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22:02
@ACuriousMind OK, I've managed to prove $\phi(JE_i)=M_i{}^j\phi(E_j)$ for some $M\in\operatorname{End}\mathbb{C}^n$.
22:13
@knzhou: Damn you and your valid questions that send me digging through various horrible scattering computations! ;)
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big news. any aaronson fans here? hes moving to U austin texas to start qm computing lab! surprised! wonder what the bkg of that was!
@ACuriousMind Three hours, two and half pages, and I've gotten nowhere. What the hell is the trick?
I've tried everything fro expanding $v$, expanding $Jv$, expanding $\phi(Jv)$, my latest thing was to take $\phi(JE_i)$ as a basis of $\mathbb{C}^n$
none of it gets me anything
all I've managed to prove thus far is that both $\phi(JE_i)$ and $\phi(E_i)$ are bases of $\mathbb{C}^n$.
I don't know enough linear algebra to find the eigenvalues of $M$.
@0celo7 On $(V,J)$, define $(a+b\mathrm{i})v = av + bJv\forall a,b\in\mathbb{R}\forall v\in V$. This turns $V$ into a true complex vector space. Now the claim you want to prove reduces to the statement that all $\mathbb{K}$-vector spaces are linearly isomorphic to $\mathbb{K}^n$ for some $n$.
22:31
@ACuriousMind Can I take that isomorphism (which we've proved some time ago exists) to be complex linear?
@0celo7 An isomorphism of $\mathbb{K}$-vector spaces is by definition $\mathbb{K}$-linear.
@ACuriousMind So we're not complexifying $V$?
Or are we
@0celo7 No. I just wrote down how to define $\mathbb{C}$-multiplication on $V$ itself.
@ACuriousMind Ok, I still don't see it then. We know that there is some $\tilde\phi:V\to\mathbb{R}^n$ so that $V\cong\mathbb{R}^n$.
But this is not complex linear.
@0celo7 I don't care about that map
I wrote down how to multply an element of $V$ with a complex number, this means $V$ is a $\mathbb{C}$-vector space. Now, every $\mathbb{C}$-vector space has a complex linear isomorphism to $\mathbb{C}^m$ for some $m$.
22:36
@ACuriousMind Ok, so how is that any different from the statement $V\otimes_\mathbb{R}\mathbb{C}\cong\mathbb{C}^n$?
Replied to the wrong message^
@0celo7 I didn't take the tensor product. The r.h.s is still just in $V$.
Oh, the two spaces are different. The vectors in yours are of the form $(a+b\mathrm{i})v$, and in the other they're $av+b\mathrm{i}w$?
Uh...I'm not sure what you mean by that. $V\neq V\otimes_\mathbb{R}\mathbb{C}$ just because the real dimensions don't match (the complexification has double the real dimension).
@ACuriousMind I mean that $V\neq V\oplus\mathrm{i}V$
@ACuriousMind Alright, but how does the desired equation actually follow? Is it because $\phi$ is $\mathbb{C}$-linear by definition, so $\phi(Jv)=\phi(\mathrm{i}v)=\mathrm{i}\phi(v)$?
@0celo7 Exactly
22:44
@ACuriousMind Well this was way easier than what I was trying.
Thanks.
I kinda feel like it's cheating.
Turning $V$ into a complex vector space.
@ACuriousMind Is there a proof without that?
I don't know, but I don't feel like that's cheating
It's just using what $J$ is "meant" to be, namely multplication by $\mathrm{i}$.
@ACuriousMind I...guess.
It's about as satisfying as "$C^0$ functions need not be $C^1$ because of $|x|$"
@ACuriousMind Can one prove that $\lim_{x\to0}\sin 1/x$ does not exist via $\epsilon-\delta$? In class we constructed two sequences and found a contradiction.
Lol, wrong thing.
@0celo7 ಠ_ಠ
Nice edit.
@DanielSank What
Those eyes don't mean what you think they mean
you use them inappropriately
@0celo7 You should be able to obtain the $\epsilon$-$\delta$ proof from the sequences.
22:59
@ACuriousMind Ok, we haven't actually proved the sequences thing yet.
Well, that's not my problem
Maybe it will be clear after that...or even a homework problem.
@ACuriousMind Never said it was.
23:20
@ChrisWhite It might be a time to swing by our post doc in the math department who does Lorentzian geometry.
I'm convinced it's just the ordering of the wedges
@ACuriousMind This is why coordinates are evil, isn't it
I love how Winthrop refers to bible verses as we do theorems and lemmata.

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