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00:29
@ACuriousMind I forgot, happy b day
@0celo7 Thanks :)
@ACuriousMind shouldn't you be drunk right now
Or maybe you are ;)
I drank a bit from the Laphroaig my parents sent me, but I've got the whole day to get drunk ahead of me ;)
@ACuriousMind As a birthday present, wanna help me solve the wave equation on a 90 degree wedge of a disk with Dirichlet boundary conditions...
@0celo7 hell, no
00:43
@ACuriousMind tfw this is only a third of my homework...
these PDE problem sets are stupidly long
half the time is spent figuring out the completely disorganized lecture notes
I think the prof has ADD
his answer to "what the hell are Bessel functions" was "think of them like sine and cosine"
@ACuriousMind there exists a 700 page book on Bessel functions...
@0celo7 Never miss the chance to link
and
01:01
> most beautiful, deepest result in theoretical physics
really
I think $G_{\mu\nu}=T_{\mu\nu}$ is better
althought the deepest might be the M theory lagrangian
whatever it is
Those are not results, those are specific theories
The beauty of Noether's theorem lies precisely in its universality
@ACuriousMind Noether's theroem is just about finding first integrals of an ODE
@0celo7 The equations of motion of a field theory are typically not an ODE.
@ACuriousMind PDE
same thing
:P
Arnold has tainted me
He present's Noether's theorem as:
here is a useful method for finding first integrals of Eq. something
$$g(r,\theta)=\sum_{m=1}^\infty\sum_{n=1}^\infty A_{mn}J_{2m}(\alpha_{mn}r)\sin(2m\theta)$$
Will pay well for a formula for $A_{mn}$
01:24
@ACuriousMind How does $$A_{mn}=\frac{4}{\pi}\frac{\int_0^a \int_0^{\pi/2}rJ_{2m}(\alpha_{mn}r)\sin(2m\theta)\mathrm{d}\theta\mathrm{d}r}{\i‌​nt_0^a r[J_{2m}(\alpha_{mn}r)]^2\mathrm{d}r}$$ look
horrible
@ACuriousMind I need your EM skills :(
@ACuriousMind Ok i guess that was a bit of an unfocused question :P
-1
A: Stokes theorem in Lorentzian manifolds

Mozibur Ullah in order to apply the stokes theorem to Lorentz manifold we must take normals at the boundary ... The general stokes theorem for differential forms is valid for any orientable manifold with a boundary: $$\int_D d\omega = \int_{\partial D} \omega$$ A metric is not req'd; so is valid for...

Who gave that an upvote
He literally copied from the book
And didn't even answer the question
02:09
@dmckee If a wave goes through a cord with a variable mass density, why is the frequency constant throughout?
Two ways to think of this:
(a) What would happen at a point where the frequency on the left was different from that on the right? The cord would have to be discontinuous most of the time.
(b) Each part of the cord is a driven oscillator. In the steady state, driven oscillators take on the driving frequency, not their natural frequency.
@dmckee Hmm.
@dmckee Hmm.
I'd need to see (a) to be convinced
I can't picture it
(b) works for me I guess
03:06
@FenderLesPaul solutions
03:22
@BernardMeurer GTA?
@0celo7 Nah I'm in a mood
huh?
03:44
What's a Pepsi Max?
@BernardMeurer never heard of it
 
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04:53
Wow, a soft question that's not entirely terrible:
1
Q: What is the "single equation" in string theory that's an inch long?

user110164Michio Kaku, famous theoretical physicist claims to be one of the founders of string field theory and to have contributed a equation that's "no bigger than your thumb" that ties general relativity and quantum field theory together. What is this equation I keep hearing about and why is it important?

@DanielSank hello
05:10
yo
@0celo7 You want something?
@DanielSank no, I was just saying hi
@0celo7 hi
@DanielSank did you read my proof
@0celo7 Nope.
are you at work right now
05:18
@0celo7 Nope.
then please do
@0celo7 Dude, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Am I supposed to magically know where to find said proof?
uh-huh
second to last post I've made
On P.SE?
05:20
@DanielSank yes
He's like a Jeovahs Witness with his proof
knocking from mention to mention
@BernardMeurer I looked at @0celo7's penultimate Physics SE question. It's a bunch of stuff I don't understand.
@BernardMeurer did you read it
@DanielSank question or answer?
@0celo7 Question.
@DanielSank answer bruh, not the question
This randomly started playing while watching YouTube...
05:23
@0celo7 Dude I can't even understand my little pony right, let alone that sorcery of yours
@DanielSank I feel you there
@0celo7 Understanding that would take work on my end. A lot of work.
Not gunna do it. Sorry.
@DanielSank wth I tried to make it easy to read
@0celo7 ok
I will write an "easy to read" treatise on signal processing. Would that be easy for you to review?
@DanielSank so you're telling me it's hard to read?
@DanielSank probably
@0celo7 There's no objective scale, man.
This stuff isn't my bread and butter.
05:25
@DanielSank An easy to read paper on signal processing has been written, it's called the bible
the bible is pretty damn hard to read
I found it pretty okay
Didn't read it through though, too big
@BernardMeurer Huh?
@DanielSank I'm in a mood, pretend it's real funny
No, don't that'd make me confused
@BernardMeurer HA HA HA
HA
HAAAAAAA
05:30
@BernardMeurer Does "in a mood" mean "high"?
@DanielSank No, it's more like I'm laying on the floor
and the mobile chat just makes me more pissed
@BernardMeurer on... the... floor... ok.
@DanielSank It's the coldest place in the house right now
even the walls are warm
 
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07:20
guys, i still stumble when I have to do things like this $$\frac{d}{d E\beta}(\frac{1}{E\beta^2})$$
what should I be doing here
its not like I can treat the excess $\beta$ as a constant right
hi @JokelaTurbine
in paricular my problem is form $$ \frac{d}{E\beta}ln(\frac{\alpha sinh(\beta E \mu)}{E\beta^2 \mu}) $$
I really wish there was a nice book to read that covered those weird little math tricks you see all over the place in physics
 
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08:54
I voted you up, though I answered Yes my self for the same Key question. Your points are so valid here. And my CTC is not as it's expected. But energy movement is generally a closed loop. Then String, time travel; I can only agree with you. — JokelaTurbine 10 hours ago
Help
09:06
It's pretty good, I worked through the beginning today
The answers I see on this site never cease to amaze me physics.stackexchange.com/a/241134/10908
09:22
@innisfree a problem book of physicist's QFT sounds like no fun...a lot of mindless boring calculations
nevertheless, it may be useful (?)
You need to do the boring stuff, I'm afraid
Learning QFT is doing a lot of awful integrals
And doing all the operator shenanigans
Bah, I learned that in QFT there were boring integrals and stuff
but let that be an S.E.P.
(and then ended up doing my master thesis on boring integrals and algebraic computations...but in worldline QM)
;-þ
09:38
And GR is a lot of awful PDEs and integrals
I think I found a way to get lots of free points
1) Ask a question so complicated that nobody will be able to answer it
2) Put a bounty on it to get a lot of upvotes
3) Get the bounty points back
IT IS FOOLPROOF
<upvote>
10:18
Yay, I triggered the serial voting script by downvoting mindlessly copy-pasted answers.
You naughty boy
If I hadn't already suspected that, I would now be very confused why there's a bunch of "undownvoted" in my rep history
The feedback one gets is really not very clear; if I didn't know about the reversal script, I'd think it's some bug
@yuggib I skipped the most tedious looking questions, but did most of the first chapter on the Poincare group. A good refresher
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Q: Gossip in Physics

kevin Tah N.Given, $M_4 = \Sigma \times C$, How do you get an effective theory by studying maps $\Sigma \rightarrow M_4$ . Technically, the physics in one manifold is supposed to gossip about the overall affairs of people in the entire manifold at least up to a certain limit. To be direct I am...

No idea, but the question is seriously unclear
10:46
@ACuriousMind Whst is UV/IR mixing?
@ACM hey how goes it
good day all
hya
11:01
is it alright to ask about some book/resource recommendation here?
yep
great. i would like to know if there is any good basic physics textbook (college/university level), which does most of teaching through giving problems for the reader to solve, and then provide explanations through them and so
i hope you understand what i mean
yes I understand, but personally I don't know of a book using such an approach
i need a bit of a refresher or quick course through physics again. but i don't think i can now afford first reading a thick textbook on theory, and then do problem solving to properly master the material
alright
so essentially you need a problem book with extended solutions/explanations
however maybe someone else here may know and answer ;-)
11:06
yes that sounds ok. it doesn't need to be problems only, but still mainly focused on problems and teaching principles through solving them
i could ask a questoin on the SE, but i am very unsure if question would fit there
0
Q: Incosistent policy on "homework" questions

mhpRecently I asked a question on physics stack exchange. It was closed with a reference to faq guidelines. Here is the question that was closed: Maximum period of a vertically spinning ball. Please note that while this was not a "homework" question, I can understand that it is classified as a hom...

it seems that "Feynman's Tips on Physics: A Problem-Solving Supplement to the Feynman Lectures on Physics" may be roughly the type of text you are interested in
but I never read it so I don't know
it essentially contains exercises and solutions to the problems given by Feynman in his lectures
ok, that's something to start from, thank you for sharing
user116211
@yuggib: o/
user116211
11:16
Has anyone apart from ACM seen his plagiarised posts?
user116211
@user507974 (* ̄m ̄)
@user36790 howdy
user116211
@user507974: o/
what time is it your place anyways
user116211
@user507974 16:49
11:19
ok, so 13 hours ahead
oops
wait...
how is it 49?
@user36790 I've never heard of half time zones
user116211
@user507974 which country? wait.... you said it.
user116211
Indian Standard Time (IST) is the time observed throughout India and Sri Lanka, with a time offset of UTC+05:30. India does not observe daylight saving time (DST) or other seasonal adjustments. In military and aviation time IST is designated E* ("Echo-Star"). Indian Standard Time is calculated on the basis of 82.5° E longitude, in Shankargarh Fort, Mirzapur (25.15°N 82.58°E / 25.15; 82.58) (in Mirzapur district in the state of Uttar Pradesh) which is nearly on the corresponding longitude reference line. In the tz database, it is represented by Asia/Kolkata. == History == After independence in...
interesting
@user36790 howdy
i guess its actually 13 and half hours ahead
user116211
11:22
@user507974 you live in?
US doesnt do half time zones
user116211
US?
@user36790 plagiarism in SE seems quite absurd
@yuggib what do you guys mean by plaigarism
copying posts, pulling passages from other places and not citing?
user116211
11:23
@user507974 what is half-time zone?
@user507974 I assumed the meaning was the standard one
@user36790 by that i mean time zones that are offset in any increment less than 1 hr
no, I am meaning about plagiarism
user116211
@user507974: Enjoyed Super Tuesday?
@yuggib responded to the wrong one
user116211
11:25
@user507974 O.O
@user36790 eh...wasn't too surprised about it, kinda just waiting to hear stories about voting fraud
@user36790 there are those time zones in some parts of asia
@yuggib his time zone (IST) is one of those
user116211
@user507974 Trump... this man 7?!!
user116211
Will Republicans choose Trump their official candidate?
11:28
@user36790 he'd just have to pass the threshold i think to be formally accepted
either that or everyone else drops out
the only republican candidate i had any interest in dropped out a while back so i lost interest there
user116211
@user507974 who?
user116211
@user507974 who is voting him btw? KKK??
@user36790 Basically a lot of people who are fed up with the main government. He is telling some of the truth but misdirecting people. The US government kinda stopped caring about its people 50 years ago and thats why were in the mess we are in now.
So he tells them this and they go like "hes telling the truth" and follow him and his colorful personality
Basically he stole the entire gusto for a libertarian revolution in my opinion so I dont like him for that.
I've been paying more attention on the Democrat side lately
user116211
@user507974: Are you eligible for vote?
Basically Trump is made out to be this scary boogeyman but the truth is he wont really be able to do most of the things people are scared he'd do.
I'm more worried about Clinton, she's about as slimy a politician as the United States has ever produced, has no principles, and the only thing she's consistent about is corporatism
user116211
11:34
@user507974 He would build those mammoth walls! He is a racist!
@user36790 Yea
@user36790 The thing is he couldn't build it
user116211
@user507974 Even Atlantic Wall was impossible. Hitler did make it.
@user36790 He won't ever even approach the needed amount of support in congress to get that approved. Our government is slow like that.
user116211
@user507974 hmm... I'm not eligible till now in Ind ;/
user116211
@user507974 I thought only Indian Courts are slow ;/
11:36
@user36790 Presidential races are frankly the most meaningless part of the political voting here in my opinion
user116211
@user507974 who basically governs US?
@user36790 Some people would disagree with me when I say this but its the people who filled up the pockets of congressman and installed previous employees into federal offices.
Much of the management of regulatory agencies tends to be filled with people who worked for the companies they now "regulate"
And worse yet there is the looming disasters like the TPP soon we wont even be able to pretend that the US is rule of law.
subject to the rule of law*
11:53
@Slereah when there are quarks, there are jets, and when there are jets, there are hadrons
12:04
@Secret I don't care about QCD :p
$$\rimshot \rimshot (\Delta \Rimshot)$$
user116211
@Secret ooh! those red words!!
forgot how to tupe a telephoen operator
12:51
Some users...what is someone who doesn't know how conserved charges work in the Hamiltonian formulation doing reading about supergravity?
Most people on earth
@ACuriousMind That dude yesterday wanting to read papers on Ricci flow didn't know why Riemannian geometry should be important.
Or day before yesterday.
(And presumably didn't know any Riemannian geometry.)
@ACuriousMind Wait, how do conserved charges work in the Hamiltonian formalism
Then again we get people asking about string theory that don't know high school calculus
I've asked this before and got a non-answer
It's not clear at all how it works.
@0celo7 In this case, I mean that the conserved charge generates its associated symmetry just by taking the Poisson bracket with it (ignoring anomalies)
13:03
Oh right
He doesn't know that?
How could people talk about path integrals without knowing how a path integral could be defined... ;-P
Or better said, how could people prove QFT stuff using path integrals without knowing how path integrals could be defined
hey......why does annihilation take place?
@ACuriousMind
@Sidarth annihilation of what? the known civilization?
hmmm....no...
for now lets just take an electron and a positron...
@yuggib do you know the answer?
@yuggib That never stopped physicists
13:18
@Slereah should have
@Slereah atomic bomb?
@yuggib Never has :p
@Sidarth the fact that there is annihilation is an experimental evidence
Math history is full of gut feeling
@yuggib go on....
13:20
the usual justification is that in a (special) relativistic context, matter and energy are on the same ground
and you can produce energy at the expense of mass, and vice-versa
but "why" does annihilation occur???
what do you mean by why?
why does a star modify the geometry of space-time?
Yeah....something like that....
peeling onions
who knows, we know it does
and we have to take that into account with a satisfactory model
but we do not know why
is it already the last part of the onion?
13:24
who knows
Shrek
up to now, it is
so....we only can "describe" the process
but not answer to the "why" part?
as for essentially everything else
hmm.....but we do ask why untill we hit "this is a fundamental interaction which cannot be explained"
13:26
if you want you can give interpretations on the why, but either they are based on something falsifiable (and not yet observed) or they are not science
you might as well ask why a particle can radiate photons
A pair disintegrating is basically a rotated radiation
bear with me......1)why does an apple fall?
2) cuz earth attracts it
@Sidarth in my opinion, we mostly do ask "how can build a theory with predictive power that justify observations"
2)why?
3)cuz both are massive
4)so what?
^ this is just kids play
13:28
5)we dont know "why" massive objects attract each other
i could ask 3 whys b4 i could hit the fundamental "why"
i.e. the last why
@yuggib I really am sincere in questioning you
I know, but for me this way of reasoning is closer to a kids game than to scientific enquiry
(maybe it's just my opinion)
we can't know why nature "chose" its laws amongst all the possible logically coherent laws
@Sidarth Two options: Either the chain of reasons goes on infinitely, or it ends at a reason that doesn't have a reason itself - the answer to "Why?" is then "Just because". Since all human knowledge is preliminary, we can't ever determine in which of the two cases we are - everything can have a reason that we just haven't found yet.
we can only observe them and try to describe them in the best possible way that provides further insight
@ACuriousMind awesome dude
@ACuriousMind so is annihilation stuck as a "fundamental" why?
something which you cannot say more about the "why" part?
@Sidarth he just said that you could not possibly know
13:38
In this sense, we never answer the "Why?" question. We just shift the question one level deeper. The use of science is not that we find the answers to fundamental "Why?" questions. It's that we learn to describe and predict the world in powerful ways.
@yuggib yes.yes...
@ACuriousMind Im taking your two answers as quotes....
thanks...
An electron positron pair annihilates because in QED there are only two processes allowed with an input of $e^+ + e^-$
$e^+ + e^- \rightarrow e^+ + e^-$ and $e^+ + e^- \rightarrow \gamma + \gamma (+ however many gammas)$
Other processes would violate conservation laws
@yuggib huh?
13:54
@Slereah I can't find the "howevermanygammas" in the PDG ;)
It must be a particle only recently discovered
@ACuriousMind it is the sshiggsinoino
@ACuriousMind It's an unbound system of photons
@ACuriousMind Can one prove the existence of the osculating circle without actually constructing an equation for it? (Definition is the circle through three points on a curve in the limit where they're the same points)
@0celo7 : I downvoted it because it's a "lost in maths" issue wherein there isn't anything pointing inward or outward and you've been dismissing Einstein and the evidence. Don't worry about it, I got seven downvotes for saying you can't travel round a CTC.
@JohnDuffield But the answer has nothing to do with Einstein!
It's not a physics question!
You're downvoting a pure math question because you don't think it makes physical sense!
It's not a physics issue!
@ACuriousMind I'm confused by this paragraph. By generic, are they saying that any 3-form $\phi$ works?
@JohnDuffield If you vote to move the question to Math SE, I wouldn't hold it against you.
14:16
@Slereah : What guy?
@JohnDuffield Jokela Turbine
@0celo7 : Hmmn, I just took a look at his answer to Where does gravity get its energy from?: "There is no Gravity, and there is no Mass. It's all just photons. What we experience as Gravity is photons with frequency <1Hz". I don't think we have much in common.
@JohnDuffield Exactly
So you should have a debate
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Q: Does there exist a working law of gravity in 2D?

HohmannfanI am constructing a two dimensional world, but ran into a problem with one of the fundamental forces, gravity. I first tried to see what would happen if I just used the normal law of gravity, $\frac{m_1m_2}{r^2}$. As it turns out, it has a problem: Consider a person standing on an edge of a "pl...

@HDE226868 Does the average Worldbuilding user know that inverse square comes from the structure of 3D space?
@0celo7 : no thanks, I'd rather spend my time beating the woo out of you. And no, you can't exhume Einstein.
@JohnDuffield What woo lol
14:27
hey guys, i had a question on how to do a type of derivative, mind if i ask you what i should do, kinda a little short for a full question post
@ACuriousMind Do you have a good way for remembering $\Delta f$ in various coordinate systems?
and someone would no doubt say "google it, downvoted"
@user507974 ask it
how the heck did you do derivatives like this $$\frac{d}{d E\beta}(\frac{1}{E\beta^2})$$
what is $$\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}E\beta}$$
14:30
basically im finding ensemble averages for another variable $\mu$
its thermodynamic conjugate is $E\beta$
@user507974 easy way is to use substitution. Make up some variable to stand for the thing being differentiated against.
so it becomes $$\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x}\frac{1}{x^2}$$
@DavidZ That doesn't work because $E$ and $\beta$ don't have the same power
ohh, I misread it as $\frac{1}{(E\beta)^2}$
@0celo7 yea... thats been what is throwing me off
Well, that's still the easiest way to do it if there's only one "real" variable in the combination $E\beta$
14:33
technically the main problem i have $$\frac{d}{d E\beta}ln(\frac{\alpha}{E\beta^2})$$
but the same problem stands
@user507974 Use the chain rule: $\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}(E\beta)} = \frac{\partial \beta}{\partial E\beta}\frac{\partial}{\partial \beta} + \frac{\partial E}{\partial E\beta}\frac{\partial}{\partial E}$.
@0celo7 : stuff like this:
@JohnDuffield Lol
And $\frac{\partial \beta}{\partial E\beta} = \left(\frac{\partial E\beta}{\partial\beta}\right)^{-1}$
@JohnDuffield cut out the parallel universe if you don't like it
the question does not depend on it
@ACuriousMind you're a wizard, Bajoran
14:36
@ACuriousMind ah so $$\frac{dE\beta}{d \beta}=E $$ so you get $1/E$
@0celo7 : the trouble is you can't explain why I'm wrong.
great
thanks
any body to help on this one?
@Sidarth : I can answer the why part. It's easy.
@Sidarth : yes we do.
@ACuriousMind It looks like I wrote a proof over a year ago that shows the outward normal is the one you need
Huh
Crappy memory is crappy
14:51
@KartikWatwani TO a first approximation the area can be considered as constant across so thin a shell, or if that is not good enough you can integrate $$ R = \rho \int_{r_1}^{r_2} \frac{4}{3} \pi r^2 \,\mathrm{d}r \,.$$
The integral is, of course, just the usual $R = \rho L/A$ taken in very small pieces.
@0celo7 : the question doesn't depend on that parallel universe, but you accepted that whilst not understanding what clocks do. Which would have led you to appreciating that light goes slower when it's lower, and that at the event horizon, the speed of light is zero. But let's not rake that over again. Anyway, I have to go. Bye bye for now.
@JohnDuffield Huh?
What does that have to do with anything
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Q: Deriving $E_p=\tfrac{1}{2}FL$

JohnUsing Hooke's Law, we know that the force applied is proportional to the extension of the spring. Therefore by plotting a graph of force against extension, through the area under the curve we are able to calculate the elastic potential energy stored in the spring, i.e. the work done. As there is...


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