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17:17
@NihalJalaluddinP any other question?
cool!!!!
@user36790 check the question above slereah's video
Why do you repeat punctuation? What about a single question mark or a single exclamation mark does not satisfy you? Why does almost every of your sentences have exclamation marks at its end?
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how does mach effect thruster produce negative energy?explain theory if you can
@ACuriousMind saying me?
17:25
@DeNiSkA Unless you see someone else here doing that, yes, I mean you.
answers please
lol!! this is second time, even 1 guy on mathematics chat told me this
who the heck found the word "lol"?
@NihalJalaluddinP There is no conclusive evidence that it does.
@DeNiSkA I believe that is because people tend to find it irritating. It's the digital equivalent of someone excitedly shouting all the time.
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@DeNiSkA There are many questions related to it in the main site:
17:28
@ACuriousMind hmm! i will try to control it!
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@DeNiSkA Don't do it. As ACM said, it is yelling.
okay
how uncertainity principle affects atom?
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Q: What IS reflection?

MeowHow does quantum electrodynamics actually explain HOW reflection occurs on a microscopic scale? Note that Feynman's QED lecture series/book is not sufficient, as he only assumes that light DOES reflect ('turn around and go back') in order to expound his path integral theory. My question is why ...

@ACuriousMind can i ask you site related question
17:32
What about just asking the question in general in this chat room, and someone who wants to answer will answer?
@user36790 let me read
Unless I am somehow uniquely qualified to answer the question, or you have reason to believe I find it interesting, there is no reason to ping me specifically, is there?
@ACuriousMind you are Albert Einstein of SE
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@DeNiSkA You don't have to ask, just ask
@DeNiSkA Blocked. I will not hear more of this nonsense.
17:34
what blocked @ACuriousMind
can anyone of you explain the "theory of everything"briefly.
@user36790 what did ACM mean
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@DeNiSkA Quite sort of literal block the user
no, i don't know what that mean
@user36790 ?
@ACuriousMind can you explain the "theory of everything"briefly.
user54412
17:40
I'm just going to throw out this random observation of etiquette: When one walks up to join a new social group, it is always proper to observe that group for a while before plunging in and treating them like other groups you may belong to. To do the latter is to push your personal preferences on others, treating them merely as a means to your own entertainment. In general you should be listening more than speaking in any social environment with multiple people.
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agree, i think i have been lacking this etiquette!
Any other room for physics chat?
@NihalJalaluddinP I have now repeatedly asked that people stop bothering me with random questions. I will not respond to you any further.
@ACuriousMind Sorry, i think because of your helpful nature, you are great!
@ACuriousMind Then,what type of question i can ask you?
17:47
i think he is hurt by me!
@DeNiSkA but he replied to my question
Lol
@NihalJalaluddinP which question
@0celo7 he got angry i think so!
@ChrisWhite it's called "lurking"
the theory of everything
17:49
It took me years of lurking on 4chan before I started posting and I still don't understand it
@NihalJalaluddinP but i didn't see!
@DeNiSkA what you are studying for?
@ACuriousMind yes!!!
Why what
17:52
@0celo7 why,yes?
@NihalJalaluddinP i study because i love to
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The amplitude that the electron jumps from atom a to atom b is same as the amplitude that a hole jumps from atom b to atom a; right?
@user36790 answer to which question?
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If they are same, how can the energy diagram be different for electron and hole?
Different mass
Hole has a much heavier effective mass
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17:57
@Slereah oh.
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@Slereah does effective mass change the energy diagram so vastly?
Not a clue
Electron holes are pretty heavy IIRC
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@Slereah Let me show the pic....
Since the effective mass involves all the electrons around the hole moving
what are the experimental ways to create exotic matter?
18:01
Light squeezing.
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@Slereah: check the energy diagram of the hole ^
Iunno m8
I'm not a semiconductor dude
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And this is that of electron.
18:06
@Slereah So are you an isolator or a conductor dude?
Pass the wire and let's find out!
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The later is parabolic while the former is parabolic only for smaller k
what is parabola?
simple definition.
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@NihalJalaluddinP google it.
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18:10
@Slereah: Effective mass depends on the direction of motion?
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@Slereah effective mass tensor?
@user36790 it is a bit tough for a 13 year old guy.any much simple definition
Nooo
A hole is not an actual particle
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@Slereah I'm not talking for hole ;/
18:12
It's an abstraction made by pretending that the empty energy level in the band is a particle
Well no need for effective mass for the electron
It just has a mass
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@Slereah mass and effective mass are different.
@NihalJalaluddinP do you know cartesien plane(politely)
Yes.
@DeNiSkA not yet
Effective mass is the mass you use by incorporating other effects into the mass term
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18:13
Feynman says if A_x, A_y, A_z are different, then effective mass depends on the direction of motion.
Will the Sun still use the proton-proton reaction when it becomes a red giant?
i completely new to this
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@NihalJalaluddinP Then wait; time will answer. Just be patient.
@NihalJalaluddinP then it is hard to explain, for physics you must know mathematics
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@Slereah: BTW, I'm not getting one thing
18:15
need your help.
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Feynman wrote first that
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> the amplitudes A that the hole jumps from atom a to atom b is just the same as the amplitude that an electron on atom b jumps into the hole at atom a
@SirCumference are you talking about nuclear fusion?
Well yes
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Then he writes again
18:16
need your help.
That is what the abstraction of a hole is
@NihalJalaluddinP Yeah, in the Sun's core
@NihalJalaluddinP we all are function of time! so to know you must wait
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> The mathematics is just the same for the hole as it was for the extra electron, and we get again that the energy of the hole is related to its wave number by an equation just like Eq. (14.1) or (14.2), except, of course, with different numerical values for the amplitudes Ax, Ay, and Az
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Didn't he say A is same?
18:17
@DeNiSkA i cant wait for it
impatient kids...
o.O
yes!
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@Slereah: Is A vector?
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They are just amplitudes ;/
18:19
@yuggib i have to wait at least 3 or 4 years.
you have to do something more constructive than asking random questions on a chat
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@NihalJalaluddinP not wait but prepare to get
@NihalJalaluddinP in which class you are
then it mean at 15 you will be in 11th, right?
18:21
@DeNiSkA yeah
then wait for sometime! me too is 15 and still learning, don't rush up
@ChrisWhite You can just walk in and say "What's up bitches"
And pretend you've always been there
@SirCumference what book you use for astro?
18:31
@DeNiSkA Book? I just read online
REALLY? which site?
Wikipedia :)
but from wikipedia i don't know where to start, tell me from where i should?
Well it depends, what do you wanna learn first?
our solar system!
i just love neptune!
18:33
The Solar System is the gravitationally bound system comprising the Sun and the objects that orbit it, either directly or indirectly. Of those objects that orbit the Sun directly, the largest eight are the planets, with the remainder being significantly smaller objects, such as dwarf planets and small Solar System bodies. Of the objects that orbit the Sun indirectly, the moons, two are larger than the smallest planet, Mercury. The Solar System formed 4.6 billion years ago from the gravitational collapse of a giant interstellar molecular cloud. The vast majority of the system's mass is in the Sun...
Ya can learn about the heliosphere here, the Oort cloud, the Hill sphere, and all the other cool stuff
It's a bit complicated but really amazing when you start reading
complications come and go like a rat! my grandparent says
Do they
old saying, i don't know
So anyway
What other scientist can I send an email too!
CLOUD: wow im honored, no one ever flies up here to visit me up in the sky
HELICOPTER: well im a gigantic fan
18:37
Let's write all the famous physicists!
I only really got into astronomy at 15
Now I'm 17 and I still love it
@SirCumference me too 15
@Keepthesemind i didn't get you?
@Keepthesemind oh lol
Welp
Time for the SERIOUS SCIENCE
I got my Abramowitz out
A
A (named /ˈeɪ/, plural As, A's, as, a's or aes) is the first letter and the first vowel in the ISO basic Latin alphabet. It is similar to the Ancient Greek letter alpha, from which it derives. The upper-case version consists of the two slanting sides of a triangle, crossed in the middle by a horizontal bar. The lower-case version can be written in two forms: the double-storey a and single-storey ɑ. The latter is commonly used in handwriting and fonts based on it, especially fonts intended to be read by children. It is also found in italic type. == History == The earliest certain ancestor of "A...
Abramowitz has nothing interesting on Lamé functions
Oh well
Let's try the Gradshteyn
18:44
@Keepthesemind don't blabber non-sense!! well this was cool.
Nothing either
Hm
I didn't pick the easiest function to use
@SirCumference have you tried IAO
international astronomy olympiads
Neeeerd
18:52
Fraid I haven't heard of it
@Slereah The hell you doin on the physics SE if you're not a nerd? :)
this has been started recently
I increase the GDP
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@Slereah damn boring chat ;/
@Slereah lol
@user36790 olympiads is best to get to any organization
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@SirCumference No one needs to be nerd to study physics ;/
18:54
@user36790 Being a nerd is awesome though
agreed Sir
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@SirCumference show-off
what do you mean?
Isn't anyone who loves math a nerd?
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(-‸ლ)
18:57
@SirCumference Spoken like a nerd :V
"Higher transcendental functions III" actually has a chapter on Lamé equations!
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@Slereah Russian smell?
stole my words @user36790
18:59
@Slereah you are real nerd!
Fight me
ok
the book looks 1000+ pages
1100
woah! smells nerdy
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@Slereah: what so cool in local barn ;/
19:04
@user36790 if you are indian did you write IAPT
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@DeNiSkA I hate acronyms ;/
well google it
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@DeNiSkA yes, saw it - no
oh i see.
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@DeNiSkA: what does your name imply?
19:08
my friends name
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typical bro code ;/
no she made me love physics, that's why
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@DeNiSkA sis code?
@user36790 lol! yes
ACM is inactive now ! quite hard to digest
19:30
ACM is probably supremely annoyed...
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@0celo7 yep
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@0celo7 everyone questions him ....
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everyone thinks he is an AI
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@AccidentalFourierTransform: o/
@user36
crap
@user36790 there you go
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19:32
@AccidentalFourierTransform got the mass as pointed by Slereah
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But what about those $A$s?
@user36790 what is AI?
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@DeNiSkA google it.
Since when did this chat become overrun with people who don't know English?
And can't look up words?
what is overrun?
19:35
huh! i thought this is some personnel acronym!
sorry autocorrect sucks
@user36790 what about $A$?
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@AccidentalFourierTransform Feynman said the amplitudes $A$ that the hole jumps from atom $a$ to atom $b$ is just the same as the amplitude that an electron on atom $b$ jumps into the hole at atom $a.$
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Then he said,
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> The mathematics is just the same for the hole as it was for the extra electron, and we get again that the energy of the hole is related to its wave number by an equation just like Eq. (14.1) or (14.2), except, of course, with different numerical values for the amplitudes $A_x,$ $A_y,$ and $A_z\;.$
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$A$ is same but $A_x, A_y, A_z$ are different!
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19:38
$A$ isn't supposed to be a vector ;/
20:41
halp
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@BernardMeurer uh?
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@BernardMeurer: problem?
@user36790 got waitisted by GA tech
It's like, neither in nor out
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@BernardMeurer ;/
dunno what to do
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20:43
@BernardMeurer chill.
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@BernardMeurer: only applied for GA?
@user36790 Nono, applied to a bunch of places
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@BernardMeurer Got all the results?
@user36790 just a few, not all yet
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@BernardMeurer stay positive. Your world doesn't end in GA.
20:49
@user36790 Yeah but usually when you get waitlisted there are things you can do to try and convince them, i just dont know what those things are
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@BernardMeurer who is expert here? ACM? or Daniel?
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or others?
@user36790 Dunno, maybe dmckee, CW and DS
I'll wait for them to pop online
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@BernardMeurer till then, thumbs up that they might share some trick...
Hoping so too, thanks @user36790
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20:53
@0celo7: wanna ask something about holes and electrons
I don't know anything about that.
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Aargggggg.....
I know my fare about holes, just not sure we're talking about the same kind of hole
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@BernardMeurer: May be 0celo could share something......
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@BernardMeurer huh?
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20:54
@BernardMeurer semiconductor
@user36790 Not the same hole
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okay; let it be a day for me; good night to all (-_-)zzz
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@BernardMeurer @0celo7: bye .
21:10
@BernardMeurer are you waiting for dmckee and others?
@DeNiSkA Or anyone who has a word on it, why?
oh! then dmckee is online just type a message to call him
@dmckee You around?
Yeah. I'm about for the moment.
What should one do when one gets waitlisted?
21:14
Should be grading. Or failing that, preapring to make something out of a lecture on Hamiltonian mechanics.
@BernardMeurer Not to be a joker, but I think the answer is "wait".
@dmckee Sigh, I was fearing that'd be the answer
Never be a joker...coz i m batman
It means they consider your application promising, but they sorted some other people ahead of you.
Until they hear from the people they made the first offer to they won't have any news.
Remaind me: undergrad or grad applications?
@dmckee Are you telling me to find the people and eliminate them?
Undergrad
@BernardMeurer I think I read that story.
21:16
@dmckee That actually happened?
\No fiction. and it was about job openings, but still.
Did it work?
In any case, the admin office usually has pretty accurate statistics about undergrad admissions, so many people on the wait-list will get the call.
Heyo
Lol @ACuriousMind I see your fanboy clique has gotten a bit out of hand? ;)
I'd almost stop being jealous of your fake internet points
@dmckee Hope so
21:27
4 hours ago, by DeNiSkA
@ACuriousMind hmm! i will try to control it!
The irony!
!!!!!1!111!!!!!!!
@Danu What gives?
I was wait listed by Cal Tech in the late bronze age, and given that I was unsure how I'd pay for it anyway just accepted UCSB's offer.
@BernardMeurer Nothing :P
@Danu lol!!!
@dmckee "just" So casual!
I wish I'd gotten accepted... Y'know... anywhere at all.
21:28
@dmckee You're a physics monstah
@Danu Don't you go to uni in Munich?
Yeah. I got rejected everywhere in the US (to be fair, I only tried 4 places) and accepted everywhere in Europe.
@Danu where did you apply in the US
Princeton, MIT, Caltech & Stanford
And well, I got accepted in only one place in Brazil, and so far only one in the US too
@Danu Tsc, it's normal not getting into any of those
To be fair, the GRE's are apparently super important for European applicants and I didn't do that amazingly on the PGRE :\
21:30
And still, which uni do you go to? Ludwig Maximilians?
@BernardMeurer I know that, but people around me had been giving very encouraging prognoses. Obviously wrong, with hindsight.
@BernardMeurer LMU & TUM both officially.
They are both amazing institutions, congrats
Yeah, I'm happy with it now.
@Danu That is an ambitious list. I put in for Cal Tech and Harvey Mudd as "dream schools", UCSB and Colorado School of Mines for more realistic choices and UT Austin for a safety school. Got into the latter three.
The MSc. first is a nice thing anyways---plus the mathematical physics program is rather unique.
21:32
@Danu And I thought we were talking about undergrad school. My getting into grad school saga is a longer and rather more sorry tale.
@dmckee Yeah, well... As I said, people around me thought it should be no problem.
@dmckee Oh, sorry, yeah, I'm definitely talking about grad schools.
I'm talking Undergrad haha
You're all too old :p
I felt bitter about it for a bit---the whole thing was a huge deal for me since I had a girlfriend back in the US at that time (Boston, too...) @dmckee, so it was hard for me to get all those rejections + see dreams of being with her crushed.
@Danu I read a blog post that suggested 8-10 applications if you wanted certainty of getting into a first rank grad school. Just because of the vageries of fortune
@dmckee Yes, and I only heard about that later on. Still think it sucks though, since that's about $100 a pop.
21:37
@Danu Yeah. That and the cost of taking the GRE are a significant burden on the students from my department who are thinking of grad school. It often makes them have to choose very carefully.
I almost had to sell my soul to pay for my applications
@dmckee It's really disgusting to see how all of this application business is just one big money machine in the US.
For instance, the fact that my bachelor's degree was from an English-taught degree didn't suffice to prove proficiency---I had to take that $200 TOEFL (or was it the other one?) bullshit: I got 119/120, big woop! Such a waste of time and money...
@Danu paying for college is far worse
@BernardMeurer At least for top grad schools, most of that is funded by the uni.
Hi @oksana24; You wouldn't happen to be the one I know from Munich, right?
Yeah, so far I can't afford where I got into
21:41
@BernardMeurer :(
Yeah it's rather disappointing
Hoping UPenn takes my ass
Physics?, -anyone? ; Dirac equation wiki; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_equation#Physical_interpretation "Some of these issues of interpretation must be regarded as open questions.[citation needed] what are the paradoxical issues in Dirac equation?
@Danu After I passed the qualifier at my grad school the particle physics group offered to send me to Fermilab for the summer. They also sent a new Indian grad student. We weren't going to get back in time for him to take the "check that foreign TAs are comprehensible" exam they used and they wouldn't give him a wavier even thought his English and diction is better than mine and they spend hours on the phone with him.
Eventually he talked to the head of that office for half an hour and she ruled that he could skip it for a semester.
Moral of the story: bosses can break their own rules.
Got lucky there, I guess.
@dmckee I guess they're human after all ;)
Yep. But you have to go to the top.
21:46
@dmckee Oh well. I never got even close to getting that far ;)
After all, though, I think it's a good thing I didn't end up in the US (hopefully this is not just the self-assuring bias talking! ;D). I wasn't really happy during the month or so I spent in Princeton for a project, plus it didn't work out with the girlfriend after all ;)
22:00
How can I check my karma?
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@Danu Apparently the physics dept. here just rejected a brilliant kid from Europe that my professors were eager to work with (as in, they said he was the brightest student they ever met), the reason being the one prof who looked at the application just wasn't interested and/or wasn't paying attention at the time.
@BernardMeurer My sympathies. I have a friend or two who's hearing back today, so I know how nerve-wracking this one is.
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Access to higher education in the US is 50% random chance, 40% being part of the minority du jour, and 10% talent.
@ChrisWhite or they have to know someone that recommends you :-P
@ChrisWhite Randomness must love your ass :p
22:07
@Danu There were I think <10 people out of 74 in my grade who applied to those schools, and none did better than deferrals. And some of these people are really, really smart. It's kind of sad how competitive it's been getting.
@HDE226868 Thanks man, and yeah it's absolutely driving me insane more insane
@ChrisWhite Wow, GG :P
@BernardMeurer UPenn's awesome; I'm looking at some schools down in that area.
As a non-minority of any kind, I guess my chances aren't that great ;)
@BernardMeurer Same here.
22:09
@HDE226868 I was the only one out of eh.. 200 or so :P
@HDE226868 I'm in love with their program, really hope I get in
@Danu Wow.
Europe, man :P
We don't really get through to those 'Muricans
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@BernardMeurer The bigger the school I'd say the less chance of bypassing the queue. I'd also suggest waiting. You could also look up -- somewhere, I'm not familiar enough -- historical got-in-through-waitlist data. There are some schools (few, and they tend to be the most pretentious ones) that put people on the waitlist knowing there's no chance of them getting in, just to make themselves feel more selective. My uninformed guess is GT isn't one of them.
It's okay though. I don't think my application was that strong after all.
And I didn't get lucky I guess, so eh shit happens
22:12
@ChrisWhite Thanks for the tips, I'll look GT over
average 2000 people waitlisted
usually a few hundred get in
meh
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@Danu At least this makes it less likely you'll have Trump as your president :p
@BernardMeurer Those don't sound like bad odds.
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Indeed, especially when you realize there will be plenty like dmckee who don't linger around on the waitlist.
@HDE226868 meh
It's still not better than 20%, let's face it.
22:41
[Insert slightly more optimistic comment here]
@Danu I don't think I'll get in, no
user54412
This room can't decide whether to be angry, confused, or depressed. Welcome to your emo phase, h-bar.
Oh no
Among conic sections, there is also
IMAGINARY QUADRICS
What do they look like
Do I have to use my imagination
23:34
@ChrisWhite Time to sleep ;)

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