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20:09
What, fucking promqueens?
Good one.
*that kind of hardcore
20:21
@Danu "still don't know how git works" Very nearly nobody does.
My sister works for them. Wonder if she'd find this amusing.
@Danu One thing you can do to "use" fewer package is use a class that either replaces them or includes them itself. For instance memoir for large documents or revtex4-1 for dense technical document.
@dmckee But I really don't know anything about it :P
@dmckee What's revtex4-1 do?
It's the class supplied by Physical Review. It specifies a nice, dense, two-column format with a wide equation facility.
The thing is that I just want a lot of special looking characters, and combine both mathematical things and physics (so I need things like braket and siunitx and slashed but also tikz-cd for commutative diagrams, extarrows for special arrows etc)
@dmckee two-column is a no-go for me :P
20:26
Matter of taste I suppose, but I like it. Having the wide equation facility is mandatory, of course.
an instance of a package that I'm not really happy with but don't see how to avoid is dsfont for a nice-looking unit matrix symbol (the \mathbb-style 1)
It seems overkill to load a package just for that, but meh, I want a nice-looking unit matrix!
@dmckee Is the coefficient of restitution a property of the material, i.e. a constant?
Might be a silly question
@0celo7 If you have a thick, solid slab of the stuff it's probably close enough, but in general I wouldn't think so.
For the purposes of sophomore physics, you're probably intended to assume so unless the geometry of the object is explicitly described.
I would think an energetic enough collision could deform the material in a different way than a light "bounce" or whatever.
Yeah, there should a speed limitation as well as a geometry expectation for the approximation to hold.
20:38
At what exact reputation level does a user get to handle flags? Already at 10k? Or is it 20k?
@dmckee In this problem I'm dropping a ball from a meter and a half. I was thinking more of a potato cannon or something :)
@0celo7 Again, I'm guessing they expect you to treat it as a constant for the purposes of the problem. A lot of intro physics makes these kinds of simplifying assumptions.
Yeah
You'll be asked to consider more general cases in upper-division mechanics.
@Qmechanic On the site? Never. In chat, I believe it's 10k.
20:41
It's not clear to me which privilege we're talking about.
@HDE226868 Well, some flagged posts show up in the review queues and can be handled by the collective action of non-mods.
Don't they?
@dmckee : This flag. The mod timeline yields the following info: yesterday flag AnswerNotAnAnswer user36790 not an answer yesterday cleared Community♦ Disputed.
@Qmechanic that would have shown up in the 10k tools close votes: physics.stackexchange.com/review/close/63553
Strange how many basic things we don't know, no?
@dmckee No, this is about the "not an answer" flag on the answer, not the close flag on the question
But they keep tweaking and fine-tuning and everything I understood becomes uncertain after a while.
@dmckee Some do, yeah.
20:45
@ACuriousMind Ah, so this "low quality" review: physics.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/104087
Lol I just did @person in a group text :D
I've spent too much time here
@0celo7 I sometime start typing markdown styling in my LaTeX documents...
@dmckee Yep. @Qmechanic: Access to the low quality queue and thus the handling of not an answer and very low quality flag is granted at 2000 rep
@dmckee Hmm?
@ACuriousMind BTW, I found those by getting the moderator timeline for the posts.
20:47
I use TeX code in my texts to people in my math classes
They just have to deal with it if they want help
@dmckee Well, that is more convenient than crawling though the queue histories, which is what we normal users have to do to access specific review items.
@ACuriousMind I'd have to want it really bad to go to that much trouble.
I do it only when I stumble across some post I voted to close but that is still open to find out whether people thought differently or the review just hasn't been completed.
@ACuriousMind I'll be in K town from the 21st to the 23rd of December.
You going home during that time?
@0celo7 Yes, but I don't know yet exactly when
20:52
:(
I was gonna cut your hair
That's not weird, is it?
that depends on your definition of "weird" :P
::gets out dictionary:: Says "Sam Lereah."
It also says "see high as fuck".
Hm. I think I'm asking a different question.
Springer Link is still broken
Springer tech support was like "dunno, we need a screenshot"
Haven't heard back
@ACuriousMind : Let me ask a different question: Can you as a 25k+ user handle flags on answers?
21:01
@Qmechanic Only by going into the review queue. We users cannot "handle" them in the way moderator do, and we cannot see pending flags on the posts themselves at all
@ACuriousMind : Right, thanks. In hindsight, I was confused how the mod timeline info should be interpreted and the role of the Community diamond.
Space in your face!
^ Shameless advertisement for astrophysics themed science series featuring my fiance.
@DanielSank Anna?
Paul's nice too if that's who it is.
@ACuriousMind What's the problem with "topological quantum numbers" again?
@0celo7 ?
@ACuriousMind Let me find the quote
Hmm, can't find it
You said something like "physicists don't know what topology is"
and they call random things topological
21:16
Yeah, the "topology" in topological quantum numbers tends to be on the level of the group theory when talking about group representations :P
Example?
Is the second Chern class a TQN?
You could call it that, but oddly enough it is not consistently called that
Some mention it is a "topological quantum number" some just call it the instanton number
::shudder::
@ACuriousMind What are some others?
Google it, I've no list of them memorized, and most of them occur in condensed matter systems I don't know that much about
Is TQFT not filled with them?
21:25
In TQFT the concept doesn't make much sense because everything is topologically invariant.
Also, I don't know much about TQFT, either
Jul 22 at 22:28, by ACuriousMind
I'll also try to get a better picture of what one actually does in TQFT.
Why do some papers have really wide margins?
@ACuriousMind Is "category theory GR" a thing?
@0celo7 There is a categorial approach to geometry and in particular diffgeo called synthetic differential geometry.
21:45
@ACuriousMind Is "synthetic GR" a thing?
Or is this something I should keep in mind for a thesis one day?
@0celo7 I don't know what that means.
GR formulated using synthetic diffgeo.
@0celo7 I don't think that is a well-defined thing to ask for. GR is a physical theory that uses differential geometry. Whether you take the classic approach to defining all the diffgeo objects or the synthetic approach does not make one bit of difference.
@ACuriousMind Who cares if it makes a difference!
It would be cool!
@ACuriousMind I don't understand what you mean by "I don't think that is a well-defined thing to ask for"
Maybe that has to do with me not knowing a thing about category theory
@0celo7 Well, I mean, there's nothing specific to GR that you would have to do. You do synthetic differential geometry and at the end you have a model of classical differential geometry in it, which you then use to do GR. But, "doing GR" is precisely the same as "doing diffgeo".
21:53
> there's nothing specific to GR that you would have to do
I see what you're saying.
In a very specific sense, whether you do classical or synthetical differential geometry is "just" the difference between using the limit definition of a derivative or using infinitesimals.
That "just" is...not a just, but after you've constructed all the diffgeo objects, the physical theory GR doesn't really care if you used the classic or the synthetic approach
So there's no results that could be gleamed from category GR?
@ACuriousMind Formally writing down the Galilean isomorphism proof. Is it by definition that $\dim\ker t=3$?
@0celo7 I think you're "too restrictive" to say "GR". The strength of categorial approaches lies precisely in not focusing on a specific application, but in revealing general principles. Once you specialize to a specific application, it is often not worthwhile to pursue the categorial viewpoint further.
@0celo7 Seriously, how the hell am I supposed to remember what $t$ or its kernel is? :P
@ACuriousMind Ok, that's my categorical ignorance
@ACuriousMind That proof took like 3 hours lol
I figured it would be ingrained!
$t$ acts on the displacements and gives the time separation
Oh, it's a map $\mathbb{R}^4\to\mathbb{R}$.
22:02
rank nullity?
You're writing the proof down, not me :P
Rank-nullity.
Better?
I seen in a string theory book them map a tree diagram, showing 4-point scattering (i.e. a big X), to a 4-punctured sphere as representing it's conformal equivalent, and at each puncture they insert a 'vertex operator' to somehow translate the incoming/outgoing information from the X to the sphere, is that the whole point of a vertex operator in CFT & ST?
@bolbteppa Yes, by the operator-state correspondence, the inserted vertex operator corresponds to a state in the CFT, and hence inserting it (togehter with other operators) into the partition function gives the transition amplitude between it and the states represented by the other operators
22:12
Oct 9 at 14:42, by 0celo7
so $g_{ij}v^i w^j=\delta_{ij}\phi^i{}_k\phi^j{}_lv^kw^l$
lel
Oct 9 at 14:45, by ACuriousMind
WTF is a vielbein?
It's a more general version of an einbein
Do you hit your head often?
Interesting, he calls the vertex operator a wave function, I vaguely remember in Senechal he exponentiated something and then calls it a vertex operator because of a singularity, looking at it now I'm guessing they even bother to define it because it's useful as the operator $e^{ipX}$ since locally acts like $1 + pX$ for some reason?
@Slereah Did the einbein historically come before or after the vielbein?
I guess the first one was the dreibein
22:18
@ACuriousMind Each spatial slice is isomorphic by rank-nullity and "all vector spaces of dimension 3 are isomorphic", right?
>isorphic
@bolbteppa imo, t's just the simplest operator with conformal weight 1 you can write down, and the physical string states are precisely those with unit conformal weight.
I refuse to believe that's a word
I managed to ask what I now think is a bad question, but no close reason applies. physics.stackexchange.com/questions/216031/…
I'll accept isomorphic, homomorphic, homeomorphic, diffeomorphic and symplectomorphic
But isorphic takes it too far
22:19
@ACuriousMind thanks, I'll give thinking that way a shot
What about just morphic
What about Juligermorphic
This teichmuller stuff is quite terrifying
All perverse sheaves are Juligermorphic
phic
I don't have a pic of Juliger's sheave you weirdo
22:27
So anyway
After checking particle paths become indeed spacelike in the Pauli Fierz formalism
At least for one type of CTC
Gotta check more things tho
@ACuriousMind I'm impressed you were patient enough to sit through that proof!
I'm having a hard time reading over the discussion!
@ACuriousMind why is the projection $\pi:\mathbb{R}^4\to\ker t$ linear?
@Slereah What was the goal again?
@0celo7 How is it defined?
Oct 9 at 19:43, by ACuriousMind
Since $t : \mathbb{R}^4 \to \mathbb{R}$ is a map between vector spaces, we have a projection $\pi : \mathbb{R}^4 \to \ker(t)$ (by rank-nullity, essentially)
just wanted to see how exactly causality violations occur in Pauli Fierz theory even though it's in flat spacetime
Ah, yes
I remember that discussion now
@0celo7 Well, I stated it as a fact, I did not define it.
22:36
Oct 9 at 19:44, by ACuriousMind
And this now is an affine map since $t,\psi_0,\pi$ are all linear.
I need to show it's linear, I never bothered doing this.
@ACuriousMind Dr. Denzler reminds me of Tolfdir. That just occured to me.
@ACuriousMind hmm, what does $\pi$ do, picture wise?
@0celo7 Well, it's called a projection ;)
@ACuriousMind just work in $\mathbb{R}\times\mathbb{R}$
Or maybe YOU'RE projecting
good one
@ACuriousMind yeah, what's the projection
projection onto the...spatial slice at $t=0$?
here $t$ is the time coord in $\mathbb{R}^4$
well, this is just the standard vector space projection
ah, this makes sense now
23:07
What is the experimental physics component here?
Regardless of whether or not the standards are based on physics, I'm trying to understand DanielSank's point.
@HDE226868 It has to do with the types of signals that can be transmitted in certain wires, more generally than just TV.
@HDE226868 Right now I think it's an engineering question, but if he asked the broader physics question it would be "too broad", I think.
@Slereah What does "which I suppose will derive something of the form" mean?
It means that he bloody meanders a lot instead of writing it in the end
He literally starts his paper with an obviously wrong action and that bothers me D:
23:24
ask on PO
I could import it I suppose
I'll wait and see if there's an answer here first
PO probably has more qualified people to answer
probably but then again those people are usually also here
no according to John all of the qualified people are fleeing this site
Is John on PO
I would be intrigued to see him interact with PO people
23:28
@0celo7 That makes sense. I didn't know how specific its applications were.
@0celo7 Can't you just give the guy a rest? He's done nothing lately to provoke you and talking about someone in their absence is bad form either way.
@Slereah one day we should compile a list of GR textbooks
Should we
yes
Can't you just type "general relativity" on amazon
23:29
then we start buying them
one a year
and when one of us dies the other inherits everything
I hope there aren't more than 70
and then has the largest private collection
sets a world record
@ACuriousMind wanna join in?
Have I been known for being particularly interested in GR? :P
Have I been known for buying textbooks? :P
@ACuriousMind Why, yes!
@ACuriousMind Why, yes!
I didn't know you were this delusional
23:32
What kind of crazy person doesn't like GR
I want the most mathematically advanced GR book.
The most.
I do not actively dislike it. I just find most of it not particularly interesting
@Slereah what is the most mathematical one
The mathiest one I own is HE
But there's probably way mathier ones
Can't think of any that is mathy but still about GR
Otherwise there's diff. geometry textbooks
General Relativity for Mathematicians isn't even that mathy
They just use strange notation
I wonder if there's any that doesn't use index notation
23:35
I want a book that has "vector bundle" on the first page.
@Slereah Straumann goes index free for chunks of the book
The first line should be "Consider a hausdorff second countable connected manifold equipped with a (1,n-1) signature section of the symmetric (0,2) tensor bundle"
Uh don't you need paracompact in there, too?
@Slereah The latter part is just a silly way of saying that you are performing a reduction $\mathrm{GL}(n)\to\mathrm{SO}(1,n-1)$ for the structure group of the frame bundle ;)
Has anyone done GR in the presence of Yang-Mills fields?
@ACuriousMind indeed
@0celo7 That's called Einstein-Yang-Mills theory.
23:38
I actually understood that
@ACuriousMind You're an expert?
@ACuriousMind I suppose :p
@0celo7 No
Just know what it's called :P
WAIT
YOU ARE WRONG
Hmm, what about Einstein-Yang-Mills + torsion + other stuff
Why are you assuming that it is $SO$
Not all manifolds support such a reduction!
@0celo7 : Well how much stuff do you want :p
Probably
Resource rec?
I need to start gathering thesis ideas
Einstein-Yang-Mill-Dirac-Schrodinger-Heisenberg-Newton-Leibniz-Navier-Stokes-Kep‌​ler equation
I only have 3 years to figure out what I want to write
Thesis of what
23:42
Witten-Seiberg
Engineering?
Math
for fucks sake I'm a double major
Maybe try to find the highest number
my engineering thesis is going to neutron scattering or plasma or something
@Slereah I'm pretty sure that if the reduction isn't possible, choosing a metric with the corresponding signature is not possible either.
23:43
@Slereah $\lim_{n\to\infty}n^{n^{n^{...}}}$ $n$ exponents
@ACuriousMind Not if it's not orientable!
You can totally have spacetimes without an $SO(3,1)$ frame bundle
example?
Well any non-orientable spacetime, I suppose
I wonder to what extend a math department would accept a GR paper disguised as a geometry paper
Just Minkowski space with the Klein bottle topology
Would be fine
23:46
what about ergodic theory in GR on a Lorentian manifold obeying $G=T$
@Slereah Ah. Very well, we have to say $\mathrm{O}(1,n-1)$
Better :p
pls explain why that's not possible
I don't have the holy HE handy
Are you worried about the Poincaré recurrence thing
I think the cosmological expansion renders it a bit moot
@0celo7 What "that"? The SO-frame bundle for a non-orientable manifold?
23:49
yes
why can't you have SO
@0celo7 What do elements of the fibers of the SO-frame bundle represent?
Collection of basis vectors
Yes, what kind of basis?
Which transform under the action of SO
orthonormal
Yes, what kind of orthonormal basis? ;)
23:50
special
don't make me say "oriented"
because that's my question
Okay, but what does "special" mean?
I.e. how do the SO-bases differ from the O-bases
that's my question!
The determinant is 1 :p
Okay, what is the difference between O and SO?
det 1
dude I know this
23:52
Not in terms of the determinant, which transformation is in O but not in SO?
reflection
ah!
don't hit me!
And what does reflection do to the "handedness" or "orientation" of a basis?
dunno
23:53
(it reverses it)
no shit
WELL YOU SAID YOU DID NOT KNOW
lol
I figured it out as soon as I asked
I wanted to confirm
So, you see that the bases in an O-bundle are allowed to have any orientation they want.
yes, because the O group can switch it
but in SO we only have rotations
that's elementary
23:56
Exactly, so SO preserves orientation, and the bases that occur in the SO-frame bundle all have the same orientation
ok ok
I got it
The same argument applies with time orientation and non-time orientable spacetimes too
what were we talking about?
GR books
you know, we never did figure out Prop 8.1 in Wald
23:57
Did we not
What is it
Oh wait
The time orientation thing
Well the full proof is in Steenrod
But it's a mathy proof
Speaking of which, where did FenderLesPaul vanish to?
No clue!
He hasn't signed onto Skype
or anything
let's check when he was last seen
seen 1 hour ago
Haven't seen Jim here in a while either.
Let alone Kyle
Why are people deserting us? :/
@0celo7 Yeah, probably your fault ;P
23:59
you hate me ;_;

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