)\cdot \cos(x)$.
oh...I thought it was applying cos(x) twice...
what line was that?
@heather I'll post a comment with all my remarks with line references soon-ish
@DanielSank, (::trembles in awe::)
@ACuriousMind, okay, thank you!
18:16
@ACuriousMind Yes, it is ridiculous notation. I always write $\cos(x)^2$ in defiance of the stupidity.
@heather when you make a commit, if you put "Fixes #123" in the commit message, then issue #123 gets automatically closed when the commit is pushed to your master branch.
github is pretty cool
@DanielSank, okay, good to know!
@heather Even on projects I work on by myself, I use the issue tracker to keep organized.
For example, when working on my PhD thesis, I made issues like "Add section explaining parametric amplifier" etc.
Suppose that's issue #123. Then I make a branch called 123-parametric_amplifier to do the work.
This is nice because if I get stuck/bored and want to work on something else, I switch branches and can keep the work nice and tidy.
This is actually pretty standard operating procedure in the software world where you have dozens on people working on the same code.
Of course, for yourself just getting started, it's not really that important. I'm just letting you know what options and best practices are out there.
Oh also, when you get sick of typing your password all the time, you can instead use a key pair to authenticate yourself with github.
@heather if you look at your GitHub site you should see you now have a pull request from me.
@JohnRennie, yep, I do
Oooohhhh fancy!
18:25
This is an example of how collaborative working is done in GitHub.
"merge pull request"?
You can merge the request to make the changes i suggest or you can discard the request to ignore them.
hmm, okay
You can click on the request link to see what the change was.
Definitely look at the diff before merging it!
18:26
I'm not suggesting you should actually accept my request as it's a trivial change anyway, but this is how we nerds manage our multimillion line apps with multiple developers.
yeah, I did, and I saw your comment, and I now know the beauty of line breaks.
There's one core repository managed by a central team, and the various developers submit pull requests for the changes they have made.
Yeah, most diff tools (including github's) work on a line-by-line basis. It makes sense for most source code.
You can see the "network" of your project, now including JR's addition.
there's so many cool tools here!
Yes. Github is very useful.
18:30
i'm doing all the line breaks now
Hi peeps! Do you think this is a large spoon or a small one, compared to a typical tablespoon?
Of course, I'm asking you as physicists.
1. How am I supposed to tell the size of a spoon without anything to reference in the picture? 2. Why would you ask this to physicists?
18:33
Come on. Look closer. There are subtle hints.
Suppose that that's a dollop of cream.
(::sighs::) I like my frames of reference.
@ACuriousMind halp
oh god I have automatic emails from github enabled. I hate sites with such defaults.
Why do we need 1) to define QFT operators on a subset of H instead of H 2) why does it need to be dense
@heather Take your experience of normal cream as your frame of reference.
I'm being a bit catty, but a bit serious as well.
18:38
@Slereah 1. Nothing to do with QFT, it's a general thing that unbounded operators are only well-defined on a subset of $H$. 2. The exponential of such an unbounded operator will act on the closure of the domain of definition. If the domain is not dense, you can't act on all states with the exponential.
@Færd That could be mashed potatoes for all we know.
@Færd small
@DanielSank I would like to know how you think it affects the answer. (But I did say suppose it's cream)
@koolman Thank you. Why?
@Færd Cream doesn't sit like that. Cream is a liquid.
Do you mean whipped cream?
@Færd as if it is large the height of cream should be more
18:41
@DanielSank Even whipped cream doesn't sit so firm. I think.
@Færd It most certainly can.
Depends on how hard it's been whipped
But could we be more specific?
@DanielSank Oh.
The way the bottom edge of the white material doesn't form a fillet with the spoon is a bit odd.
18:42
If it large spoon it would have large surface area and according to that more height
@Færd is my answer correct
@koolman I think a larger dollop tends to flatten more, because the ratio of the surface to the volume is smaller.
I had a casual argument with some poeple about this spoon. I said I think it's about the size of a tablespoon, because of the shape of the cream (supposing it's actually cream).
@heather Since opening an issue just for a positive comment seems silly, let me say here that I'm overall impressed by the clarity of your writing. I didn't have to read a single sentence more than once to get what you mean, which is rare even in texts where I know the subject matter by heart.
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Oh yeah
Particularly the parting angle on the left side of the cream where it parts from the wood. It's too wide for a big amount of cream. Even whipped cream.
What's an example of an operator that can't act on all H
Like say the momentum operator or such
What can it not act on
18:49
@Slereah Functions without a derivative :P
More precisely, the operator $\partial_x$ acts on the Sobolev space $H^{2,1}(X)$ within $L^2(X)$, not on all of $L^2(X)$.
True, I supppose
@ACuriousMind, thanks a lot! I'm glad its clear. Some of my friends asked me to type up some notes/problems for them, and this was going to be my response.
And I guess non differentiable functions are ~ to differentiable ones
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Q: How does anisotropy depend on the charge of the metal ion?

el psy Congroo• The electronic configurations of Mn2+ is ([Ar]3d5) while for Mn3+ it is ([Ar]3d4). Assuming that in both compounds these ions are surrounded by an octahedral field of ligands, establish which one of the two ion is expected to have a larger anisotropy D.

homework?
Since you can approximate them infinitely close with a mollified function
18:51
that's the question in full right there in the onebox
@Slereah Sure, since the Schwartz functions are dense in $L^2$ every $L^2$ function is the limit of a sequence of smooth functions
Good 2 know
@EmilioPisanty, yeah, I think that's homework
But there's no guarantee every $L^2$ function has a weak derivative.
It has been bothering me for a bit
A lot of axiomatic QFT stuff just throws axioms around without telling the motivation behind them
18:55
@Slereah That would imply that there is motivation :D
@Slereah That's the general fault of much mathematical writing: They're so focused on being axiomatic and rigorous that they often forget to tell you why you should care about a particular definition.
I suspect it's because they often consider it obvious :P
Well there is motivations when you do QFT
Else you could just assume any other system
Sure, there's always motivations! No one pulls definitions from thin air
As I recall existed in the wild and I just tried to interpret it. On the other hand I think was my own and I had a meaning in mind.
In particular there seems to be a set of things that "everyone knows" in various experimental fields that are not obvious and are not widely known by people who haven't been involved in that kind of experiment.
SO we write just a few words in the paper because "everyone knows" and anyone from out side the clique find themselves at a loss.
@dmckee You created both, the technology one in Sep '14 and the technique one in Sep '11
19:07
Ouch.
My son watched one of the "Duct tape specials" of Mythbusters last night (his first time really watching the series). In the episode, they were marooned on an island and needed to, among other things, start a fire using duct tape.
This afternoon, I caught him trying to start a fire using sticks that he saw them use
@dmckee Well...that doesn't fit with your Oct '13 meta post talking about technology, though
Maybe I'm accessing the tag history wrong, or maybe the tag was briefly deleted and you re-created it
It's funny that in your post you seem to be sure what "technique" is about but not what's up with "technology", while I found myself in the opposite situation ;)
@ACuriousMind The system certainly knows who first used a tag. There is a badge for that. But I don't know if it is showing us that.
@KyleKanos Well...maybe you should explain to him the "Don't try this at home" aspect of most things the Mythbusters do
@dmckee True dat.
19:11
@ACuriousMind I'm not sure I ever made my clear on that and few other people use the technique tag. So if we are thinking ofkilling on that is something to consider.
Or you give him a couple of sticks and send him to a neighbour's lawn you don't like :)
@KyleKanos Starting a fire with a fire bow is harder than it looks. If he's old enough you should encourage him in this ... just somewhere safe.
@ACuriousMind What if you like the lawn, but not the neighbor?
@dmckee Yeah, it's a pain and a lot of physical effort.
Tried doing that with my dad in the house once.
@ACuriousMind I did tell him to not do it
Mind you, he was doing it to a pile of (dry) leaves on top of a wicker table
But at least he was outside
@dmckee How old is "old enough?"
@DanielSank Send the kid to live in the vents, terrorizing the family until they move out of the "haunted" house, then buy the cheap (because it's haunted!) house+ nice lawn for yourself.
19:13
:|
@KyleKanos Old enough to be trusted to only start one where it can be controlled and not to stick his hand in it?
Most kids are smart about the pain, but not necessarily about the responsibility.
He must grok that anything the firs does is his problem.
And know about putting it "completely out".
Yeah, not sure he understands consequences beyond the immediate
@KyleKanos So that's a problem.
Maybe later.
But he's competent enough to stop trying when I tell him it's a bad idea
@DanielSank ...what did you expect? :P
19:16
@ACuriousMind I had no expectations.
I have a taxonomist badge for but not for .
@DanielSank And for some reason, I'm suddenly reminded of this:
My memory may not be totally shot.
Okay, the tag definitely existed before your alleged creating it in 2014 because you edited it in 2012 into a question here.
I'm beginning to believe Manish created it because the earliest use of it is here in Mar '12 being edited in by him
@KyleKanos ?
19:34
hohohohoho, lolz
how's that for a LaTeX fail?
you kinda suspect that whoever wrote Beautiful Typesetting With LaTeX wasn't thinking of this sort of stuff
...did no one check this compiled properly before submitting to arXiv???
@ACuriousMind I dunno
does it make it better if they did?
does it make it better if they didn't?
Hm, it's from 1996, maybe some update broke it
@ACuriousMind hmmmmm
possibly, yes
Would take only one of the packages to have made a not-entirely-backwards-compatible change to get this if you're unlucky
19:39
@ACuriousMind Yeah. Somehow, I'm still not particularly reassured about the whole thing.
Does that mean that any of our stuff could end up looking like that in 2036?
and people'll go, oh well, it is from 2016 after all?
isn't the arXiv meant to be this ultra-stable thing?
Yes, but it relies on TeX's backwards compatibility
Not sure, maybe it's not that and the original authors fucked up
@ACuriousMind yeah, but it's jolly hard to trace, which is almost just as bad
Well...it wasn't even submitted by one of the authors, but by "Manfred Leutner"
This whole thing is strange
yeah, that's odd
@DanielSank Just a thought that popped in my head when I saw "no expectations"...nothing more than that
It was a MadTV skit from the 90s
I think
sigh another explain What If to me question
19:58
@EmilioPisanty pfffft

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