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There is, therefore, a fixed probability per unit time of the system experiencing the effect of one of the decay operators. You can think of the Lindblad equation as averaging over many processes with this constant per-unit-time probability of collapse. When you average over that kind of process you always get exponential decay.
It's worth your time to prove that to yourself.
Hello, @JohnDuffield.
Hi @DanielSank. Nice to see a physics conversation here.
@DanielSank so I always use the annhilation operator for decay?
@TanMath Only to model energy decay.
@TanMath Only energy decay.
@JohnDuffield Yes, this is a physics chat room.
@JohnDuffield so are you saying that most convo's here are not physics?!
We also specialize in semantics, a bit of politics, gossip, some fanning the flames of site drama, and a relatively large portion of making fun of @Danu.
@TanMath Let's not get in that, please.
07:06
@DanielSank why @Danu ?
@DanielSank ok..
@TanMath Because I like teasing @Danu. That's all.
@TanMath : there's been a lot of chat about game playing. Obviously one wouldn't expect this chatroom to be 100% physics, but sometimes it's been like 0% physics.
@JohnDuffield Yes. I would point out that last time I asked politely that the gaming conversation move to a private room the participants of that conversation did so almost immediately with no problems.
ok.. I am sorry that i started it, but can we get back on track?
@TanMath Yes.
Now suppose I know that my two level system is coupled to a bath of harmonic oscillators.
Suppose I know the form of the coupling Hamiltonian:
$H_\text{coupling} = S^\dagger B + S B^\dagger$
where $S$ is an operator on my TLS and $B$ is an operator on the bath.
07:11
ok..
This is a rather common form in nature because it arises from anything where you have an energy which goes as the square of the difference of two canonical operators.
For example, if my system is a harmonic oscillator and it couples to other oscillators via a spring force, my coupling energy is $(x - x_\text{bath})^2$.
Here $x$ is the position of my system and $x_\text{bath}$ is the position of a mode of the environment.
Are you with me?
yes..
@DanielSank what happened?
Ok well in this case suppose that $B = \sum_k g_k a_k$ where $a_k$ is an annihilation operator of the $k$th mode of the bath.
@Jimself : re your carping, I'm not wrong about the speed of light. Nor was Einstein. Nor is Shapiro or Koks or Wright. Instead you are. Now try to understand it instead of clinging to popscience version of relativity. If need be ask a question and I'll answer it with robust references to Einstein and the evidence and to other authors and papers.
In this case, if you go through a bit of math, you find that the collapse operator is $S$.
@TanMath I may have made a mistake in something I said above, but the basic idea is right.
07:16
@DanielSank : good stuff re the move to a private room. Sorry to intrude, carry on.
@JohnDuffield Yes, making good suggestions politely works really well.
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@JohnDuffield why? this is physics?
@TanMath Where are you from?
I think you may misunderstand what @JohnDuffield said.
@DanielSank west coast, why? you are to..arent you?
@TanMath Yes.
I just thought you might have misunderstood what @JohnDuffield said and I wondered if you might not be a native English speaker. Just checking :-)
07:21
@DanielSank so this would work for most lindblad eqautions?
@TanMath We need to be careful here.
A "Lindblad" equation is an equation which models a system which is connected to an environment.
The Lindblad equation does not say anything about the internal structure of that environment.
It only contains a representation of how the environment affects the system under consideration.
Instead of the statement you just made, I'd say that many system-environment pairs are such that if you were to model the system with a Lindblad equation, you could find the collapse operators by the method I wrote there.
ugh, does that make any sense?
I did not explain this well. I apologize.
Huy
Huy
08:03
Can anyone explain why the pure tensors can be thought of as a cone? It's mentioned in my online lecture notes but exactly from a lecture I wasn't at, so I don't know what they mean.
08:27
hello
09:05
@0celo7 Well, I'll be going to the UK and my parents will be in a different country, so I need my passport to get there, and whenever I want to travel outside. There's also a bunch of legal stuff I have to sort out which can only be done within the UK, hence the need for other documentation. I guess since you're staying in the US, this isn't a problem for you.
09:35
@DanielSank No, I do like Python, that's what I use in prototyping. It's just that it wasn't really designed with mathematics in mind, like Matlab or Julia, and your comments about Matlab being bad ("hurting yourself with [it]") were not really fair especially considering that the competition is still currently behind. That said, Matlab is not open which is the main reason I dropped it (but I dropped Windows for the same reason, so I'm a bit more uptight about this than most).
@Huy sounds like BS to me
@ACuriousMind I'll be back
@FenderLesPaul Oh come on now
also hi guys
This iPad is giving me a lot of grief :(
Hi pals
@Danu hello
@skullpatrol :(
I keep getting the message "the activation server cannot be reached" yet my iPhone connects perfectly
I keep running into this "captive.apple.com" screen that doesn't allow me to connect to the internet
These kinda problems make me question the reliability of technology
/rant
10:17
@Huy you can view it as a collection of rays I guess
Eureka! Rebooting the modem worked.
In some larger space
Minus 4 hours of my life :(
That I could have been doing...
...something much more productive.
like video games
10:41
@Slereah I know how to do induce connections in the case of vector bundles
the case of principal bundles should be similar
@TanMath He's just saying that because he's trying to get out of his natural role of bullying victim, right @DanielSank? :)
How then :O
@Slereah characterize by product rule
(or chain rule in the case of pullback bundles)
@ACuriousMind So true
Currently not online much because I've got stuff to do here in Amsterdam (maybe @DanielSank will know what I'm up to...)
11:00
@0celo7 but video games don't test your faith in technology :P
Unless they make your system crash.
^main reason I don't play them
too much
Huy
Huy
11:17
@Danu: Can you elaborate?
I kinda want to make a video game one day
I vaguely tried at some point but didn't go far
I just made a basic tile system and some controls
:( no Einstein
Huy
Huy
:(
No dog
That's less :( but still sad
11:33
@0celo7 Yeah, forgot you're staying in the US - as I'm going to the UK I need passport, etc.
11:45
@JamalS I understand the passport, but AFAIK I've never needed my birth certificate and I'm certainly not going to take it and risk it being stolen or lost.
12:44
Car is loaded
12:59
@alarge Matlab has competition? ;)
13:13
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Q: The universe is in a long, slow decline to darkness - What can we do about it?

chasly from UKThe universe is in a long, slow decline to darkness Sorry folks but it's true, read the article! My question Using either your imagination and soft-science or actual hard-science, can you suggest ways that the human race and/or other sentient life-forms stops this eventual decline. Specifical...

At least the top answer is actually science-based...
 
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...aaaaand out of close votes. The last days have been busy again.
already?
15:23
Perhaps you should consider having a second account that would double your close voting capacity.
@skillpatrol I don't think that is an okay thing to have
I mean, double account are only allowed as long as they don't interact, and I don't use their votes to "boost" my weight, i.e. doubly vote on the same things. Using a second account to circumvent the close vote limit seems quite the same to me, as it is obviously intended that no non-mod should have more than 24 close votes a day.
then limit yourself to one per hour
That doesn't make any sense - if I think a question should be closed and I have votes left, why should I wait to cast them? (There even is a meta.SE post discussing this, it says vote to close as soon as you can - you can always retract if the question is improved)
Oh, I didn't know that. My apologies.
How many do mods get?
@Danu what did I do? :(
15:33
@skillpatrol AFAIK, they have unlimited votes, but those are binding, and they are encouraged to only use them in clear-cut cases or when it is evident that the community review can't keep up with the amount of closeworthy questions.
mod=god
15:46
@FenderLesPaul you dissed a book he loves
Weinberg G&C?
@FenderLesPaul Caroll
@ACuriousMind Interestingly, Zee explains the connection between the Lorentz group, SO(3), SU(2), SL(2,C), S^3, S^3/Z_2 very well.
That's the only thing he explains well as far as I'm concerned.
@ACuriousMind ah
@Danu sorry broski!
@Danu I haven't the slightest idea.
@Danu Wut?
15:52
My thought was smoking pot because CA
@0celo7 what kind of reasoning is that?
16:06
@skillpatrol the correct one
Do you have a better idea?
@0celo7 what is "CA"?
...California. Even I know that.
@0celo7 So you're going to smoke pot because of a state?
Well, Danu is obviously smoking pot because he is Dutch :P
Danu is a grad student.
You 0celo7 still have to make it through the "weeding out" stage of uni.
remember that
enough said
16:15
@skillpatrol: You have to work on your reading skill: 0celo7 was trying to provide a reason why Danu might've though DanielSank knows something about what Danu does in Amsterdam - and came up with the link that weed is available at both places. That's all that has happened here.
At @0celo7's stage in life he has to start carefully thinking about what it means to be on his own; and there is going to be temptation out there to do stuff that he hasn't done before.
That's all that has happened here :P
16:40
But you're right @ACuriousMind I'm far too slow of a reader and typist for this chat room scene.
 
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17:42
Who's pumped for black ops 3? Woo
::crickets::
@ACuriousMind the other day I said all Hermitian matrices are invertible, why did you not call me an idiot for that
@ACuriousMind sad face
What if I said that in linear algebra class
@0celo7 idiot
17:52
@0celo7 Did you?
Well, I can't catch every single one of your errors ;)
Huy
Huy
Why would all of them be invertible?
ö.ö
@Huy I googled it
Huy
Huy
???
????
??????
Then I realized they can have 0 eigenvalues
Huy
Huy
0 matrix
???
Also 0 is a Hermitian matrix
Huy
Huy
!!!
Huy
Huy
17:56
also Riemannian geometry is a lot harder than I thought
!!!
Your mom is a lot harder than I thought
Huy
Huy
that's not a nice thing to say
Your face is not nice
Huy
Huy
took you quite a while to come up with that one
@FenderLesPaul jerk, only ACM can call me an idiot
18:00
Second middle-school rant this week.....
What
@Danu really? ;)
@DanielSank yeah, I think I know what you mean.. so basically your method works well for most types of open quantum systems...correct?
@0celo7 but I thought we were speshul
what's a good latex compatible software for drawing diagrams?
Path integral diagrams in particular for my purposes
18:16
@FenderLesPaul I like Inkscape
@ACuriousMind Inkscape is LaTeX compatible?
In the sense that the images it produces are nicely embeddable into LaTeX documents, yes. It also has an export to LaTeX feature, iirc.
@ACuriousMind sweet thanks
I also asked my professor and he reccomended the same program haha
obe
obe
18:42
@FenderLesPaul I read Hartle, I sort of agree with you.
I'm reading both carroll and hartle now.
@obe yay...but remind me what you agree with because I can't recall exactly haha
obe
obe
That requires work to find the message.
eh it's cool
I'll take whatever agreement I can get :p
obe
obe
something like that.
Hartle is better for the physics part of GR
oh yeah
I still stand by that
yeah if you use Carroll and Hartle together you should be golden
good luck!
obe
obe
18:45
+ wald.
that too :)
obe
obe
Though this means I won't be done with GR until like december.
it's good to take it slow
if you really want to understand everything properly anyways
Huy
Huy
Indeed.
That's why I don't understand anything.
That's why I'm reading Weinberg again and this time stuff makes sense
18:51
We should do Weinberg skype
because I really want to understand that book better
We still need to do 8.1.1 Skype
We should rope ACM in on that
He has some interesting ideas along the lines of "GR has stupid definitions, there's a much better way of doing everything"
@0eclo7 yeah we need to Skype 8.1.1. too
@TerryBollinger hello
@TerryBollinger Hi! How are you?
18:54
Alive. Just got out of icu 2days ago.
Too much physics?
@ACuriousMind if you have Weinberg take a look at the first equation on page 117...pure glory
Gotta love 6 line equations
19:13
Hospital Wi-Fi — why are they always impossible to get working?
I collapsed from a myasthenia gravis crisis shortly after the h-bar two weeks ago. Will catch up with all of you later.
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@TerryBollinger Hope you get better! :)
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@TerryBollinger Here's some light reading for the hospital in case you need it
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@ACuriousMind Hi last time you could help me a lot, may I ask something again?
@DominicMichaelis Of course, ask away
I did read more often, that one can not measure the angular momentum exactly in 2 different directions, but can exactly measure the angular momentum in one direction an the absolute value of the angular momentum (or the square)
@DominicMichaelis Yes, because the square of the total angular momentum commutes with all three directional momenta
yeah but the square is totally not linear, so how shall I unterstand it in the notion of operators?
@DominicMichaelis What do you mean with "not linear"? It is a sum of a product of linear operators, and thus still a linear operator (the sum of a product of matrices is just a matrix).
20:12
@ACuriousMind if I have some function and meaure the square of the total angular momentum, and takes the function times 2, the square of the total angular momentum should be taken by 2^2
Just...no ;)
The states of quantum mechanics are rays in Hilbert spaces. This means that multplying a state (whether it is represented by a function or something else) with any complex number does nothing
So if you multiply a state by 2, the angular momentum of the state stays the same.
@ACuriousMind the square of the angular momentum is never negative, but every linear function which takes a positive value, must take negative values either?
@DominicMichaelis I don't understand what you say. Yes, the squared operator never has negative eigenvalues, it is positive-definite. But it is an operator, a matrix, it doesn't "take values".
@ACuriousMind I try to rephrase it, if the map $f mapsto L(f)$ is linear, how shall the mapping $f\mapsto L^2(f)$ be linear either?
@DominicMichaelis Because $L^2(f)$ is just the composition of applying $L$ twice $f\mapsto L(f) \mapsto L(L(f))$, and the composition of two linear functions is linear! (It's linear algebra: The product of two matrices is a matrix, and all matrices represent linear functions on the space)
20:21
@ACuriousMind oh it is the Composition i thought it would be the pointwise product !
because I thought the norm of the angular momentum would be like the euclidean norm the root of the sum of the squares
It can't be the pointwise product because a general Hilbert space has no notion of such a thing! I very much advise to not always think of wavefunctions first, but of general vectors.
@ACuriousMind oki then for sure it is clear that $L^2$ is linear, but i don't see that it is the norm of the angular momentum, because that should be the angular momentum of the angular momentum, shouldn't it ?
@DominicMichaelis The squared angular momentum is the operator $L_x^2 + L_y^2 + L_z^2$. For system with definite angular momentum it has the same eigenvalue for every vector, and writing that value as $l(l+1)$, $l$ is what we commonly call "the angular momentum (quantum number" of a quantum syste,
Don't try to think of angular momentum as an ordinary vector as in classical mechanics, that is an analogy that does more harm than good, imo
@ACuriousMind Ah there was my mistake, so it is $L_x(L_x) + L_y(L_y) + L_z(L_z)$
Yep, it's the sum of the compositions
Whenever you see a power on an operator, it means the n-fold composition with itself. (That's also why you won't see non-integer exponents on operators)
20:31
I think that should be pointed out in a good lecture note ...
Yes, it should!
I think some more mathematical notation would help a lot there ^^
Well, the notation with the square is mathematical - you'll see it in (linear) algebra also to denote the n-fold composition of a map with itself
yes i mean that most physics denote $\langle v,v\rangle= \|v\|^2= v^2$
But since it is overloaded with the "pointwise power" from analysis, it should be stressed this is the algebraic notion
Well, if you constantly write such norms, you get tired of writing the $\lvert\lvert\dot{}\rvert\vert$ ;)
20:39
yeah for sure but i don't see what is the point of writing $\langle x | A | x\rangle$ instead of $\langle Ax,x\rangle$
Yeah, Dirac notation is a minefield
Once you get used to it, it's not that bad, but I don't particularly like it, either.
The worst thing is that for non-Hermitian operators you can't decide whether they act to the left or the right
I don't like the calculations in the notes, he does the easy stuff very very explicit (like simplifying expressions and stuff like that) but every interesting point like changing limits etc or some approximations and why they are allowed
there are non-Hermitian operators in phyiscs?
@DominicMichaelis ladder operators, for example
@DominicMichaelis I believe we talked about that already - intro QM sweeps a lot under the rug
The rug is very pretty though
@0celo7 But it has these weird bulges because there's so much stuff under it - you can't walk straight on it!
20:49
@ACuriousMind wear better shoes
Get some Js.
I have no idea what a J is
@ACuriousMind I gonna sleep now, you helped me a lot, thanks again.
Lol Germans
@DominicMichaelis np :)
20:52
@skullpatrol knows what's up
I don't own anything that is not Nike or Under Armor
Gotta love UA sales at the marine bases
The few the proud...
@ACuriousMind what shoes do you wear
...comfy ones?
Brand
They're not from any well-known brand, I think
20:55
Do you even look fly
Wow
You do not look fly
Pop quiz: where was the first engineering school located in the US? (No googling please)
I thought I was pretty fly for a white guy ;(
@skullpatrol University of Phoenix
University of Heidelberg
20:59
US?
There's a University of Heidelberg in the US, too
^^
Harvard
William&Mary
21:00
UVA
UTK
George Washington
Think military
VMI
Citadel
Westpoint
Academy
To whic
you still need a letter from a senator to get in
21:03
Citadel
West Point.
Oh
Why does this matter?
No idea
@ACuriousMind are you willing to read a section in Steven's book to help me?
In priniciple yes, but not now
21:06
I was wondering if I could get some quick help on a conceptual issue I have with motional EMF? The equation has a minus sign for a conductor moving in a uniform magnetic field: EMF = -Blv where l is the length of the conductor and v is the velocity. Given a magnetic field into the page, and a conductor moving to the right, I would expect positive charges to collect at the top and negative charges to collect at the bottom, making the nodal voltage at the top more positive compared to the bottom.
However, EMF = -Blv implies that the top is more negative?
I drew it out because words suck at relaying images.
@ACuriousMind ok I'm doing one of those things where you wave your hands and say oscillators kill the integral
I'm not confident in that
 
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@TanMath It works so long as the environment is memory-less.
Correlated noise is much more complicated.
@HDE226868: Protest all you want, you're a member of supervillain.SE
22:29
arrived
Welcome.
@DanielSank ah.. thanks.. BTW, what is your specialty? and do you have mr. mohseni's email?
23:22
@TanMath My specialty is uh... I guess... working in the lab. I dunno I do a lot of things: electronics, programming, circuit design, fabrication, chip layout, physics of qubits (i.e. simple quantum mechanics problems), signal processing, and a lot of going between theorist language and practical lab language.
I do have Massoud's email but I don't think I should give it out if it's not public. I'm happy to forward a message to him. You can find my email via my profile page.
Not having a specialty is also a specialty because it means you can talk speak more than one language ;)
@DanielSank sure.. thanks!
@ACuriousMind if I integrate a reasonably smooth function against an exponential e^itx as t goes to infinity, can I assume the integral vanishes?
@0celo7 I don't know what "integrate as t goes to infinity" means. What are you integrating over, and is the limit taken outside or inside the integral?
Integrating over x, outside
At this level of rigor, limits can be interchanged at will
23:31
So you're asking me if the Fourier transform of a function will tend towards zero at infinity?
Maybe, is that a stupid question?
If reasonably smooth means that the function has some notion of "width" and goes itself to zero at infinity, then I'd say yes, the integral will also go to zero.
@0celo7 No, I just wanted to rephrase your question in nicer terms. Integrating something multiplied with e^itx is just Fourier transforming, no?
But yes, it is true. E.g. the Fourier transform of a Schwartz function is a Schwartz function.
There's also the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma stating that the transform of L^1 functions vanishes at infinty, which is even stronger.
I think the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma is the best rigorous formulation of the "fast oscillations cancel" that physicists like to use.
@0celo7: Are you on mobile? I thought you arrived?
@ACuriousMind I tried to get in a day early but they told me to fuck off
Heading to dinner now
Then back the hotel where I'll get out my laptop
lolwut...you arrived too early for college? I guess you just can't await it, eh?
The drive takes all day
Move in day is officially tomorrow for my floor
obe
obe
23:40
gl.
Thank you
@ACuriousMind thanks, that lemma works for my purposes
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