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21:00
::laughs evilly::
@ACuriousMind I've been slowly but surely digiforming into a computer
@BernardMeurer Drill?
And FYI I wasn't legally banned, I was just told never to come back by some nice 2m tall vikings
@DanielSank Tried that, the bus won't take drilled coins apparently
They said it's vandalism, pff
@BernardMeurer Oh, you didn't specify you want to be able to trade these coins for goods and services.
vzn
vzn
@BernardMeurer sounds like the matrix =D
which reminds me, do you have any interest in VR?
21:05
@DanielSank Well, I like to give cashiers the exact amount so they don't have to give me change, so I carry a bunch of coins
@vzn I didn't like that movie :v
@BernardMeurer Did you get into trouble with some Danish gangsters?! Or did just random people on the street decide they didn't like your calves?
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vzn
@BernardMeurer (sacrilege!) why not? anyway VR is really (finally!) hitting this year, gonna be big...
@vzn Yes, but it gets me super nauseated
@ACuriousMind The former
@ACuriousMind Everyone likes my calves
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@BernardMeurer what do you mean? sounds like motion sickness or something o_O
@vzn The first one was good, the 2 an 3 were bad.
vzn
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21:08
@BernardMeurer ok, youre forgiven
@vzn Yeah it gives me motion sickness. It's literally the one thing that gives me motion sickness. VR Why have you forsaken me!
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vzn
do you play any video games?
@vzn I play War Thunder, Civ 5, and Tetris
mostly Tetris
I love Tetris
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@BernardMeurer ah, tetris, the game where the brilliant designer deserved to make a fortune and made virtually nothing... read his sad story long ago...
@vzn Yes. It's the best game ever made IMHO
All my devices that I could hack into have some form of tetris running on them
Yes, even my calculators
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21:14
@BernardMeurer if you like Civ have you ever heard of sim city/ sims etc? dont play but think its cool as simulation etc, very successful game, admire the designer, one of the few big names in the biz (wright)
@vzn [Opinion] the sims is a dumb game. Sim City is good but it lacks something for me, I never got super into it, but it's a very good game
user54412
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Q: Two resistances are joined in parallel and their equivalent resistance is 3/5 ohm

user113223Two resistances are joined in parallel and their equivalent resistance is 3/5 ohm One of the resistances is disconnected and the effective resistance becomes 3 ohm What is the resistance of the wire that got disconnected?

user54412
quick let's all answer the homework question before the evil mods close it!
user54412
that's clearly the trendy thing to do
apples are good
why don't I eat more apples
21:27
@ChrisWhite I'm considering a campaign to get people to downvote that.
@0celo7 It's bad for your teeth
@3075 Did you operate? How did it go?
@BernardMeurer Really? I think of apples as nature's toothbrush.
@BernardMeurer For some reason I improved right before the operation so it's been cancelled or delayed.
@DanielSank My mom's a dentist and she used to say that. But I think it's mostly because I employed a more hardcore eating technique
I think of my toothbrush as my toothbrush
21:28
@3075 Papa bless
Still have to sleep in the hospital but I'm off oxygen
@3075 Really? They put you in a vacuum?!
@BernardMeurer A..."more hardcore eating technique". Dare I ask?
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@DanielSank Really? I would have thought the sugar + acid would not be so great for your teeth.
@ChrisWhite They're pretty fibrous though. Gets a lot of crud off your teeth and out of the gum pockets.
21:29
@ACuriousMind It's hard to verbalize, I'll show you when I drop by Heidelberg
@BernardMeurer no only a tube with oxygen in my nose.
Swish your mouth with water afterwards and Bob's your uncle.
@BernardMeurer oooh, kinky
@3075 I was just being silly :)
I'm forever scarred from brushing my teeth.
21:30
@ACuriousMind Lol, if you want that you'll have to pay me dinner first. And beer. A lot
@3075 I'm still wondering how the fuck you brush your teeth
to deflate a lung while doing it
Lol
@vzn when in mid july exactly?
@DanielSank Bob?
@BernardMeurer It's a weird saying which means "and there you go".
user54412
@ACuriousMind I have to say your new colorscheme is hard to distinguish from DS's
21:31
@BernardMeurer quest?
@ChrisWhite True, they've been confusing me all day
@ChrisWhite Don't you know anything?
@3075 No change. Checked
He's just my sock puppet.
@DanielSank Wat, that's weird
21:33
@BernardMeurer You may be too young to know about that :)
Once upon a time a crazy user accused me of taking over the site. He said that all of the main users were my sock puppet accounts.
@ChrisWhite Damn. Now you'll have to read our names to distinguish us
He made posts calling me a "psychotic monster".
After he started getting his posts blocked he used images of text to subvert the filters.
It was fun.
Ironically, he made a lot of sock puppet accounts to spread that observation :P
@DanielSank According to you I'm not even out of the womb yet
@ACuriousMind Yeah. It all started because I pointed out that his post on signal processing was wrong.
21:34
@DanielSank I'm not convinced that guy wasn't right yet
@BernardMeurer Oh come on, I don't know squat about all that mathematical mumbo jumbo that @ACuriousMind goes on about.
Flattered that you think I'm that knowledgeable though.
;)
@DanielSank Exactly what a master puppeteer would say!
user54412
Oct 27 '15 at 13:09, by ACuriousMind
That's what a true grandmaster of multple identites would say
@ChrisWhite Did you really just recall one quote from October last year?
user54412
Feb 1 at 1:01, by ACuriousMind
@ChrisWhite Wow. For a not really specific utterance, that's a remarkable memory
21:41
@ChrisWhite WTF are you dood
Sorry, I had to share this image
with someone
Aug 5 '15 at 15:41, by Chris White
Jul 30 at 22:50, by ACuriousMind
(Yes, my memory for this chat transcript almost rivals my webcomic memory)
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEEPS
user54412
The Poincaré recurrence time of this chat is shorter than you might think.
Is there a way to know:
a. The total messages sent here
b. How many messages I sent here
@BernardMeurer 7829 messages by you
21:43
7830
Lol
@ACuriousMind How'd you find that?
Have you been counting all this time?
@BernardMeurer Of course.
@ACuriousMind Does the chat stats have an API?
(Just kidding, it's the number in the lower right corner of your portrait here. I'm not sure how to get the total number of messages)
21:45
It'd be fun to set up a monitor
@BernardMeurer I am willing to bet that it does
@ACuriousMind You're on, I bet a beer it doesn't
There was some fun meta.SE post about someone using the API to track who starred what until that unintentionally exposed information was removed.
My doctor said collapsed lungs are common in tall and lanky white people @ACuriousMind
21:46
@3075 How tall are you?
::starts hyperventilating::
I'm 185cm and 130lbs
Jesus christ
I'm 182 and 180lbs
I'M OBESE
HALP
Not really
Lol
@3075 Are you an average canadian in height?
Would I be a Leprechaun at Waterloo?
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21:49
@yuggib tue july 12th 16:00Z
@BernardMeurer I'm slightly above average
@3075 Are you telling me I'm a leprechaun?
@ACuriousMind don't take a sudden deep breath.
@BernardMeurer no you're average.
Above average probably
@3075 Good. I don't like Irish folklore
user54412
wait how many countries in the world use centimeters and pounds for measuring people?
user54412
21:56
@ACuriousMind 470927
@ChrisWhite Canadians
@ChrisWhite my doctor does.
user54412
(click "info")
At least they don't weight people in stones, that's literally the dumbest unit
"I weight 11 stone" how dumb does that sound?
Duh. It's exactly in the same place for the room where it is for the users. Not sure how I overlooked that
21:57
@BernardMeurer very dumb
Chat isn't in the mobile version on my phone any more
how do I change it back
I actually weight 12 stone though
damn these are some heavy stones
@DanielSank I know right? I laugh everytime I hear it
After 50 tries the "mobile" button decided to work
@BernardMeurer Jeez
You're only a few pounds lighter than me and I'm a giant
22:31
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Q: If something that is moving at constant velocity has no net force acting on it, how come it is able to move other objects?

mzee99Let's say 10 kg block is sliding on a frictionless surface at a constant velocity, thus its acceleration is 0. According to Newton's second law of motion, the force acting on the block is 0: $a = 0$ $F = ma$ $F=0$ So let's say that block slid into a motionless block on the same surface, the...

Hey there
Could someone clarify this? ^
@0celo7 I'm 75-80Kg
That means nothing to me
I always thought kg were a shit unit even when I was German
It feels like I'm crazy; I'm pushing a pencil trying to understand how it has velocity but the net force has to be zero.
@Chinatsu-creepy-chan What is there to clarify?
I still can't understand how something would move with 0 force
22:35
@0celo7 Kg is pretty good man
and keep constant velocity, because of both newton's first and second laws.
@Chinatsu-creepy-chan What is your definition of "force"?
Because if you use $F=ma$, i.e. the 2nd law as definition of force, then there is nothing to understand - by definition, a body that moves with constant velocity has no net force acting on it.
Damn, that's hard. I can't explain the concept, I can just "feel" it.
The only thing I can say is that $F = ma$. I can't use a formal definition, just a practical one
@Chinatsu-creepy-chan Usually, the definition of "force" is just $F=ma$. So there's nothing to understand. That the second law might be seen to contain a bit more than this definition is made explicit e.g. by joshphysics in this answer
But, really, you just need to let go of the Aristotelian belief that stuff stops moving without external influence. It's just wrong.
@ACuriousMind I believe the opposite - as Newton says in his first law
22:47
@ACuriousMind What's the analogue of the 3rd law in the Hamiltonian scheme
@0celo7 The 3rd law is momentum conservation
@ACuriousMind What is momentum conservation in the Hamiltonian scheme
@0celo7 Well, how do symmetries/transformations in the Hamiltonian formalism work?
@ACuriousMind Don't you try to push Noether's theorem on me
Because I don't know how it works in the Hamiltonian formalism
Or is a Poisson bracket
One of those, I'm not a physicist
It's Noether's theorem and it has to do with Poisson brackets. The best of both worlds :)
22:53
Well how does Noether work in the Hamiltonian formalism
The Noether charge $Q$ generates its associated infinitesimal transformation as $\{Q,-\}$.
See assorted posts by Qmechanic, there's probably at least two full proofs of this scattered over the site :D
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Q: Gauss-Weingarten equation

RaphIn E Poisson "A relativist tool kit" p.75 it says that the Gauss-Weingarten relation is: $$e^{\alpha}_{a;\beta}e^{\beta}_{b}=\Gamma^{c}_{ab}e^{\alpha}_{c}-\epsilon K_{ab}n^{\alpha}$$ We have the definitions: $$A_{a|b}=A_{a,b}-\Gamma^{c}_{ab}A_c$$ and the relation $$A^{\alpha}_{;\beta}e^{\beta}_...

ahhh indices
@ACuriousMind never heard of a "Noether charge"
Did you guys know that I am a big, bad meanie?
@dmckee you're a mod so you're actually much worse
so yes
22:55
It's what you get when you integrate the zeroth component of the Noether current over space.
And my comments are unconstructive and offensive, too.
@ACuriousMind not interested in relativity
I don't understand Newtonian physics why would I go to relativity
@0celo7 Then it's just the conserved quantity from Noether's theorem :P
@ACuriousMind hmm
where is the proof?
3 mins ago, by ACuriousMind
See assorted posts by Qmechanic, there's probably at least two full proofs of this scattered over the site :D
22:57
I would like the proof on an arbitrary manifold pls
that's not specific at all
@dmckee We're all our biggest critics, don't be so hard on yourself ;)
@0celo7 Darboux' theorem says go away, I'll do it with p and q :P
@NeuroFuzzy I'm definitely not my biggest critic
@ACuriousMind if you use that theorem you have to prove it
@dmckee Admitting it is the first step :)
23:01
@ACuriousMind is the proof in Arnold?
@0celo7 No, I don't suffer from this particular compulsion of yours ;)
@ACuriousMind my compulsion is pretty bad
I can't do diff geo any more because I realized I don't know the proof of the inverse function theorem
@0celo7 No idea, as I've not really read Arnold. There's like three ones on the first page of Google for "darboux theorem proof symplectic", though.
+ implicit function theorem
so literally all of smooth manifolds stuff cannot be proven with what I know
@ACuriousMind No not the Darboux theorem
any noob knows how to prove that
and the proof is in Lee SM and Arnold.
Oh, did you mean the one for which I referred to assorted posts from Qmechanic? :P
23:03
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A: A kind of Noether's theorem for the Hamiltonian formalism

QmechanicIt should be stressed that Noether's theorem is a statement about consequences of symmetries of an action functional (as opposed to, e.g., symmetries of equations of motion, or solutions thereof, cf. this Phys.SE post). So to use Noether's theorem, we first of all need an action formulation. How ...

It's not even scattered, it's right there, I think.
I still don't get the $\approx$ notation
It's an equality that holds upon use of the equations of motion.
@ACuriousMind I don't know why he calls it modulo
@0celo7 Equalities in a quotient (group) $G/H$ are equalities that hold when you set elements of $H$ to the neutral element. $\approx$ eqalities are equalities that hold when you set multiplies of the equations of motion to zero.
I think one can actually formalize this as quotienting the ideal (or something) generated by the E-L equations out of some jet bundle
23:08
...well yes that's what modulo means
But I don't recall where I read that
I wish I knew more about jet bundles. I was going to learn about jets last month but I rediscovered pokemon
And my prof needs to tell me what chapters I need to read in Milnor...
And when we're meeting...
And if he's alive...
I've had a crappy day and now I'm deciphering a Qmechanic post while hungry
> In turn, we may view the action (1) as a first-order Lagrangian system LH(z,z˙,t)LH(z,z˙,t) in twice as many variable
Sounds familiar.
@0celo7 Then eat something!
Hunt an ox, or whatever giants eat.
@ACuriousMind Typically farmers just give us stuff to eat
Ah, a protection racket
@ACuriousMind yes
@Slereah Whatever happened to our GR book
What happened to your blog?
@ACuriousMind 1) it's hard to format
2) haven't done any math/physics in a month
It was a proof of concept
I don't have the patience to type all of that on a blog
Maybe in tex where I can have shortcuts and whatnot
@ACuriousMind I've kinda lost interest in math/physics
23:19
:(
I got really bummed out by failing at a diff topology problem and haven't done anything since
@0celo7 Failing to do some problem is a rather usual mode of learning in math/physics.
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@ACuriousMind perhaps
(This is why some books are really infuriating when they delegate non-trivial statements that are later used to exercises :P)
@ACuriousMind oh yeah
I also got bummed out by those group theory exercises in Sharpe
the exercises there take pages in Lee and other books...
and I still don't know how to do
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Q: The tangent space of a vector space

0celo7I'm trying to show that there is a canonical isomorphism between a finite-dimensional vector space $V$ (regarded as a $C^\infty$ manifold) and its tangent space $T_vV, v\in V$, without using a basis, in the following sense: Regard $\omega\in V^*$ as a linear function $\tilde\omega:V\to\mathbb{R}$...

On the other hand, I did solve one exercise in Sharpe in my sleep
We talked about it a while ago
23:24
Feb 17 '15 at 20:33, by ACuriousMind
@0celo7 "I have made some significant progress while sleeping." lol
@0celo7 It appears your sleeping self is rather apt at solving math problems
I have never solved anything while sleeping. Maybe while falling asleep.
@ACuriousMind I'm looking through the chat history for when we discussed that problem
and I saw:
Aug 13 '15 at 15:49, by 0celo7
@ACuriousMind Interestingly, Zee explains the connection between the Lorentz group, SO(3), SU(2), SL(2,C), S^3, S^3/Z_2 very well.
Was I high? That's totally not true
How would I even know that? I don't know the connection between those things...
crap where is it...
FOUND IT
That was right :P
Mar 3 at 15:02, by 0celo7
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@ACuriousMind I was dreaming about quantizing the bosonic string, I think.
And I thought about light cone coordinates.
@ACuriousMind Oh yeah I still haven't solved that problem either
@ACuriousMind can you please take another look at that MSE post
I'm going to hunt a taco in the meantime
@0celo7 not now, since I'm about to go to bed
23:46
@ACuriousMind vampires don't sleep
Especially not German one's
Damn autocorrect

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