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14:06
@Slereah so what part of this paper should I read
The part about the FEC?
Section 2
Is it a bad thing that I know this URL by heart?
Yes.
Why did ACM change his avatar to a gay soviet dude?
He's expressing his true self
14:48
Someone just emailed me to thank for my help on SO
this stuff is getting weird
@Danu @ACuriousMind are questions like "does this mathematical construction have applications in physics" off-topic as a list question?
@ACuriousMind What is this new avatar?
4 hours ago, by ACuriousMind
He looks like a gay soviet hockey player
14:57
A picture into ACM's soul, no doubt.
@ACuriousMind What does "the manifold fails to be connected at infinity" mean?
In topology, a branch of mathematics, a topological space X is said to be simply connected at infinity if for all compact subsets C of X, there is a compact set D in X containing C so that the induced map is trivial. Intuitively, this is the property that loops far away from a small subspace of X can be collapsed, no matter how bad the small subspace is. The Whitehead manifold is an example of a 3-manifold that is contractible but not simply connected at infinity. Since this property is invariant under homeomorphism, this proves that the Whitehead manifold is not homeomorphic to R3. However, it...
Stop asking me things without even trying to look them up!
dammit I need Cheeger and Ebin
Global Riemannian geometry is mysterious
ACM German question: What's standard formatting for dates?
@Danu dd.mm.yy
Ah, with dots?
15:02
Yep
why do the Germans do it backwards, anyway
@ACuriousMind Thanks.
I'm used to either "-" or "/"
Couldn't get a form to accept my input :P
(the dots worked)
it's dots, just like they write 1. instead of 1st
@Danu well that's silly
@0celo7 That doesn't seem to be all that relevant.
@0celo7 Yeah, it's stupid that they didn't tell me how to input the date.
@Danu of course it is
you read 1.3.16 as "erster dritter 2016"
and 1. and 3. are "erster" and "dritter", respectively
Typo, ACM. Typo.
@Danu if anything it's a good way to remember it, and you seem to need a way to remember it.
15:33
-1
Q: How can I reopen it?

Anubhav GoelWhat will be final velocity of three charges $q$, $q$, $2q$? How can I reopen it? All concepts come out from questions. If I know how to solve it, I would know concept automatically.

15:57
Well. As long as his team is working on it we can all sleep soundly in our beds.
I shouldn't be surprised by the resilience of certainty that some amateur theorists show, but I always am.
@dmckee His team?
No names. But apparently they're working on a preprint. So it will all be OK.
16:17
@dmckee Huh?
@dmckee Sorry, but what are you referring to? :P
He is ranting about someone on the site. Have you never been here for that?
His team?
@ACuriousMind No, I have no idea which particular user this is about. Who has "a team" anyways?
@Danu I think the idea is that dmckee doesn't want to disclose which particular user this is about.
@ACuriousMind The only reason I'm asking is because the messages seemed to be in response to another message by someone else. I'd like to know which one.
16:21
If you really want to know it, it's not that hard to find out :P
@ACuriousMind What, scroll back up till I find it?
uh, maybe it is hard for you. It has nothing to do with anything said in this chat before
@ACuriousMind ...
Digging through recent comments also doesn't help.
@kevinTahN. Well, do you know what spectral flow is (I have encountered it in $\mathcal N=2$ SCFT's in $d=2$)?
@Danu You should read the history further before responding:
16 hours ago, by kevin Tah N.
not quite?
@kevinTahN. ^ Then just learn about spectral flow first.
It's in Blumenhagen's book on CFT
 
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17:42
@Danu It seemed to me to be an honest question. Griffith's isn't the easiest of books for the beginner, and my impression was that the OP was genuinely trying to understand the derivation.
Yes, it is easy to show how Griffiths arrived at the equation, and Jahan Claes does a nice neat job of explaining it. However you underestimate how mysterious things like this can seem to a beginner.
More generally, given the appalling flood of sh*te questions currently flowing over us it's easy to get trigger happy with the close button. I'm trying to (a) curb my instinctive impulses to VTC and (b) conserve my 25 close votes for the questions that really deserve it.
@Slereah If Harold White is a crackpot he's a good crackpot and the world of physics is a livelier place with him in it. No his warp drive isn't going to work, but I absolutely support his attempt to build it.
@JohnRennie I do too, but maybe he should publish an actual paper about it
Not saying he's a crackpot but he has pretty suspiscious behaviour
But what he does is fun.
Sure but mb he should share it
The number one feature of the true crackpot is that they are boring.
And you can't say that of Harold White :-)
Saying "I'm doing a great experiment you'll see it's amazing" is pretty boring if you don't deliver
17:53
Incidentally, the split of the metric into eta + h only works in the weak field limit.
You're not going to usefully describe the Godel metric using that approach
Shouldn't I lose magic points when I downvote?
You lose them when you downvote an answer
Not a question
Because I'm on review duty and downvoting a lot of stuff but my rep isn't changing
Ah
Still tho, just downed an answer
Running out of flags
How much rep do you need for endless flagging?
17:55
@Slereah I would guess the reason he hasn't published the results is because there was no measurable effect. Actually I don't know if they ever built the interferometer. The last references I saw said it was at the design stage.
You are still supposed to publish if you get negative results :p
@0celo7 Matt Visser is a brilliant communicator of physics. I can't judge how good a physicist he is, but his articles for teenage physics nerds are excellent.
Both Eric Davies and Harold White, it is debatable whether or not they are cranks
Ronald Mallett is bananas, tho
Still an okay physicists but check his math carefully before trusting him
Though then again
I just found out that maybe I shouldn't trust HE!
Aaaaah
The world is a lie
18:12
HE?
The mark of a true crackpot is that not only do they believe they are right but they also believe everyone else is wrong. They have a basically adversarial view of physics.
Ronald Mallett has an obsession with his time machine that mot of us find a little extreme, but he's resolutely mainstream. He doesn't believe everyone else is wrong he just thinks he's found an idea that is new.
And good luck to him. I doubt his idea has any validity, but for the relatively small amounts of money involved I'm very happy to see him attempt it.
@BernardMeurer :-) I can see that video is going to haunt me FOREVER!!
@JohnRennie I'll make sure of it hahaha. It's just too good of a video
Good thing that dude didn't find the h bar
That guy just looks so much like a maniac. I'm glad he lives in a different country :-)
Indeed he does
ARGH I NEED MORE FLAGS
18:20
@JohnRennie What would you call him then
He is willing to defend pretty indefensible arguments about it
The two big ones I recall is "The linear singularity in the middle of the metric doesn't matter" and "Light going through a material is equivalent to changing $c$ in GR"
@BernardMeurer Is that the guy from Silence of the Lamb
Careful @JohnRennie, pretty sure he's gonna put you in the pit
@Slereah It's the guy from Silencing John Rennie
@Slereah It's a while since I last read up on Mallett's ideas so I can't comment on specifics. My view is that we should let him attempt the experiment and fail on the grounds it's entertaining.
Eh.
He's not the worst crank certainly
And he can do some actual physics unlike most
Just a big bias he cannot overcome
Cranks are only bad when they are negative
I'd say Eric Davies is worse, in abilities
But Davies is like...
Restrained?
18:25
There are people we both know of who actively deny well accepted principles that are very useful for students attempting to learn GR. That's being a negative crackpot, and doing actual harm.
He will rarely go as far as saying a thing is most certainly true
Is it a bad thing to refuse to answer someone's question because they wear a google glass?
But he does a lot of work on aliens and psychic powers
Although I have to respect him
Because he once proposed to NASA an experiment involving a nuclear weapon
You gotta respect that mad scientist cred
Have you met many mathematicians. John Conway for example? Now he's barking mad.
I have not met him
18:29
I went to some of his lectures at Cambridge and they were highly entertaining. But he's a genuine fruitcake.
I once read a wormhole paper
The introduction said that he got into that field because his parents were abducted once
I think it was on Arxiv but the bad part of Arxiv
The kind of paper that seems to be done in MS Words
@JohnRennie An attempt to actually build a warpdrive?
How is that not a waste of time & money?
White is (was?) trying to build an interferometer based experiment to see if the sort of curvature necessary for a warp drive could be created. He's not actually trying to build a warp drive.
Okay. I still think it's problematic because he may well be ruining the career of some grad students.
The White–Juday warp-field interferometer is a space warping experiment to detect a microscopic instance of a warping of spacetime with the intent of creating an Alcubierre warp bubble, if possible. A research team led by Harold "Sonny" White in collaboration with Dr. Richard Juday at the NASA Johnson Space Center and Dakota State University are conducting experiments but results so far have been inconclusive. An additional experiment with an EmDrive is showing interesting results. == Motivation for the experiment == The NASA research team led by Harold White and their university partner...
I don't know if he has grad students working on it. If so he'd be a poor supervisor to involve them in something so speculative, but he wouldn't be the first supervisor to tread that path.
18:35
Also problematic is that he might be distorting laymen views on science
But wouldn't it be great if it worked? :-)
I'm not very interested in space travel.
As for the laymen, it's the gutter end of the pop science press that do the distorting
(don't kill me pliz)
@JohnRennie Is it though? For instance, the name NASA somehow endows people associated with it with a huge amount of authority in the eyes of many people
Even though real physicists know most things they do in fundamental directions is bunk
I don't think White's ideas are utterly mad, and I want to see him complete the experiment. I don't think this should be stopped because the work may be misrepresented in the pop sci press.
18:41
I also don't feel strongly that it must be stopped---but I think it's a waste of time.
Don't misunderstand me, I think no effect will be detected, but I think it's worth the small investment necessary.
Are physicists with messier hair inherently better than those without?
IIRC the experiment was even less ambitious?
Like
Just seeing if you could measure any spacetime effects from EM fields
Which, according to papers, you should not
but then, as said
Since he didn't really publish anything, it's a bit hard to know exactly what he tried to do
Only the press releases to go by
18:57
I have to say I'm surprised you (or any physicist) has a downer on it. I don't see it does any harm, and it's a fun idea that might just detect some interesting effects.
It has more potential to raise GDP than whatever Danu is doing his thesis on.
Maybe that's why he's upset, some crackpot is doing things more useful than he is.
@JohnRennie Well making grand claims to get all the pop science publicity and then not doing anything certainly doesn't help :p
Yes but Harold White isn't a grandstander, and he is doing something. See the link I posted above. It just hasn't worked yet :-)
@JohnRennie What is a colloid scientist?
Colloid scientists study small things floating about in medium.
For example emulsions and dispersions are colloids, and so are clouds and smoke.
19:08
@BernardMeurer A cylindrical scientist
They study milk.
I think @Slereah Just called you fat @JohnRennie
Milkology
we generally include polymer solutions in the field as well, on the grounds that polymer molecules are big.
And thanks, I see what you mean
19:09
@Slereah Yes, milk is a colloid.
@JohnRennie The classic monograph by Hawking and Ellis.
Yes, the one book we talk about every day
And a commercially important one. There are lots of colloid scientists studying the things you can do with milk.
Gee do you even read
What can you do with milk
You know
@0celo7 Aha, yes, thanks :-)
19:10
I think once I'm back down to 55kg
I'm going to bake a big chocolate cake
55?! Gee you're anorexic
55kg is light - how tall are you?
I used to weigh 50 kg a few years back :p
172 cm
I do have noodle arms, tho
I'm 1.78m and 66kg and most people describe me as thin.
Don't mind being heavier but I wanna get rid of the fat
19:11
I'm 182 and 80
Anorexics.
The belleh
Gotta get 2 Kg fatter to make it fit nicely
182 and 82Kg, that sounds cool
I dunno
It's like
I've been skinny all my life
Feels a bit weird to have some fat around now?
@Slereah We need a new GR book to talk about.
19:14
Hm
Let's read Choquet-Bruhat.
I think we talked about Wald a fair bit too
What's Choquet Bruhat
What does it have of interest
How do you pronounce that?
Sounds like french porn
Choquet Bruhat
Lol.
@Slereah It's on the Cauchy problem.
19:16
So's HE
Did you read Visser
It's a fun enough read
Or maybe
We should try reading MTW
What if we read
Einstein
And the Evidence
I don't think I ever read Einstein's book on GR really
I've read a few papers but it's pretty old stuff
Damn, out of close votes again.
How many of those were Duffield
Actually the only time I've voted to close one of JD's posts was when he posted an answer to one of my questions that was a comment not an answer.
@JohnRennie That has happened to me every day for more than a month now. Either other people stopped reviewing (which I don't see) or the "spike" in garbage posts is really a continuous stream now.
@JohnRennie Do you eventually get more than 10 flags?
19:20
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A: How many flags does a user have per day?

KevinAs of June 25, 2013, flag weight appears to have been dropped entirely in favor of straight net count. default 10 per day one bonus flag per 2000 reputation one bonus flag for every 10 net helpful flags (helpful - declined) maximum 100 According to this post, flag weight is still used to de...

@BernardMeurer Yes, I have 100 flags. It will be relted to your rep, and I'm sure it's documented somewhere.
@BernardMeurer I have 96.
@JohnRennie Only 100?
@Danu It's capped at 100.
It must top out at 100
@ACuriousMind oh...
D'oh.
I'm close! :)
19:21
@ACuriousMind Dammit will you stop posting my answers 5 seconds before me :-)
By the way, ACM
@JohnRennie Never!
I learned about sheaves recently, and I'm trying to see why I care about them, beyond the easiest examples of [type of functions] fitting the bill
I only have bloody 10, and SO is just a stream of shit hitting the fan and splaterring on everyone
You know
Physics SE is pretty bad
But I'm glad I'm not on Stack Overflow
19:23
@Danu Do you know why you care about bundles?
Imagine what moderating that must be like
I think it's one of the "cleanest" SE sites.
Because every bundle has its sheaf of sections, so you can view sheaves as a generalization of bundles.
Yeah sure
Definitely, Linux/Unix is also bad, though not as bad as Help Ubuntu which is urgh
19:23
But I don't need to know about sheaves to deal with bundles.
So tell me, why do I care about sheaves
Physics is the cleanest I've been to, and SO the worst so far
As in, why do I need a general theory rather than the particular, useful examples I already know
@Slereah No, the whole 600 page book is on the Cauchy problem.
At least, a very large part is.
@BernardMeurer It's really not the cleanest
MikeMiller said basically the only thing we care about really is sheaf cohomology
19:24
But it's clean for a "big" one
But still, it attracts a lot of weirdoes
There's a Thing where people think they know physics when they do not
But then again, maybe you have a different angle
@Danu That sounds to me like asking "Why do I need the general theory of topological spaces if I'm only interested in my specific examples?"
@Slereah No.
@ACuriousMind Lol
I don't think the analogy is very good
@Danu I spend most of my time on SO, and whenever I look at questions here they look so much better. Even the people who are lost aren't as lost. I got a question about how to recover bloody outlook emails the other day
19:27
For example notions like compactness are really illuminating, and I think it's only natural in the context of general topological spaces.
@Danu Penrose is very keen on sheaf cohomology. The details are beyond me but I gather it's very important in twistor theory.
@Danu Well, if you don't want to hear about sheaf cohomology, I think the main reason is really algebraic geometry: The spaces of algebraic geometry are so ill-behaved that you can capture them with the notion of locally ringed spaces, but have no chance with the "usual" geometrical methods.
Or something simpler like connectedness/path connectedness
@JohnRennie Ah, cool.
Well the difference between here and SO is that SO is much more practical-oriented
@ACuriousMind Okay
19:28
Like if an answer is bad, it's pretty easy to check
@Danu there are many people who would argue that the notion of a sheaf is very natural: It's the general notion of attaching local data to a space that you can glue to global data
@JohnRennie I found this :)
You know what has the potential to be terrible?
Philosophy SE
I hope they moderate it well
Welcome back. I've read your messages.
Otherwise it might just go into ARE ANY OF US REALLY THERE
19:30
@ACuriousMind Yeah, I'm trying to improve my intuition.
@Slereah Have you read all of Visser?
There's a philosophy SE? Cool, didn't know
Didn't read the QFT section entirely
I've a little bad environment but it's a physics chat.
19:31
Let me ask if I exist, brb
I vote we read Beem et al. over the summer. Learn some actual GR math.
Like the whole divergence on multiple passages thing
"we all"
@Danu huh?
Huh, I wonder how I misread that
19:33
Mister Bean?
Weird.
You can't ask for book references on any of the SE sites right?
You can try but be careful
Read the posts about it
@BernardMeurer On PSE you definitely can.
P being Philosophy there?
19:34
Lately I heard from Mrs. pedagogue and my teacher that academic exercises (for eg. Landau and Feynman) are too hard too me
@BernardMeurer no
Without a break, people say to me
Should I worry or be enjoyed?
@hubot well we are of same age!
@hubot If you're having fun go for it. Just don't be like Einstein and fail all your other exams.
@JohnRennie That's a myth. Einstein had excellent grades.
19:37
At school yes, at university no. That's why he ended up working as a patent clerk 3rd grade.
@JohnRennie I also think that's not true.
I could go ahead and check that in Pais' book, if you really want me to.
@DeNiSkA Are you trying solve exercises from Landau or Feynman's book?
@hubot not from landau but from feynman!
@hubot did you complete classical mechanics?
@Danu Read "Hans Ohanian - Einstein's Mistakes". Despite the title it's quite an affectionate book, but it makes little attempt to hide the fact that Einstein wasn't a particularly nice chap.
@DeNiSkA No, I'm in Atoms in motion. I wonder at evaporation problem and collimation atomic beam problem.
19:41
Is a circle homeomorphic to two interlocked circles? (Quite sure it's not.)
@DeNiSkA What is the method which you use to solve the task?
*your exercises
I don't think that would be continuous?
@0celo7 No. (The fundamental groups are different, for one)
@ACuriousMind Well, I was going to remove two points and get 3 vs. 4 connected components.
But that works too.
@hubot well when i started with feynman i was quite hard for me but i started with resnick-halliday and did exercises (honestly) and completed classical mechanics and now i am able to understand
19:44
So the picture on page 3 of Guillemin & Pollack is wrong.
@DeNiSkA: Will you tomorrow on chat or private messages at 8 PM o'clock?
@JohnRennie Are you asserting it's more authoritative than Pais' book?
@0celo7 Look closer. That's not two interlocked circles.
@hubot well i think our time zones are different, you live in which country?
Poland
I want to sometimes ask to about something on PM.
19:46
@Danu It depends what you mean by authoritative. Pais was a friend of Einstein's and his book is definitely on the servile side.
@ACuriousMind Uhh, really?
@JohnRennie ...which seems irrelevant when it comes to reporting grades.
PM? sorry?
*Private Messages
What the heck is it
19:47
about Feynman problems
Oh it's one circle
Derp :p
I did a bunch of the exercizes from the Feynman book on path integrals
Wasn't too easy!
Have you got Skype or e-mail?
@Danu I'm just skimming Pais now. He states that Einstein failed the ETH exam because although he did well in sciences he did badly in all the other subjects. Page 40 in my edition.
19:49
Which is exactly what I said, so yar boo sucks
@DeNiSkA: Could you give me?
@JohnRennie Hey, good for you! :-)
@DeNiSkA: Thank you. Have to go.
@hubot okay! bye
19:51
I still think you're misrepresenting the situation @JohnRennie, since this was only an entrance exam.
In particular, he was not a student there and these were not the type of grades that appear on any transcripts.
After that, he went to obtain the relevant high school diploma (with excellent grades, as seen on the famous report card circulating on the internet)
He then got into ETH, no problem.
i got confused here!
suppose i am having earth and a ball as a system i make a ball hit earth horizontally with a wall (*from somewhere out of earth*) collision can be considered elastic. after the collision to conserve momentum earth will have to move(*i know it is negligable*), correct or not?
Excellent, lol. Not if he were Asian!
Furthermore, your claim about him becoming a clerk because of mediocre grades is demonstrably wrong.
Ohanian says, and cites a quote from Einstein: "Einstein was a rather erratic student skipping many classes and barely completing the minimum work for graduation while devoting most of his time to independent study of more advanced topics in physics"
On pages 44-45 of Pais, we read:
@JohnRennie Yes, he didn't attend classes (as also written in Pais' book)
But his grades were excellent
Continuing with the Pais quote:
19:55
@JohnRennie Basically me
Because who gives a shit about like
Electronics
Or ENGLISH
God I hated english
I've spoken decent english since 2005 but still every bloody class had english
"His final grades were 5 each for theoretical physics, experimental physics, and astronomy; 5.5 for the theory of functions; 4.5 for an essay on heat conductivity (out of a maximum of 6). And so, in August 1900, Einstein became qualified as Fachlehrer, together with three other students, who each immediately obtained positions as assistants at the ETH."
5 out of what
Later he says "After his graduation in 1900 Einstein hoped for some academic post perhaps as an assistant to one of his professors. But in view of his poor record as a student none of the professors at the polytechnic had any interest in employing him"
[cont.] "Einstein himself was jobless. It was a disappointment for him. He never quite forgave Weber for holding out an assistantship and then letting the matter drop"
@JohnRennie Seems like a strong interpretation.
@Slereah "(out of a maximum of 6)", it's right there :P
19:57
Any sources on discontent from professors?
It is also detailed in Pais' book that Weber and Einstein didn't get along. But this was on a personal level.
How would you describe, in hand-wavey heuristic words, why the K-G Hamiltonian is of the form
$\int [(\partial_0\psi^*)(\partial^0 \psi) + (\nabla \psi^*)(\nabla \psi) + m^2 \psi^* \psi)d^3x$, it has to be a bilinear function of $\psi$ and $\psi^*$ because all operators are, I can wave my hands and get it from $T + V$ but how about something even more hand-wavey? e.g. the energy has to contain a term like $\psi^* \psi$ because...
Maybe they were discontent at his jewishness
On more careful reading I think the poor record was largely a poor disciplinary record.
If he didn't get an assistantship over personal "friction" with a single professor then I'd say that Weber is falsely characterizing the situation.
i.e. skipping classes and being rude to staff.
19:58
I wonder if Danu is rude IRL
@0celo7 The Dutch have a tendency to be, erm, direct :-)
In any case, looking at Amazong reviews (super reliable, I know right?), it seems clear that Ohanian is keen on painting the worst possible picture of Einstein, while staying within boundaries of reasonableness given the facts.
@0celo7 Sure.
Note that our very own Ben Crowell also wrote a review, characterizing Ohanian's book as misleading.

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