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Mew
10:16 AM
Hi Heather
how is lobbying for the new site going?
 
@Mew, not super well...I'm working on it, but I doubt it'll happen at this point.
Right now, though, that's not what I'm working on.
 
Mew
what r u working on then?
 
user116211
@Mew Counting chocolates?
 
Mew
oh what day/time is it in ur country
 
@Mew, @MAFIA36790, unfortunately I couldn't do Halloween this year, so not counting chocolates =P
 
user116211
10:22 AM
:(
 
Mew
why couldn't you do haloween?
 
Could anyone make me understand the balancing step?
 
Mew
yes
 
What's going on in that step? I don't understand.
 
Mew
first balance all non oxygen and hydrogen molecules
do this by placing a 2 in front of HCL
then you balance hydrogen's by adding appropriate number of H2 molecules
 
10:29 AM
Are we balancing atoms?
 
Mew
If there was oxygen, you would balance this by adding H20 before adding H2 molecules
 
what does it mean for a circuit element to be nonlinear or linear?
 
Mew
Well in redox, step 1 is to balance all non hydrogen and oxygen atoms
 
Is it balancing charges or atoms?
 
Mew
step 2 is to balance oxygen by adding water in the right spots
yeah balancing atoms in this case not charges
 
10:30 AM
Why?
 
Mew
there are 2 redox methods. (1) the one shown which involves balancing atoms (2) the half equation emthod which involves balancing charges and atoms
there are many ways to skin a cat
they are using the method that balancing charges automatically (since all atoms shown there are electrically neutral already)
 
@Mew, I had sports practice the night of trick-or-treating. ='(
 
I'm learning oxidation number method
 
Mew
@SwapnilDas, regardless, step 4 shown is balancing atoms, charges are already balanced before this step
all elemenets and molecules can clearly be seen to have a neutral charge already
 
Ic.
@Mew are you physics graduate?
 
Mew
10:33 AM
YEs
but tutored for many years in chemistry
especially redox
 
Oh! What's your specialization?
 
Mew
finance
I work in finance after having graduated
 
Cool.
 
Mew
yeah physics for the mind, finance for the belly
 
Haha!
@GPhys hi friend.
 
Mew
10:38 AM
@SwapnilDas, you can also think of multiplying by 2 in order to balance the "changee in oxidation number"
the oxidation of H changes from 1 to 0
while the oxidation number of zn changes from 0 to 2
 
Yes
 
Mew
thus multiplying HCL by 2 means it now changes from 2 to 0
 
I see.
 
Mew
this results in the atoms balancing, but you can think about it as balancing the "change in oxidation" number
 
I'll add another example here, please make that clear for me, (redox kills)
 
Mew
10:40 AM
add another
i prefer the half reaction method myself
give us another example though and we'll go through it using the book's method
 
I'm referring step 3 here
What does that mean?
 
Mew
cool
First let's find what oxidation numbers are changing
 
Mew
Cr has changed from 6 to 3
(look at step 2 for this)
 
Yes
 
Mew
10:43 AM
S has changed from 4 to 6 (again I'm looking at step 2 at this stage)
 
Yes cool
 
Mew
so the change in Cr is 6-3 = 3
 
Yeah
 
Mew
and the change in S oxidation number is 4-6 = -2
 
Yeah
Everything clear till now
@Mew u there?
 
Mew
10:51 AM
yeah
 
Could u proceed?
 
Mew
ok
so we need to multiply the molecules by combinations so that the change in Cr (3) matches the change in S (-2)
Now it is obvious that we need a 2 in front of the Cr+3 atom on the right
since we have a Cr2 on the left
this means the change for Cr is now 6
we then need a -6 change for the S
so we multiply the S both by 3
so now the change in Cr is 6 and the change in S is -6
Does this make sense?
 
Reading up, yes. Thanks a lot!
 
Mew
Because you have now 2 Cr atoms on the left, and 2 Cr atoms on the right. The Cr atoms on the left have oxidation number of +6, yet the Cr atoms on the right have oxidation number of +3. Since there are 2 Cr atoms (Cr2 on left and 2Cr on right) the total change is 2*3 = 6
Similarly, you now have 3 S atoms on the left (3S) with oxidation numbers of 4 per atom, adn you have 3 S atoms on the right (3S) with oxidation number of 6 per atom. So the total change is 3*-2 = -6
 
Cool!
 
Mew
10:57 AM
give us another example
 
I'm still finding them :P
Regards, Dr. @EmilioPisanty
 
Mew
@heather, are you here?
 
He seems to have left.
 
Mew
but i had something to show him
 
Oh.
 
Mew
11:02 AM
my new physics site
i'll show u
 
Wow!
 
Mew
ty please sign up
feel free to ask a quesiton
just created now
 
My pleasure! I always needed something like that.
 
Mew
awesome, yeah i always thought a site like this would be helpful to many
 
What kinda questions could we ask?
 
Mew
11:05 AM
I haven't written the rules yet, but I think it will be homework time problems, kinda like the ones you've been asking tonight but more for physics
homework type* problems
doesn't have to be homework, but the emphasis will be on solving physics problems rather than on concepts
 
I like it.
 
Mew
thanks
 
BTW, what subtopic of physics did you use for grad studies?
Something like gr or so.
 
Mew
I did a degree
I didn't do PhD
 
Oh. Was it integrated physics?
 
Mew
11:09 AM
I did a bachelor's degree in physics and maths
and honours
but then didn't persue post grad
went to the workforce instead
 
Oh that's cool
I'll perhaps be asking some questions on your site very soon. I'm working for PhO
 
Mew
nice
what topic?
 
It might be optics, or Newtonian. Chances of circuits and stuff also exist.
How should the questions be posted?
With/ without references to own approach
 
Mew
This will be decided
For now post whatever you think is good quality
then as the site develops we can formulate rules by looking at the xamples we like and dislike
Latex hasn't been added
 
I'll show you an example of type of questions I'm gonna post.
 
Mew
11:15 AM
Just post it
I'm sure it wil be fine
I can put a comment on the site if I think it needs editing
 
Like this.
I solve such kinda problems
 
Mew
Ok, but if you include the screenshot, please don't include the bit on the right
with the submit etc.
it makes it look like a homework question and puts people off
i mean obviously its homework
but remove the bit that makes it look like an assignment
 
Oh sure, I was showing an example only
 
Mew
cool
but yeah the content is good
 
Was it too easy?
 
Mew
11:26 AM
na
@SwapnilDas, you may have previously seen an error at the top of the site
this has now been fixed
 
Yes
Cool
 
Mew
@SwapnilDas, please post up a question
I will answer
 
Screenshot would work? Or a pic?
 
Mew
Not sure give it a try
 
Mew
11:33 AM
Hi Andreas
 
Can't attach pic from tab :(
 
Mew
why not?
 
Idk
 
Mew
There is an attach picture option
I"ll have a go
 
No option available
Sure
 
11:37 AM
morning(ish)
 
Mew
@SwapnilDas, I know what you can do
did you see there is a picture icon
on the post form
 
Yes
 
Mew
select that
and then it asks for a URL
 
@ACuriousMind @0celo7 @BernardMeurer just to be clear: I left because it was past 3 AM and I had to get some amount of sleep:P I did find the trolling interlude tiresome and childish, but my general stance is not giving a crap, so no need to worry about me:)
 
Mew
well whenever you paste a picture in this chat
it creates a URL
 
11:39 AM
I was thinking the same!
 
Mew
copy that url and paste it in the url section
cool
This is obviously a short term solution and in the long term i will work on getting the desktop upload to work
 
Mew
hello @2physics
 
@Mew Hi, I was away for a few minutes. How are you?
 
Typo
 
Mew
11:43 AM
pretty good 2physics, how do you feel about the idea of new phyics problem solving site
 
@heather linearity of a circuit element means that the I-V characteristic of the element is linear. This just means that it has an ohmic part and optionally capacitive/inductive parts. The point of linear circuits is that superposition works, so for a set of voltages and currents {V1,I1} and another {V2,I2} that solve the circuit, {V1+V2,I1+I2} will also be a solution. Every method to determine the voltages/currents in a circuit rely on this, I believe.
For instance, the loop current method works with overlapping currents where loops overlap.
nonlinearity starts with fun stuff such as diodes and transistors
 
Mew
@SwapnilDas, your image is massive
I have edited permissions
you will be able to upload normally now
without having to use lnik
 
@Mew what do you mean? sth different from SE you mean?
 
Mew
@Sanya, please see new site physicsproblems.nfshost.com
 
testing in production, eh?;)
 
Mew
11:46 AM
yeah just was created today
 
@Mew what's the difference?
 
Mew
well this site is for physics problems rather than concepts
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Physics Problem Solving

Proposed Q&A site for problem solving techniques in Physics at the High School,Undergraduate and Graduate level.

Closed before being launched.

^ is the site that wasn't accepted for SE and several users were interested in potentailly having an external site that caters to people who have "homework" like questions
not necessarily homework, but "how to solve this" type questions that may not be a good fit for SE
 
It's too bad physics isn't good for solving things that aren't homework problems
 
Mew
@SwapnilDas, I've edited your question physicsproblems.nfshost.com/?qa=1/…
check it out
I've improved the quality
Note for future you can upload directly from your computer now, no need for external link
 
ok. it's interesting.
 
Mew
11:53 AM
Thanks man
 
is it yours??
 
Mew
Yeah
I just set it up today
 
nice. good luck
 
Mew
thanks i'll need it
 
40
A: What is an instant of time?

innisfreeI believe you're asking about a paradox in the style of Zeno's paradoxes. Your paradox is most similar to 'Paradox of the Grain of Millet'. You want to know how an infinite sum of infinitesimal instants could equal a finite length of time, $$ \int~\mathrm dt = t. $$ Well, the above is nothing but...

 
Mew
12:02 PM
nice answer
41 upvotes in one day well done
 
Why did it get so popular? When I answered it, I thought the question might be closed and wasn't that happy with my answer
 
Mew
very popular question over 3k views
and probably a good answer to a silly question
 
Why? Even after seeing so many questions, I still can't judge which ones with gather interest
 
Mew
yah i saw this question and thought it would be soon closed
but i think the "masses" love the philosophical questions involving time and the like
 
@innisfree the answer is HNQ (hot network questions)
the stupidest and simplest questions end up there, and all sorts of people on the SE network appreciate it if they find something they understand -> upvotes galore
 
Mew
12:05 PM
yeah that's right, but it must have been popular to get to that stage too
true Andreas
 
*Andras
 
Mew
it's just my accent
 
ok, Mao:P
 
Mew
lol
 
Yes, maybe questions about simple misconceptions inevitably have broad appeal
 
12:07 PM
yup
and see also the bike shed effect
similar vein
 
And then it's a matter of, is it so basic it's closed? If not, it explodes
 
Mew
wow that's pretty interesting Andras
 
Yes, that's interesting
I wonder if any algorithm could predict question popularity/suggest closing a question
 
user116211
@innisfree, the answer was good and I upvoted it firstly. the only reason that you got 40 other votes is because the paradox questions become quite popular and most of the time it hit the HNQ. And you know HNQ. The post is easier to read - that is oe other reason for it being so popular.
 
Mew
No I don't think so innisfree
many questions that should be closed would become popular if they weren't clsoed
it's very subjective business
 
12:13 PM
Lots of low quality questions that get closed also have poor grammar and spelling, or are excessively long. Without knowing anything about physics, I think an algorithm could catch them, with a reasonable mistag rate
 
Mew
@MAFIA36790, check this out : physicsproblems.nfshost.com
 
Guessing popular q's could be trickier
 
Mew
Yeah, I think the popular questions may be of similar topics, e.g. time, space, blackhole etc.
but the questions that are popular to the masses are likely not of interest to the regular users of physics.SE
so there is a question of whether there is any point in trying to identify the popular questions ahead of time
 
True, I'd just be curious about how well they could be characterised
 
Mew
spoken like a true theoretical physicist
 
12:18 PM
interesting software behind the site. Open source q&a platform
 
Mew
yeah that's right
it only took about 20 minutes to set up
everything is customizable too
 
Oh you did it?
 
Mew
yeah
 
They've scooped phys overflow, one of their nobler aims was to make an open source q&a platform, I think
 
Jim
@BernardMeurer Your welcome. And don't worry about it; my help is always free.
 
12:20 PM
Oh hang on, maybe I'm confused, maybe that is what phys overflow uses
 
Mew
you could be right
there is a Q2A search
ype
yep
physics overflow is powered by questions2answers
I"m suprised by that
good pick up
 
user228700
12:36 PM
@AndrasDeak "yup"? Who starred "yup"?!
 
user116211
@Kaumudi Starring is anonymous. So, I think it's futile to ask who starred what.
 
user228700
Sometimes, people say if they did star something so it's not entirely futile to ask.
 
user116211
Well, it depends on them.
 
user228700
Yeah.
 
Mew
ok the theme for the physics problems website has been updated:
 
user116211
12:42 PM
Now, it is looking better.
 
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Q: Area of triangle formed from equation of of its sides.

RamanujanThe area of triangle formed by the lines $$a_1x + b_1y + c_1z=0$$ $$a_2x + b_2y + c_2z=0$$ $$a_3x + b_3y + c_3z=0$$ Is $$\frac {\Delta^2}{2\lambda_1 \lambda_2 \lambda_3}$$ Where $$\Delta = \begin{vmatrix} a_1 & b_1 & c_1 \\ a_2 & a_2 & c_2 \\ a_3 & b_3 & c_3...

@MAFIA36790 you might know this ^
@Kaumudi hi
 
@Mew yup, definitely looks better
BTW does Swapnil's question really need an answer? It's pretty easy
 
What is the .ps file format?
 
Mew
Andras, yes it does
 
@0celo7 postscript
 
Mew
12:52 PM
If you're able to answer it please do
 
but surely I misunderstood your question
@Mew nah, I'll pass
 
@AndrasDeak I can google.
But why use it over pdf?
 
@0celo7 hence "but surely I misunderstood"
@0celo7 because author is a dummy
 
hey, that's not very nice ;-)
 
.ps is for printers, except if somebody is being hardcore and writes postscript by hand
 
12:54 PM
@0celo7 these days, there's basically no reason
 
@DavidZ the EMS (Euro. Math. Soc.) uses it for all their notices, apparently
 
ugh, that's silly
 
you can also have a prematurely interrupted latex->dvips->ps2pdf cycle (but you might ask "why not pdflatex?", and I would have no answer)
 
I guess people can always convert it to PDF, but it's a waste of 80% of the file size not to do that in the first place
 
Mew
12:56 PM
Hey guys
 
user116211
@0celo7 There are many papers in this format. Just convert it to pdf; there are many free softwares available online.
 
@DavidZ Did you hear about last night's romp?
 
Mew
what do you think of the name for the external physics problem site?
how about physicsDoJo.com
 
@Mew it's problematic
 
@Mew too silly?
 
user116211
12:56 PM
Hey @ACuriousMind; hope you got a good sleep.
 
@0celo7 I looked at the transcript
 
Mew
@0celo7, perhaps
@0celo7, this is the current prototype: physicsproblems.nfshost.com/?qa=questions
We need our own domain name without nfshost
 
@Danu cc @MikeMiller thanks for linking me to the same new paper by Joyce :) Alas, I don't think I'll need cohomology valued in Novikov rings...
 
user116211
Why is my profile pic changed for no reason ._.
 
There are two different puppers between your chat and stats profile. Is that change?
Well, same pupper, different shots
 
user116211
1:01 PM
yes.
 
well, did you change it?:P
 
user116211
I am using my stats account. So, the pic should be that account's and not this one now ;(
 
@ACuriousMind I see there's a new AMS book on Galois theory via Riem geo. Maybe that's what I need to start liking algebra
 
user116211
Why did it change suddenly?
 
And where did that image come from? I'm fairly certain it didn't pop out of nowhere
 
1:02 PM
Currently I'm trying to extract from the older works of Joyce why the physicists claim for one of his simplest examples that we know that the volume of the desingularized sets goes to zero. I've found only calibrated cycles that explicitly are not part of the singular set thus far.
 
user116211
@AndrasDeak It is of Math.SE account of mine.
 
Maybe not Riem geo. But certainly analysis.
 
@MAFIA36790 yeah that's odd, your profile is still linked to your stats one
guess you have to revert it manually
 
user116211
I'm not getting that too; it changed suddenly.
 
user228700
@Ramanujan: Hey :-)
 
1:04 PM
@ACuriousMind What does the manifold G2 actually look like?
 
What is G2
 
@0celo7 G2 is 14 dimensional, so I can't answer that question.
 
user228700
@MAFIA36790: How old is that dog of urs? ^.^
 
@ACuriousMind Is is compact?
 
user116211
2 yrs.
 
1:06 PM
@Slereah One of the exceptional Lie groups :P
 
Oh right
 
user228700
I see. Man, he/she looks real sad ._.
 
One of THOSE
Is there a GUT with G2
 
@0celo7 The form I'm dealing with, yes, but there are also non-compact versions of it (with the same Lie algebra)
 
@Kaumudi I have some doubt in mathematics
 
1:07 PM
@Slereah It does contain $\mathrm{SU}(3)$, but I don't think you can fit the whole SM gauge group in there
 
too bad
I mean it has 14 dimensions
Shouldn't the SM lurk in some of those dimensions
Just by statistics
Then again E8 has like 200
 
Well, $\mathrm{SU}(3)\times\mathrm{SU}(2)$ has... 8+3 = 11 dimensions, so the SM is 12-dimensional. You can't expect a 14 dimensional group to have any 12-dimensional subgroup you can think of.
 
How many subgroups does E8 have, I wonder
 
@Slereah Lie subgroups, you mean? For that, it's probably easier to classify the Lie subalgebras of the algebra, but I don't know either way
 
lol @ACuriousMind :D
Btw it's not a paper by Donaldson :P
In any case, Joyce even says explicitly it might be relevant in $G_2$-compactifications :D
 
1:18 PM
@Danu No, it's Joyce, the guy who invented the examples I'm currently reading about
And yes, finding the calibrated cycles is in general interesting for $G_2$-compactifications
Oh, lol, now I see, I wrote Donaldson up there :D
 
Enjoying the moderator message-editing powers? :)
 
user228700
@Ramanujan What's ur question? (I'm sorry, I cannot guarantee that I will be able to help you-I have quite a lot of things to get done and have limited time)
 
[rambles,warning, may cause apathy...] I am a selfish person, but in a nontrivial way. For example, the resource I thrive on other people is the very fact that person is in positive chemistry with me. And I don't harm friends not (just) because it is cruel and immoral, but because when they are miscerable, the positive chemistry will be broken and I will become frustrated as a result.
Do I genuinely care for them? I have no idea. From the outside (and the emotions and wellbeing of the friends), every selfish motive I did just happens to be isomorphic(?) to what a genuinely caring person doe
On the other hand, I have no desire nor need to cultivate that positive chemsitry. I just let it evolve naturally by just being myself (and so does my friends)
 
Mew
@Secret, interesting philosophy
if it feels good to be kind, it may help to ignore whether you are ultimately doing it for selfish purposes
a kind action is a kind action, regardless of the motives right?
 
@ACuriousMind I'm quite the imposter, aren't I?
 
1:33 PM
Well, for years I have been wondering what "genuiely care" means, because I am so selfish and my autistic traits means I have low sense of empathy, yet most people seemed happy to be with me because of all those coincidence
I think I think too much in terms of logic for something that otherwise should not be seen in the view of logic
 
Mew
@Secret, yeah that's right. Social interaction is largely instinctive and when you start to analyse too much, it can counterintuitively make you worse at it
i think practice makes you better, and thinking makes you worse
kind of like sports. When a golfer was asked to explain exactly how they put to someone else, they performed a worse put than when they just putted without talking about it before hand
 
My parents text each other at 5 in the morning. How are they up that early? I must be adopted
 
user116211
WTH.
 
Mew
@Secret, have you seen the new problem solving site? physicsproblems.nfshost.com/?qa=questions
bit of work to do, but was just created today
 
I sometimes think too hard that there are times I am happy, I wonder "why am I happy?" "How do I happy" etc. On the plus side, the same kind of analysis when I am angry can cause me to forget the anger when I cannot find any valid answer to justify why I am angry
@Mew Make sure not to attract homework vampires, as from the look of it, the questions seems way too much "do my work for me with no effort"
 
Mew
1:40 PM
@Secret, yes, there are only 2 questions at the moment and I"m keen for more poeple to post up the questions they would like to see on the site
once we have more volume we can then decide what to keep and what to cull as we define the site
 
Also I am not sure if you want to add a comment bar beneath the questions and answers just like in SE, but the lack of a chat room may be a problem when it gets too long
 
Mew
yeah
great ideas
i'll look into getting a chat room added, a meta added where we can discuss the site and the chat bars
comment bars*
 
You sure you want to make that site public without having a meta, proper privacy policy (my email will not be shared, fine, what about my IPs, accessed sites, etc?) or any sort of formal post declaring what kind of questions you want or don't want?
Might be worth it to configure those things before letting other users post stuff
 
Mew
@Secret, comments can now be posted on questions
@ACuriousMind, one can think of this as a demo, the official site will have a different URL
the data is private currently but I agree it is worth having a privacy statement and site definition
 
@Mew Then that would also be a good thing to tell people somewhere on the front page or when asking a question
 
1:47 PM
@ACuriousMind I didn't suppose you were interested in that, but his arguments about what you can't get as deformation invariants are interesting.
In particular, G2 instantons balanced out by counts of associative submanifolds (though that's not quite what Walpuski has been trying to count).
 
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Q: Should this "homework-like" question about the AKLT Hamiltonian be undeleted?

robIt's been suggested via a flag that this question, which was deleted by Community after being closed for ten days, has value to other users asking similar questions. I personally don't understand the closure of this question: in its current form, it's a thoughtful, conceptual question that happe...

 
Mew
@ACuriousMind, good point I've included this on the front page
@heather, please see this prototype physicsproblems.nfshost.com
 
user116211
@PhysicsMeta Aren't you getting older? For you are really slow.
 
@ACuriousMind Are deformation invariants not interesting in physics? Eg if you didn't know GW didnt depend on the almost complex structure, would that be fine?
 

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