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19:00
@user36790 thanks
@user36790 Never. That's one thing stackoverflow taught me, people rather ask something and look dumb than to just google it
@user36790 I googled "google" and it says page not found :(
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@HariPrasad wtf!
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@BernardMeurer: I know you love dummies.
19:01
@BernardMeurer Google is not for "dummies"
@user36790 The only good thing about dummies is they ask questions easy enough for me to answer
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@BernardMeurer Seriously, though, they are quite good books.
@BernardMeurer Are you the "actual" Ninja?
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@BernardMeurer: Google Zerg Rush
@user36790 I'm aware! I learned C++ with a for dummies book
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19:03
@HariPrasad: ^
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@BernardMeurer Yes, you recommended that to DeNiSkA; I saw it.
@user36790 Tsc, that game is too difficult for me
@HariPrasad Yes I am a ninja
@user36790 Zerg Rush ate my search results. WTF?
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@BernardMeurer How much score?
Or a monkey, it's arguable
@user36790 126 I think
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19:05
I scored 145 ;/
Okay, what the heck is ;/ supposed to convey?
@ACuriousMind A stroke
@ACuriousMind haha same here
You keep using that and I keep parsing it as a sad wink, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever
@ACuriousMind it does.
19:06
It's a stroke dude, google "stroke face" it's the same
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;(
@user36790 ;)
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@BernardMeurer Googling "stroke face" gives me many things, but no emoticons
@ACuriousMind I need a good read, any recommendations?
@ACuriousMind true
19:08
@ACuriousMind The face people get when they stroke is ;/
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@BernardMeurer What do you want to read?
@BernardMeurer Anything by Pratchett
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@ACuriousMind :(
@user36790 Some philosophy or something of the kind, I just finished In Defense of Lost Causes
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He just died three days ago!
19:10
@user36790 What? He's been dead for about a year now
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@BernardMeurer Das Kapital!
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@HariPrasad Ha!
@user36790 Oh please I've read that communist nonsense
@BernardMeurer Oh, you want non-fiction
19:11
@ACuriousMind Preferably, never been much for fiction
@BernardMeurer you can read "The jungle book"
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@ACuriousMind Damn didn't notice 2015 ;(
@HariPrasad I'm pretty sure that's a movie for children
@BernardMeurer I'm not reading much these days, but I almost exclusively read fantasy and sci-fi, never been much for anything else, so I don't think I can help you
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@BernardMeurer: Gibbon's Rise and Fall of Roman Empire
19:13
@ACuriousMind Darn it, thanks tho <3
@BernardMeurer you can read "Bansenshukai - A book of Ninja"
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Though not of philosophy ;(
@user36790 That looks pretty awesome
I've added on my to-read list; but it's far too big
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@BernardMeurer You've whole life to read it.
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This is one of the great classics.
19:14
@user36790 The point is I need something to read between now and august or so :p
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@BernardMeurer: Also Tolstoy's Death and the meaning of life
@BernardMeurer that might interest you
@HariPrasad Why would that interest me?
@BernardMeurer you are a Ninja
@user36790 Damn, just realized I've never read Tolstoy, good call
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19:16
@BernardMeurer: That's my Grandpa's favourite.
Author, book, or both?
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@BernardMeurer They are cheaper too. Also there are Kindle versions.
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@BernardMeurer Author.
@BernardMeurer My favourite: "Moby Dick by Herman Melville"
@user36790 Are yous sure you don't mean The Death of Ivan Ilyich?
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19:17
@HariPrasad Ha! I read it in my childhood.
@user36790 lol
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@BernardMeurer No.
If by favorite you mean by most impacting "The Horrors and Absurdities of Religion" is by far my favorite
@user36790 Can't find that one then :/
@user36790 //know this? : "The Invisible Man" XD
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@BernardMeurer: And of course, the most (in) famous
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19:26
......
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guess
I've googled it already
@user36790 : are you trying to make fun of me?
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@HariPrasad Have the book; but not read it.
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@JohnDuffield No.
19:28
:28242524 yes? haha
@user36790 : so what's with the How I am still alive ;/ ?
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@JohnDuffield China town.....
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it was LOOOOOLLLL
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@BernardMeurer: Didn't find the book?
@user36790 Nope
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19:29
@BernardMeurer hmmm....
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@BernardMeurer: Let me do a bit googling; but I remember I saw it at Amazon....
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two years back ;|
The E=hf photon is a wave. The particle is a wave. Ditto for the electron.
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@JohnDuffield You never could understand sarcasm.
I understand sarcasm.
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19:31
@BernardMeurer: If you read that nonsense communi, then have a shot in Mein Kampf ;P
@user36790 That I haven't read nor plan to read
@JohnDuffield Are we waves?
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@HariPrasad Good question.
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NO
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@BernardMeurer: google.co.in/…
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19:33
Sorry ;(
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Damn no one publishes that book.
Price's a bit salty
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@BernardMeurer: But there are many books of Tolstoy.
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@BernardMeurer My book is Rs. 200
Rs being indian rupee?
19:35
@HariPrasad : you are made of molecules. Those molecules are made of atoms. Those atoms are made of electrons, protons, and neutrons. We can diffract electrons, protons, and neutrons, because such particles are waves. That's what the wave nature of matter is all about. So you could reasonably say we are "made of waves". But IMHO it would be going too far to say we are waves.
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And this book inspired the Great Mahatma Gandhi:
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@BernardMeurer Yep
@user36790 I don't like Gandhi, he nuked my capital in Civilization V a while back. I'm still salty
@JohnDuffield So you mean we may be subjected to diffraction.
19:37
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@BernardMeurer hehehehe
@Slereah That asshat
@HariPrasad : no. You can diffract an electron, but you cannot diffract a man.
@JohnDuffield Is that a challenge?
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Don't make fun of him ;(
19:38
@JohnDuffield really? I don't think so!
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Electrons are not at all waves.
@user36790 They are both in the "quantum" sense
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Neither they are particles.
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Electrons are electrons.
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19:40
Electrons show wave-like properties
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But that doesn't mean they are waves.
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They are not smeared out entities.
@user36790 they are all fields !
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@HariPrasad Quite true.
@user36790 And maybe "strings"
19:41
I think you mean rays of a Hilbert space
@user36790 They are not? The generic electron state (like in an orbital) is pretty delocalized, which justifies calling it "smeared out"
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@ACuriousMind Orbitals are not electrons, are they?
@HariPrasad No, they are not. They may be states generated by a quantum field, but a state is not the field itself.
All electron states are delocalized
@user36790 : electrons are waves. You diffract electrons. In atomic orbitals electrons exist as standing waves. See for example Ehrenberg and Siday's The Refractive Index in Electron Optics and the Principles of Dynamics.
19:43
@user36790 It's an electron state. It's as close to something that you might justifiably call "being an electron" as you will come in quantum mechanics.
@JohnDuffield We all love JD
@user36790 star it
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@HariPrasad Jokes apart, seriously remove it.
@user36790 : the electron is smeared out. It's an extended entity. It isn't some point-particle that has a field. Its field is what it is. Standing wave, standing field.
@JohnDuffield You are really great. Thanks!
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@JohnDuffield: The waves you are talking about are of probability construct. They are not real waves carrying mass, charge.
19:47
Please keep it civil here, everyone is free to talk to other users, or not to talk to them.
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Do we need to consider work-energy theorem when considering motion of a block on circular track?
Just my advice
@Slereah Any new songs?
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@JohnDuffield: They impart probability amplitude of finding electron at a certain base state; say a position, at a certain time. The coefficients are governed by Schroedinger's equation.
19:48
Try that on for size
:28243023 : I'm talking physics, backed by references. And those waves are real waves. Electron diffraction is not some some probability construct:
"This phenomenon is commonly known as wave–particle duality, which states that a particle of matter (in this case the incident electron) can be described as a wave. For this reason, an electron can be regarded as a wave much like sound or water waves. This technique is similar to X-ray and neutron diffraction."
@Slereah It's unkind to say. Note that Stack Exchange's "be nice" policy applies network-wide, including in chat.
people...I just asked a question
dont have fun here
@HariPrasad Darude Sandstorm
@manshu What do you mean "do we need to consider"? What would you want to consider it for?
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@JohnDuffield: Electrons are not waves.
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19:50
What gets interfered in the slit experiment is probability amplitude.
@manshu Are you from the past?
@ACuriousMind I was having the practice question...in which the block is on the circular track which goes up...
@Slereah Cool stuff
@HariPrasad Yup...In my days time travel was possible
That swedish?
19:52
Not a clue
@BernardMeurer Do you have some kind of Swedish fetish? :D
It is, just googled
@ACuriousMind I have a scandinavian fetish
@ACuriousMind just bcz it was a practice question doesn't mean you can't mention the concept behind the question.
Hello!
@manshu Well, but unless you tell us what you want to know about the motion of the block, how are we supposed to tell you if you have to consider the work-energy theorem?
Also, I'm not the best one to talk about the "work-energy theorem" because I still don't see what about it is not just conservation of energy. I've never needed the concept of "work-energy theorem"
19:56
Mass of 2m is kept on a smooth circular track of mass m which is kept on a smooth horizontal surace. The circular track is given a horizontal velocity of (2gR)^1/2 towards left. Find the maximum height reached by 2m.
@ACuriousMind this is the question
It's pretty easy comparing to your standards
@user36790 : I'm sorry, but there's crystal-clear unequivocal hard scientific evidence for the wave nature of matter. See for example the Davisson–Germer experiment. Perhaps you should ask a question on the stack exchange about this? Don't forget that the E=hc\λ photon has a wavelength, and we make electrons and positrons out of photons in pair production.
Is necessary free path of atom to calculate cross section of collison?
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@JohnDuffield I'm not objecting to the wave property of the electron.
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What I'm objecting is electrons are themselves not waves.
19:58
@ACuriousMind Here's the picture
@user36790 My name is Albert Einstein and i think light is a particle. :P
happy b'day albert einstein

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